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Re: How should we present KDE Plasma desktop sessions to users?
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Hello Andy,
> In the VDG we work with the Human Interface Guidelines that tell
> users
> how to interact with the system. The documentation placed there is
> informational in nature. From what I can gather, you seem to be
> looking for support information. If that doesn’t exist at the moment,
> maybe some of our team members could help put it together.
>
> I would also say that our team in Marketing would probably have a
> good
> idea about how to communicate effectively and they might also be able
> to help.
>
> Can you confirm the type of information you need?
>
I eventually reached out to Nate Graham and he confirmed to me that it
would be more honest to warn / disclaim to Nvidia users that X.org is
the best Plasma session on offer as of now. My interpretation is that
it is absolutely legitimate to draw a distinction between most users
(for whom Wayland is a serious option) and Nvidia users (for whom X.org
is the the only serious option).
As for the KDE's marketing team I've said in my initial message ("promo
team") why they don't consider themselves helpful on this matters.
Best,
Adrien
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Re: How should we present KDE Plasma desktop sessions to users?
I second that. I want a system that actually works. Em sex., 23 de out. de 2020 às 14:50, escreveu: > On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 17:53:48 +0200 > Adrien Glauser wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > Hi again, > > > > If no one on this list is available for discussing the topic quoted > > below, would you guys be so kind as to point me to the right people? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Adrien > > > > Le jeudi 22 octobre 2020 à 22:53 +0200, Adrien Glauser a écrit : > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I am part of a group of volunteers helping our distribution update > > > the user documentation, with the goal of improving the learning > > > experience for new users. > > > > > > Now we all know Plasma has made tremendous progress with the wayland > > > and xwayland sessions . Unfortunately, as far as our support channels > > > are concerned, these improvements might not be readily enjoyable for > > > Nvidia users -- which is not surprising after all, as the meme says. > > > (Here I am talking about people who installed the proprietary driver, > > > typically for a laptop with both an Intel integrated and Nvidia > > > dedicated GPU. In this email I am talking about this category of > > > users, and about no other category). > > > > > > Thus we want to make recommendations to our new users, whether fresh > > > switchers from the non-Linux world, or Linux users coming from the > > > GNOME world, where full wayland sessions are working OK for most > > > including the category I am talking about. > > > > > > To make this assumption very clear: We feel like purely descriptive > > > information is not enough, because users are owed clear disclaimers > > > and warning signs when there is a live possibility that their sub > > > menus will be glitching and logoff process freezing. For us it's not > > > just about QA, it's also about basic respect for people who accepted > > > to get out their comfort zone to step into the Linux world. > > > > > > Bearing in mind this context, I am asking you the following: What is > > > the most honest and accurate thing to say to these users? Should we > > > either: > > > > > > a) Recommend the xorg session (because it's the most stable), and > > > make > > > no other recommendation? (saying for example that the QA testing > > > around > > > the other two is lacking, or something along these lines?) > > > > > > b) Recommend the xorg session, and recommend against the xwayland and > > > wayland? (saying what I believe to be true, that is, that the other > > > two > > > sessions make it impossible for them to experience Plasma as it is > > > meant to be) > > > > > > c) Recommend all sessions in the sense that, contrary to my belief > > > and > > > knowledge, there actually is first-hand QA data supporting the idea > > > that all three sessions are OK for these users? > > > > > > I am putting this out with an open mind, so please correct me if I am > > > not portraying Plasma UX accurately. I am just trying to work with > > > the > > > evidence I have, and to use it as best as I can for our users. > > > > > > Also if you wonder why I am not writing to the Promo team at KDE > > > don't > > > wonder anymore: I have, and they acknowledge that this issue is a > > > little bit off their department. > > > > > > Cheers and thanks for reading, > > > > > > Adrien > > If you're aiming at new users I guess they would > have an even stricter expectation than I do and > I'm neither guru nor novice. From my perspective > anything that isn't bulletproof belongs in development, > period. I came to Linux because I want to be able > to do some cLi and customization and for the implied > security of open-sorce far from Redmond, I definitely > didn't do so to become a developper. > > > >
Re: How should we present KDE Plasma desktop sessions to users?
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 11:45:24 -0300 "Marcelo Magno T. Sales" wrote: > I second that. I want a system that actually works. Ditto, but is there no easy way to swing a proprietary driver in/out at will? I look at my own case: the ONLY time that "I" need the nvidia driver is while doing google-earth, remove that need from GE and I'm ok with nouveau. Else if I could toggle noveau/nvidia in the control panel I'd be quite happy with that too. A switch like nvidia+x/nouveau+wayland? > > Em sex., 23 de out. de 2020 às 14:50, escreveu: > > > On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 17:53:48 +0200 > > Adrien Glauser wrote: > > > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > > > Hi again, > > > > > > If no one on this list is available for discussing the topic quoted > > > below, would you guys be so kind as to point me to the right people? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Adrien > > > > > > Le jeudi 22 octobre 2020 à 22:53 +0200, Adrien Glauser a écrit : > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I am part of a group of volunteers helping our distribution update > > > > the user documentation, with the goal of improving the learning > > > > experience for new users. > > > > > > > > Now we all know Plasma has made tremendous progress with the wayland > > > > and xwayland sessions . Unfortunately, as far as our support channels > > > > are concerned, these improvements might not be readily enjoyable for > > > > Nvidia users -- which is not surprising after all, as the meme says. > > > > (Here I am talking about people who installed the proprietary driver, > > > > typically for a laptop with both an Intel integrated and Nvidia > > > > dedicated GPU. In this email I am talking about this category of > > > > users, and about no other category). > > > > > > > > Thus we want to make recommendations to our new users, whether fresh > > > > switchers from the non-Linux world, or Linux users coming from the > > > > GNOME world, where full wayland sessions are working OK for most > > > > including the category I am talking about. > > > > > > > > To make this assumption very clear: We feel like purely descriptive > > > > information is not enough, because users are owed clear disclaimers > > > > and warning signs when there is a live possibility that their sub > > > > menus will be glitching and logoff process freezing. For us it's not > > > > just about QA, it's also about basic respect for people who accepted > > > > to get out their comfort zone to step into the Linux world. > > > > > > > > Bearing in mind this context, I am asking you the following: What is > > > > the most honest and accurate thing to say to these users? Should we > > > > either: > > > > > > > > a) Recommend the xorg session (because it's the most stable), and > > > > make > > > > no other recommendation? (saying for example that the QA testing > > > > around > > > > the other two is lacking, or something along these lines?) > > > > > > > > b) Recommend the xorg session, and recommend against the xwayland and > > > > wayland? (saying what I believe to be true, that is, that the other > > > > two > > > > sessions make it impossible for them to experience Plasma as it is > > > > meant to be) > > > > > > > > c) Recommend all sessions in the sense that, contrary to my belief > > > > and > > > > knowledge, there actually is first-hand QA data supporting the idea > > > > that all three sessions are OK for these users? > > > > > > > > I am putting this out with an open mind, so please correct me if I am > > > > not portraying Plasma UX accurately. I am just trying to work with > > > > the > > > > evidence I have, and to use it as best as I can for our users. > > > > > > > > Also if you wonder why I am not writing to the Promo team at KDE > > > > don't > > > > wonder anymore: I have, and they acknowledge that this issue is a > > > > little bit off their department. > > > > > > > > Cheers and thanks for reading, > > > > > > > > Adrien > > > > If you're aiming at new users I guess they would > > have an even stricter expectation than I do and > > I'm neither guru nor novice. From my perspective > > anything that isn't bulletproof belongs in development, > > period. I came to Linux because I want to be able > > to do some cLi and customization and for the implied > > security of open-sorce far from Redmond, I definitely > > didn't do so to become a developper. > > > > > > > >
Re: How should we present KDE Plasma desktop sessions to users?
On Monday October 26 2020 11:37:01 k...@trixtar.org wrote: >nouveau. Else if I could toggle noveau/nvidia >in the control panel I'd be quite happy with >that too. A switch like nvidia+x/nouveau+wayland? I suppose that would have to be at the login manager level - if you can switch drivers at runtime (evidently not during a session). But maybe one should ask what kind of user would have an NVidia board and for running what kind of software - to see if there are additional reasons why they should stay away from Wayland. I have 0 experience with Wayland (and thus with X11 under Wayland) but I have a hunch that heavy animation software (be they games or not) written for X11 might not run optimally under Wayland's X11 emulation (or whatever that layer should be called). R.
