Re: [kde] Cursing on Planet KDE
On Sunday, 2012-08-12, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Where are the guidelines for proper behaviour for blogs in Planet KDE? > I would like to review them to see how they handle off-topic and > vulgar posts. I don't see a link to any guidelines or code of conduct > from the http://planetkde.org/ website. http://www.kde.org/code-of-conduct/ Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Cursing on Planet KDE
On 12 Aug 2012 06:32, "Dotan Cohen" wrote: > > Where are the guidelines for proper behaviour for blogs in Planet KDE? > I would like to review them to see how they handle off-topic and > vulgar posts. I don't see a link to any guidelines or code of conduct > from the http://planetkde.org/ website. > > Thanks. > > -- > Dotan Cohen If you click on the "Add your blog" link at the top of the Planet home page then you get the policy guidelines and a link to the Code of Conduct. If there is a particular blog you have an issue with then please be as polite as possible if you choose to contact the author, a gentle reminder of the rules and reasons why always works better than outrage and confrontation. Alternatively it may be better to contact the Community Working Group and have them deal with the issue, they have more experience in such things, but it may also be seen as an unnecessary escalation if it is a very minor issue. John. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Cursing on Planet KDE
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 11:36 AM, John Layt wrote: > If you click on the "Add your blog" link at the top of the Planet home page > then you get the policy guidelines and a link to the Code of Conduct. If > there is a particular blog you have an issue with then please be as polite > as possible if you choose to contact the author, a gentle reminder of the > rules and reasons why always works better than outrage and confrontation. > Alternatively it may be better to contact the Community Working Group and > have them deal with the issue, they have more experience in such things, but > it may also be seen as an unnecessary escalation if it is a very minor > issue. > > John. > Thank you John. I do intend to contact the author politely with a link to the appropriate document. I was deliberately vague and non-specific when mentioning a possible violation quite in order to not make it obvious to which blog I am referring. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Cursing on Planet KDE
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Kevin Krammer wrote: > http://www.kde.org/code-of-conduct/ > > Cheers, > Kevin Thanks. Have a great week. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Cursing on Planet KDE
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Kevin Krammer wrote: > http://www.kde.org/code-of-conduct/ > I note the fact that profanity and off topic posts to PlanetKDE are not addressed in that document. This could be construed as meaning that such posts are acceptable. Should I bring this up on the forums? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Cursing on Planet KDE
Dotan Cohen posted on Sun, 12 Aug 2012 08:31:38 +0300 as excerpted: > Where are the guidelines for proper behaviour for blogs in Planet KDE? I > would like to review them to see how they handle off-topic and vulgar > posts. I don't see a link to any guidelines or code of conduct from the > http://planetkde.org/ website. [It's worth noting here that I have no knowledge of any kde specific planet policy. The below is simply written to the general case, with kde, where specifically mentioned, only used as the example at hand. If I were responding on a gentoo list (given I'm a gentooer), I'd have gentoo instead of kde in all those spots, as I know they have a planet too, as I'm subscribed to its feed!) It's worth noting that planets are, by definition[1] simply aggregators and relinkers/republishers of various entries published on members' personal blogs. I believe the usual mechanism is that the aggregator is pointed at individual blog-feeds, where it matches against tags of choice. Thus planetkde would of course match any posts tagged kde, on members' blogs. Members can thus publish whatever they want on their blogs, since it's normally their blog, not (normally[2]) the blog of whatever planet may happen to be aggregating it as well. It's only via the choice of tag-as- kde-or-not that the choice of whether it appears on kdeplanet or not is made. Once that is understood, it can also be understood why planet policy in practice tends toward the tolerant, since it's often hard enough to get people (at least many devs, who after all are likely to reason that they could be working on the software in question instead of blogging about it) regularly blogging and thus providing content in the first place, so in practice, a policy recommending applying the tag "if in doubt" is likely to be the case. Additionally, I think some blogs automate the tagging, at least within a given set of keywords, so if for instance "kde" appears anywhere in the post, it'll get auto-tagged "kde", and thus appear on the planet. So "off-topic" posts appearing on a planet (kde's or not) is actually quite likely, especially if the policy encourages sharing one's interests as well, as many communities do in ordered to facilitate humanizing people who after all very possibly only known "in cyberspace", at least for the first couple years, until they get active enough to start going to various sprints or at LEAST kde release parties (like the ones recently held for 4.9). Offensive (as opposed to simply off topic) posts are of course different. Of course it's possible to find people that will find anything at all offensive, but you believe that it really is offensive in general (racially, sexually, threatening content, etc), I'd suggest bringing it to the attention of the appropriate kde community relations folks, who can either deal with it from there or direct you appropriately. Meanwhile, hopefully Kevin or Linda or Anne or someone else from kde will respond with a pointer to kde-specific policies, etc. I could probably go look on the site and find either a policy or a contact to email, but I'd have to look, and you're a regular so I guess should be as generally able to find it as I can. If it were me and it were urgent, I'd probably mail one or more of them privately. Kevin and Anne's addresses should both be available on-list, and Linda's would be on the KDE site I guess. She's the one that I've seen acting on KDE's behalf to defuse various conflict situations before, so if it's serious, that's who I'd be looking up, here. If it's more curiosity than anything, I'd wait and see if Kevin replies, as he's the kde guy I've seen around these lists the most. footnotes: [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_(software) [2] An organization hosting a planet does often additionally provide hosting for members that don't have their own, and CoC or other policies may apply there, but those policies may or may not directly correspond to the ones applied to the planet in general. From the planet perspective, where the content to be aggregated is actually source-hosted is simply an arbitrary technical detail. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Cursing on Planet KDE
On Sunday, 2012-08-12, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Kevin Krammer wrote: > > http://www.kde.org/code-of-conduct/ > > I note the fact that profanity and off topic posts to PlanetKDE are > not addressed in that document. This could be construed as meaning > that such posts are acceptable. Should I bring this up on the forums? I don't think there is any topic enforcement. Do you have an example of such a blog entry? Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Cursing on Planet KDE
Upon further inspection, it appears that the offending blog was not associated with PlanetKDE but rather was being put into the same folder by my feed reader. I apologise for the noise. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Cursing on Planet KDE
Dotan Cohen posted on Sun, 12 Aug 2012 19:47:10 +0300 as excerpted: > Upon further inspection, it appears that the offending blog was not > associated with PlanetKDE but rather was being put into the same folder > by my feed reader. I apologise for the noise. Oy! I /hate/ it when that happens! Thanks for the followup. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Cursing on Planet KDE
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/08/12 17:47, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Upon further inspection, it appears that the offending blog was > not associated with PlanetKDE but rather was being put into the > same folder by my feed reader. I apologise for the noise. > Glad it wasn't our offence :-) - all the same, if you see anything on any KDE site that you think is questionable, in any reasonable sense, don't be afraid to bring it to our attention. As Duncan hinted, the Community Working Group email address is community...@kde.org, and someone from the CWG could pick this up and have a quiet word with whoever is involved. Alternatively, contact me off-list and I'll see that the word gets to whoever can deal with the matter. Lydia is super-busy at the moment, but there will always be someone available to deal with such things. Even if we are talking of an aggregated blog, it's possible for us to contact the blogger and point out where the line of acceptability exists :-) Anne -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAn/jQACgkQj93fyh4cnBf/qwCeJ4WIasW/l+4zUkvPc1dKixTS vQMAoIDbs1CK4g78bKYZmvWLGs2zPDJd =TSOh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Cursing on Planet KDE
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Dotan Cohen posted on Sun, 12 Aug 2012 19:47:10 +0300 as excerpted: > >> Upon further inspection, it appears that the offending blog was not >> associated with PlanetKDE but rather was being put into the same folder >> by my feed reader. I apologise for the noise. > > Oy! I /hate/ it when that happens! > > Thanks for the followup. > I figure this was like when the cat brings you a dead rodent. We hate it when that happens, but we know that it is only because the cat loves us enough to feed us. I suppose that my feedreader loves me, and was bringing me a dead rodent. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Cursing on Planet KDE
Dotan Cohen posted on Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:05:21 +0300 as excerpted: > I figure this was like when the cat brings you a dead rodent. We hate it > when that happens, but we know that it is only because the cat loves us > enough to feed us. I suppose that my feedreader loves me, and was > bringing me a dead rodent. Thanks. I needed the laugh! Offensive post... Dead rodent! Indeed! -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
