[kde] Re: Can KDM run multiple instances of itself?
Allistar posted on Wed, 02 Mar 2011 13:07:13 +1300 as excerpted: > HB wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I want to upgrade my out-dated OS to a newer release, but it uses GDM >> which has been "improved" into uselessnes. If I were to upgrade and >> replace GDM with KDM, would I be able to run multiple instances of KDM? >> I need to have multiple log-in screens (3 by default) running. Also, >> is it possible to configure so that it loads on a specific VT? >> >> I want my new system to be configured the same as now, which is thus: >> >> VT 1-4 getty VT 5-7 Xorg/KDM VT 8-9 available VT 10-12 logs >> >> Is this possible with current version of KDM? > > It can with Kde 3.5, but not with KDE4 if you're also running Plasma > (which KDE4 does by default). Plasma cannot be run multiple times which > effectively broke the multi-screen capability of KDE. I run a triple > head setup and the only way to get this to work in a 3D accelerated > fashion is to run a different VM (e16) on the 3rd display. OK, I don't use a *dm (? desktop manager, the graphical login client) at all, preferring to login at the text prompt, and don't even have kdm installed (thus resulting in a dialog warning saying will not lock session as unlocking would be impossible, no greeter applet found, when I choose the lock desktop option from the plasma-desktop menu... the greeter applet is apparently the kdm login dialog), so obviously I don't know from personal experience here, but... Forgive me for saying so but while your statement may indeed be true of a single X instance in zaphod mode (multiple separate WM sessions on separate X screens of the same X instance), your post makes little sense in the context of this thread, multiple separate X instances, each in its own VT, with (if configured so) its own *dm. Either that or what /I/ understand of the topic may be incorrect, which is certainly possible, and by posting, hopefully my understanding will be corrected if necessary. Why would plasma's inability to run multiple times interfere with kdm, which is kde's *dm (X-based graphical login utility), and its ability (or not) to run on multiple login screens (on multiple X-controlled VTs), given that kdm by definition runs before the user login session starts, and thus before plasma (at least on that VT)? Meanwhile, triple-heads managed by the same X instance, as you appear to be talking about, really don't have a lot to do with multiple entirely different X sessions, each run on its own VT (normally sharing the same hardware keyboard(s)/mice/monitor(s), thus, VT, "virtual terminal" as opposed to simply terminal or physical terminal). Based on previous threads, multi-head "Zaphod mode", where each gets its own *dm on the same X instance, does indeed not work with kde4 (or at least plasma, as you indicate) at present, but IDR seeing any previous questions about multiple X instances, each in its own VT. It is indeed /quite/ possible that plasma won't work with that either, at least logged in as the same user, but it may be possible to login as different users on the different X sessions, since at least in theory, the different plasma sessions should then run /as/ the different users and one user's apps aren't normally supposed to be able to interfere with another's, especially at the CLI or when they're in entirely different X instances on separate VTs. So while your version of the question (multiple plasmas running on separate X-screens on the same X-instance) is to my knowledge indeed settled in the negative, this is, again to my knowledge, the first time the OP's version of the question (involving entirely separate X instances, each on its own VT, and kdm, not necessarily a kde logged-in session and thus not necessarily the plasma-desktop at all) has been asked. And it has (again to my knowledge) yet to be answered. Now, it /is/ possible that kdm now uses plasmoids in its greeter/login (I seem to remember discussion of this in some kde dev blog, but again, no personal kdm experience, so...), potentially making the answer the same for it as for plasma in general, but in that case the "if you're also running plasma" qualification is invalid, since kdm would then be a special case of the plasma general case and given the question is /about/ kdm, one would then be running plasma by definition. (However, this bit fails to stand up since the *dm is normally respawned as soon as it terminates, and if it's another plasma, the plasma-desktop session the user had chosen would then be a second plasma instance, which you say can't work, yet this does, so it's therefore safe to conclude that kdm is NOT a plasma instance at least to this degree, thus invalidating the whole possibility considered by this paragraph.) And FWIW, from what I've read, e16 normally refers to version 16 of the enlightenment window manager (WM), not some sort of virtual machine (VM). So as I said above, one or the other (maybe bo
[kde] Re: "Copy" in KMail picks up HTML formatting
John Phillips posted on Wed, 02 Mar 2011 13:51:08 +1100 as excerpted: > Running KMail 1.13.5 on Ubuntu 10.04. > > Ctrl C (copy) of part of an email picks up also the HTML formatting; > even when I copy an address and paste it into a filter. > > Never seen this happen elsewhere; how do I just copy the plain text? This has been reported in previous threads and is obviously a bug, but one that doesn't affect everyone. Here on Gentoo ~amd64, for instance, I've run every version of kde-4.x.y (with the exception of the last 4.5.y version, which I skipped, updating directly to 4.6.0 when it came out) since kde 4.2.4, with kmail as my regular mail client and have never seen this problem. My take on the issue is that it's likely something to do with interplay between specific versions of kdelibs, kdepim (which includes kmail, kaddressbook, etc), and akonadi. The problem is that kmail was initially supposed to transfer to using akonadi with 4.5.0, but it was deemed not yet ready (various commentary about the kdepim/kmail folks learning from the mistakes of the early kde4 releases, deemed far more ready for normal use by kde than the community in general, explicitly mentioned here but otherwise skipped), so since then, the stable kdepim release has stuck with the 4.4.x series and is now (as of a few days ago anyway) at 4.4.10, with all kdepim 4.5s and the current 4.6.0 not yet considered stable, while the rest of kde has continued the normal six-month feature monthly bugfix release cycle and is now on 4.6.0 (with 4.6.1 due...). Due to different stabilization cycles of the various distributions, it has thus been possible for various kde 4.5s (and now 4.6s) to be matched up to various kdepim 4.4.y (with y>=6, given 4.4.6 was the last unified kde/ kdepim release). I'm guessing that whatever combination you have, triggers the bug, while I've always kept very close to the latest release (kdelibs 4.6.0, kdepim 4.4.10) on all the packages I have installed, which will be better tested together and haven't seemed to exhibit this bug. Throw in the akonadi and various other support library versions as additional variables, and the number of permutations grows exponentially. Again, as I run Gentoo ~arch, I tend to be reasonably close to the leading edge on everything, while by definition, the six-month stable releases of the various binary distributions are already several months behind the latest releases of various components, at distribution release, due to the testing and integration time required for the distribution. Evidently, some mix of those, or possibly but not /as/ likely, a distribution patch added to one of those packages (or possibly a preventative patch added by Gentoo stopping it here), triggers the bug, so staying up with the latest as I try to do could well explain why I've never seen this bug, despite using the software quite regularly. Just my theory, but it matches the evidence available. But as I said, you're not the first to report it, so you're not alone in seeing the problem. Check earlier threads here and on the kde-linux list (the two kde lists I subscribe to so where I'd have seen them), if you're interested in the other reports. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Mounting flash disks with custom umask
I've got a flash disk that is automounting great. However, it's a vfat filesystem and I've got ssh keys stored on it, which means ssh complains about the file permissions not being 0600. If I mount the drive manually from the console with umask=077, then ssh is happy. How can I make KDE mount either just this flash drive (ideally) or all flash drives with a umask of 077? Alternatively, can someone describe how KDE mounts a disk? I'm running KDE 4.5 on Maverick. Thanks, Craig ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: "Copy" in KMail picks up HTML formatting
On Wednesday 02 March 2011 20:02:01 Duncan wrote: > Just my theory, but it matches the evidence available. > > But as I said, you're not the first to report it, so you're not alone in > seeing the problem. Check earlier threads here and on the kde-linux list > (the two kde lists I subscribe to so where I'd have seen them), if you're > interested in the other reports. Thanks for the reply! Looks like I live with it! ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: "Copy" in KMail picks up HTML formatting
Em quarta-feira 02 março 2011, John Phillips escreveu: > On Wednesday 02 March 2011 20:02:01 Duncan wrote: > > Just my theory, but it matches the evidence available. > > > > But as I said, you're not the first to report it, so you're not > > alone in seeing the problem. Check earlier threads here and on > > the kde-linux list (the two kde lists I subscribe to so where I'd > > have seen them), if you're interested in the other reports. > > Thanks for the reply! > > Looks like I live with it! See https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259468 It has been fixed, but I don't know in which version of KDE. Update to 4.6. []'s Marcelo ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: "Copy" in KMail picks up HTML formatting
On Wednesday 02 March 2011 02:51:08 John Phillips wrote: > Hi, > > Running KMail 1.13.5 on Ubuntu 10.04. > > Ctrl C (copy) of part of an email picks up also the HTML formatting; even > when I copy an address and paste it into a filter. > > Never seen this happen elsewhere; how do I just copy the plain text? > > ___ > This message is from the kde mailing list. > Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. > Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. > More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. This was fixed in the 4.4.10 release. John. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: "Copy" in KMail picks up HTML formatting
Am Dienstag, 1. März 2011, um 20:51:08 schrieb John Phillips: > Hi, > > Running KMail 1.13.5 on Ubuntu 10.04. > > Ctrl C (copy) of part of an email picks up also the HTML formatting; even > when I copy an address and paste it into a filter. > > Never seen this happen elsewhere; how do I just copy the plain text? On my end (Ubuntu 10.04LTS, KDE 4.4.5) I noticed this too. As a workaround I unchecked "prefer html over plain text" under folder for those folders I usually coppy text from. -- Talk to you later ... Hans (191 to go) 2011/03/02 16:50 EDDS 021650Z 06018KT CAVOK 06/M11 Q1023 NOSIG ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: "Copy" in KMail picks up HTML formatting
Em quarta-feira 02 março 2011, John Layt escreveu: > On Wednesday 02 March 2011 02:51:08 John Phillips wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Running KMail 1.13.5 on Ubuntu 10.04. > > > > Ctrl C (copy) of part of an email picks up also the HTML > > formatting; even when I copy an address and paste it into a > > filter. > > > > Never seen this happen elsewhere; how do I just copy the plain > > text? > > > > ___ > > This message is from the kde mailing list. > > Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. > > Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. > > More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. > > This was fixed in the 4.4.10 release. I don't think so. I'm running 4.5.3 and this bug is still here. I know this is the fixed release informed in the bug, but it's not fixed yet. Maybe it's because KDE PIM is not in sync with the rest of KDE? []'s Marcelo ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: "Copy" in KMail picks up HTML formatting
Em quarta-feira 02 março 2011, Hans Muecke escreveu: > Am Dienstag, 1. März 2011, um 20:51:08 schrieb John Phillips: > > Hi, > > > > Running KMail 1.13.5 on Ubuntu 10.04. > > > > Ctrl C (copy) of part of an email picks up also the HTML > > formatting; even when I copy an address and paste it into a > > filter. > > > > Never seen this happen elsewhere; how do I just copy the plain > > text? > > On my end (Ubuntu 10.04LTS, KDE 4.4.5) I noticed this too. As a > workaround I unchecked "prefer html over plain text" under folder > for those folders I usually coppy text from. I have noticed that this bug only affects text copied from the message viewer window / panel. So, other workarounds include typing V to show the source and copying from there, or clicking reply and copying from the composer window. []'s Marcelo ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Kopete notification placement
Is it possible to change the location of Kopete notifications? They show up at top-center of the screen and they often as not overlap and interfere with my focus there. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: Mounting flash disks with custom umask
Craig Howard posted on Tue, 01 Mar 2011 20:13:17 -0800 as excerpted: > I've got a flash disk that is automounting great. However, it's a vfat > filesystem and I've got ssh keys stored on it, which means ssh complains > about the file permissions not being 0600. If I mount the drive > manually from the console with umask=077, then ssh is happy. > > How can I make KDE mount either just this flash drive (ideally) or all > flash drives with a umask of 077? > > Alternatively, can someone describe how KDE mounts a disk? > > I'm running KDE 4.5 on Maverick. For automaounting, kde 4.5 still uses the deprecated hal, which is horrible to try to manually configure for such things as the *.fdi files are XML based so in addition to keeping straight the keys and values, you have to keep track of the XML formatting. Additionally, as I said, hal is deprecated and replaced in kde 4.6 with udisks based automounting, so you'll finally figure it out and get it all working the way you want, only to have the next update screw it up since it uses a different system, with its own configuration. That said, not a lot of people have much experience customizing the new kde 4.6 udisks based system... Possibly the simplest short-term fix, since you already know how to use mount at the CLI and aren't afraid to do so, would be to create an appropriate entry in /etc/fstab, setting the umask=077 mode there. hal ignores devices with entries in /etc/fstab, considering them reserved, for the sysadmin to handle, so it won't automount them (at least by default). That'll mean you'll have to handle mounting manually, but as you already know how to do that and it solves your ssh problem... Another alternative, of course, would be to copy the data on the USB that you need and then format it to a reasonable *ix based fs such as ext4 (probably with journaling turned off for flash disks). Of course that assumes you don't need to access the filesystem and content from MSWormOS or the like, but it'd allow proper permissions, etc, and in general should be more efficient than (V)FAT. Of course, depending on the size, you could fdisk/gdisk the device as well, creating several partitions, one that could remain VFAT, another ext4 or whatever, if that better fits your usage needs, too. Longer term, presumably with (k)ubuntu 11.4, which will presumably contain kde 4.6.x, you can look into udisk config and see how that works, but honestly, I'd not bother with hal at this point unless you /want/ to learn it now, only to have to relearn a new config style with udisks a few months from now. Or, you could of course add the appropriate package repos and/or build 4.6 yourself, and install that, then do the udisks thing, now, but of course that tends to have other issues since it's newer kde on an otherwise older platform, which tends to have bugs you won't get if you wait until it's actually shipped as part of a release, where everything's reasonably well tested together and should be close to the same age. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] kmail: skip own address in reply-to-all
Hi, is there a way to define several email addresses as 'my own email addresses', which are not included in the recipient list when I reply-to-all? I have more than one email accounts, all of these are forwareded to the same physical inbox, which I read by kmail. Thanks Daniel ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: kmail: skip own address in reply-to-all
On Wednesday 02 March 2011 19:50:20 Daniel Barna wrote: > Hi, > is there a way to define several email addresses as 'my own email > addresses', which are not included in the recipient list when I > reply-to-all? > > I have more than one email accounts, all of these are forwareded to the > same physical inbox, which I read by kmail. > So you have an entry in the Reply-to line of the setup page? If you leave that empty your replies will always go to the identity you were using for the thread. I'm not sure if this is what is causing your problem, as it is one I've never seen, nor seen reported by anyone else, but it's definitely worth checking. (FWIW, I too use several identities for different purposes, and I don't get this problem.) Anne -- New to KDE Software? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
