Re: [josm-dev] Please don't delete http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/HaitiLessonsLearned
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010, Karl Guggisberg wrote: For some reasons I don't understand stoecker got upset because the page exists and threatens to delete it. I want to keep it. It's no big deal, I'm not upset. But there have been numerous cases like this in the past and people always refer to these pages when they are long-time outdated (and they get outdated very fast). Thus my comment to make the issues trac tickets instead of a project-related issue collection. These issues have nothing to do with Haiti at all, so the project-relating is useless. these are my personal notes, don't read it if you don't like it, just ignore it if you don't like the concept of a wiki and/or the content. I don't mind. If these are personal notes, then why use an common wiki page instead of a personal file on your harddisk? Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available) ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Please don't delete http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/HaitiLessonsLearned
Hi, you're free to create trac tickets as you wish and you already did. This page is by no means a replacement of trac ticketing system and I ask you again not to delete it. If these are personal notes, then why use an common wiki page instead of a personal file on your harddisk? Because I did so. I don't have to justify. Regards Karl Am 28.01.2010 09:27, schrieb Dirk Stöcker: On Wed, 27 Jan 2010, Karl Guggisberg wrote: For some reasons I don't understand stoecker got upset because the page exists and threatens to delete it. I want to keep it. It's no big deal, I'm not upset. But there have been numerous cases like this in the past and people always refer to these pages when they are long-time outdated (and they get outdated very fast). Thus my comment to make the issues trac tickets instead of a project-related issue collection. These issues have nothing to do with Haiti at all, so the project-relating is useless. these are my personal notes, don't read it if you don't like it, just ignore it if you don't like the concept of a wiki and/or the content. I don't mind. If these are personal notes, then why use an common wiki page instead of a personal file on your harddisk? Ciao ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Please don't delete http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/HaitiLessonsLearned
Hi, On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 09:49:10AM +0100, Karl Guggisberg wrote: Hi, you're free to create trac tickets as you wish and you already did. This page is by no means a replacement of trac ticketing system and I ask you again not to delete it. If these are personal notes, then why use an common wiki page instead of a personal file on your harddisk? Because I did so. I don't have to justify. Sorry for jumping in, but I have a suggestion for you. I understand Dirk's points, but I do see some merit in the notes too. I can think of three places for the notes that could be more suitable or appropriate: http://www.openstreetmap.org/diary http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:* http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti Karl, could you consider moving the notes to one or more of these places? Best regards, Marko ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Please don't delete http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/HaitiLessonsLearned
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Marko Mäkelä wrote: you're free to create trac tickets as you wish and you already did. This This was meant as a how to do. I don't intend to continue this. page is by no means a replacement of trac ticketing system and I ask you again not to delete it. You know the rationale behind my comment and the comment remains valid even if you removed it again. I will not delete the page now (which I never considered), but it will not stay there longer than approx. 2 months. Because I did so. I don't have to justify. No, but if WIKI pages don't match the concept, than you also need to live with the consequences. Sorry for jumping in, but I have a suggestion for you. I understand Dirk's points, but I do see some merit in the notes too. I can think of three places for the notes that could be more suitable or appropriate: http://www.openstreetmap.org/diary http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:* http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti All three alternatives seem to be fine. I personally think the second is best. I'm not the WIKI admin of wiki.openstreetmap.org, so I do not care what is stored there (even if sometimes I'm forced to cleanup there as well due to to many people refering to outdated stuff). But I remember the openstreetmap wiki was in bad need for administrators some time ago which essentially had an eye on the stuff. For JOSM I fullfill this task and even if there aren't a lot rules, a few are. I immediatelly delete SPAM. Everything else gets a note what will happen and how to fix it. And yes, regarding administration sometimes I'm a dictator. I'm in OpenSource business for about 20 years (more than half of my life) and got some experience. This means the few rules I adhere to are usually well funded (and if not can be changed by facts easily). There are many things in JOSM development I do not like, but need to accept as people (developers and users) have different opinions. On the other hand you and others also need to accept when I do not accept some things (even if you don't fully understand the reasons). So please either create Trac tickets or move the page to a place which I don't care about. Probably best is to do both. Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available)___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Please don't delete http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/HaitiLessonsLearned
Hi, I will not delete the page now (which I never considered), but it will not stay there longer than approx. 2 months. I'll continue to work actively with this page and I let you know when it is not needed anymore or I'll delete it myself, if I feel necessary (remember, for whatever reason I was granted wiki admin rights too). Until then feel free to contribute in any reasonable way in the tradition of working with wikis. Creating tickets and adding the ticket ids was a welcome added value. Thanks Karl ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
[josm-dev] Please don't delete http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/HaitiLessonsLearned
Hi, I'm currently contributing to the mapping activities in Haiti. As a sideeffect I learn a lot about JOSM, how it used by other and how it could better support relief efforts in crisis situations. I take some notes at http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/HaitiLessonsLearned. For some reasons I don't understand stoecker got upset because the page exists and threatens to delete it. I want to keep it. It's no big deal, these are my personal notes, don't read it if you don't like it, just ignore it if you don't like the concept of a wiki and/or the content. I don't mind. This is just to announce, that I'll continue to work with this page in the near future and I ask everybody not to delete this page. Thanks. Regards Karl ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
