[jquery-dev] Re: jQuery - Development Environments?

[David Zhou]

Emacs doesn't float everyone's boat -- and I'm a Vim user myself --
but the best javascript editing mode I've ever used or seen is
probably js2 mode in Emacs.  I think it ties with IntelliJ at the very
least.  YMMV.

-- dz



On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Mark Gibson  wrote:
>
> Hey this looks promising.
> What I'm really looking for is something that understands javascript
> (more than just highlighting). Something that can identify functions,
> object and prototype members etc, I know this is very difficult given
> the extremely dynamic nature of js, but I've yet to find any effort
> toward this. Anyone know differently?
>
> 2009/3/14 Klaus Hartl :
>>
>> What about Bespin ;)
>
> >
>

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[jquery-dev] Re: jQuery - Development Environments?

[ggerri]

ps. there's also a plugin/extension for Dreamweaver

http://xtnd.us/dreamweaver/jquery

but it refers to 1.2.1

Just wrote to XTND.US and asked if they're planning any update of the
plugin...



On Mar 23, 1:09 pm, ggerri  wrote:
> Found and love Notepad++ (http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm
> ). Simple, free, fast and customizable syntax highlighting and folding
> for lots of languages. Among the many usefull functions, I especially
> love the 'Brace and Indent guideline Highlighting' which already
> helped me a lot to identify bugs related to forgotten endtags or
> similiar...
>
> On Mar 13, 4:18 am, Daniel Friesen  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm wondering what kind of tricks and setups other people have when they
> > are developing with jQuery.
> > Be it writing some improvements to jQuery itself, or writing a plugin.
> > I'm not really looking for those using jQuery in an application, cause
> > that environment is normally just taking a few jQuery files and plugins
> > and including that into your existing development environment.
>
> > I'm trying to find out how people (plugin and core jQuery developers)
> > normally handle their development environment for working on jQuery or a
> > jQuery plugin.
>
> > Every time I work on another piece for jQuery, I end up creating a new
> > html file, which normally consists of either copying some junk from
> > another project and modifying it, or constructing a new one by grabbing
> > a doctype and a few tags off some references on the internet. I also end
> > up grabbing jQuery again to shove in and include.
> > As for actually testing stuff, I normally might just go off the
> > filesystem, however sometimes that doesn't quite work right, and I end
> > up needing to configure a local webserver (normally I just edit the
> > config for my local nginx).
> > Things get real ugly when working on patches to jQuery core itself.
> > Mostly because of needing to `make jquery` all the time. Sometimes I end
> > up sitting there for a few minutes trying to figure out "why the hell
> > didn't my edit fix this bug?" then realize I forgot to rebuilt jquery
> > before I refreshed the page to test it.
>
> > All in all, I don't really consider it a nice and clean, or even helpful
> > environment.
> > For that reason I've actually started experimenting with building a
> > Rails app to manage projects and streamline things like creating html
> > pages from templates, previewing a page and working on code live, as
> > well as nice integration for github forks of jQuery (fork/clone as in
> > gitspeak), jQuery svn, and different versions of jQuery.
>
> > --
> > ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire)- Hide quoted text -
>
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[jquery-dev] Re: jQuery - Development Environments?

[ggerri]

Found and love Notepad++ ( http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm
). Simple, free, fast and customizable syntax highlighting and folding
for lots of languages. Among the many usefull functions, I especially
love the 'Brace and Indent guideline Highlighting' which already
helped me a lot to identify bugs related to forgotten endtags or
similiar...

On Mar 13, 4:18 am, Daniel Friesen  wrote:
> I'm wondering what kind of tricks and setups other people have when they
> are developing with jQuery.
> Be it writing some improvements to jQuery itself, or writing a plugin.
> I'm not really looking for those using jQuery in an application, cause
> that environment is normally just taking a few jQuery files and plugins
> and including that into your existing development environment.
>
> I'm trying to find out how people (plugin and core jQuery developers)
> normally handle their development environment for working on jQuery or a
> jQuery plugin.
>
> Every time I work on another piece for jQuery, I end up creating a new
> html file, which normally consists of either copying some junk from
> another project and modifying it, or constructing a new one by grabbing
> a doctype and a few tags off some references on the internet. I also end
> up grabbing jQuery again to shove in and include.
> As for actually testing stuff, I normally might just go off the
> filesystem, however sometimes that doesn't quite work right, and I end
> up needing to configure a local webserver (normally I just edit the
> config for my local nginx).
> Things get real ugly when working on patches to jQuery core itself.
> Mostly because of needing to `make jquery` all the time. Sometimes I end
> up sitting there for a few minutes trying to figure out "why the hell
> didn't my edit fix this bug?" then realize I forgot to rebuilt jquery
> before I refreshed the page to test it.
>
> All in all, I don't really consider it a nice and clean, or even helpful
> environment.
> For that reason I've actually started experimenting with building a
> Rails app to manage projects and streamline things like creating html
> pages from templates, previewing a page and working on code live, as
> well as nice integration for github forks of jQuery (fork/clone as in
> gitspeak), jQuery svn, and different versions of jQuery.
>
> --
> ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire)

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[jquery-dev] Re: jQuery - Development Environments?

[Daniel Friesen]

If anyone is interested I just tried experimenting with a little
something.
I installed a ruby file system watcher: http://paulhorman.com/filesystemwatcher/
And setup this small little script:

#!/usr/bin/env ruby
require "filesystemwatcher"

watcher = FileSystemWatcher.new()
watcher.addDirectory("src", "*.js")
watcher.sleepTime = 5
watcher.start { |status,file|
puts "Building"
`make jquery`
}

watcher.join()

So I basically run it with `./livebuild.rb&` inside the jQuery
directory, whenever I make a modification the script automatically
rebuilds the jquery file.

Then again, that jDevCloud idea has much more promise since you can
use trunk, your own get clone, individual jquery versions, and even
edit in-project versions.

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[jquery-dev] Re: jQuery - Development Environments?

[Mark Gibson]

Hey this looks promising.
What I'm really looking for is something that understands javascript
(more than just highlighting). Something that can identify functions,
object and prototype members etc, I know this is very difficult given
the extremely dynamic nature of js, but I've yet to find any effort
toward this. Anyone know differently?

2009/3/14 Klaus Hartl :
>
> What about Bespin ;)

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[jquery-dev] Re: jQuery - Development Environments?

[Jörn Zaefferer]

Eclipse with Subversive for SVN and Aptana for web editors here.

Jörn

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 1:29 AM, Daniel Friesen
 wrote:
>
> Bespin is relatively new, and quite frankly there are a number of bugs
> that kind of need to be ironed out. It doesn't have enough flexibility
> yet to be integrated in a nice way to be able to work on a project in
> the way I'd like to.
> ;) that doesn't mean I counted it out though. jDevCloud (the ruby app
> I'm working on) is going to be using one or two different editors for
> syntax highlighting or whatnot while editing. What one you want to use
> can be picked by your own preference, and in the future I intend to have
> bespin as one of those options when it's setup so that you can integrate
> it's editor into other systems.
>
> ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://nadir-seen-fire.com]
> -Nadir-Point & Wiki-Tools (http://nadir-point.com) (http://wiki-tools.com)
> -MonkeyScript (http://monkeyscript.org)
> -Animepedia (http://anime.wikia.com)
> -Narutopedia (http://naruto.wikia.com)
> -Soul Eater Wiki (http://souleater.wikia.com)
>
>
>
> Klaus Hartl wrote:
>> What about Bespin ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 13 Mrz., 23:01, Daniel Friesen  wrote:
>>
>>> Ubuntu Linux as well. My system actually broke last Friday so I actually
>>> reformatted and I upgraded to Intrepid and started experimenting with
>>> the 64bit version.
>>>
>>> I've been using gedit to, though I haven't been using the snippets
>>> plugin, I honestly can't get used to snippets in any editor.
>>> I have tried a number of editors; Komodo Edit was nice, but is far to
>>> heavy and commonly slows down. jEdit does not integrate at all with
>>> Gnome so it's more trouble than worth since I use the built in GVFS
>>> (FUSE) and bookmarking fairly extensively. I could never even get any of
>>> the big IDEs (Eclipse, Aptana, NetBeans) to even run on my machine. I've
>>> tried Geany, Scribes, and Bluefish, and none of them seam to cut it.
>>>
>>> Another option for web stuff has actually been 
>>> heel:http://copiousfreetime.rubyforge.org/heel/
>>>
>>> ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://nadir-seen-fire.com]
>>> -Nadir-Point & Wiki-Tools (http://nadir-point.com) (http://wiki-tools.com)
>>> -MonkeyScript (http://monkeyscript.org)
>>> -Animepedia (http://anime.wikia.com)
>>> -Narutopedia (http://naruto.wikia.com)
>>> -Soul Eater Wiki (http://souleater.wikia.com)
>>>
>>> Mark Gibson wrote:
>>>
 Hi Daniel, you don't say what OS you use. This can make a big
 difference, especially if you're familiar with shell scripting. I use
 Ubuntu Linux, have a local apache service running which is configured
 out of the box for user dirs (ie.http://localhost/~mark- served from
 /home/mark/public_html). I have a common dir in there containing
 jQuery & UI - these are updated, built and copied there from the svn
 working-copies elsewhere in my filesystem by a short custom shell
 script. I use rsync to then sync all of this up to a public web-server
 hosted by my company.
 For editing I use the very understated GEdit which is part of Gnome
 desktop, and the snipets plugin - which insert all the boiler plate
 html/js I need - I did briefly try a couple of web-dev env's but just
 found them annoying.
 While on this, I'd be interested to know what editors (or even IDE's)
 people use for JS/jQuery work. I've not really found any that can
 handle a functional language such as JS all that well. Personally I
 can't stand bulky IDE's (such as Eclipse) that insist on managing
 projects for you and eat all your resources.

 2009/3/13 Daniel Friesen :

> I'm wondering what kind of tricks and setups other people have when they
> are developing with jQuery.
> Be it writing some improvements to jQuery itself, or writing a plugin.
> I'm not really looking for those using jQuery in an application, cause
> that environment is normally just taking a few jQuery files and plugins
> and including that into your existing development environment.
>
> I'm trying to find out how people (plugin and core jQuery developers)
> normally handle their development environment for working on jQuery or a
> jQuery plugin.
>
> Every time I work on another piece for jQuery, I end up creating a new
> html file, which normally consists of either copying some junk from
> another project and modifying it, or constructing a new one by grabbing
> a doctype and a few tags off some references on the internet. I also end
> up grabbing jQuery again to shove in and include.
> As for actually testing stuff, I normally might just go off the
> filesystem, however sometimes that doesn't quite work right, and I end
> up needing to configure a local webserver (normally I just edit the
> config for my local nginx).
> Things get real ugly when working on patches to jQuery core itself.
> Mostly because of nee

[jquery-dev] Re: jQuery - Development Environments?

[Daniel Friesen]

Bespin is relatively new, and quite frankly there are a number of bugs 
that kind of need to be ironed out. It doesn't have enough flexibility 
yet to be integrated in a nice way to be able to work on a project in 
the way I'd like to.
;) that doesn't mean I counted it out though. jDevCloud (the ruby app 
I'm working on) is going to be using one or two different editors for 
syntax highlighting or whatnot while editing. What one you want to use 
can be picked by your own preference, and in the future I intend to have 
bespin as one of those options when it's setup so that you can integrate 
it's editor into other systems.

~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://nadir-seen-fire.com]
-Nadir-Point & Wiki-Tools (http://nadir-point.com) (http://wiki-tools.com)
-MonkeyScript (http://monkeyscript.org)
-Animepedia (http://anime.wikia.com)
-Narutopedia (http://naruto.wikia.com)
-Soul Eater Wiki (http://souleater.wikia.com)



Klaus Hartl wrote:
> What about Bespin ;)
>
>
>
> On 13 Mrz., 23:01, Daniel Friesen  wrote:
>   
>> Ubuntu Linux as well. My system actually broke last Friday so I actually
>> reformatted and I upgraded to Intrepid and started experimenting with
>> the 64bit version.
>>
>> I've been using gedit to, though I haven't been using the snippets
>> plugin, I honestly can't get used to snippets in any editor.
>> I have tried a number of editors; Komodo Edit was nice, but is far to
>> heavy and commonly slows down. jEdit does not integrate at all with
>> Gnome so it's more trouble than worth since I use the built in GVFS
>> (FUSE) and bookmarking fairly extensively. I could never even get any of
>> the big IDEs (Eclipse, Aptana, NetBeans) to even run on my machine. I've
>> tried Geany, Scribes, and Bluefish, and none of them seam to cut it.
>>
>> Another option for web stuff has actually been 
>> heel:http://copiousfreetime.rubyforge.org/heel/
>>
>> ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://nadir-seen-fire.com]
>> -Nadir-Point & Wiki-Tools (http://nadir-point.com) (http://wiki-tools.com)
>> -MonkeyScript (http://monkeyscript.org)
>> -Animepedia (http://anime.wikia.com)
>> -Narutopedia (http://naruto.wikia.com)
>> -Soul Eater Wiki (http://souleater.wikia.com)
>>
>> Mark Gibson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Daniel, you don't say what OS you use. This can make a big
>>> difference, especially if you're familiar with shell scripting. I use
>>> Ubuntu Linux, have a local apache service running which is configured
>>> out of the box for user dirs (ie.http://localhost/~mark- served from
>>> /home/mark/public_html). I have a common dir in there containing
>>> jQuery & UI - these are updated, built and copied there from the svn
>>> working-copies elsewhere in my filesystem by a short custom shell
>>> script. I use rsync to then sync all of this up to a public web-server
>>> hosted by my company.
>>> For editing I use the very understated GEdit which is part of Gnome
>>> desktop, and the snipets plugin - which insert all the boiler plate
>>> html/js I need - I did briefly try a couple of web-dev env's but just
>>> found them annoying.
>>> While on this, I'd be interested to know what editors (or even IDE's)
>>> people use for JS/jQuery work. I've not really found any that can
>>> handle a functional language such as JS all that well. Personally I
>>> can't stand bulky IDE's (such as Eclipse) that insist on managing
>>> projects for you and eat all your resources.
>>>   
>>> 2009/3/13 Daniel Friesen :
>>>   
 I'm wondering what kind of tricks and setups other people have when they
 are developing with jQuery.
 Be it writing some improvements to jQuery itself, or writing a plugin.
 I'm not really looking for those using jQuery in an application, cause
 that environment is normally just taking a few jQuery files and plugins
 and including that into your existing development environment.
 
 I'm trying to find out how people (plugin and core jQuery developers)
 normally handle their development environment for working on jQuery or a
 jQuery plugin.
 
 Every time I work on another piece for jQuery, I end up creating a new
 html file, which normally consists of either copying some junk from
 another project and modifying it, or constructing a new one by grabbing
 a doctype and a few tags off some references on the internet. I also end
 up grabbing jQuery again to shove in and include.
 As for actually testing stuff, I normally might just go off the
 filesystem, however sometimes that doesn't quite work right, and I end
 up needing to configure a local webserver (normally I just edit the
 config for my local nginx).
 Things get real ugly when working on patches to jQuery core itself.
 Mostly because of needing to `make jquery` all the time. Sometimes I end
 up sitting there for a few minutes trying to figure out "why the hell
 didn't my edit fix this bug?" then realize I forgot to rebuilt

[jquery-dev] Re: jQuery - Development Environments?

[ricardobeat]

I'm on Vista/XP, using SmartSVN for the svn, and Notepad++ as my text
editor. For testing/development I have two template folders (one
strict one transitional) that holds a .htm file with the jQuery
script, a script with an empty ready() call and a css file with a CSS
reset. I just copy it over, rename it and start working. When I just
need to test something quickly I use either jsbin.com or
jquery.nodnod.net, each have their advantages.

Notepad++ is simple and nice to use, JS syntax highlighting never
fails. It's a bit rough in some areas (search, replacing, plugins) but
does it's job well. It opens almost instantly and uses insignificant
system resources, and has a very handy file backup option. Nothing
like an IDE, but I like this non-intrusive setup.

cheers,
- ricardo

On Mar 13, 12:18 am, Daniel Friesen  wrote:
> I'm wondering what kind of tricks and setups other people have when they
> are developing with jQuery.
> Be it writing some improvements to jQuery itself, or writing a plugin.
> I'm not really looking for those using jQuery in an application, cause
> that environment is normally just taking a few jQuery files and plugins
> and including that into your existing development environment.
>
> I'm trying to find out how people (plugin and core jQuery developers)
> normally handle their development environment for working on jQuery or a
> jQuery plugin.
>
> Every time I work on another piece for jQuery, I end up creating a new
> html file, which normally consists of either copying some junk from
> another project and modifying it, or constructing a new one by grabbing
> a doctype and a few tags off some references on the internet. I also end
> up grabbing jQuery again to shove in and include.
> As for actually testing stuff, I normally might just go off the
> filesystem, however sometimes that doesn't quite work right, and I end
> up needing to configure a local webserver (normally I just edit the
> config for my local nginx).
> Things get real ugly when working on patches to jQuery core itself.
> Mostly because of needing to `make jquery` all the time. Sometimes I end
> up sitting there for a few minutes trying to figure out "why the hell
> didn't my edit fix this bug?" then realize I forgot to rebuilt jquery
> before I refreshed the page to test it.
>
> All in all, I don't really consider it a nice and clean, or even helpful
> environment.
> For that reason I've actually started experimenting with building a
> Rails app to manage projects and streamline things like creating html
> pages from templates, previewing a page and working on code live, as
> well as nice integration for github forks of jQuery (fork/clone as in
> gitspeak), jQuery svn, and different versions of jQuery.
>
> --
> ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire)
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[jquery-dev] Re: jQuery - Development Environments?

[Klaus Hartl]

What about Bespin ;)



On 13 Mrz., 23:01, Daniel Friesen  wrote:
> Ubuntu Linux as well. My system actually broke last Friday so I actually
> reformatted and I upgraded to Intrepid and started experimenting with
> the 64bit version.
>
> I've been using gedit to, though I haven't been using the snippets
> plugin, I honestly can't get used to snippets in any editor.
> I have tried a number of editors; Komodo Edit was nice, but is far to
> heavy and commonly slows down. jEdit does not integrate at all with
> Gnome so it's more trouble than worth since I use the built in GVFS
> (FUSE) and bookmarking fairly extensively. I could never even get any of
> the big IDEs (Eclipse, Aptana, NetBeans) to even run on my machine. I've
> tried Geany, Scribes, and Bluefish, and none of them seam to cut it.
>
> Another option for web stuff has actually been 
> heel:http://copiousfreetime.rubyforge.org/heel/
>
> ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://nadir-seen-fire.com]
> -Nadir-Point & Wiki-Tools (http://nadir-point.com) (http://wiki-tools.com)
> -MonkeyScript (http://monkeyscript.org)
> -Animepedia (http://anime.wikia.com)
> -Narutopedia (http://naruto.wikia.com)
> -Soul Eater Wiki (http://souleater.wikia.com)
>
> Mark Gibson wrote:
> > Hi Daniel, you don't say what OS you use. This can make a big
> > difference, especially if you're familiar with shell scripting. I use
> > Ubuntu Linux, have a local apache service running which is configured
> > out of the box for user dirs (ie.http://localhost/~mark- served from
> > /home/mark/public_html). I have a common dir in there containing
> > jQuery & UI - these are updated, built and copied there from the svn
> > working-copies elsewhere in my filesystem by a short custom shell
> > script. I use rsync to then sync all of this up to a public web-server
> > hosted by my company.
> > For editing I use the very understated GEdit which is part of Gnome
> > desktop, and the snipets plugin - which insert all the boiler plate
> > html/js I need - I did briefly try a couple of web-dev env's but just
> > found them annoying.
> > While on this, I'd be interested to know what editors (or even IDE's)
> > people use for JS/jQuery work. I've not really found any that can
> > handle a functional language such as JS all that well. Personally I
> > can't stand bulky IDE's (such as Eclipse) that insist on managing
> > projects for you and eat all your resources.
>
> > 2009/3/13 Daniel Friesen :
>
> >> I'm wondering what kind of tricks and setups other people have when they
> >> are developing with jQuery.
> >> Be it writing some improvements to jQuery itself, or writing a plugin.
> >> I'm not really looking for those using jQuery in an application, cause
> >> that environment is normally just taking a few jQuery files and plugins
> >> and including that into your existing development environment.
>
> >> I'm trying to find out how people (plugin and core jQuery developers)
> >> normally handle their development environment for working on jQuery or a
> >> jQuery plugin.
>
> >> Every time I work on another piece for jQuery, I end up creating a new
> >> html file, which normally consists of either copying some junk from
> >> another project and modifying it, or constructing a new one by grabbing
> >> a doctype and a few tags off some references on the internet. I also end
> >> up grabbing jQuery again to shove in and include.
> >> As for actually testing stuff, I normally might just go off the
> >> filesystem, however sometimes that doesn't quite work right, and I end
> >> up needing to configure a local webserver (normally I just edit the
> >> config for my local nginx).
> >> Things get real ugly when working on patches to jQuery core itself.
> >> Mostly because of needing to `make jquery` all the time. Sometimes I end
> >> up sitting there for a few minutes trying to figure out "why the hell
> >> didn't my edit fix this bug?" then realize I forgot to rebuilt jquery
> >> before I refreshed the page to test it.
>
> >> All in all, I don't really consider it a nice and clean, or even helpful
> >> environment.
> >> For that reason I've actually started experimenting with building a
> >> Rails app to manage projects and streamline things like creating html
> >> pages from templates, previewing a page and working on code live, as
> >> well as nice integration for github forks of jQuery (fork/clone as in
> >> gitspeak), jQuery svn, and different versions of jQuery.
>
> >> --
> >> ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire)
>
>
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[jquery-dev] Re: jQuery - Development Environments?

[Daniel Friesen]

Ubuntu Linux as well. My system actually broke last Friday so I actually 
reformatted and I upgraded to Intrepid and started experimenting with 
the 64bit version.

I've been using gedit to, though I haven't been using the snippets 
plugin, I honestly can't get used to snippets in any editor.
I have tried a number of editors; Komodo Edit was nice, but is far to 
heavy and commonly slows down. jEdit does not integrate at all with 
Gnome so it's more trouble than worth since I use the built in GVFS 
(FUSE) and bookmarking fairly extensively. I could never even get any of 
the big IDEs (Eclipse, Aptana, NetBeans) to even run on my machine. I've 
tried Geany, Scribes, and Bluefish, and none of them seam to cut it.

Another option for web stuff has actually been heel: 
http://copiousfreetime.rubyforge.org/heel/

~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://nadir-seen-fire.com]
-Nadir-Point & Wiki-Tools (http://nadir-point.com) (http://wiki-tools.com)
-MonkeyScript (http://monkeyscript.org)
-Animepedia (http://anime.wikia.com)
-Narutopedia (http://naruto.wikia.com)
-Soul Eater Wiki (http://souleater.wikia.com)



Mark Gibson wrote:
> Hi Daniel, you don't say what OS you use. This can make a big
> difference, especially if you're familiar with shell scripting. I use
> Ubuntu Linux, have a local apache service running which is configured
> out of the box for user dirs (ie. http://localhost/~mark - served from
> /home/mark/public_html). I have a common dir in there containing
> jQuery & UI - these are updated, built and copied there from the svn
> working-copies elsewhere in my filesystem by a short custom shell
> script. I use rsync to then sync all of this up to a public web-server
> hosted by my company.
> For editing I use the very understated GEdit which is part of Gnome
> desktop, and the snipets plugin - which insert all the boiler plate
> html/js I need - I did briefly try a couple of web-dev env's but just
> found them annoying.
> While on this, I'd be interested to know what editors (or even IDE's)
> people use for JS/jQuery work. I've not really found any that can
> handle a functional language such as JS all that well. Personally I
> can't stand bulky IDE's (such as Eclipse) that insist on managing
> projects for you and eat all your resources.
>
> 2009/3/13 Daniel Friesen :
>   
>> I'm wondering what kind of tricks and setups other people have when they
>> are developing with jQuery.
>> Be it writing some improvements to jQuery itself, or writing a plugin.
>> I'm not really looking for those using jQuery in an application, cause
>> that environment is normally just taking a few jQuery files and plugins
>> and including that into your existing development environment.
>>
>> I'm trying to find out how people (plugin and core jQuery developers)
>> normally handle their development environment for working on jQuery or a
>> jQuery plugin.
>>
>> Every time I work on another piece for jQuery, I end up creating a new
>> html file, which normally consists of either copying some junk from
>> another project and modifying it, or constructing a new one by grabbing
>> a doctype and a few tags off some references on the internet. I also end
>> up grabbing jQuery again to shove in and include.
>> As for actually testing stuff, I normally might just go off the
>> filesystem, however sometimes that doesn't quite work right, and I end
>> up needing to configure a local webserver (normally I just edit the
>> config for my local nginx).
>> Things get real ugly when working on patches to jQuery core itself.
>> Mostly because of needing to `make jquery` all the time. Sometimes I end
>> up sitting there for a few minutes trying to figure out "why the hell
>> didn't my edit fix this bug?" then realize I forgot to rebuilt jquery
>> before I refreshed the page to test it.
>>
>> All in all, I don't really consider it a nice and clean, or even helpful
>> environment.
>> For that reason I've actually started experimenting with building a
>> Rails app to manage projects and streamline things like creating html
>> pages from templates, previewing a page and working on code live, as
>> well as nice integration for github forks of jQuery (fork/clone as in
>> gitspeak), jQuery svn, and different versions of jQuery.
>>
>> --
>> ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire)
>>
>>
>> 
>
> >
>   

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[jquery-dev] Re: jQuery - Development Environments?

[Julian Aubourg]

I use Zend Studio 5.5. It has built-in svn support, javascript syntax
coloring & I can quickly switch to any of the PHP projects I work on at the
time.
The clear advantage is that I can quickly make a php page to test stuff. I
put all of my sources into WAMP's www directory so, all in all, it's quite
efficient.

2009/3/13 David Zhou 

>
> In terms of editors, I use vim for everything I do.
>
> -- dz
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:24 AM, chris thatcher
>  wrote:
> > On windows I recommend 'e' which is a copy of 'textmate' which is my
> > recommendation for mac.  I bet textmate runs on linux in general but
> can't
> > promise that.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:26 AM, Mark Gibson 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Daniel, you don't say what OS you use. This can make a big
> >> difference, especially if you're familiar with shell scripting. I use
> >> Ubuntu Linux, have a local apache service running which is configured
> >> out of the box for user dirs (ie. http://localhost/~mark - served from
> >> /home/mark/public_html). I have a common dir in there containing
> >> jQuery & UI - these are updated, built and copied there from the svn
> >> working-copies elsewhere in my filesystem by a short custom shell
> >> script. I use rsync to then sync all of this up to a public web-server
> >> hosted by my company.
> >> For editing I use the very understated GEdit which is part of Gnome
> >> desktop, and the snipets plugin - which insert all the boiler plate
> >> html/js I need - I did briefly try a couple of web-dev env's but just
> >> found them annoying.
> >> While on this, I'd be interested to know what editors (or even IDE's)
> >> people use for JS/jQuery work. I've not really found any that can
> >> handle a functional language such as JS all that well. Personally I
> >> can't stand bulky IDE's (such as Eclipse) that insist on managing
> >> projects for you and eat all your resources.
> >>
> >> 2009/3/13 Daniel Friesen :
> >> >
> >> > I'm wondering what kind of tricks and setups other people have when
> they
> >> > are developing with jQuery.
> >> > Be it writing some improvements to jQuery itself, or writing a plugin.
> >> > I'm not really looking for those using jQuery in an application, cause
> >> > that environment is normally just taking a few jQuery files and
> plugins
> >> > and including that into your existing development environment.
> >> >
> >> > I'm trying to find out how people (plugin and core jQuery developers)
> >> > normally handle their development environment for working on jQuery or
> a
> >> > jQuery plugin.
> >> >
> >> > Every time I work on another piece for jQuery, I end up creating a new
> >> > html file, which normally consists of either copying some junk from
> >> > another project and modifying it, or constructing a new one by
> grabbing
> >> > a doctype and a few tags off some references on the internet. I also
> end
> >> > up grabbing jQuery again to shove in and include.
> >> > As for actually testing stuff, I normally might just go off the
> >> > filesystem, however sometimes that doesn't quite work right, and I end
> >> > up needing to configure a local webserver (normally I just edit the
> >> > config for my local nginx).
> >> > Things get real ugly when working on patches to jQuery core itself.
> >> > Mostly because of needing to `make jquery` all the time. Sometimes I
> end
> >> > up sitting there for a few minutes trying to figure out "why the hell
> >> > didn't my edit fix this bug?" then realize I forgot to rebuilt jquery
> >> > before I refreshed the page to test it.
> >> >
> >> > All in all, I don't really consider it a nice and clean, or even
> helpful
> >> > environment.
> >> > For that reason I've actually started experimenting with building a
> >> > Rails app to manage projects and streamline things like creating html
> >> > pages from templates, previewing a page and working on code live, as
> >> > well as nice integration for github forks of jQuery (fork/clone as in
> >> > gitspeak), jQuery svn, and different versions of jQuery.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Christopher Thatcher
> >
> > >
> >
>
> >
>

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[jquery-dev] Re: jQuery - Development Environments?

[David Zhou]

In terms of editors, I use vim for everything I do.

-- dz



On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:24 AM, chris thatcher
 wrote:
> On windows I recommend 'e' which is a copy of 'textmate' which is my
> recommendation for mac.  I bet textmate runs on linux in general but can't
> promise that.
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:26 AM, Mark Gibson  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Daniel, you don't say what OS you use. This can make a big
>> difference, especially if you're familiar with shell scripting. I use
>> Ubuntu Linux, have a local apache service running which is configured
>> out of the box for user dirs (ie. http://localhost/~mark - served from
>> /home/mark/public_html). I have a common dir in there containing
>> jQuery & UI - these are updated, built and copied there from the svn
>> working-copies elsewhere in my filesystem by a short custom shell
>> script. I use rsync to then sync all of this up to a public web-server
>> hosted by my company.
>> For editing I use the very understated GEdit which is part of Gnome
>> desktop, and the snipets plugin - which insert all the boiler plate
>> html/js I need - I did briefly try a couple of web-dev env's but just
>> found them annoying.
>> While on this, I'd be interested to know what editors (or even IDE's)
>> people use for JS/jQuery work. I've not really found any that can
>> handle a functional language such as JS all that well. Personally I
>> can't stand bulky IDE's (such as Eclipse) that insist on managing
>> projects for you and eat all your resources.
>>
>> 2009/3/13 Daniel Friesen :
>> >
>> > I'm wondering what kind of tricks and setups other people have when they
>> > are developing with jQuery.
>> > Be it writing some improvements to jQuery itself, or writing a plugin.
>> > I'm not really looking for those using jQuery in an application, cause
>> > that environment is normally just taking a few jQuery files and plugins
>> > and including that into your existing development environment.
>> >
>> > I'm trying to find out how people (plugin and core jQuery developers)
>> > normally handle their development environment for working on jQuery or a
>> > jQuery plugin.
>> >
>> > Every time I work on another piece for jQuery, I end up creating a new
>> > html file, which normally consists of either copying some junk from
>> > another project and modifying it, or constructing a new one by grabbing
>> > a doctype and a few tags off some references on the internet. I also end
>> > up grabbing jQuery again to shove in and include.
>> > As for actually testing stuff, I normally might just go off the
>> > filesystem, however sometimes that doesn't quite work right, and I end
>> > up needing to configure a local webserver (normally I just edit the
>> > config for my local nginx).
>> > Things get real ugly when working on patches to jQuery core itself.
>> > Mostly because of needing to `make jquery` all the time. Sometimes I end
>> > up sitting there for a few minutes trying to figure out "why the hell
>> > didn't my edit fix this bug?" then realize I forgot to rebuilt jquery
>> > before I refreshed the page to test it.
>> >
>> > All in all, I don't really consider it a nice and clean, or even helpful
>> > environment.
>> > For that reason I've actually started experimenting with building a
>> > Rails app to manage projects and streamline things like creating html
>> > pages from templates, previewing a page and working on code live, as
>> > well as nice integration for github forks of jQuery (fork/clone as in
>> > gitspeak), jQuery svn, and different versions of jQuery.
>> >
>> > --
>> > ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire)
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Christopher Thatcher
>
> >
>

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[jquery-dev] Re: jQuery - Development Environments?

[chris thatcher]

On windows I recommend 'e' which is a copy of 'textmate' which is my
recommendation for mac.  I bet textmate runs on linux in general but can't
promise that.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:26 AM, Mark Gibson  wrote:

>
> Hi Daniel, you don't say what OS you use. This can make a big
> difference, especially if you're familiar with shell scripting. I use
> Ubuntu Linux, have a local apache service running which is configured
> out of the box for user dirs (ie. 
> http://localhost/~mark- served from
> /home/mark/public_html). I have a common dir in there containing
> jQuery & UI - these are updated, built and copied there from the svn
> working-copies elsewhere in my filesystem by a short custom shell
> script. I use rsync to then sync all of this up to a public web-server
> hosted by my company.
> For editing I use the very understated GEdit which is part of Gnome
> desktop, and the snipets plugin - which insert all the boiler plate
> html/js I need - I did briefly try a couple of web-dev env's but just
> found them annoying.
> While on this, I'd be interested to know what editors (or even IDE's)
> people use for JS/jQuery work. I've not really found any that can
> handle a functional language such as JS all that well. Personally I
> can't stand bulky IDE's (such as Eclipse) that insist on managing
> projects for you and eat all your resources.
>
> 2009/3/13 Daniel Friesen :
> >
> > I'm wondering what kind of tricks and setups other people have when they
> > are developing with jQuery.
> > Be it writing some improvements to jQuery itself, or writing a plugin.
> > I'm not really looking for those using jQuery in an application, cause
> > that environment is normally just taking a few jQuery files and plugins
> > and including that into your existing development environment.
> >
> > I'm trying to find out how people (plugin and core jQuery developers)
> > normally handle their development environment for working on jQuery or a
> > jQuery plugin.
> >
> > Every time I work on another piece for jQuery, I end up creating a new
> > html file, which normally consists of either copying some junk from
> > another project and modifying it, or constructing a new one by grabbing
> > a doctype and a few tags off some references on the internet. I also end
> > up grabbing jQuery again to shove in and include.
> > As for actually testing stuff, I normally might just go off the
> > filesystem, however sometimes that doesn't quite work right, and I end
> > up needing to configure a local webserver (normally I just edit the
> > config for my local nginx).
> > Things get real ugly when working on patches to jQuery core itself.
> > Mostly because of needing to `make jquery` all the time. Sometimes I end
> > up sitting there for a few minutes trying to figure out "why the hell
> > didn't my edit fix this bug?" then realize I forgot to rebuilt jquery
> > before I refreshed the page to test it.
> >
> > All in all, I don't really consider it a nice and clean, or even helpful
> > environment.
> > For that reason I've actually started experimenting with building a
> > Rails app to manage projects and streamline things like creating html
> > pages from templates, previewing a page and working on code live, as
> > well as nice integration for github forks of jQuery (fork/clone as in
> > gitspeak), jQuery svn, and different versions of jQuery.
> >
> > --
> > ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire)
> >
> >
> > >
> >
>
> >
>


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[jquery-dev] Re: jQuery - Development Environments?

[Mark Gibson]

Hi Daniel, you don't say what OS you use. This can make a big
difference, especially if you're familiar with shell scripting. I use
Ubuntu Linux, have a local apache service running which is configured
out of the box for user dirs (ie. http://localhost/~mark - served from
/home/mark/public_html). I have a common dir in there containing
jQuery & UI - these are updated, built and copied there from the svn
working-copies elsewhere in my filesystem by a short custom shell
script. I use rsync to then sync all of this up to a public web-server
hosted by my company.
For editing I use the very understated GEdit which is part of Gnome
desktop, and the snipets plugin - which insert all the boiler plate
html/js I need - I did briefly try a couple of web-dev env's but just
found them annoying.
While on this, I'd be interested to know what editors (or even IDE's)
people use for JS/jQuery work. I've not really found any that can
handle a functional language such as JS all that well. Personally I
can't stand bulky IDE's (such as Eclipse) that insist on managing
projects for you and eat all your resources.

2009/3/13 Daniel Friesen :
>
> I'm wondering what kind of tricks and setups other people have when they
> are developing with jQuery.
> Be it writing some improvements to jQuery itself, or writing a plugin.
> I'm not really looking for those using jQuery in an application, cause
> that environment is normally just taking a few jQuery files and plugins
> and including that into your existing development environment.
>
> I'm trying to find out how people (plugin and core jQuery developers)
> normally handle their development environment for working on jQuery or a
> jQuery plugin.
>
> Every time I work on another piece for jQuery, I end up creating a new
> html file, which normally consists of either copying some junk from
> another project and modifying it, or constructing a new one by grabbing
> a doctype and a few tags off some references on the internet. I also end
> up grabbing jQuery again to shove in and include.
> As for actually testing stuff, I normally might just go off the
> filesystem, however sometimes that doesn't quite work right, and I end
> up needing to configure a local webserver (normally I just edit the
> config for my local nginx).
> Things get real ugly when working on patches to jQuery core itself.
> Mostly because of needing to `make jquery` all the time. Sometimes I end
> up sitting there for a few minutes trying to figure out "why the hell
> didn't my edit fix this bug?" then realize I forgot to rebuilt jquery
> before I refreshed the page to test it.
>
> All in all, I don't really consider it a nice and clean, or even helpful
> environment.
> For that reason I've actually started experimenting with building a
> Rails app to manage projects and streamline things like creating html
> pages from templates, previewing a page and working on code live, as
> well as nice integration for github forks of jQuery (fork/clone as in
> gitspeak), jQuery svn, and different versions of jQuery.
>
> --
> ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire)
>
>
> >
>

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[jquery-dev] Re: jQuery - Development Environments?

[David Zhou]

In terms of patching jQuery core, I usually grab a build of the latest
revision, and work off that.  Then backport changes to the svn
checkout to generate a diff.

As for testing random jQuery snippets, I've been eating my own
medicine and using the jQuery tester utility I wrote.

-- dz



On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Daniel Friesen
 wrote:
>
> I'm wondering what kind of tricks and setups other people have when they
> are developing with jQuery.
> Be it writing some improvements to jQuery itself, or writing a plugin.
> I'm not really looking for those using jQuery in an application, cause
> that environment is normally just taking a few jQuery files and plugins
> and including that into your existing development environment.
>
> I'm trying to find out how people (plugin and core jQuery developers)
> normally handle their development environment for working on jQuery or a
> jQuery plugin.
>
> Every time I work on another piece for jQuery, I end up creating a new
> html file, which normally consists of either copying some junk from
> another project and modifying it, or constructing a new one by grabbing
> a doctype and a few tags off some references on the internet. I also end
> up grabbing jQuery again to shove in and include.
> As for actually testing stuff, I normally might just go off the
> filesystem, however sometimes that doesn't quite work right, and I end
> up needing to configure a local webserver (normally I just edit the
> config for my local nginx).
> Things get real ugly when working on patches to jQuery core itself.
> Mostly because of needing to `make jquery` all the time. Sometimes I end
> up sitting there for a few minutes trying to figure out "why the hell
> didn't my edit fix this bug?" then realize I forgot to rebuilt jquery
> before I refreshed the page to test it.
>
> All in all, I don't really consider it a nice and clean, or even helpful
> environment.
> For that reason I've actually started experimenting with building a
> Rails app to manage projects and streamline things like creating html
> pages from templates, previewing a page and working on code live, as
> well as nice integration for github forks of jQuery (fork/clone as in
> gitspeak), jQuery svn, and different versions of jQuery.
>
> --
> ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire)
>
>
> >
>

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