[j-nsp] MX80 - restricted bundles and disabled 10G ports.
A question almost too obvious to ask, but can someone with one of the restricted MX80 bundles (which disables 2 of the 10G ports) confirm that ports 0/0/0 and 0/0/1 are the ones left enabled? I don't have a restricted one yet, and am trying to finish a standards doc. Thanksjust trying to avoid assumptions here. g David ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] MX80 - restricted bundles and disabled 10G ports.
Argh! Please tell me this is a joke! From: David Ball davidtb...@gmail.com To: Juniper-Nsp juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 9:46:45 AM Subject: [j-nsp] MX80 - restricted bundles and disabled 10G ports. A question almost too obvious to ask, but can someone with one of the restricted MX80 bundles (which disables 2 of the 10G ports) confirm that ports 0/0/0 and 0/0/1 are the ones left enabled? I don't have a restricted one yet, and am trying to finish a standards doc. Thanksjust trying to avoid assumptions here. g David ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] MX80 - restricted bundles and disabled 10G ports.
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 08:05:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Derick Winkworth dwinkwo...@att.net Sender: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net Argh! Please tell me this is a joke! From: David Ball davidtb...@gmail.com To: Juniper-Nsp juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 9:46:45 AM Subject: [j-nsp] MX80 - restricted bundles and disabled 10G ports. A question almost too obvious to ask, but can someone with one of the restricted MX80 bundles (which disables 2 of the 10G ports) confirm that ports 0/0/0 and 0/0/1 are the ones left enabled? I don't have a restricted one yet, and am trying to finish a standards doc. Thanksjust trying to avoid assumptions here. g David ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp Oh, it most certainly is a joke! A bad one. But that does not make it less real. Reminds me of 20 or 25 years ago when Digital came out with a cheap micro-VAX system that was identical to a much more expensive system with the exception of the epoxy with which they filled the expansion slots. The cost of a replacement Q-Bus backplane was far below the difference between the two systems, so guess what everyone was doing! That joke turned out to be on DEC. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: ober...@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] MX80 - restricted bundles and disabled 10G ports.
Think for a second what this means about the manufacturing cost of a 10G port if they can literally give 2 away. And then think about the profit margin on said ports when Juniper sells them for what? 6k or 7k each? Joe McGuckin ViaNet Communications j...@via.net 650-207-0372 cell 650-213-1302 office 650-969-2124 fax On Apr 12, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Kevin Oberman wrote: Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 08:05:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Derick Winkworth dwinkwo...@att.net Sender: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net Argh! Please tell me this is a joke! From: David Ball davidtb...@gmail.com To: Juniper-Nsp juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 9:46:45 AM Subject: [j-nsp] MX80 - restricted bundles and disabled 10G ports. A question almost too obvious to ask, but can someone with one of the restricted MX80 bundles (which disables 2 of the 10G ports) confirm that ports 0/0/0 and 0/0/1 are the ones left enabled? I don't have a restricted one yet, and am trying to finish a standards doc. Thanksjust trying to avoid assumptions here. g David ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp Oh, it most certainly is a joke! A bad one. But that does not make it less real. Reminds me of 20 or 25 years ago when Digital came out with a cheap micro-VAX system that was identical to a much more expensive system with the exception of the epoxy with which they filled the expansion slots. The cost of a replacement Q-Bus backplane was far below the difference between the two systems, so guess what everyone was doing! That joke turned out to be on DEC. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: ober...@es.netPhone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] MX80 - restricted bundles and disabled 10G ports.
Once upon a time, Richard A Steenbergen r...@e-gerbil.net said: If you ever thought that COGS had *anything* to do with the price that any vendor charges for a router, you were seriously mistaken. At least this method allows you to start out buying a smaller router, and upgrade later without doing a total hardware swap. Yep. This is far from the first time Juniper has done this. Remember the original J2300, with only one T1 port licensed? IIRC there are several SRX models with low/high RAM versions where it is just a license. The amount Juniper saves by not having to stock different hardware probably comes close to paying for the difference in manufacturing costs (and then a fair number of customers will upgrade by buying a license key over time to make up the difference). -- Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] MX80 - restricted bundles and disabled 10G ports.
True, but I think this demonstrates that we need more than 2.5 vendors in this market. On Apr 12, 2011, at 15:26, Richard A Steenbergen r...@e-gerbil.net wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:05:31AM -0700, joe mcguckin wrote: Think for a second what this means about the manufacturing cost of a 10G port if they can literally give 2 away. And then think about the profit margin on said ports when Juniper sells them for what? 6k or 7k each? If you ever thought that COGS had *anything* to do with the price that any vendor charges for a router, you were seriously mistaken. At least this method allows you to start out buying a smaller router, and upgrade later without doing a total hardware swap. -- Richard A Steenbergen r...@e-gerbil.net http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras GPG Key ID: 0xF8B12CBC (7535 7F59 8204 ED1F CC1C 53AF 4C41 5ECA F8B1 2CBC) ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
