Re: Juju patents

2017-11-14 Thread fengxia

I'm having difficulty understanding these patents.

Descriptions and diagrams are generic, with many "..." etc type of 
notions, "chef, puppet, juju, ...". Doesn't it make this open-ended, 
thus can include just about anything it wants?


Also, modeling a component then using them to form a service is a broad 
,general description. When it says topology, does it confine itself to 
**network topology**? cause the word "topology" can also be extended to 
anything that has a link/connection/relation. As long as the thing 
doesn't stand alone and work only by itself, it's part of some sort of 
topology, isn't it?


Anyone could chip in how to read and interpret these patents here? what 
could be the hypothetical impact on Juju and charms?



On 11/13/2017 04:34 AM, Merlijn Sebrechts wrote:

Hi all


Just got a scholar alert for three patents that seem to be describing 
Juju/TOSCA.


- "TOPOLOGY BASED MANAGEMENT WITH STAGE AND VERSION POLICIES": 
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2017/0302532.html
- "TOPOLOGY BASED MANAGEMENT WITH COMPLIANCE POLICIES": 
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2017/0302531.html
- TOPOLOGY BASED MANAGEMENT OF SECOND DAY OPERATIONS": 
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2017/0302537.html


These were filed in 2014 by HPE. Even with a grace period of one year, 
it's still more than a year after the first release of Juju and TOSCA. 
Is Canonical interested in fighting this?




Kind regards
Merlijn





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Re: Juju patents

2017-11-14 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 11/13/2017 09:34 AM, Merlijn Sebrechts wrote:
> Just got a scholar alert for three patents that seem to be describing
> Juju/TOSCA.
>
> - "TOPOLOGY BASED MANAGEMENT WITH STAGE AND VERSION
> POLICIES": http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2017/0302532.html
> - "TOPOLOGY BASED MANAGEMENT WITH COMPLIANCE
> POLICIES": http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2017/0302531.html
> - TOPOLOGY BASED MANAGEMENT OF SECOND DAY OPERATIONS":
> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2017/0302537.html
>
> These were filed in 2014 by HPE. Even with a grace period of one year,
> it's still more than a year after the first release of Juju and TOSCA.
> Is Canonical interested in fighting this?
>

Juju is covered by the Open Invention Network, so I wouldn't expect any
problems from HPE in this regard. If it's straightforward to notify the
patent office of prior art, then I'd be happy to facilitate that.

Mark


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