Re: [JPP-Devel] GDAL reads and writes JUMP JML now

2014-10-22 Thread Larry Becker
Sounds like an idea whose time has come.  With GDAL support (in the MAXI
release) it would be possible to integrate the GUI tool from SkyJUMP that
uses ogr2ogr to to load any supported file format while reprojecting the
coordinate system.  See the attached screen shot. The main feature is the
exhaustive drop down list of coordinate systems that can be reduced by
typing a key word.

regards

Larry


On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 2:15 PM, edgar.sol...@web.de wrote:

 On 20.10.2014 12:30, edgar.sol...@web.de wrote:
  For testing the driver a GDAL from current trunk (revision r27882 or
 higher) is needed. Windows users can get ready made binaries from
 http://gisinternals.com/sdk/ by selecting some of the “development”
 versions. The GDAL tool to use is ogr2ogr http://gdal.org/ogr2ogr.html.
 As an example, for converting data from MapInfo tab into JML format the
 command to use is
  
  i will update PLUS snapshot as soon as possible
 

 scratch that.. there were mere 60 downloads of our GDAL-windows package

 https://sourceforge.net/projects/jump-pilot/files/OpenJUMP_plugins/Drivers/
 from sourceforge since january.
 maybe we should come up with a MAXI release integrating GDAL for the lazy
 crossing the 100MB border though.

 ..ede


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Re: [JPP-Devel] GDAL reads and writes JUMP JML now

2014-10-22 Thread edgar . soldin
hmm.. if you've already got it in SkyJUMP i am definitely on board.. let's port 
that... additionally we should have a converter (File-Convert) that'd allow to 
easily convert files within the restraints of ogr2ogr.. simply showing the 
error in a dialog if one occurs.

hmm.. as JML support is new, what does your extension read into SkyJUMP.. 
shapefiles?

..ede


On 22.10.2014 21:43, Larry Becker wrote:
 Sounds like an idea whose time has come.  With GDAL support (in the MAXI 
 release) it would be possible to integrate the GUI tool from SkyJUMP that 
 uses ogr2ogr to to load any supported file format while reprojecting the 
 coordinate system.  See the attached screen shot. The main feature is the 
 exhaustive drop down list of coordinate systems that can be reduced by typing 
 a key word.
 
 regards
 
 Larry
 
 
 On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 2:15 PM, edgar.sol...@web.de 
 mailto:edgar.sol...@web.de wrote:
 
 On 20.10.2014 12:30, edgar.sol...@web.de mailto:edgar.sol...@web.de 
 wrote:
  For testing the driver a GDAL from current trunk (revision r27882 or 
 higher) is needed. Windows users can get ready made binaries from 
 http://gisinternals.com/sdk/ by selecting some of the “development” versions. 
 The GDAL tool to use is ogr2ogr http://gdal.org/ogr2ogr.html. As an example, 
 for converting data from MapInfo tab into JML format the command to use is
  
  i will update PLUS snapshot as soon as possible
 
 
 scratch that.. there were mere 60 downloads of our GDAL-windows package
  
 https://sourceforge.net/projects/jump-pilot/files/OpenJUMP_plugins/Drivers/
 from sourceforge since january.
 maybe we should come up with a MAXI release integrating GDAL for the lazy 
 crossing the 100MB border though.
 
 ..ede
 
 
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Re: [JPP-Devel] GDAL reads and writes JUMP JML now

2014-10-22 Thread Larry Becker
You got me.  8-)  Jukka may be the last SkyJUMP user outside of the small
community of users it was built to support.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 2:46 PM, edgar.sol...@web.de wrote:

 On 22.10.2014 21:43, Larry Becker wrote:
  The main feature is the exhaustive drop down list of coordinate systems
 that can be reduced by typing a key word.

 not targeting Jukka at all : ..ede


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Re: [JPP-Devel] GDAL reads and writes JUMP JML now

2014-10-22 Thread Larry Becker
You can check it out as the sourceforge stand-alone project iGor

http://sourceforge.net/projects/ogr-igor/

It supports shapefiles now, but it should be easy to add the new JML
conversion support.

Larry

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 2:52 PM, edgar.sol...@web.de wrote:

 hmm.. if you've already got it in SkyJUMP i am definitely on board.. let's
 port that... additionally we should have a converter (File-Convert) that'd
 allow to easily convert files within the restraints of ogr2ogr.. simply
 showing the error in a dialog if one occurs.

 hmm.. as JML support is new, what does your extension read into SkyJUMP..
 shapefiles?

 ..ede


 On 22.10.2014 21:43, Larry Becker wrote:
  Sounds like an idea whose time has come.  With GDAL support (in the MAXI
 release) it would be possible to integrate the GUI tool from SkyJUMP that
 uses ogr2ogr to to load any supported file format while reprojecting the
 coordinate system.  See the attached screen shot. The main feature is the
 exhaustive drop down list of coordinate systems that can be reduced by
 typing a key word.
 
  regards
 
  Larry
 
 
  On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 2:15 PM, edgar.sol...@web.de mailto:
 edgar.sol...@web.de wrote:
 
  On 20.10.2014 12:30, edgar.sol...@web.de mailto:edgar.sol...@web.de
 wrote:
   For testing the driver a GDAL from current trunk (revision r27882
 or higher) is needed. Windows users can get ready made binaries from
 http://gisinternals.com/sdk/ by selecting some of the “development”
 versions. The GDAL tool to use is ogr2ogr http://gdal.org/ogr2ogr.html.
 As an example, for converting data from MapInfo tab into JML format the
 command to use is
   
   i will update PLUS snapshot as soon as possible
  
 
  scratch that.. there were mere 60 downloads of our GDAL-windows
 package
 
 https://sourceforge.net/projects/jump-pilot/files/OpenJUMP_plugins/Drivers/
  from sourceforge since january.
  maybe we should come up with a MAXI release integrating GDAL for the
 lazy crossing the 100MB border though.
 
  ..ede
 
 
  
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Re: [JPP-Devel] GDAL reads and writes JUMP JML now

2014-10-22 Thread edgar . soldin
hahhaa.. you could've sold me on accident, but now it's written down :))).. ede

On 22.10.2014 21:55, Larry Becker wrote:
 You got me.  8-)  Jukka may be the last SkyJUMP user outside of the small 
 community of users it was built to support.
 
 On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 2:46 PM, edgar.sol...@web.de 
 mailto:edgar.sol...@web.de wrote:
 
 On 22.10.2014 21:43, Larry Becker wrote:
  The main feature is the exhaustive drop down list of coordinate systems 
 that can be reduced by typing a key word.
 
 not targeting Jukka at all : ..ede
 
 
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Re: [JPP-Devel] GDAL reads and writes JUMP JML now

2014-10-22 Thread edgar . soldin
any other goodies. while we're at it you wanna see ported to OJ?

..ede

On 22.10.2014 22:01, Larry Becker wrote:
 You can check it out as the sourceforge stand-alone project iGor 
 
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/ogr-igor/
 
 It supports shapefiles now, but it should be easy to add the new JML 
 conversion support.
 
 Larry
 
 On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 2:52 PM, edgar.sol...@web.de 
 mailto:edgar.sol...@web.de wrote:
 
 hmm.. if you've already got it in SkyJUMP i am definitely on board.. 
 let's port that... additionally we should have a converter (File-Convert) 
 that'd allow to easily convert files within the restraints of ogr2ogr.. 
 simply showing the error in a dialog if one occurs.
 
 hmm.. as JML support is new, what does your extension read into SkyJUMP.. 
 shapefiles?
 
 ..ede
 
 
 On 22.10.2014 21:43, Larry Becker wrote:
  Sounds like an idea whose time has come.  With GDAL support (in the 
 MAXI release) it would be possible to integrate the GUI tool from SkyJUMP 
 that uses ogr2ogr to to load any supported file format while reprojecting the 
 coordinate system.  See the attached screen shot. The main feature is the 
 exhaustive drop down list of coordinate systems that can be reduced by typing 
 a key word.
 
  regards
 
  Larry
 
 
  On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 2:15 PM, edgar.sol...@web.de 
 mailto:edgar.sol...@web.de mailto:edgar.sol...@web.de 
 mailto:edgar.sol...@web.de wrote:
 
  On 20.10.2014 12:30, edgar.sol...@web.de 
 mailto:edgar.sol...@web.de mailto:edgar.sol...@web.de 
 mailto:edgar.sol...@web.de wrote:
   For testing the driver a GDAL from current trunk (revision 
 r27882 or higher) is needed. Windows users can get ready made binaries from 
 http://gisinternals.com/sdk/ by selecting some of the “development” versions. 
 The GDAL tool to use is ogr2ogr http://gdal.org/ogr2ogr.html. As an example, 
 for converting data from MapInfo tab into JML format the command to use is
   
   i will update PLUS snapshot as soon as possible
  
 
  scratch that.. there were mere 60 downloads of our GDAL-windows 
 package
   
 https://sourceforge.net/projects/jump-pilot/files/OpenJUMP_plugins/Drivers/
  from sourceforge since january.
  maybe we should come up with a MAXI release integrating GDAL for 
 the lazy crossing the 100MB border though.
 
  ..ede
 
  
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Re: [JPP-Devel] GDAL reads and writes JUMP JML now

2014-10-22 Thread Larry Becker
Well, there is the SJ layer context menu item Open in Google Earth that
uses OGR to translate the layer to KML and launches it in GE. Gimmicky, but
impressive. However, currently it only supports the UTM projection.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 3:13 PM, edgar.sol...@web.de wrote:

 any other goodies. while we're at it you wanna see ported to OJ?

 ..ede

 On 22.10.2014 22:01, Larry Becker wrote:
  You can check it out as the sourceforge stand-alone project iGor
 
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/ogr-igor/
 
  It supports shapefiles now, but it should be easy to add the new JML
 conversion support.
 
  Larry
 
  On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 2:52 PM, edgar.sol...@web.de mailto:
 edgar.sol...@web.de wrote:
 
  hmm.. if you've already got it in SkyJUMP i am definitely on board..
 let's port that... additionally we should have a converter (File-Convert)
 that'd allow to easily convert files within the restraints of ogr2ogr..
 simply showing the error in a dialog if one occurs.
 
  hmm.. as JML support is new, what does your extension read into
 SkyJUMP.. shapefiles?
 
  ..ede
 
 
  On 22.10.2014 21:43, Larry Becker wrote:
   Sounds like an idea whose time has come.  With GDAL support (in
 the MAXI release) it would be possible to integrate the GUI tool from
 SkyJUMP that uses ogr2ogr to to load any supported file format while
 reprojecting the coordinate system.  See the attached screen shot. The main
 feature is the exhaustive drop down list of coordinate systems that can be
 reduced by typing a key word.
  
   regards
  
   Larry
  
  
   On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 2:15 PM, edgar.sol...@web.de mailto:
 edgar.sol...@web.de mailto:edgar.sol...@web.de mailto:
 edgar.sol...@web.de wrote:
  
   On 20.10.2014 12:30, edgar.sol...@web.de mailto:
 edgar.sol...@web.de mailto:edgar.sol...@web.de mailto:
 edgar.sol...@web.de wrote:
For testing the driver a GDAL from current trunk (revision
 r27882 or higher) is needed. Windows users can get ready made binaries from
 http://gisinternals.com/sdk/ by selecting some of the “development”
 versions. The GDAL tool to use is ogr2ogr http://gdal.org/ogr2ogr.html.
 As an example, for converting data from MapInfo tab into JML format the
 command to use is

i will update PLUS snapshot as soon as possible
   
  
   scratch that.. there were mere 60 downloads of our
 GDAL-windows package
  
 https://sourceforge.net/projects/jump-pilot/files/OpenJUMP_plugins/Drivers/
   from sourceforge since january.
   maybe we should come up with a MAXI release integrating GDAL
 for the lazy crossing the 100MB border though.
  
   ..ede
  
  
  
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Re: [JPP-Devel] GDAL reads and writes JUMP JML now

2014-10-22 Thread Rahkonen Jukka (Tike)
Hi,

I like GDAL a lot and I use its vector and raster capabilities daily. It would 
also be unfair to sit in the Program steering committee of GDAL if I didn’t 
like it. However, I also like OpenJUMP and it feels important for me to keep it 
fully operational on Windows, Linux, and Mac (both 32 and 64 bit) with a 
minimal footprint. The current download size of 23 or 46 MB makes OpenJUMP 
really “A small Open Source GIS that can” as Martin Davis wrote. We do have 
less features and less users than QGIS but we also have only 43 open issues in 
bug tracker while QGIS seems to have 1184.

Because of simplicity I considered that making a JML driver into GDAL was 
better choice than to build a deeply integrated GDAL data store into OpenJUMP. 
Now it is possible to make format conversions totally outside OpenJUMP with 
native utilities and even the minimal OJ Core can enjoy the results.

That said, I for sure have nothing against making an OpenJUMP Maxi version with 
the integrated GUI tool. Both iGOR and the newest ogr2gui version 
http://www.ogr2gui.ca/en/index.php are brilliant. They also show what is the 
weakness: They are not so easy to build and install on all Windows/Linux/Mac, 
and they get old so soon. For example, JML driver is tagged to GDAL version 2.0 
and it probably takes a year before it is released and available for Linux from 
stable sources.

-Jukka Rahkonen-



Lähettäjä: Larry Becker [mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com]
Lähetetty: 22. lokakuuta 2014 22:44
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Aihe: Re: [JPP-Devel] GDAL reads and writes JUMP JML now

Sounds like an idea whose time has come.  With GDAL support (in the MAXI 
release) it would be possible to integrate the GUI tool from SkyJUMP that uses 
ogr2ogr to to load any supported file format while reprojecting the coordinate 
system.  See the attached screen shot. The main feature is the exhaustive drop 
down list of coordinate systems that can be reduced by typing a key word.
regards
Larry

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 2:15 PM, 
edgar.sol...@web.demailto:edgar.sol...@web.de wrote:
On 20.10.2014 12:30, edgar.sol...@web.demailto:edgar.sol...@web.de wrote:
 For testing the driver a GDAL from current trunk (revision r27882 or higher) 
 is needed. Windows users can get ready made binaries from 
 http://gisinternals.com/sdk/ by selecting some of the “development” 
 versions. The GDAL tool to use is ogr2ogr http://gdal.org/ogr2ogr.html. As 
 an example, for converting data from MapInfo tab into JML format the command 
 to use is
 
 i will update PLUS snapshot as soon as possible


scratch that.. there were mere 60 downloads of our GDAL-windows package
 https://sourceforge.net/projects/jump-pilot/files/OpenJUMP_plugins/Drivers/
from sourceforge since january.
maybe we should come up with a MAXI release integrating GDAL for the lazy 
crossing the 100MB border though.

..ede

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