Re: [JOYnet] Sex before marriage is permissable? is it Sin?
Hello Friends, Congrats to all of you who put in your comments about this discussion topic. I think we had a very fruitful discussion on this topic. We got different mails from people clearly explaining why it is a sin and what the church and Bible teaches on this topic. Congrats to all of you for your participation. Now... I think it is time to close the discussion on this topic. thanks, Mathew Joseph Bombay, India. === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
Re: [JOYnet] Sex before marriage is permissable? is it Sin?
on > (Karna) from the Sun before > her marriage to Pandu. This is what is mentioned in > ur Friend's religion. Does > it mean that Premarital Sex is permissable in their > religion. Looking at an > average hindu view to such a topic is enough to > gauge his response. > > > Smooth seas don't make skillful sailors > - Original Message - > From: philipose joseph > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:27 PM > Subject: [JOYnet] Sex before marriage is > permissable? is it Sin? > > > Hi, > > One of my Hindu friends asked, Sex before marriage > is > permissable? is it Sin? if they decided to get > marry > later. "He quote as per bible it is permissable" I > surprised. > > I said as per the church and christian values it > is > not permissable and it is sin. Sex is only > permitted > in the sacrament of marriage. > > Please put you comments on joynet so that everyone > can > read. > > bye > > PJ > > > > > > === > > This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth > mailing list. > For more info on the list visit > http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet > To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To subscribe to the list visit > http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join > In case of any issue related to the mailing list > contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > === > > > === > This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth > mailing list. > For more info on the list visit > http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet > To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To subscribe to the list visit > http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join > In case of any issue related to the mailing list > contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > === > > === > This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth > mailing list. > For more info on the list visit > http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet > To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To subscribe to the list visit > http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join > In case of any issue related to the mailing list > contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > === Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
Re: [JOYnet] Sex before marriage is permissable? is it Sin?
My Dear JYs and more especially PJ I think after the plethora of mails we received from Josun, Ravi, Abby, Sibi, Jennifer and many others we would all agree that yeah Sex before marriage is not permissiable and yeah it is a Sin. A rather one sided debate. I am sure that if any1 was to even contradict, this forum is the last place where he is gonna do that ;) But I want to ask one question to PJ who initially posted this question out here whether Sex before marriage is permissable. I want to know Permissable to whom???. To ur parents, society, pre-life partner, God or to urself. I am sure he must have meant God. For his next question is - is it a Sin ??. Tricky. For that i would like ask is can anything which is permissible by God be a Sin??? also if something is not permissible by God is it a Sin???. Wow I can actually feel the dilemma of PJ. Had PJ been only asked if sex before marraige is permissible i guess his obvious reply would have been no. But then his Hindu Friend said that the Bible say it is Permissible and so he was surprised. I guess he was stumped so well his next line of defence - "I said as per the church and christian values it is not permissable and it is sin". I remember this incident which was told me by my friend. He had this debate with his Hindu Friend once. I am sending it forth in his own words. "-I told him give me the instance which shows in my bible that Premarital Sex is permissible. He laughed at me. And opened the first pages of my bible. Adam and Eve. I laughed at him. I said show me where it is permissible. He again showed me Adam and Eve. I said again show me where it is written that it is permissible. Now he understood. He looked at me blankly." That is the difference guys. There is a vast difference between something being mentioned and between something being permissible. The very act of it being permissible by God constitutes the Sacrament of Marraige. Remember I said permissible BY God and not TO God. Or else we have those great elope kahanis. I wed u. U wed me. I put garland on u. U put garland on me and we are married :).. Tomorrow i preserve ur Garland for some1 else ;) As Ravi wisely mentioned in his mail. "Just because it is written in the bible doesnt mean it is acceptable." I guess the mails from Ravi and Jennifer have already thaught us what is Sin. speaking of Christmas Cake with relevance to this topic I would like to conclude with no one eats their OWN wedding cake either before their marraige. ;) PJ i hope this list is able to satisfy ur query. urs in faith Jason Mumbai, India. PJ u can ask ur hindu friend this. It seems Bharata from which the name "Bharat" our own India has derived its name from was born out of a premarital relationship between Shakuntala, a maiden, daughter of sage Kanva, and Dushyanta a King. These guys even go to the extent where in the Mahabharata, Kunti, the mother of the Pandavas, begets a son (Karna) from the Sun before her marriage to Pandu. This is what is mentioned in ur Friend's religion. Does it mean that Premarital Sex is permissable in their religion. Looking at an average hindu view to such a topic is enough to gauge his response. Smooth seas don't make skillful sailors - Original Message - From: philipose joseph To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:27 PM Subject: [JOYnet] Sex before marriage is permissable? is it Sin? Hi, One of my Hindu friends asked, Sex before marriage is permissable? is it Sin? if they decided to get marry later. "He quote as per bible it is permissable" I surprised. I said as per the church and christian values it is not permissable and it is sin. Sex is only permitted in the sacrament of marriage. Please put you comments on joynet so that everyone can read. bye PJ === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] === === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of an
Re: [JOYnet] Sex before marriage is permissable? is it Sin?
My Dear JYs and more especially PJ I think after the plethora of mails we received from Josun, Ravi, Abby, Sibi, Jennifer and many others we would all agree that yeah Sex before marriage is not permissiable and yeah it is a Sin. A rather one sided debate. I am sure that if any1 was to even contradict, this forum is the last place where he is gonna do that ;) But I want to ask one question to PJ who initially posted this question out here whether Sex before marriage is permissable. I want to know Permissable to whom???. To ur parents, society, pre-life partner, God or to urself. I am sure he must have meant God. For his next question is - is it a Sin ??. Tricky. For that i would like ask is can anything which is permissible by God be a Sin??? also if something is not permissible by God is it a Sin???. Wow I can actually feel the dilemma of PJ. Had PJ been only asked if sex before marraige is permissible i guess his obvious reply would have been no. But then his Hindu Friend said that the Bible say it is Permissible and so he was surprised. I guess he was stumped so well his next line of defence - "I said as per the church and christian values it is not permissable and it is sin". I remember this incident which was told me by my friend. He had this debate with his Hindu Friend once. I am sending it forth in his own words. "-I told him give me the instance which shows in my bible that Premarital Sex is permissible. He laughed at me. And opened the first pages of my bible. Adam and Eve. I laughed at him. I said show me where it is permissible. He again showed me Adam and Eve. I said again show me where it is written that it is permissible. Now he understood. He looked at me blankly." That is the difference guys. There is a vast difference between something being mentioned and between something being permissible. The very act of it being permissible by God constitutes the Sacrament of Marraige. Remember I said permissible BY God and not TO God. Or else we have those great elope kahanis. I wed u. U wed me. I put garland on u. U put garland on me and we are married :).. Tomorrow i preserve ur Garland for some1 else ;) As Ravi wisely mentioned in his mail. "Just because it is written in the bible doesnt mean it is acceptable." I guess the mails from Ravi and Jennifer have already thaught us what is Sin. speaking of Christmas Cake with relevance to this topic I would like to conclude with no one eats their OWN wedding cake either before their marraige. ;) PJ i hope this list is able to satisfy ur query. urs in faith Jason Mumbai, India. PJ u can ask ur hindu friend this. It seems Bharata from which the name "Bharat" our own India has derived its name from was born out of a premarital relationship between Shakuntala, a maiden, daughter of sage Kanva, and Dushyanta a King. These guys even go to the extent where in the Mahabharata, Kunti, the mother of the Pandavas, begets a son (Karna) from the Sun before her marriage to Pandu. This is what is mentioned in ur Friend's religion. Does it mean that Premarital Sex is permissable in their religion. Looking at an average hindu view to such a topic is enough to gauge his response. Smooth seas don't make skillful sailors - Original Message - From: philipose joseph To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:27 PM Subject: [JOYnet] Sex before marriage is permissable? is it Sin? Hi, One of my Hindu friends asked, Sex before marriage is permissable? is it Sin? if they decided to get marry later. "He quote as per bible it is permissable" I surprised. I said as per the church and christian values it is not permissable and it is sin. Sex is only permitted in the sacrament of marriage. Please put you comments on joynet so that everyone can read. bye PJ === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] === === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
Re: [JOYnet] Sex before marriage is permissable? is it Sin?
Hi Friends, This refers to the question raised by Philipose on pre-marital sex. I am sure Philipose and all of us know very well that premarital sex is one of the mortal sins which cuts us off from God. For more clarity I am copying para 2360 to 2363 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. 2360 Sexuality is ordered to the conjugal love of man and woman. In marriage the physical intimacy of the spouses becomes a sign and pledge of spiritual communion. Marriage bonds between baptized persons are sanctified by the sacrament. 2361 "Sexuality, by means of which man and woman give themselves to one another through the acts which are proper and exclusive to spouses, is not something simply biological, but concerns the innermost being of the human person as such. It is realized in a truly human way only if it is an integral part of the love by which a man and woman commit themselves totally to one another until death." Tobias got out of bed and said to Sarah, "Sister, get up, and let us pray and implore our Lord that he grant us mercy and safety." So she got up, and they began to pray and implore that they might be kept safe. Tobias began by saying, "Blessed are you, O God of our fathers. . . . You made Adam, and for him you made his wife Eve as a helper and support. From the two of them the race of mankind has sprung. You said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone; let us make a helper for him like himself.' I now am taking this kinswoman of mine, not because of lust, but with sincerity. Grant that she and I may find mercy and that we may grow old together." And they both said, "Amen, Amen." Then they went to sleep for the night. 2362 "The acts in marriage by which the intimate and chaste union of the spouses takes place are noble and honorable; the truly human performance of these acts fosters the self-giving they signify and enriches the spouses in joy and gratitude."145 Sexuality is a source of joy and pleasure: The Creator himself . . . established that in the [generative] function, spouses should experience pleasure and enjoyment of body and spirit. Therefore, the spouses do nothing evil in seeking this pleasure and enjoyment. They accept what the Creator has intended for them. At the same time, spouses should know how to keep themselves within the limits of just moderation. 2363 The spouses' union achieves the twofold end of marriage: the good of the spouses themselves and the transmission of life. These two meanings or values of marriage cannot be separated without altering the couple's spiritual life and compromising the goods of marriage and the future of the family. If one needs more clarity, please visit the link http://www.catholic.com/chastity/pure_love.asp Love, Sibi --- "God does not require us to be successful but he expects us to be faithful" (Mother Teresa) __ Sibi Joseph Ahmedabad, India Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get 25MB, POP3, Spam Filtering with LYCOS MAIL PLUS for $19.95/year. http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus&ref=lmtplus === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] Sex before marriage is permissable? is it Sin?
Hi, One of my Hindu friends asked, Sex before marriage is permissable? is it Sin? if they decided to get marry later. "He quote as per bible it is permissable" I surprised. I said as per the church and christian values it is not permissable and it is sin. Sex is only permitted in the sacrament of marriage. Please put you comments on joynet so that everyone can read. bye PJ === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
