[JOYnet] Cloning for Eternal Life

2003-02-18 Thread Georly Sebastian
Dear Friends,

This one is bit lengthy, but I'm sure, will help many those who are interested
in dealing with current affairs and faith.

The Lust to Clone

Surely, everyone remembers Dolly, the cloned sheep-which is no more, created
by the Rosslyn Institute a few years ago. After the initial wave of excitement
and spirited debate about the ethics of the procedure, people went back to
business as usual.

However, in the years since, aggressive and sometimes rancorous competition
has characterized the work of genetics labs around the world. They are all
running for the prize of having their cloning techniques patented first.

Meanwhile, the procedure has proven risky; clones have frequently been born
unviable. Others have seemed healthy, but soon died of unidentifiable causes.
Several leaders in the genetic research movement have said that human life
should never be risked in this way.

Yet Clonaid, the laboratory sponsored by the Raelians, has for years, been on
a vigorous campaign. Its motto: Oui au Clonage Humain ... Yes To Human
Cloning.

It must not be forgotten that Claude Vorilhon claims to be the son of one of
the Elohim, cloned by them and raised by a human mother.

A private history tells us that his father was a Jewish refugee, and his
mother was a French, Roman Catholic. Yet, his life is dedicated to the
dissemination of a single idea. Namely, that astronauts from other planets
created humanity. His Raelian religion claims to bring the secret of eternal
life to humankind.

Claude's Amazing Adventures

Claude Vorilhon, the founder and leader of the Raelians, is a dashing figure
with a history as a French racecar driver, sports writer and European playboy.
His is the movie-star tale of a handsome young man who met an astronaut, and
obtained secret information. The star-traveler told Claude that from that
moment on, he would be commissioned to carry their torch. He must go forward
with the key to eternal life through cloning!

He first told his story in a 1975 book, entitled Space Aliens Took Me To Their
Planet. Claude's experience happened on December 13, 1973, as he drove his
sports car into the French volcanic mountains above Clermont-Ferrand. There,
he encountered a bell-shaped UFO, which descended and hovered above the ground
near the location where he had parked. A staircase descended from the bottom
of the craft, and a tiny man with black hair and a beard walked out to meet
Claude.

The little man invited Claude to enter his machine. There, they sat down in
two chairs and had a long discussion about why he had been chosen. Then, he
ushered Claude outside and departed, promising to return the next day at the
same time.

The following day, Claude brought pen, paper and (as instructed) a Bible to
the meeting place. The little man explained to him that, In the beginning,
Elohim created the heaven and the earth.

The little man informed his protigi that he was one of the Elohim. Their name
being plural, his was singular: Eloha. In rapid-fire fashion, he educated
young Claude on the truth of the Bible, of which he said, it spoke of
neither God, nor soul. So much for the truth.

The Elohim, he said, were simply scientists. The little man told Claude that
the Elohim used satellites and huge explosions to shape the early Earth. Then
they created animals and people.

They operated in teams and were highly competitive. The humans they fashioned
were cellular creations - nothing else. He said, ... the more skillful among
us wanted to artificially create a man like ourselves. Each team went to work
and soon, we were able to compare our creations. But the people on our planet
were horrified to learn that we were producing 'test tube' babies, whom they
were afraid might one day come to their own planet and cause a panic.

Nevertheless, they went ahead with their work, creating Adam and Eve. The
little man spoke of arguments between the creation teams about how to educate
the new humans. The serpent team wanted to make them as knowledgeable as
their creators. But the Elohim put these serpents in their place, nurturing
the innocent couple and in the process, bringing condemnation to the serpent.

The little man told Claude that the new humans were sent away from their plush
garden and kept from returning by ... several soldiers carrying atomic
disintegrating weapons. In this way, they were kept from gaining access to
valuable scientific information.

For humans, there was no immortality, unless the Elohim rekindled their
cellular life. So the men before the Flood of Noah utilized every trick to
gain the forbidden knowledge that would make them the immortal equals of their
creators. To keep this from happening, the Elohim brought the Great Flood.

For the same reason, they later confused the tongues of the people at Babel,
and destroyed the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. They tested Abraham, gave
Moses his knowledge and created the prophets.

As the little man explained the Bible, in terms of creation by 

[JOYnet] Cloning

2001-12-02 Thread Abraham Rajan Thengil ( Lijo )

Hi

There is one other thing. Cloning is not just creating an offspring or another
person from someone. Currently, making an exact copy of a human being is
impossible, but many plan to accomplish this, and they claim that they could
do it within 10 years. It is this, what the religious and political leaders
are afraid of, and many scientists too protest against this. The goat cloned
(Dolly) was an exact copy. That made them confident to do the same with man,
or try to do. They are very confident that they could achieve this goal within
10 years, so let us hope that they would get to their senses as we all know
the dangers of making clones.
This is not my idea. I got this information from the newspaers and comments by
experts. Maybe it is wrong, but I am not sure. Either way, it is a nightmare
come true.

God bless all

Lijo


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[JOYnet] cloning

2001-12-02 Thread biju_francis

dear all,

   What anu stanley says is true, but what about using these cells they 
can create limbs,heart or other parts which can be useful for the donor 
from whom the cells are taken.
  whether such things should also be banned?

expecting your views
Biju francis


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Re: [JOYnet] cloning

2001-12-02 Thread sheril daniel

Embryo cloning is a process similar to what happens in
the body when twins or triplets are formed from the
original cell.  It duplicates the process that nature
uses to produce twins or triplets. One or more cells
are removed from a fertilized embryo and encouraged to
develop into one or more duplicate embryos.  So just
as we know twins or triplets have souls, so cloned
embryos would have souls.

When cloning an embryo for organs, what happens is,
DNA from an embryo is removed and replaced with the
DNA from an adult animal. Then, the embryo is
implanted in a womb and allowed to develop for about
14 days.  After this, cells are removed from the
embryo with the intent of producing a tissue or organ
for transplant back into the person whose DNA was
taken.  this technique is considered advantageous
because tthere will be no limit to the supply of
organs for transplant.  one wouuld'nt have to be on
any waiting list for compatible organ donors and since
the organ has the person's original dna, there will be
no need to take immunosupressants.  however, the
embryo dies during the process of taking those cells
needed to produce the organs.  

Every human being has dignity and purpose before the
Lord.  I don't think that we would be acknowledging
that if we agree to cloning an embryo, take out the
organ one needs and then kill it.  It is simply a case
of killing one being for the survival of another.  








--- biju_francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 dear all,
 
What anu stanley says is true, but what about
 using these cells they 
 can create limbs,heart or other parts which can be
 useful for the donor 
 from whom the cells are taken.
   whether such things should also be banned?
 
 expecting your views
 Biju francis
 


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