Re: [JOYnet] On my marriage preparations !!!
Hi All! Giju, do have the archive of the old PL discussion we had on JOYNet, If so please try to post it here. (Or if anyone is having it, please send it to me or Giju) I think it answers many question. (along with many unanswered questions!!) GIJU>1. If non abortive contraceptive methods are called as artificial and they GIJU>are forbidden, then is NFP too not artificial? For a couple, the conjugal GIJU>act is for sharing their love and if they abstain from it during the fertile GIJU>period with an intention of not having any offspring, why not it becomes GIJU>artificial? GIJU>2. Is it not the intention of doing something makes it sinful or not ? If at GIJU>all it becomes sinful, why based on the method whether it is artificial or GIJU>natural? Does it not become sinful when the couple decide not to have any GIJU>children, no matter they use NFP or any artificial (non abortive) method? GIJU>(I agree abortive methods are sinful as it's murderous by nature) I think the important point is the intention for using NFP. If you use NFP for 'contraception' for the same reasons you are using the so-called 'artifical contraceptives', you are having 'contraceptive mentality' and its against the teaching of the church!! Am I right?! Living by the 'rules' doesn't mean you are doing the right thing - but its should be by 'rule' and 'fact' People (experienced) say that NFP is 100% succesful. It is 100% succesful under two conditions 1. The fertile period is identified with 100% accuracy. 2. You completely (100%) abstain from sex during the fertile period. Gynecs generally say that NFP is not 100% safe because you might find it difficult to satisfy the above conditions (due to many reasons) - Especially the condition 1 for new married couple. It generally takes a few months for a woman to properly learn to chart her fertile period. If you get a training from a NFP trainer it would be very good (JY Prolife Ministry,- why cant you think about this?) What about using an "artificial" Fertility Monitor for this? Somebody please comment. I don't think that it will difficult to satisfy condition no.2 in a good christian marriage! :) And my opinion is that you don't need to practice 100% safe NFP in a good chrisitan family life! We are only "Co-Creators" along with God and no "Creators" or "Controllers"!! Manoj Jons Cochin/India This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Top Urgent
Dear friends, can you get me Manoj Sunny's mail id immediately, my mistake i deleted the mail id. Love, Mahesh PEter Kuwait _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] On my marriage preparations !!!
Hi Guys et gals !!! I guess I should not be silent just because I am tied up with the prep for getting married !!! Yup I am enjoying the last week of my cheerful bachelorhood and when the clock strikes 1 on the next Sunday afternoon I would be a married man with my lady standing at my side !!! It's been quite an experience to prepare for a marriage. Believe me, it's a huge project by itself, probably much different from the kind of other projects I do at my work. In software development you always have a deadline that you can always break and never meet !!! But when it comes to marriage you have a drop-deadline which cannot be relaxed even by a few hours !! So far things are going okay as per the check list that I have and I dunno if I have missed out something in the checklist itself. But those are the little worries I guess. I experience that the best preparation for marriage is a good quality prayer time that I can find daily. I find that it's the best way to plan my prep for the marriage. I feel that I am doing justice to my prep only when I sit down and pray. Whenever I miss the prayers, whatever I do, I feel it's incomplete and not to mention the confusion and frustrations that arise. I am sure if I can make a good confession and a holy communion, my face would get a better glow than by going to a beautician !! In the wake of the discussions on the Prolife and Family Planning discussions, it would be apt if I share my own experience (don't mistake me, I have only theories with me, not any practical experience !!!) of attending the marriage preparation course. I am sure along with me, Rose, my fiancée is also very much confused about this topic. For us it was pretty amusing to note the difference in the views of the two resource persons who handled the sessions on Family Planning during the course we attended. When a priest took the session he was talking on all good theories, urging the young looking-forward-to-get-married pairs to plan their family only through NFP. Any of the so called artificial methods for family planning is forbidden by the church. But when a married lady, a doctor that too a gynecologist, by profession, handled the session she suggested to stay away from those artificial methods that are of abortive nature (e.g.. Copper T method) as such methods do the killing of life. She said we have a moral responsibility of not crowding the planet with too many offspring; so Family Planning is an act of social responsibility. And any method is fine as long as it does not take away a life. Now I have a couple of questions. 1. If non abortive contraceptive methods are called as artificial and they are forbidden, then is NFP too not artificial? For a couple, the conjugal act is for sharing their love and if they abstain from it during the fertile period with an intention of not having any offspring, why not it becomes artificial? 2. Is it not the intention of doing something makes it sinful or not ? If at all it becomes sinful, why based on the method whether it is artificial or natural? Does it not become sinful when the couple decide not to have any children, no matter they use NFP or any artificial (non abortive) method? (I agree abortive methods are sinful as it's murderous by nature) Please do write to me. I wish to take lessons from the experienced hands !!! And dear pals, do not forget to pray for me and Rose. Hey, I wish to see you guys at the wedding banquet !! With Love and Prayers Giju Ps: Thanks a million to Suresh for give a spark to the JOYnet. I can see that it's buring now, with a lot of love and joy through mails !!! This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] Catholic Version of the HOLY BIBLE
Hi Jose and Joynetters, Please see the Site mentioned below http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/index.htm Also see the above mentioned site of Cathecism of the catholic church. teachings on various topics etc... love and prayers Ravi Mumbai --- jose joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi > > Praise the Lord > > I would like to down load a catholic version of HOLY > BIBLE to my hard disc. I would be grateful if > someone could please give me the web site from where > I can find the HOLY BILBLE. > > Thanks and Regards > > Jose > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals. > > > This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth > mailing list. > To unsubscribe, send a mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To subscribe to this mailing list, visit > http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet > For automatic help, send a mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In case of any issue related to the mailing list > contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] can anybody share their views on masturbation and oral sex as per the Catholic church
Hi Monisha and Joynetters, Any Form of Sexual Perversion be it Homosexuality or Masturbation or other such Acts are Banned by the Catholic Church and are a grave sin. The Sexual Act in any form or for any reason Other than pro-creation is Contrary to the original plan of God.It reduces a Holy and Pure Action to a Joke and a Bad one at that... Please refer to Bensi Chackos mail to joynet on the important topic of Contraception and also I will say something more later.. Love and Prayers Ravi Mumbai --- Monisha Rebello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! > > I need some info on the above topics to share it > with one of my friend. > > Monisha > > Bombay > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals. > > > This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth > mailing list. > To unsubscribe, send a mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To subscribe to this mailing list, visit > http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet > For automatic help, send a mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In case of any issue related to the mailing list > contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] My comments on Rose's reply to the Contraception query...
Hi Joynetters, Natural Family Planning is the recommended method of the Church becoz,it does not interfere with the natural bio-rythm that God has blessed Human Beings with... It is Contraception I Agree , but not of the Body and in the Body, rather in the Mind.. Where we as Rational Human Beings exercise the Gift of The Holy Spirit called Self-Control... Also if we notice, even the unrational animals also follow this Bio -Rythm As Christians we are called to be free from the slavery to our Passions... It is Difficult But not Impossible,by the Grace and Strength of the God who is the Third Partner and the Uniting Force in any marriage... This method is totally free of all artificial and external agents.. The "artificial Contraceptives " are external devices, chemicals etc which are used .. Regarding the Harmlessness of this method... I am Sorry to say that artificial methods of Contra ception are the most unsafe ones... Things like IUD (Copper T) actually is a copper metal wire which fits into the Fallopian tubes and prevents formation of the eggs in the womb..Many Cases this Device has caused tearing of the Womb,biological reactions and in many cases a woman is left permanently childless after that.. Also other Chemicals used as Contra ceptives prove ineffective in preventing pregnancy and the Baby mostly ends up born deformed or with other congenital diseases.. and is in most cases aborted which we know is Murder. these same chemicals cause side effects and in many cases totally prevents pregnancy...for life.. Condoms and other preventive devices are never safe and can never assure u of 100% reliablity and also we as human beings are The NFP on the Other hand will never have these associated sideeffects and reactions... Also a couple will gain enormous amount of mutual love and respect for each other and self control. Then a Marriage will be an actual union of Two into one Body. where the Common Good will be preferred over individual wants and needs. The sexual Act itself is one of Self giving and is meant only for pro-creation as planned by God. He could have Just Created man and planted him on this earth.. But He Chose us to be his "Co-creators" and has given us this great privilege ... when we prevent the motive from being realised we are taunting God and setting ourselves against God and his loving plan for us.. That I Think none of us would like to do in our wildest dreams.. Then we are reducing Something Sacred and Pure to something ritualistic and base and may I call it a Form of Entertainment... Are we trying to make a Joke out of God... Let us Think about it Also Please keep in your minds the beautiful thoughts expressed by Bensi Chacko on this topic Please mail to the Joynet with any further queries you may have.. Do not be Shy about it...Since it is a very Critical issue which concerns our life and the life of the future generation. Love and Prayers Ravi Mumbai, India --- rose antony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I do agree that lord has told us to reproduce & > multiply. But when he ordered that, adam & eve were > the only human beings on earth. But I do wonder if > that is practical in the current world situation > where resources are minimal and there is an over > explosion of population. It's really nice to talk > about NFP in this modern world but isn't that too a > kind of contraception where a man & a woman refrain > from sex during fertility period? isn't it the same > as any other harmless artificial contraception? In > both the cases, I find that the reason is the same - > "preventing conception". As far as I've heard > from doctors, NFP is not safe. > Can > someone elaborate on this? > Bensi Chacko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear > Friends, > > The devil is a smooth operator. His favorite devices > are sex > education, contraception and mass media. Sex > education is not dangerous > provided it follows the guidelines set by the Church > on modesty and purity. > Oftentimes the sex education is used by Satan to > excite a youth to lust. > Most of the schools in the United States and Europe > now have incorporated > sex education in their curriculum. Schools teach > artificial birth control > methods as prevention against contracting HIV- > related diseases. In a > community college in California, this was even made > a requirement for > admittance. All freshmen students were treated to a > "live demonstration" to > how HIV is transmitted to both the opposite and the > same sexes. " We are > only interested in your own health", the teacher > said. "We promote safe sex > here in this college" > > What the youth do not realize is that to play with > sex for > experimentation before marriage is fornication; with > other partners during > marriage is adultery. Fornication and adultery are > both mortal sins, which > will bring us to hell. > > Sex education encourages mastur
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Well, Hi, Here am I with a very stupid question. what is this desert experience you all talk about? Yours in Christ for ever, Roshan Mathew VergheseGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Kindly lift following request in your prayer
hello joynet warrior's, Praise the Lord These are the following prayer request that we received last week. Kindly includes them in your prayer. As it's said that when we pray for other's. we pray for ourself. 1) Mr. Bejoy had requested to pray for students of his college as they were having a one and half day spiritual program on 17th and 18th November. 2) Kusumam Pavanal has requested to pray for her sister-in-law, Sanitha. 3) Mr. Shiju Cherian has requested to pray for his dad, who is not keeping well and is having low B.P. 4) This requested by Mr. Ajith Lukose has requested to pray for his dear Nina, as she is unable to take decision of her vocation. 5) Mr. Robin Varghese has forwarded a noble request. He wants to join seminary. 6) George Thomas has requested to pray for his semester exams, which is going to begin from 5th till 14 th dec. 7) Sunitha is having a desert feeling in her life. Kindly pray for her spiritual upliftment. 8) Jaina. Jacob has requested to pray for her spiritual upliftment. 9) Miss. Reena Paul is going to appear for her 3rd semester exam of M.S.W (Master of Social Work). 10) Mr. Thomas has requested to pray for success in his exams. 11) Miss. Beth has requested to pray for her parents, as they are getting divorced after been married for 35-years. At this instance we also pray for all the family, who are getting separated because of lack in faith and trust in our lord Jesus. 12) Wilson is suffering for sinusitis for past one and half year. Kindly pray the healing touch from our master healer for all those who are suffering from sinusitis. 13) Mr. George P J is a student, appearing for +2 exams, and his exams are going to start from Feb15. Kindly pray for his success in exams. 14) This is a thanks-giving request from Lovely Thomas, for the blessing and grace of god that they have been getting. 15) Joseph has requested to pray for Sruthi (6-years) for her better sight. As we pray for Sruthi, we also pray for all other's who is having sight problem. 16) Shaji has requested to pray for his friend Francis, regarding his marriage and job. 17) Shaji has requested to pray Priya as her marriage proposals are going on. With lots of love and prayer Ajish Bhopal ( Madhya Pradesh ) India This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Birthday Notification !!!
Hi Friends These are the birthday babies of the day (November 19). stine augustine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wishing you a very happy birthday God Bless With Love The JOYnet Family This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Mr. Thomas & Miss Thomas
God is with you. Hi Joyneters, realy exciting mail from Thomas. On the way we met a wonderfull brother & a wonderfull sister ( don't make you face like 'air pillow', I know you all are my brothers & sisters:)). When?? my sister will come and join to Joynet? SMITHAAA.. where are you? If there are more bro & sis... please introduce yourself. It is quite intresting. with lots of lov & prayers smiju joseph, abu dhabi Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Thanks for to helping me to find the sword
"Where is my sword?" I shouted in the dark. "Where is my sheild?" I saw the glowing eye of my enemy. "Where is my cross?" I am now so proud to cary it. without my sword, without my sheild, whithout my cross, I will never be a true christian.!! Thankyou all very much for the prayer support. with lots of lov & prayers smiju joseph, abu dhabi Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi and Hello to all JOYnetters! I am surprised that I've actually begun to write in JOYnet ...after so many failures. I would start writing and then stop after a few sentences, very bored and dry. It's been like that for sooo many weeks now. I guess I'm writing now because I badly want to be part of this fellowship once again. Because when the going gets tough, the tough gets going .. with JOYnet :-))True, very true. It is certainly more lively in here ...thanks to Suresh :-) (BTW, he is active behind the scenes too- 'pulling legs' (wasn't that it?) poking everybody to write). Now...the eternal problem... what to write... I wanted to write about our new Bible School - 'Thejas', the precious fruit of years of prayer. I don't believe you remember a small notice in JOYnet from the JY BIBLE MINISTRY? Well, it was nothing much...a mobilization for a well-planned and well-thought out pgm. A Jesus Youth Bible study programme. I guess the first of its kind in Kerala. It is a one year course for people like you and me ... I guess most of us are beginners, no? The Bible study actually began months back with a small group of people gathering together to pray and share the Word of God. They continued to study characters from the Bible and Psalms etc. The meeting was held every week at Berly Earnest's (ex-JY All Kerala Co-ordinator and JOYneter) place. They were joined by a priest, Fr. Cherian Nereveetil ( an ex-full-timer and a very creative person . He wrote a beautiful prayer for the school, mixing up all the symbols of the Word...I wish I could translate that it into English... I'll try) Of course, they were joined by Angel, Berly and Annie's one-year old :-)) Meanwhile, preparations were going on for the School. Brochures, mobilization, literature, intercession,, Now, after such mega preparation the programme started the second weekend of November with 35 participants. Registration has been closed. It was less than the number expected...but ideal for the growth of the group. They'll be seeing each other for the next 12 months... really and truly sharing the Word (Jesus ) through their enthusiasm to learn, talents, and patience to listen as Jesus( Word) speaks to their hearts. You want to hear what they experienced during the weekend? :-) I thought... and the group agrees... that writing in the JOYnet about the individual sessions will be really good. What do ye think, guys? I guess I've stopped short of making you fall asleep...He! He! At least, I'm half-asleep:-)). Hmmm... One more thing... I was surprised and touched by the great number of mails I got on my Birthday. I've been silent for so long and yet none of my unseen friends have forgotten me. Thank you all for your sweet gesture of love. Praise my darling Jesus! Love in Jesus, Cuckoo Cochin This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] anti-abortion update.
Dear Joynetters, And today we have been to meet Mr. M.A. Baby, CPM Polit Bureu member and we took that opportunity to discuss with him about pro-life. We had a discussion for ½ an hour and we couldnt finish the discussion, so he had asked us to come and meet him on Wednesday the 21st of this month at 2 pm. We had met our Chief Ministers wife Mrs. Elizabeth and we had discussed on this same subject, pro-life for 1 ½ hr. and she promised us she will keep in prayers and help us as much she can. So kindly pray for the whole project and especially for Wednesdays meeting. Love & Prayers Alexy Pallan, Shiney Alexy & Sunny Kattookaran Kochi India _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] The new one
Hallo everyone, My exams are over.Thank you to all the people who prayed for me and especially to the people who personally mailed me and told me they were praying for me.Those mails made me feel supported and I guess thats what JOYNET is all about. Now I will contribute /share more but there is only one problem Now i cant share as freely as before because someone who knows me very well is now part of JOYNET. I am sure i am the only one in JOYNET who does not welcome her. Everyone must be thinking who is this person. MY SISTER! She has been telling me for long time now to get her part of the mailing list but because of my eternal procrastination and forgetfulness i was not able to,now she's joined herself and has made it a point not to mention she's MY sister. So Rosemary Thomas from Goa is my sister. So there ,now that i've told the world your r my sister i am happy. I grudgingly wellcome you! Love to all in Jesus Milan Changanasserry/Kerala/India Rosemary Thomas wrote: > Hello everybody, > I got some mail asking where I am from. I'm basically from Changanaserry. I did my >B.Sc in B'lore and I'm now in Goa because this is the place I got thru' in after >writing the test. And yes! It is a cool place to be! > I was part of the National Campus Meet in B'lore when I was there and know alot of >the JY there. That's very basically about me now. > Bye, Rosemary. > > > This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. > To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To subscribe to this mailing list, visit > http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet > For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
