Re: Tools in JSP
Webgain Studio (www.webgain.com) has included and tweaked Macromedia's Dreamweaver product so that it will render the JSP components inside the WYSISWYG HTML editor. Once you see the results of the dynamic components you can then make design changes like placement and fonts. I've tested it with all the basic JSP elements including custom tags and beans using a Weblogic server (a single user version of the server comes with Studio) and it worked well. Studio also includes a copy of Cafe Enterprise Edition (the webgain folks purchased Cafe from Symantec) which can be used as a Java source editor and can stay sync'd up with Dreamweaver over the same JSP source code. Another neat trick. My experience was only as an evaluator so I've not seen this product under the heavy load created by tough project on a tight deadline. Burr [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Walker, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 7:47 AM Subject: Re: Tools in JSP No one of the things you list is essential on its own. There are several Java IDEs that are good for developing beans and servlets. The ability to debug server code is important here. But the big issue in server development is decoupling the design job from the programming job. My view is that the real need is for a web designer's tool that can make some effort at representing the output of JSP code and custom tags, so that the final appearance of the page can be designed. This is obviously a very difficult thing to do - in many cases it's impossible. Maybe there should be some protocol whereby programs embedded in HTML can tell an editor what the output might look like. Chris Walker Brainbench MVP for ASP http://www.brainbench.com -Original Message- From: Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 11:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tools in JSP Hi all, I have been seeing recently lot of mails on JSP tools. Can you please let me know what exactly you are looking for from a JSP tool. 1. Debugger which helps you in identifying errors at the time of translation. 2. Version control Team development 3. Modeling (!?) or Design 4. Costs 5. Light Web Test Server Environment like VisualAge. 6. Multiple colors to identify different tags at source-level. 7. Compatibility with differnt web/ app servers. 8. Formatting of source code 9. Database access support Let me know how these JSP tools really justify these issues. Also which feature of the JSP tool is more important. Thank you Rajan == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: Tools in JSP
Well, if we shall talk about .jsp's and tweaking. How about Macromedia's UltraDev. The database interface is a little bit hard to get into at first, but the familiarity of (full version) Dreamweaver will put you to rest. It is a very nice app. "Macromedia Dreamweaver UltraDev 4 is the most efficient way to develop ASP, JSP or ColdFusion applications. The professional hand-coding environment allows you to view code and design simultaneously, build database-driven Web applications, and view live server-side data as you edit layout and code on the fly. Easily create reusable libraries of server-side scripts or use the built-in server behaviors and shortcuts." http://www.macromedia.com/software/ultradev/ My two Swedish crowns worth, -Camilla. -Original Message- From: Burr Sutter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 2:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tools in JSP Webgain Studio (www.webgain.com) has included and tweaked Macromedia's Dreamweaver product so that it will render the JSP components inside the WYSISWYG HTML editor. Once you see the results of the dynamic components you can then make design changes like placement and fonts. I've tested it with all the basic JSP elements including custom tags and beans using a Weblogic server (a single user version of the server comes with Studio) and it worked well. Studio also includes a copy of Cafe Enterprise Edition (the webgain folks purchased Cafe from Symantec) which can be used as a Java source editor and can stay sync'd up with Dreamweaver over the same JSP source code. Another neat trick. My experience was only as an evaluator so I've not seen this product under the heavy load created by tough project on a tight deadline. Burr [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Walker, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 7:47 AM Subject: Re: Tools in JSP No one of the things you list is essential on its own. There are several Java IDEs that are good for developing beans and servlets. The ability to debug server code is important here. But the big issue in server development is decoupling the design job from the programming job. My view is that the real need is for a web designer's tool that can make some effort at representing the output of JSP code and custom tags, so that the final appearance of the page can be designed. This is obviously a very difficult thing to do - in many cases it's impossible. Maybe there should be some protocol whereby programs embedded in HTML can tell an editor what the output might look like. Chris Walker Brainbench MVP for ASP http://www.brainbench.com -Original Message- From: Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 11:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tools in JSP Hi all, I have been seeing recently lot of mails on JSP tools. Can you please let me know what exactly you are looking for from a JSP tool. 1. Debugger which helps you in identifying errors at the time of translation. 2. Version control Team development 3. Modeling (!?) or Design 4. Costs 5. Light Web Test Server Environment like VisualAge. 6. Multiple colors to identify different tags at source-level. 7. Compatibility with differnt web/ app servers. 8. Formatting of source code 9. Database access support Let me know how these JSP tools really justify these issues. Also which feature of the JSP tool is more important. Thank you Rajan == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTE
Re: Tools in JSP
No one of the things you list is essential on its own. There are several Java IDEs that are good for developing beans and servlets. The ability to debug server code is important here. But the big issue in server development is decoupling the design job from the programming job. My view is that the real need is for a web designer's tool that can make some effort at representing the output of JSP code and custom tags, so that the final appearance of the page can be designed. This is obviously a very difficult thing to do - in many cases it's impossible. Maybe there should be some protocol whereby programs embedded in HTML can tell an editor what the output might look like. Chris Walker Brainbench MVP for ASP http://www.brainbench.com -Original Message- From: Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 11:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tools in JSP Hi all, I have been seeing recently lot of mails on JSP tools. Can you please let me know what exactly you are looking for from a JSP tool. 1. Debugger which helps you in identifying errors at the time of translation. 2. Version control Team development 3. Modeling (!?) or Design 4. Costs 5. Light Web Test Server Environment like VisualAge. 6. Multiple colors to identify different tags at source-level. 7. Compatibility with differnt web/ app servers. 8. Formatting of source code 9. Database access support Let me know how these JSP tools really justify these issues. Also which feature of the JSP tool is more important. Thank you Rajan == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: Tools in JSP
Hi Rajan, For me, I would like to have a tool that let me 1. visually create/design JSP (good GUI, database access buttons...) 2. conveniently modify code (colorful/well formating, preview/test page...) 3. easily debug the code (precise error message, run-time debugging...) 4. virtually manage file/version/bean ,and finally 5. compatibility (web servers, platform, ...) I have used (Symantec) Visual Cafe (database version) for applets before, and I think it is pretty convenient. Is there such tool exiting for JSP? Thanks!! Sherry --- Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have been seeing recently lot of mails on JSP tools. Can you please let me know what exactly you are looking for from a JSP tool. 1. Debugger which helps you in identifying errors at the time of translation. 2. Version control Team development 3. Modeling (!?) or Design 4. Costs 5. Light Web Test Server Environment like VisualAge. 6. Multiple colors to identify different tags at source-level. 7. Compatibility with differnt web/ app servers. 8. Formatting of source code 9. Database access support Let me know how these JSP tools really justify these issues. Also which feature of the JSP tool is more important. Thank you Rajan === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets __ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Tools in JSP
Hi all, I have been seeing recently lot of mails on JSP tools. Can you please let me know what exactly you are looking for from a JSP tool. 1. Debugger which helps you in identifying errors at the time of translation. 2. Version control Team development 3. Modeling (!?) or Design 4. Costs 5. Light Web Test Server Environment like VisualAge. 6. Multiple colors to identify different tags at source-level. 7. Compatibility with differnt web/ app servers. 8. Formatting of source code 9. Database access support Let me know how these JSP tools really justify these issues. Also which feature of the JSP tool is more important. Thank you Rajan === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Full text search tools for JSP
Hi, I'm investigating products that will be able to provide full text search of our JSP site's content. One requirement that file-based search tools don't seem to address is the complexity created by using %@ include % directives. (A similarity problem exists in sites using old-fashioned server-side include pages.) I'm currently leaning toward ht://dig (www.htdig.org), which solves this problem by acting more like a web robot and making its requests via HTTP. However I'd like to hear of some alternatives, especially if they have a Java API. System requirements: Solaris 2.6, NES 3.6, but a cross-platform solution would be best. Thanks for your input. Wes === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: Full text search tools for JSP
I'm currently leaning toward ht://dig (www.htdig.org), which solves this problem by acting more like a web robot and making its requests via HTTP. We're using ht://dig with some success. However, you may have problems if you site requires cookies or HTTPs, since neither are supported. David === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
design tools for jsp
Hi all: Im moving to JSP as a programmer and site designer, but after some time searching Ive been unable to find a tool with the capabilities that MS InterDev brings for ASP. Well, as a matter of fact I did found a couple of tools like that (Macromedias Drumbeat 2000 and IBMs WebSphere Studio), only problem is both of then requires you to have WebSphere App Server on the server side. I dont have WebSphere (and dont want to), but I still need a tool like that. I have also tried some of the newest Java IDEs (Suns Forte for Java and Borlands JBuilder 3.5) and yes, they have JSP capabilities, but are oriented to JSP programming and lack IMHO a lot of goodies needed for site design. All suggestions, comments, etc, will be greatly appreciated. Thanks J. === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
