Re: Windows and --race tests are now gating

2016-07-11 Thread Aaron Bentley
On 2016-07-11 11:57 AM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
> On 11/07/16 09:26, Aaron Bentley wrote:
>> But is this week really any different from any other week? Won't there
>> always be something critical that has to land? 
> 
> I think it's fine to make it a plan that we will have Windows tests on
> for 2.0 GA, but at the moment we're focused on all the breaking changes
> to the APIs and those are not Windows-relevant.
> 
>>> With the race tests, we got all of
>>> those passing before turning on gating. We need to do the same for the 
>>> Windows
>>> tests. We need to deactivate gating on Windows at this stage.
>> But there are some tests that do pass under windows.  By disabling all
>> tests, we risk further regressions on Windows.  Instead, you could
>> disable the tests that don't pass (only when running under Windows, of
>> course), and then work to fix them.
> 
> Please do that now - leave the passing Windows tests in place and ask
> the Windows teams to enable further tests which we then add to the gate.

I have talked with Alexis and I'll work with her and the core team to
get that done.

Aaron



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Re: Windows and --race tests are now gating

2016-07-11 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 11/07/16 09:26, Aaron Bentley wrote:
> But is this week really any different from any other week? Won't there
> always be something critical that has to land? 

I think it's fine to make it a plan that we will have Windows tests on
for 2.0 GA, but at the moment we're focused on all the breaking changes
to the APIs and those are not Windows-relevant.

>> With the race tests, we got all of
>> those passing before turning on gating. We need to do the same for the 
>> Windows
>> tests. We need to deactivate gating on Windows at this stage.
> But there are some tests that do pass under windows.  By disabling all
> tests, we risk further regressions on Windows.  Instead, you could
> disable the tests that don't pass (only when running under Windows, of
> course), and then work to fix them.

Please do that now - leave the passing Windows tests in place and ask
the Windows teams to enable further tests which we then add to the gate.

Blocking all trunk landings with a chunk of known-failing tests is not
good practice.

Mark



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Re: Windows and --race tests are now gating

2016-07-11 Thread Aaron Bentley
On 2016-07-10 08:34 PM, Ian Booth wrote:
> Turning on gating for Windows tests before all tests were passing is premature
> and is now blocking us from landing critical fixes for beta12 that we need to
> release this week for inclusion into xenial.

Hey, this is why I pointed out that it would block all landings.  And
believe me, I double-checked that this was really what Torsten wanted.

But is this week really any different from any other week?  Won't there
always be something critical that has to land?

> With the race tests, we got all of
> those passing before turning on gating. We need to do the same for the Windows
> tests. We need to deactivate gating on Windows at this stage.

But there are some tests that do pass under windows.  By disabling all
tests, we risk further regressions on Windows.  Instead, you could
disable the tests that don't pass (only when running under Windows, of
course), and then work to fix them.

That way, we have a passing test suite and a way to work incrementally
on fixing the Windows testing instead of requiring a flag-day
coordinated change.

Aaron



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