[kde] Re: pager insists on 2x2 layout
Duncan writes: > I believe I've seen similar, a few times. But I don't worry too much > about it and just let it stay at the default. For switching, I normally > use either the desktop-grid view (set to trigger when the mouse hits the > top-left corner of the desktop), or more frequently, simply scroll-wheel > on the desktop itself. > Meanwhile, there's also the individual keyboard shortcuts for each > desktop, if worse comes to worse. I don't use them much on my main > machine, but DO use them frequently on my 1024x600 resolution netbook, > where I have the checkbox set for kwin to maximize nearly everything, > including dialog windows, so the desktop is very rarely available to > scroll over. These are CTRL-F1 thru CTRL-F12 (up to 12 desktops) by > default, but I map them to Win-F1 (Meta-F1) upward instead, as the Win > key is what I map nearly all my windows and other kwin shortcuts to. Whoa, using the Win key for window-relates shortcuts is a really great idea! Actually, that's what I do too :) Finally a use for this dammn Windows key. So I'm using it much much more often than when I'm using Windows. I use Win-F1 to Win-F6 to change desktops, and with Win-Shift-F1 to Win-Shift-F6 I can send an application to the desired destination. Or make it sticky on all desktops with Win-Shift-Esc. The scrolling wheel works, too, but I don't use it at all, I think I better deactivate it. I also don't think like my remote desktop is my admin desktop plus three, instead I think 'admin' is 1, and 'remote' is 4. And I can switch with one keypress, instead of having to scroll the wheel exactly tree times. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: A week of KDE4 usage
Duncan writes: > Alex Schuster posted on Tue, 10 May 2011 22:48:36 +0200 as excerpted: > >> But htey were no power users. And thast was before KDE4. > > You were saying something about your spellchecker being broken. That's > too bad, as you NEED it. =:^) Nah, I'm putting in these errors deliberately until someone finally fixes the spllchckr bug :) Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: A week of KDE4 usage
On 05/10/2011 03:48 PM, Alex Schuster wrote: > I_do_ use thunderbird on Windows (right at the moment), and it also has > its problems. Like hanging when quitting, and eating 100% CPU time until > I kill it. And it tends to not remember that I want my folder views > threaded. But it's okay for me. > I haven't used any e-mail client in Windows in several years, but I haven't seen any of those issues in Linux/Kubuntu. -- "A good moral character is the first essential in a man." George Washington _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ . ._.. ... .._ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: A week of KDE4 usage
Alex Schuster posted on Tue, 10 May 2011 22:48:36 +0200 as excerpted: > Actually, I'm quite okay with kmail, although there's some more > problems. Sometimes it shows new mails in my IMAP inbox that I already > deleted, the solution is to log into my mail server, start mutt, and let > it purge these mails. It also hangs sometimes, especially if my IP had > changed, but that's not always the case. I close it, and if it doesn't > restart because there's still a hanging kontact process, I kill it. And > I avoid to delete IMAP folders, or I navigate really quickly out of the > folder, because if not kmail will crash. And I really would like to use > multiple tabs, but when other tabs are open, mail in those folders is > not being checked. Umm, > actually that's a lot of bugs. Maybe you are right, but I got used to > Kmail, and I tend to prefer the KDE application over other alternatives. IMAP has always been a challenge for kmail, unfortunately. It may be that it was designed for POP3 and the like first, and IMAP3 support was added, but by that time, kmail's code had calcified to the point that IMAP3 support never really fit and always had bugs. kmail2 /should/ be better in that regard, both because it's a whole new rewrite obviously with IMAP in mind, and because it's far more modular and should be easier to code and debug as a result. But as we've already discussed, current kmail is stuck in limboland ATM, while kmail2 gets the bugs (including in the conversion scripts) worked out. I'm hopeful that kmail2 and an updated kdepim will come with 4.7, and be worth the wait. =:^) Time will tell. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: A week of KDE4 usage
Alex Schuster posted on Tue, 10 May 2011 22:48:36 +0200 as excerpted: > But htey were no power users. And thast was before KDE4. You were saying something about your spellchecker being broken. That's too bad, as you NEED it. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: A week of KDE4 usage
Kevin Krammer writes: > On Tuesday, 2011-05-10, Alex Schuster wrote: > >> I never used a distribution list with kontact, so I tried this for >> myself. I created a new contact group 'Testgroup' in kaddressbook and >> added some people with their e-mail addresses. Kmail then knows about >> this Testgroup (it auto-completes it) - great, I think before KDE 4.6 >> addressbook and kmail did not exchange their data, Kmail did not know >> about the people in the address book. > > KMail had access to the addressbook from some version of the KDE2 cycle. > KAddressBook, KMail (and other applications, e.g. Kopete) basically read the > same files. But I rememer that auto-completion in Kmail did not work for addresses in Kaddressbook, and I'm pretty sure I read about this in a bug report. And that it's fixed now, which I can confirm. My friend who quit KDE4 also experienced this problem, but with a rather old version of KDE4 at that time. >> But when I send a test mail, >> nothing happens. It turned out that the mail is being sent to >> testgr...@myhost.my.domain, and not to the members. This seems to be a >> known bug that was already fixed, but it's happening again. [1] > > Could be a problem with the Nepomuk setup. > It might not be running or it might not have told about the contacts. At least Kmail autocompletes the name. >> So I had to first add the system tray plasmoid, then I could >> get the password and downlaod the file. > > Just for future occasions: > > kioclient copy ftp://someserver/somefile /some/local/dir Hmm, normally I do not know the name of 'somefile'. But I did not know about kioclient, that's a nice utility that will come handy I think! >> BTW, I wouldn't have been able >> to download it with dolphin anyway [3], because it has German umlauts in >> the file name. > > Might depend on the way your access FTP. If you have an ftp:// URL there > won't > be any problem no matter of character, because they needs to be encoded > anyway. I have an ftp://user@host/directory/ URL, the file name I don't know until I look into this directory. Dolphin shows the file with the correct name (including the umlaut), but insists the file does not exist when I try to download it. gftp show the file name in the remote folder as empty, but it is able to download the file. Dolphin now replaces the umlaut in the local file with a question mark in a black diamond, and still is not able to do anything with it. My system is UTF8, the files with umlauts are latin1. The shell also does not show the umlaut in the file name, it is replaced by two question marks. But I can access it by using tab completion or wildcards. Or I convert it with convmv -f latin1 -t utf8. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: No Krunner (Alt-F2) on fresh install of Kubuntu 11.04 (KDE 4.6.3)
Dotan Cohen posted on Tue, 10 May 2011 15:44:55 +0300 as excerpted:
> I have several stumbling blocks, but here is one:
> In a US keyboard variant called "Noah" I need to swap the locations of
> the "B" and Caps_Lock keys. I added this to the end of
> usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/us:
> xkb_symbols "noah" {
> name[Group1]= "USA - Noah Ergonomic";
> include "pc(noah)"
> key { [ b, B ] };
> key { [ Caps_Lock ] };
> };
>
> And I added this to the end of /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/pc:
> partial modifier_keys xkb_symbols "noah" {
>modifier_map Lock { };
> };
>
> However, now in the regular variant (not Noah) the B key is an
> additional Caps_Lock key! So typing the word "keyboard" returns
> "keybOARD". How can I restrict the redefined Caps_Lock key to only
> modify the Noah variant?
If you're trying to configure different models of physical keyboard,
that's accomplished thru xorg.conf(.d) hotplugging configuration, these
days (since xorg-server-1.8). You can even plug multiple keyboards in at
once and have them each IDed and assigned the appropriate variants as
necessary. =:^)
See the xorg.conf manpage, InputClass section. The various settings it
matches against can be found using lsusb (and see its manpage). That's
assuming USB keyboards, of course, I don't know how one would get info on
ps2 keyboards, but presumably if you're still using one, it stays plugged
into that port, so association with the ps2 port would probably do it by
itself. Not that I know for sure how to match that, but I could probably
figure it out with a bit of experimentation and documentation reading.
(That's one nice thing about buses like USB and PCI/PCIE. They were
designed for plug-N-play, so there's all sorts of info about each device
and its capacities detectable. The legacy ps/2 mouse and keyboard ports,
serial and parallel ports, and the REAL legacy AT keyboard port, don't as
commonly have this sort of information available, tho in some cases
characteristics of a device can be matched to known devices in a table
lookup.)
One InputClass section is created per keyboard (or pointing device) that
you need treated separately, with one or more "general" sections applying
to more than one keyboard, possible as well. In the event more than one
section matches a specific device and the same setting is set in each, the
last one wins, so you can set general stuff in a single section, then set
specific stuff in later sections (in files appearing later in the sequence
if using multiple files in xorg.conf.d).
If instead you're wanting different settings for the same device, perhaps
for different users, that's a bit different. xmodmap can be used there,
at runtime, either set to run when a user logs in, or setup using several
scripts that can be invoked as needed to switch settings. However, I
should mention that I've never actually used xmodmap myself, only read
about it. There's a manpage for it, tho...
There's also an app (referred to in the see also section of the xmodmap
manpage) called setxkbmap, but I don't have it or its manpage installed
and have never used it, so...
However, it appears that multiple physically different devices are what
you're doing, so the xorg.conf(.d) InputClass section stuff should be just
what you're looking for.
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[kde] Re: A week of KDE4 usage
Billie Walsh writes: > On 05/09/2011 06:49 PM, Alex Schuster wrote: >> I'm somewhat diesappointed with KDE4. I'm using it since 4.2, and it's >> become much much better - but still, there are just so many bugs. Is it >> just me, or it this normal? Would you suggest other people (being >> unskilled uses, not hackers) to use KDE4? What OS and desktop >> environment does your Mom's PC run? > > I've never hesitated to suggest Kubuntu to someone unfamiliar with > Linux. I usually tell them that there is a bit of a learning curve to > make the changeover. I suggest that they dual boot with whatever they > are using and play around with Kubuntu when they have some spare time > until they get used to it. That's pretty much how I made the switch from > Windows to Linux. After a while I realized that I hadn't booted into > Windows for weeks. I never looked back after that. I also suggested Windows people to give Linux a try, and they were okay with it. It works different, but for most purposes (mail, WWW, some word processor) there's no big difference. And they were happy that they no longer got their PCs infected by viruses or spyware. But htey were no power users. And thast was before KDE4. >> I never used a distribution list with kontact, so I tried this for >> myself. I created a new contact group 'Testgroup' in kaddressbook and >> added some people with their e-mail addresses. Kmail then knows about >> this Testgroup (it auto-completes it) - great, I think before KDE 4.6 >> addressbook and kmail did not exchange their data, Kmail did not know >> about the people in the address book. But when I send a test mail, >> nothing happens. It turned out that the mail is being sent to >> testgr...@myhost.my.domain, and not to the members. This seems to be a >> known bug that was already fixed, but it's happening again. [1] > > I tried Kmail once years ago and absolutely hated it. Haven't tried it > since, and with all the issues I read about on the help lists I wont > ever try it again. Actually, I'm quite okay with kmail, although there's some more problems. Sometimes it shows new mails in my IMAP inbox that I already deleted, the solution is to log into my mail server, start mutt, and let it purge these mails. It also hangs sometimes, especially if my IP had changed, but that's not always the case. I close it, and if it doesn't restart because there's still a hanging kontact process, I kill it. And I avoid to delete IMAP folders, or I navigate really quickly out of the folder, because if not kmail will crash. And I really would like to use multiple tabs, but when other tabs are open, mail in those folders is not being checked. Umm, actually that's a lot of bugs. Maybe you are right, but I got used to Kmail, and I tend to prefer the KDE application over other alternatives. > I used Thunderbird in Windows when it was first released. When I > switched over to Linux I continued to use Thunderbird. It just simply > works. No fuss, no muss. Creating a distribution list is very simple. I _do_ use thunderbird on Windows (right at the moment), and it also has its problems. Like hanging when quitting, and eating 100% CPU time until I kill it. And it tends to not remember that I want my folder views threaded. But it's okay for me. [FTP with dolphin] >> get the password and downlaod the file. BTW, I wouldn't have been able >> to download it with dolphin anyway [3], because it has German umlauts in >> the file name. > > I use Gftp. OK, I know it's not a "K" program, but it's much easier to > use that any of the "K" programs. Sorry. Save everything to the > bookmarks. One click and I'm ready to upload and download. Well, two > actually. One for the bookmark menu and one for the actual site. I keep > everything set up so that when I click on a site it changes the local > directory to where it's supposed to be as well as the remote directory. > It's simple. I'll have a look... ah, right, I've used in the past already. I guess there are lots of FTP frontends, but if you say it's working fine, why not use it. I have no problem with Gnome applications, although I would prefer to use dolphin if it were working correctly, as it integrates better into my KDE desktop. I thought about krusader, but there I find no bookmark facility. > One thing you mention, about the warning box's. I find that sometimes > they wind up behind anything else on the desktop. they should pop on top > of whatever, but By now I know about this effect, but when it first happened it took me a while to figure out what's going on. The application seemed to hang, and I killed it two times until I saw what was going on. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: No Krunner (Alt-F2) on fresh install of Kubuntu 11.04 (KDE 4.6.3)
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 15:05, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
>> If anyone knows how to configure meta keys in xkb I'd love to hear from
>> you on- or off-list (it's not a KDE problem). Thanks!
>
> I could per chance muddle thru it, but since standard US layout works for
> me (but for the "extra" keys on my inet/media keyboard, but they've "just
> worked" as well, since the last fight I had with hal and *.fdi files,
> anyway), I've not needed to get into that all that much.
>
I have several stumbling blocks, but here is one:
In a US keyboard variant called "Noah" I need to swap the locations of
the "B" and Caps_Lock keys. I added this to the end of
usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/us:
xkb_symbols "noah" {
name[Group1]= "USA - Noah Ergonomic";
include "pc(noah)"
key { [ b, B ] };
key { [ Caps_Lock ] };
};
And I added this to the end of /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/pc:
partial modifier_keys
xkb_symbols "noah" {
modifier_map Lock { };
};
However, now in the regular variant (not Noah) the B key is an
additional Caps_Lock key! So typing the word "keyboard" returns
"keybOARD". How can I restrict the redefined Caps_Lock key to only
modify the Noah variant?
> Have you tried kcontrol (umm, systemsettings that in general aren't
> systemsettings, but user-specific kde settings), hardware, input devices,
> keyboard, advanced tab? In addition to the obvious settings under alt/win
> key behavior, check the compose key section and the sections that set the
> keys that change to the various levels, as they can use one or both alt
> keys.
>
Thanks, but I do need the Noah layout to be either an additional
variant of US or it's own layout as I need the standard US layout (and
two others) to be available for on-the-fly switching.
Thanks!
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[kde] Re: No Krunner (Alt-F2) on fresh install of Kubuntu 11.04 (KDE 4.6.3)
Dotan Cohen posted on Tue, 10 May 2011 14:36:19 +0300 as excerpted: > Duncan, it turns out to actually be in fact problem with the keyboard > layout! I wrote my own, but Alt (and some other keys) are broken: > http://dotancohen.com/eng/noah_ergonomic_keyboard_layout.html I /thought/ it might be. Given that the keyboards worked, and the not uncommon but not /too/ common use of both alt and function keys, that was the next place to look. Thus the xev and kde shortcuts detection diagnostics. > If anyone knows how to configure meta keys in xkb I'd love to hear from > you on- or off-list (it's not a KDE problem). Thanks! I could per chance muddle thru it, but since standard US layout works for me (but for the "extra" keys on my inet/media keyboard, but they've "just worked" as well, since the last fight I had with hal and *.fdi files, anyway), I've not needed to get into that all that much. However, on the off chance you've missed this since it's an easy fix if it works... Have you tried kcontrol (umm, systemsettings that in general aren't systemsettings, but user-specific kde settings), hardware, input devices, keyboard, advanced tab? In addition to the obvious settings under alt/win key behavior, check the compose key section and the sections that set the keys that change to the various levels, as they can use one or both alt keys. It may be that you can set/unset whatever there as necessary and be done with it... -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: No Krunner (Alt-F2) on fresh install of Kubuntu 11.04 (KDE 4.6.3)
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 05:42, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Dotan Cohen posted on Tue, 10 May 2011 00:58:57 +0300 as excerpted: > >> On a fresh install of Kubuntu 11.04 (KDE 4.6.3) I cannot access Krunner >> or any other Alt-F* shortcuts. What might be the cause of this? The >> keyboard works fine, tested on another computer, and I tried a second >> keyboard here as well. > > It may be that for some reason it's using a keyboard mapping your not used > to, and for instance, alt and ctrl are reversed, or one alt key is mapped > to something other than alt. > > Try running xev from a konsole window, then hitting keys to see how they > are registered. (Keypresses and mouse movement and keys will be output to > the konsole window.) > > If they're showing up there as expected (see the keysym parenthetical in > the middle of the third line of each key event, to see what X is > interpreting it as), the next question is what is kde doing with them? > > In kcontrol (systemsettings that aren't systemsettings, they're user- > specific kde specific settings!), common appearance and behavior, global > keyboard shortcuts, select run command interface from the dropdown, and > click on run command, to see its settings. > > You can also try changing them. Hit the button beside the custom radio- > button and enter the key you want to use. If you hit a modifier like alt, > it'll show up with a plus beside it, indicating that you need to hit a non- > modifier key as well. In this way you can both test to be sure that kde > is actually seeing the various keys and see what they show up as, AND > remap to some other shortcut, if necessary. > > You can similarly remap the other alt-F* shortcuts, if necessary. > > Hopefully you'll be able to take it from there, or at least report > results, if not. The big questions are (1) is X seeing the keys and what > is it reporting them as, assuming it does see them, and (2) what is kde > doing with these keys? These procedures are what I first turn to, to > diagnose such problems. Fixing them... well, let's see what the diagnosis > shows, first. > Duncan, it turns out to actually be in fact problem with the keyboard layout! I wrote my own, but Alt (and some other keys) are broken: http://dotancohen.com/eng/noah_ergonomic_keyboard_layout.html If anyone knows how to configure meta keys in xkb I'd love to hear from you on- or off-list (it's not a KDE problem). Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: A week of KDE4 usage
Hi :) On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 1:49 AM, Alex Schuster wrote: > > Hi there! > > [Oh, this has become rather lengthy. It's a description of my various > problems with KDE4, the details are not so important, no need to read it > all. My question is: Are your experiences similar to mine?] No and yes. My experiences WERE similar (not any more :) The thing is that the issues I had with KDE SC stability/hiccups/whatever were on a certain distro. When I switched distro ... KDE SC was stable. I have not had any stability issues with KDE SC on ArchLinux. Previously I was running openSUSE, Mandriva, ... Same KDE SC versions. With ArchLinux I have had NO issues whatsoever since KDE SC 4.2. Stability issues that is. As you say, maybe some features are missing ... but whn I'm at work with Windows ... I also miss some features (hell ... I miss ALL the features I have in my ArchLinux + KDE SC at home ;) So the thing is: have you tried another distro? Honestly, change distros and you'll see that KDE SC isn't as bad as you think. > I'm somewhat diesappointed with KDE4. I'm using it since 4.2, and it's > become much much better - but still, there are just so many bugs. Is it > just me, or it this normal? Would you suggest other people (being > unskilled uses, not hackers) to use KDE4? What OS and desktop > environment does your Mom's PC run? Yes, I do suggest other people to use KDE. OK, OK, ... ArchLinux, Debian, Gentoo, Slackware, ... are "difficult" to use. You can't get your dad/mom/aunt/whatever to use it. TBH, that's BS. My sister in law is running ArchLinux on an ACER ONE 800 KM from me. She has NO idea of computers (much less Linux). What I did was install ArchLinux with KDE SC on her netbook on the weekend, she left on Sunday ... and hasn't had an issue in over 2 years. Just one "support call" because she changed DSL provider and the guy that came to install the DSL didn't know Linux. She called me, told her to start a konsole, su -, /etc/rc.d/network stop, /etc/rc.d/network start ... WOW !! I can browse the web again !!! That's all it took. She listens to music, edits her own videos, edits her own music, browses the web, watches movies, ... Oh, BTW, she's an aerobics instructor ;) My small sister ... same case, but with Debian. ex-girlfriend ... same case with Gentoo (maybe that's why she's an ex-girlfriend ;) My wife: ArchLinux + KDE SC ... I work 100 KM from home and travel a lot. Support calls since she uses KDE SC 4.2? None ... The trick is to setup the computer with all the stuff they need. It's stable, it works, no virus, ... no calls :) In the openSUSE Spanish mailing list, there have been all types of regrets towards KDE 4 ... how many have tried KDE on another distro ? ... But people keep on ranting that it's KDE's fault. That's not true. We all know that distros usually add some "features" to "help" you and "make your life easier and nicer". Honestly, try ArchLinux. It just works. Maybe you have to spend a whole weekend installing it and configuring it. But once it's up and running ... you never ever configure it again: it's a rolling distro :) And I've run ArchLinux + KDE SC with and wothout the official closed source ATI catalyst drivers. No stability issue whether I used catalyst or not. I have Arch on AMD64, AMD 32 bit, Intel Atom, Intel Centrino. NVIDIA, ATI and Intel GPUs are what these computers have. FLOSS and closed source for NVIDIA and ATI, no stability issues. OK, so you're not going to switch to a new distro, fair enough ... What about your hardware? Are you sure it's stable, well configured, ... I've seen people ranting about how unstable Linux is ... the reason was flaky hardware: cheap RAM, wrong HDD cables (specially during the PATA timeframe), ... Check the hardware. On the other hand, KDE SC is not perfect. We all agree with that: Human Made ;) And yes, I do have a "wish list", but before ranting about KDE ... maybe you should chek whether it's KDE's fault or not. Honestly, check your hardware and try another distro ;) MHO Rafa ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
