[jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update
Only one word: MultipleIE's http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE I have installed IE 7 as usual browser, and with MultipleIE for test my webs in IE 6, IE 5.5, IE5 and IE 4 ;) Without virtual machines Andy Matthews escribió: The article I read mentioned that MS is going to force IE7 on users, but that there was a way that sysadmins could prevent this. Whether that means that lots of people are going to try and prevent it is another story. The problem is that as long as there is even a 5% or 10% level of use of IE6, developers at least will need to keep it around. I personally have put off installing it IE7 at home so that I can still test with IE6. We shall see. Hey...at least this will stop all of you crybabies from whining about how crappy IE6 is. What's next on your complaints list? ;) -Original Message- From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cfdvlpr Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:10 PM To: jQuery (English) Subject: [jQuery] Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update Does anyone know about how many IE6 users this will affect? After Feb 12, 2008 is it likely that your IE 6 users will drop much? If you have an ecommerce site that currently has about 40% IE6 users, is this percentage likely to go much farther down? Or, is this update not forced on the average IE 6 user? I'd just love to see IE6 go away, but I don't want to get my hopes up if this so-called forced update is not really forced on many of our IE6 users. -- Best Regards, José Francisco Rives Lirola sevir1ATgmail.com SeViR CW · Computer Design http://www.sevir.org Murcia - Spain
[jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update
The article I read mentioned that MS is going to force IE7 on users, but that there was a way that sysadmins could prevent this. Whether that means that lots of people are going to try and prevent it is another story. The problem is that as long as there is even a 5% or 10% level of use of IE6, developers at least will need to keep it around. I personally have put off installing it IE7 at home so that I can still test with IE6. We shall see. Hey...at least this will stop all of you crybabies from whining about how crappy IE6 is. What's next on your complaints list? ;) -Original Message- From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cfdvlpr Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:10 PM To: jQuery (English) Subject: [jQuery] Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update Does anyone know about how many IE6 users this will affect? After Feb 12, 2008 is it likely that your IE 6 users will drop much? If you have an ecommerce site that currently has about 40% IE6 users, is this percentage likely to go much farther down? Or, is this update not forced on the average IE 6 user? I'd just love to see IE6 go away, but I don't want to get my hopes up if this so-called forced update is not really forced on many of our IE6 users.
[jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update
We shall see. Hey...at least this will stop all of you crybabies from whining about how crappy IE6 is. What's next on your complaints list? My sentiments exactly! But people will always complain about every IE does; personally I think those that complain are just lazy and don't feel like reading the many, many sites out there the will show you have to work with the issue with out resorting to crazy hacks. Just my two cents. On 1/24/08, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The article I read mentioned that MS is going to force IE7 on users, but that there was a way that sysadmins could prevent this. Whether that means that lots of people are going to try and prevent it is another story. The problem is that as long as there is even a 5% or 10% level of use of IE6, developers at least will need to keep it around. I personally have put off installing it IE7 at home so that I can still test with IE6. We shall see. Hey...at least this will stop all of you crybabies from whining about how crappy IE6 is. What's next on your complaints list? ;) -Original Message- From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cfdvlpr Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:10 PM To: jQuery (English) Subject: [jQuery] Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update Does anyone know about how many IE6 users this will affect? After Feb 12, 2008 is it likely that your IE 6 users will drop much? If you have an ecommerce site that currently has about 40% IE6 users, is this percentage likely to go much farther down? Or, is this update not forced on the average IE 6 user? I'd just love to see IE6 go away, but I don't want to get my hopes up if this so-called forced update is not really forced on many of our IE6 users. -- Benjamin Sterling http://www.KenzoMedia.com http://www.KenzoHosting.com http://www.benjaminsterling.com
[jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update
If IE problems ever start to bother me, I just remember the fact that I no longer have to develop for Netscape 4.77 and thank my lucky stars. ;-) JK _ From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Benjamin Sterling Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:50 AM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update My sentiments exactly! But people will always complain about every IE does; personally I think those that complain are just lazy and don't feel like reading the many, many sites out there the will show you have to work with the issue with out resorting to crazy hacks. Just my two cents.
[jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update
LOL!!! That totally puts it into perspective. _ From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Kretz Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 10:12 AM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update If IE problems ever start to bother me, I just remember the fact that I no longer have to develop for Netscape 4.77 and thank my lucky stars. ;-) JK _ From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Benjamin Sterling Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:50 AM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update My sentiments exactly! But people will always complain about every IE does; personally I think those that complain are just lazy and don't feel like reading the many, many sites out there the will show you have to work with the issue with out resorting to crazy hacks. Just my two cents.
[jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update
Do you have a link to this handy? Cheers, -Jonathan On 1/23/08, cfdvlpr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know about how many IE6 users this will affect? After Feb 12, 2008 is it likely that your IE 6 users will drop much? If you have an ecommerce site that currently has about 40% IE6 users, is this percentage likely to go much farther down? Or, is this update not forced on the average IE 6 user? I'd just love to see IE6 go away, but I don't want to get my hopes up if this so-called forced update is not really forced on many of our IE6 users.
[jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update
http://sitening.com/blog/2008/01/22/microsoft-gives-away-early-or-late-chris tmas-present-to-web-designers _ From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Sharp Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 10:51 AM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update Do you have a link to this handy? Cheers, -Jonathan On 1/23/08, cfdvlpr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know about how many IE6 users this will affect? After Feb 12, 2008 is it likely that your IE 6 users will drop much? If you have an ecommerce site that currently has about 40% IE6 users, is this percentage likely to go much farther down? Or, is this update not forced on the average IE 6 user? I'd just love to see IE6 go away, but I don't want to get my hopes up if this so-called forced update is not really forced on many of our IE6 users.
[jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update
Jonathan Sharp wrote on 1/24/2008 10:51 AM: Do you have a link to this handy? - Microsoft Corp. has warned corporate administrators that it will push a new version of Internet Explorer 7 their way next month, and it has posted guidelines on how to ward off the automatic update if admins want to keep the older IE6 browser on their companies' machines. http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/141472/warning_an_ie7_autoupdate_is_coming_soon.html - - Bil
[jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update
On Jan 24, 2008 8:21 AM, Andy Matthews wrote: I personally have put off installing it IE7 at home so that I can still test with IE6. Andy, If you want to be able to test with IE6 and IE7 on the same machine, check out the following link. http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE I've been using Multiple IE's for a long, long time now with no problems. It's a lifesaver, in my opinion. Matt
[jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update
I've seen that before, but I'm a little suspect that it's not quite spot on. It seems as if some of the various behaviours aren't replicated precisely. _ From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Quackenbush Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 11:05 AM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update On Jan 24, 2008 8:21 AM, Andy Matthews wrote: I personally have put off installing it IE7 at home so that I can still test with IE6. Andy, If you want to be able to test with IE6 and IE7 on the same machine, check out the following link. http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE I've been using Multiple IE's for a long, long time now with no problems. It's a lifesaver, in my opinion. Matt
[jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update
On Jan 24, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Andy Matthews wrote: I've seen that before, but I'm a little suspect that it's not quite spot on. It seems as if some of the various behaviours aren't replicated precisely. From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Quackenbush Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 11:05 AM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update Andy, If you want to be able to test with IE6 and IE7 on the same machine, check out the following link. http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE I've been using Multiple IE's for a long, long time now with no problems. It's a lifesaver, in my opinion. Of course you could also install two virtual machines, one with IE6 and one with IE7. I do this with my Mac and Parallels (Fusion also works well), and I'm sure there are Windows VM apps out there. --Karl _ Karl Swedberg www.englishrules.com www.learningjquery.com
[jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update
Right... That's the ideal method... _ From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karl Swedberg Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 11:17 AM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update On Jan 24, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Andy Matthews wrote: I've seen that before, but I'm a little suspect that it's not quite spot on. It seems as if some of the various behaviours aren't replicated precisely. _ From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Quackenbush Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 11:05 AM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update Andy, If you want to be able to test with IE6 and IE7 on the same machine, check out the following link. http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE I've been using Multiple IE's for a long, long time now with no problems. It's a lifesaver, in my opinion. Of course you could also install two virtual machines, one with IE6 and one with IE7. I do this with my Mac and Parallels (Fusion also works well), and I'm sure there are Windows VM apps out there. --Karl _ Karl Swedberg www.englishrules.com www.learningjquery.com
[jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update
On Jan 24, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Karl Swedberg wrote: Of course you could also install two virtual machines, one with IE6 and one with IE7. I do this with my Mac and Parallels (Fusion also works well), and I'm sure there are Windows VM apps out there. I could imagine running two Windowses at the same time is quite a memory hog. How much do you have? 10G ? :) -- Mika Tuupola http://www.appelsiini.net/
[jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update
On Jan 24, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Bil Corry wrote: Microsoft Corp. has warned corporate administrators that it will push a new version of Internet Explorer 7 their way next month, and it has posted guidelines on how to ward off the automatic update if admins want to keep the older IE6 browser on their companies' machines. http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/141472/warning_an_ie7_autoupdate_is_coming_soon.html Arstechnica has some insights on this: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080123-the-ie7-auto-rollout-fact-and-fiction.html News is spreading that on February 12, Internet Explorer 7 will be flagged for automatic installation through Windows update. Microsoft has published a knowledgebase article detailing the push, but there's plenty of misinformation out there stemming from flawed understandings of what the article actually says. In short, the Windows world isn't about to be forced to upgrade to IE7 -- Mika Tuupola http://www.appelsiini.net/
[jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update
I don't usually run both at the same time, but I have, and it works. I'm on a 2GHz Core 2 Duo iMac with 3GB of RAM (the most it will take). I use both Parallels and Fusion because I started with Parallels, and it has more features, but it's more resource intensive, so for things like video conferencing from within Windows, Fusion works much better. Seriously, I can not stress enough that getting a Mac has significantly increased my web development productivity (can test FF Mac/Windows, Safari Mac/Windows, IE6/7 (in true separate OS instances), Linuxes, etc). As has dual screens (though I'd really like 3: one for code, one for the web browser, and one for server logs/terminal). I've been a diehard, build my own PC user forever, but now I tell everyone to get a Mac. Sorry to wonder OT. --Erik On 1/24/08, Mika Tuupola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 24, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Karl Swedberg wrote: Of course you could also install two virtual machines, one with IE6 and one with IE7. I do this with my Mac and Parallels (Fusion also works well), and I'm sure there are Windows VM apps out there. I could imagine running two Windowses at the same time is quite a memory hog. How much do you have? 10G ? :) -- Mika Tuupola http://www.appelsiini.net/
[jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update
On Jan 24, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Mika Tuupola wrote: On Jan 24, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Karl Swedberg wrote: Of course you could also install two virtual machines, one with IE6 and one with IE7. I do this with my Mac and Parallels (Fusion also works well), and I'm sure there are Windows VM apps out there. I could imagine running two Windowses at the same time is quite a memory hog. How much do you have? 10G ? :) :-) No. Unfortunately, I have to boot the first VM, test in IE 6, shut it down and boot the second VM, test in IE 7. Not ideal, but at least I can work with both browsers from the same physical machine. --Karl _ Karl Swedberg www.englishrules.com www.learningjquery.com
[jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update
If you do the Custom Install for your updates, it will give you the option to check or uncheck the box for IE7 installation. To allow for this, in Windows XP, go to Control Panel and then select the Automatic Updates link. There, you can deselect Automatic Updates and choose one of the less aggressive options. This will give you more control over how and when updates are performed. I have Download updates for me, but let me choose when to install them selected. -- Josh - Original Message - From: Mika Tuupola [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 10:57 AM Subject: [jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update On Jan 24, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Bil Corry wrote: Microsoft Corp. has warned corporate administrators that it will push a new version of Internet Explorer 7 their way next month, and it has posted guidelines on how to ward off the automatic update if admins want to keep the older IE6 browser on their companies' machines. http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/141472/warning_an_ie7_autoupdate_is_coming_soon.html Arstechnica has some insights on this: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080123-the-ie7-auto-rollout-fact-and-fiction.html News is spreading that on February 12, Internet Explorer 7 will be flagged for automatic installation through Windows update. Microsoft has published a knowledgebase article detailing the push, but there's plenty of misinformation out there stemming from flawed understandings of what the article actually says. In short, the Windows world isn't about to be forced to upgrade to IE7 -- Mika Tuupola http://www.appelsiini.net/
[jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update
don't be suspicious. this works perfectly, and the installation is completely seperate for each application - each copy of explorer is using it's own DLLs, so there's no cross-rendering issues. i happen to be running everything on my imac through VMWare, and also have a couple of older PCs for testing - the test results are identicle in both IE7 and IE6 running on clean installations of windows without other explorers, and on the VMWare running all together. absolutely no difference whatsoever. IE5 and 4 are only running on the VMWare, but who needs those anymore... just praying for the day i won't have to look at either copy of explorer again, but that's still far off unfortunately. Andy Matthews-4 wrote: I've seen that before, but I'm a little suspect that it's not quite spot on. It seems as if some of the various behaviours aren't replicated precisely. _ From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Quackenbush Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 11:05 AM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] Re: Feb 12 IE6 Forced Update On Jan 24, 2008 8:21 AM, Andy Matthews wrote: I personally have put off installing it IE7 at home so that I can still test with IE6. Andy, If you want to be able to test with IE6 and IE7 on the same machine, check out the following link. http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE I've been using Multiple IE's for a long, long time now with no problems. It's a lifesaver, in my opinion. Matt -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Feb-12-IE6-Forced-Update-tp15055989s27240p15072508.html Sent from the jQuery General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
