[kde] application in the dashboard?
What is the command line to launch an application in the dashboard? Say, firefox. thank you Paolo ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] [Okular-devel] [Bug 267350] filling out a PDF form saves data to some file i ~/.kde/share/apps/okular/docdata/
On Saturday, 2012-01-14, Dan Armbrust wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Kevin Krammer kevin.kram...@gmx.at wrote: When introducing a new party to a converstation, in this case the KDE user mailinglist, it is usually very helpful to provide context to said new party. When the discussion has happened on one mailinglist so far, a good way to do that is to provide a link to the discussion start in the original mailinglist's archive. Apologies, I thought I included the kde list in the initial posts, which had the summary info. It must not have gone through. Ah, I see. Thanks for the links. In short,if you: Download a PDF. Fill in personal information. Print it. Close it. Never once even hitting save... Okular dumps every bit of data that you typed into a clear text file in a hidden directory. At a minimum, its really bad behavior. At worst, on say, a library terminal, it is opening up every unsuspecting user to having their information stolen. Hmm. Most software with autocompletion support does that. E.g. browsers, email programs. So my guess is that the completion data is not stored in kwallet, like e.g. for Konqueror? There is no warning, notice, or any such clue within ocular that it is doing this. Its a pretty basic user-interface paradigm that you shouldn't store data like that without the users permission. Well, I've to admit I've never seen any program doing that. When I fill in forms in e.g. Firefox or Konqueror, it doesn't say anything along those lines either, but when I am filling in the same form later again, it somehow can propose reasonable values for certain fields. So my guess is it also stores my previous input somewhere. Hopefullly locally like Okular and not uploading to the server! Especially in an application that handles PDF files, which are used for private and personal stuff all the time. See above. At least most of my online bookings contain personal data. How do you handle those cases? Anyway, I agree that the completion data should probably be saved in an encrypted file, e.g. KWallet, instead of plain text to mitigate the exposing data in case the security of the user's local storage is compromised. However I don't see any facts supporting the claim of virus like behavior. IMHO that sounds a bit like trying to trigger an emotional rather than an rational response in readers of that posting, which ultimately tends to hurt the cause more than it helps. E.g. other supportes of the cause might find out they have been tricked and withdraw their support inspite of still being concerned about core issues. I would recommend lobbying for secure storage of form completion data like other form completing programs do. Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] [Okular-devel] [Bug 267350] filling out a PDF form saves data to some file i ~/.kde/share/apps/okular/docdata/
Hmm. Most software with autocompletion support does that. E.g. browsers, email programs. They also ask your permission first. And they have an off switch. And, they definitely don't autocomplete fields which are know to contain private info - aka - passwords. Unless you go through another dialog telling it to remember the password. And they give you a menu option to clear it. And, most browsers now have a don't remember anything mode. Okular has none of those. However I don't see any facts supporting the claim of virus like behavior. Hiding users data without permission and without the users knowledge certainly is virus like behavior. If they didn't click save, you shouldn't save. Its pretty simple. I would recommend lobbying for secure storage of form completion data like other form completing programs do. I doubt it would help. The feature is so mis-conceived from the get-go that it serves almost no purpose. There is almost no point in storing form data for Form A in randomly named File B. If you even rename file A, Okular gets confused and can no longer associate the data from File B with Form A. Don't even think about trying to sent Form A to another person... it doesn't work. The only way it could be properly implemented is to store the data in the actual PDF file, where it belongs. But that is hard. So it seems unlikely that it will ever be implemented in the near future. The only sane thing to do is to turn the feature off. At least by default. At least give the user some control over it. Which I suggested 2 years ago. And here we _still_ are. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] [Okular-devel] [Bug 267350] filling out a PDF form saves data to some file i ~/.kde/share/apps/okular/docdata/
On Sunday, 2012-01-15, Dan Armbrust wrote: Hmm. Most software with autocompletion support does that. E.g. browsers, email programs. They also ask your permission first. Interesting. Neither Konqueror, Firefox, KMail or Thunderbird have asked me whether I wanted to store form data. Can you attach a screenshot of an application asking that? And they have an off switch. And, they definitely don't autocomplete fields which are know to contain private info - aka - passwords. Unless you go through another dialog telling it to remember the password. And they give you a menu option to clear it. And, most browsers now have a don't remember anything mode. Okular has none of those. Right, hence the recommendation for lobby for an implementation doing that. However I don't see any facts supporting the claim of virus like behavior. Hiding users data without permission and without the users knowledge certainly is virus like behavior. No, virus behavior is attaching itself with the purpose of distribution and spreading. I don't think Okular is doing either. If they didn't click save, you shouldn't save. Its pretty simple. Well, even some document creation applications are moving to an autosafe approach. I am not aware of any application with autocompletion fields which asked whether to save the autocompletion data. But again my own experience is limited to the applications I use, which KDE and Mozilla programs. I would recommend lobbying for secure storage of form completion data like other form completing programs do. I doubt it would help. I wouldn't be so sure. Securely storing form completion data is what lots of other programs do, so find it likely that moving from a plain text storage to an encrypted storage would find support especially among users of that features, while asking for removal will not. The feature is so mis-conceived from the get-go that it serves almost no purpose. Hmm. I haven't used Okular's implementation yet but generally I find form completion support to be rather useful. I used it all the times when filling in web forms or completing email addresses. There is almost no point in storing form data for Form A in randomly named File B. Right, hence the suggestion to ask for an implementation using standard form completion storage solutions, e.g. on KDE that would be KWallet. If you even rename file A, Okular gets confused and can no longer associate the data from File B with Form A. Right, using URIs works better for web sites. File A's SHA1 hash might be sufficiently unique though. Don't even think about trying to sent Form A to another person... it doesn't work. The only way it could be properly implemented is to store the data in the actual PDF file, where it belongs. But that is hard. So it seems unlikely that it will ever be implemented in the near future. Right, I would consider that an additional feature. Treating the current document more as a template for creating a new document. Such a feature should probably deploy explicit saving since it changes the document at hand. The only sane thing to do is to turn the feature off. At least by default. At least give the user some control over it. Which I suggested 2 years ago. And here we _still_ are. My guess is that asking for deactivation or removal of a feature cherished by other users and found in other form displaying programs will always be met with more resistance than asking for an improved implementation, e.g. how browsers do it. Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] [Okular-devel] [Bug 267350] filling out a PDF form saves data to some file i ~/.kde/share/apps/okular/docdata/
Am 15.01.2012 18:08, schrieb Kevin Krammer: On Sunday, 2012-01-15, Dan Armbrust wrote: Hmm. Most software with autocompletion support does that. E.g. browsers, email programs. They also ask your permission first. Interesting. Neither Konqueror, Firefox, KMail or Thunderbird have asked me whether I wanted to store form data. Can you attach a screenshot of an application asking that? Mircosofts Internet explorer is doing it. The first time you start editing filed it asks if the data should be stored. Usually the user say yes and will never be asked again. I am not sure if there is a hint where data are stored and what problems may be involved by this. Regards Martin ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] [Okular-devel] [Bug 267350] filling out a PDF form saves data to some file i ~/.kde/share/apps/okular/docdata/
It is an important issue. Specially under countries protecting personal data by law, like spain for example in where law says personal data belongs to the person it refers to instead of the company or program having it. Despite it being free software I think it should be fair at least protecting that data or warning user about this issue. On Jan 15, 2012 7:31 PM, Martin (KDE) k...@fahrendorf.de wrote: Am 15.01.2012 18:08, schrieb Kevin Krammer: On Sunday, 2012-01-15, Dan Armbrust wrote: Hmm. Most software with autocompletion support does that. E.g. browsers, email programs. They also ask your permission first. Interesting. Neither Konqueror, Firefox, KMail or Thunderbird have asked me whether I wanted to store form data. Can you attach a screenshot of an application asking that? Mircosofts Internet explorer is doing it. The first time you start editing filed it asks if the data should be stored. Usually the user say yes and will never be asked again. I am not sure if there is a hint where data are stored and what problems may be involved by this. Regards Martin ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
