Re: [jug-discussion] next language to learn?
Also, because of the message passing and functional nature, you don't have to worry about locking resources between the processes (threads). Makes a whole class of issues go away (and introduces a few other ones). On Jun 19, 2007, at 12:21 PM, Chad Woolley wrote: Since processors will be multiplying instead of speeding up in the future, I think erlang or something similar has got a lot of potential. Having the language handle multithreading for you is huge, given how hard it is in other languages. On 6/19/07, Thomas Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 10:08 AM 6/19/2007, you wrote: >On 6/19/07, Art Gramlich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Erlang - You should at least work through the tutorial for it (and if >>you haven't seen it watch the video where they do live updates to the >>system). > >I think you mean this: > >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5830318882717959520 > >It's hilarious - like programming meets Monty Python. Oh, my gawd!this has got to be a deliberate jokeit couldn't be this bad by accidentcould it? The production values are atrocious; the dialog is horrible; everyone is speaking in slow motion, stuttering, screwing up their lines; but, worst of all, you learn next-to-nothing about Erlang! It's not a collision with Monty Pythonit's a collision with those "educational" filmstripes from the 50's. -t - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [jug-discussion] next language to learn?
Since processors will be multiplying instead of speeding up in the future, I think erlang or something similar has got a lot of potential. Having the language handle multithreading for you is huge, given how hard it is in other languages. On 6/19/07, Thomas Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 10:08 AM 6/19/2007, you wrote: >On 6/19/07, Art Gramlich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Erlang - You should at least work through the tutorial for it (and if >>you haven't seen it watch the video where they do live updates to the >>system). > >I think you mean this: > >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5830318882717959520 > >It's hilarious - like programming meets Monty Python. Oh, my gawd!this has got to be a deliberate jokeit couldn't be this bad by accidentcould it? The production values are atrocious; the dialog is horrible; everyone is speaking in slow motion, stuttering, screwing up their lines; but, worst of all, you learn next-to-nothing about Erlang! It's not a collision with Monty Pythonit's a collision with those "educational" filmstripes from the 50's. -t - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] next language to learn?
Yup. That's it. On Jun 19, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Chad Woolley wrote: On 6/19/07, Art Gramlich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Erlang - You should at least work through the tutorial for it (and if you haven't seen it watch the video where they do live updates to the system). I think you mean this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5830318882717959520 It's hilarious - like programming meets Monty Python. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [jug-discussion] next language to learn?
At 10:08 AM 6/19/2007, you wrote: On 6/19/07, Art Gramlich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Erlang - You should at least work through the tutorial for it (and if you haven't seen it watch the video where they do live updates to the system). I think you mean this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5830318882717959520 It's hilarious - like programming meets Monty Python. Oh, my gawd!this has got to be a deliberate jokeit couldn't be this bad by accidentcould it? The production values are atrocious; the dialog is horrible; everyone is speaking in slow motion, stuttering, screwing up their lines; but, worst of all, you learn next-to-nothing about Erlang! It's not a collision with Monty Pythonit's a collision with those "educational" filmstripes from the 50's. -t - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] next language to learn?
On 6/19/07, Art Gramlich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Erlang - You should at least work through the tutorial for it (and if you haven't seen it watch the video where they do live updates to the system). I think you mean this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5830318882717959520 It's hilarious - like programming meets Monty Python. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] next language to learn?
So I'll pick up a few that no one has really mentioned yet. Erlang - You should at least work through the tutorial for it (and if you haven't seen it watch the video where they do live updates to the system). The concurrency model is truly amazing, and I haven't seen anything like it. It has changed how I've looked at "threading" in other applications. Smalltalk - I think (but many will disagree) that smalltalk has the best syntax out there and it truly treats everything as an object. I'm less pleased with the actual environments out there though. I was hoping that strongtalk would be moving ahead a little faster :-). Also, Seaside really is incredible for a traditional web application. On Jun 17, 2007, at 7:18 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: Hi all, I've posted up a little thing on my blog about what should be my next language, feel free to chime in (there or here). http://www.warneronstine.com/blog/articles/2007/06/17/next-language- to-learn -warner Warner Onstine - Programmer/Author New book on Tapestry 4! Tapestry 101 available at http://sourcebeat.com/books/ tapestrylive.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://warneronstine.com/blog - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [jug-discussion] next language to learn?
Wow, fantastic...thanks Andrew. And thanks to Bashar for the JScheme
reference also.
Here are some other Scheme references that might be useful:
Kawa: Scheme on top of Java VM:
http://www.gnu.org/software/kawa/Features.html
Schemers.org: which is "an improper list of Scheme resources" (nerd joke)
http://www.schemers.org/
SISC Scheme: a FULL R5RS implementation (unlike Kawa and JScheme)
http://sisc-scheme.org/
PLT Scheme: implementations of Scheme for learning (similar to
BlueJay for Java)
http://www.plt-scheme.org/
related link: online Scheme book "How To Design Programs" (which uses PLT)
http://www.htdp.org/
related link: Schematic Cookbook ("cookbook" Wiki with recipes for Scheme)
http://schemecookbook.org/
SLIB: portable Scheme library for standard Schemes (this page also
has immediate
reference to a dozen other Scheme implementations).
http://swissnet.ai.mit.edu/~jaffer/SLIB
Well, that should be enough to keep you busy...;)
regards
-tom
At 11:32 PM 6/18/2007, you wrote:
On 6/18/07, Thomas Hicks
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
3) Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs (2ed)
by Harold Abelson and Gerald Jay Sussman.
Not really *about* Scheme, uses Scheme for CS concepts.
This is available online (free):
http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html
Plus video lectures of Abelson & Sussman:
