Re: [kde] All KNotes gone
Finally! The notes are back. I wrote: Some while ago already, KDE killed all my knotes. I think it was when 4.13.0 came out, and some migrator tried to migrate the existing notes. Well, it failed here. Now, I really want to have them back. I finally fixed this. The reason was that my KDE was built inconsistently. I'm a Gentoo user, so all is built from source. Due to lack of time I did not update my system properly in a while, and did not notice that not all of KDE's packages were up to date. I was missing the kdepim USE flag, which probably had been automatically enabled before. Without it, all stuff related to this was not updated since April. The rest was, but did not care about the old versions of KDEPIM stuff I had installed. My main fault was not to run emerge --depclean, which would have removed obsolete packages like knotes, so I would have noticed. Still, it's somewhat weird that the migrator did not check whether the application is up to date, but well, I guess that's one of the things I need to care about myself. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] All KNotes gone
Duncan wrote: Alex Schuster posted on Sat, 26 Jul 2014 01:17:12 +0200 as excerpted: Some while ago already, KDE killed all my knotes. I think it was when 4.13.0 came out, and some migrator tried to migrate the existing notes. Well, it failed here. Now, I really want to have them back. [...] BTW: About every time I experience some trouble with KDE, I make a note about this using knotes. And this happens a lot. So it was only a matter of time until I ran into a problem with KDE which made it impossible to log this notes any more in this way, because my logging utility itself was broken. FWIW, I decided some time ago (early 4.7 era, when kmail ate one too many emails and I asked myself /why/ I was putting up with it, email is /not/ rocket science any more, it's decades old technology that /should/ just work) that akonadi was bad news, and got as far away from it as possible, switching anything kdepim related to other alternatives (claws-mail for mail and feeds, that's about all the kdepim I used). I also dropped KMail. I had way too many different issues, and it once deleted a lot of e-mails. I'm also using Claws now, but I miss KMail. Claws does not multi-task so well, it's not responsible when it fetches mails. I have several e-mail accounts, one with 100 sub-folders, so checking takes a while. Thunderbird does this better. And also KMail. All this Akonadi stuff still sounds like a good idea. But not if it breaks things so often. For me it was a lot of trouble. And now I have neither my addresses nor my notes. Oh, my calendar is also gone. And the To Dos. Wow, except for KNode (sucks, too) and Akregator (has bugs, too, unusable for me) nothing in Kontact works any more. And I really likes Kontact once. I'm convinced that was the right decision. =:^) I'm not sure. If it would work again, I'd like it. KNotes is nice. As for notes, I'm of the rather strong opinion that the stablest and most reliable solution is a simple plain-text-file-based system, organized into a subdir hierarchy if you have a bunch of them, possibly with symlinks from other subdirs for multi-categories and tagging if desired, backed up periodically as value-appropriate. That's unaffected by whatever text editor aka notes-client you happen to be using ATM and readable by all sorts of stuff including browsers, cat/less/more/most, and given a not too complex block device and filesystem stack, even straight from grub2 without booting further, should it be necessary. And when you can't get into X or even mc, grep's a great basic search and easily scriptable. =:^) Higher availability and cross-client compatibility than that is tough to get in the computer world! =:^) Well, yes. But I like have them open on my desktop easily, and I use rich text formatting. Did not think that this is too complicated already. Of course, I also had trouble in the past with KNotes, like display corruption, things only showing up when highlighting, and content bouncing up and down when entering and leaving the window with the mouse. In terms of cleaning up the current mess, starting with a clean ~/.kde4 may indeed help, but do keep in mind that the kde5 upgrade is just around the corner, probably later this year or sometime next, depending on how early you want to try it[1], and you'll probably be doing something similar for it, too. Ouch. I am worried about that, and want to avoid it as long as I can. Well, I would try it though. But the switch to KDE4 taught me a lesson. I'm repeating myself, but to me it still looks like beta, with small glitches everywhere. Or bigger ones, like in $SUBJECT. BTW, I tried with a clean .kde4 directory. I just cannot import the KNotes. And I also get errors in the Akonadi log, about database tables not being available. Guess I'll head over to the kde-pim list. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] All KNotes gone
O.Sinclair writes: On Saturday 26 July 2014 1:17:12 AM Alex Schuster wrote: Hi there! Some while ago already, KDE killed all my knotes. I think it was when 4.13.0 came out, and some migrator tried to migrate the existing notes. Well, it failed here. Now, I really want to have them back. I'm at 4.13.3. now. I deleted all notes in the Akonadi settings, and created a new Notes resource, pointing to ~/.kde4/share/apps/knotes/notes.ics, which I verified to have all my former notes in it. Nothing happens (I also restarted knotes), knotes shows no notes at all. I shortened your mail a bit as I don't think our sql problems are related to the lost notes problem. I also lost my notes on upgrade to 4.13, in other words when Baloo replaced Nepomuk. Oh, Baloo. I had other issues with that, it ran for days, and so I just tried to stop it by telling it to not index ANY folders. Even this took many hours (some days, but my PC is not always running any more). I did manage to find them again and hopefully this thread on kdeforums can give you some pointers: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=215t=120712 Thanks. But isn't this just what I already tried - creating a new KNotes resource and pointing it to the existing KNotes file? This just does nothing. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE 4.11.2 intermittently forgets plasmoids (2013-10-06)
Steven P. Ulrick writes: Hello, Everyone Lately after I logout of KDE and then log back in, my desktop background is sometimes changed to something that I did NOT have as my background, and all of my Plasmoids are gone... This happens a lot to me, for several years now. So, whenever I make any modifications to plasma, I backup the plasma-desktop-appletsrc file first. And hope that on the next login my changes will still be there. There's a good chance they aren't, and also when upgrading KDE, plasma gets messed up often. Alex ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] OT: Thunderbird Folder refresh needed
Martin (KDE) wrote: This response is somewhat late. Since I have a new job, time is short, and I do not use my desktop PC much any more. Am 21.10.2012 18:35, schrieb Alex Schuster: Klaus Vink Slott writes: Check the account's settings - Synchronization Storage. The default is to have 'Keep messages for this account on this computer' enabled, this makes Thunderbird download them all. You have to enable the check for every folder you want to watch (in preference dialogue of the folder). At least I use it all the time (since I moved from kmail to t-bird). Or right-click on any folder and select 'Subscribe...' to quickly subscribe to all the folders you want. This was not a problem of subscription but a problem of cyclic update the folder content. Ah, so there is a difference. I thought subscribed folders would be checked regularly N minutes, according to the Account Settings - Server Settings. But you are right, now I realize I had the same problem. Thunderbird @ linux @ home seems to not have this option checked on any folders, yet still they are scanned for new messages regularly. It just works. Thunderbird @ Windows @ work also has it unchecked, but does not scan folders. There I have to enable it manually, which sort of sucks, with 100 folders. And another thing I do not like about Thunderbird is that the threaded display can only be set for one folder at at time, instead of enabling it for all folders at once, which I would like. That was quite some work, I have many filters and folders. But now I have it working. (Had to leave Kmail again: After a week it stopped showing the message content in some folders. The message preview just stay blank - even after a logout/login) KMail is weird :( As I wrote I did not use my desktop PC for a while. Now I updated to KDE 4.9.4, and I looked into Kontact again - mainly because I received an encrypted e-mail, and I did not set up this yet for Claws or Thunderbird. Was I able to read this e-mail? Of course not. It's worse than ever. KMail does not display a single e-mail any more. It shows which folders have unread mails, and some have a spinning wheel indicating something is being done, but that's all. So I removed the IMAP resource of that account and restarted, but still KMail shows the account, but as offline. Again, I see no content. Things like opening the Kontact settings or switching to the calendar take one minute of time until something happens. Then I suddenly had the same widgets on all desktops (I have six desktops, with different widgets), so I restarted KDE, KMail now does not show ANY accounts, that is, the other two accounts and the local folders are also gone (the Akonadi resources are still there). I also no longer have any address book. The resource is there, and the path /home/wonko/.local/share/contacts/ still has lots of vcards. So I guess nothing is lost, but I'd really like to have access to the contacts. I removed the addressbook resource, and added a vcarddir one, but that does not help. In the old kmail1 days I had to recreate the index files every now and then (about every 2 years) but I never lost mails. After doing similar stuff to kmail2 (deleting the akonadi DB) I lost hundreds of mails (this is fixed in the meantime afaik) but the good feeling is lost. I don't know if I can still trust kmail2 and the mail handling. I lost thousands when I moved an IMAP folder into another folder on the same server. Nothing important, so no harm done here. But the guy who reported this lost 54,000: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=290363 For me it will take another two versions to trust kmail2 for mail handling. At least when doing stuff like moving mails around. This is scary. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Automated import of camera photos
Hi there! As some of you may know, I'm a Gentoo user, and I have a KDE which is quite well configured. But I'm setting up a PC for a lady who has _very_ limited PC experience. She wants to try Linux, because she became deprived of e-mail access by her ISP after her account started to send SPAM due to some Windows malware. She only uses Firefox (mainly for eBay), a mail client for two mail accounts, an image viewer, and she needs to import photos from her camera. She also likes to play two Windows games, Space Cadet (pinball) and some cards game. So I installed openSUSE (12.2 I think) on her new PC. For the desktop environment, I chose KDE because it is so configurable. There should be extra large icons on the desktop for example. I can set the fonts to a huge size, which works fine mostly - notifications however show up with text lines merged into another, so the text is not readable. This happens when I plug in an USB camera, KDE asks if I want to open it with Dolphin, or if I want to import pictures with Gwenview or Digikam. Maybe I can tune this so only one entry appears. Photo import is the main problem: She currently has some Windows application which allows to import all new images of the camera to a folder. I would really REALLY like to have this feature, but it does not seem to be possible. When the camera is plugged in, I can choose to import images with Digikam. Works, with a few clicks. But when I do this again, Digikam wants to import all images again, not only the new ones. It is working fine as long as I do not close Digikam, but when I open it again, it will import all images. This make es it basically unusable. I'm not sure if this also happened when I have Digikam running and import manually, but this involves more clicks, and is also not what I want. Gwenview imports only the new images. Fine, but also with way to many clicks. The user needs to open folders named 'DCIM' and such, has to pick the right ones, and the dialog asks him to import 'documents', not 'pictures' or 'photos'. You might think tis is not a big deal, but I fear this will make the user keep using the old Windows PC, where everything works as expected. Any ideas how I could solve this? Is there any possibility to import all new images from a camera to a folder? I would not mind scripting if necessary. Sorry, I do not know the exact version of KDE, and I do not have the PC here right now. Maybe this is a bug which is already fixed. I do not have access to my own PC right now, too, so I cannot simply check this. So I'm sorry for asking here, but I'm moving, and only have a Windows laptop with me at the moment. Another disappointment was KMail, which I gave another try. The problem was that I did not know the passwords yet, and it (or rather Akonadi) kept asking for it, I was not even able to delete the resource because of the dialog which would appear over and over again. I guess I could have solved this eventually, but then I decided to simply use Thunderbird instead. What was great about using KDE was the possibility to configure the desktop. I removed all window title bar buttons except for the close button - minimizing an application to the panel would already be too complicated, don't ask :) A double click on the title bar to maximize the window is okay, other stuff is too sophisticated. If she wants to use another application, she simply closes the one she is using. She is happy with this, and then so be it. I also disabled features like maximizing windows when they are moved to the screen borders, or special effects happening when the mouse enters the screen's corners. While I personally like those features much, it's great that they are all optional. Thanks for leaving KDE so much configurable, I guess this would not be possible with Gnome. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] no way to add application to panel in 4.8.4 in openSUSE
Felix Miata writes: Where is this supposed to be? Right clicking panel only brings up a list of three: task manager settings, panel options, and remove task manager, and allows to add widgets via panel options, but not applications. The only way I know is to locate the application in the K menu, right click, and there you can add it to favorites, desktop or panel. I would have expected the possibility to drag and drop an application directly to the panel, but that doesn't work. Personally, I prefer the quick launcher plasmoid, because so my twelve launchers take up not much more space than a single application would need. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] File association query
Renaud (Ron) Olgiati writes: Next, in Konqueror, I have right-clicked on a *.mid file, gone to Open With, put in the name of my script (called, imaginatively mis2mp3 ;-3) and selected Run in Terminal, Do Not Close... and Remember Association... The script runs in a Konsole window when I click on a .mid in Konqueror file BUT the Konsole window close when the script exits. This is working for me. On KDE 4.8.4 and I think also before. How can I get to remain open ? Maybe it works when you do it like this, which also provides more flexibility: Right-click on the file - settings - spanner icon, then add an application to the list at the bottom. There you put the name of your script as before, but you do not need to enable the terminal. When that application was added, click the edit button. Now you can specify more detailed stuff. Go to the 'program' tab, click the 'advanced settings' button. Here, you can specify to open in a terminal, and to let the terminal stay open after the program ended. I'd also disable the startup notification. If that doesn't help, you probably need a workaround like Björn suggested. Maybe with an option to your script, so it wouldn't also wait when you run it directly from the terminal. WaitKey= while getopts w opt do case $opt in w ) WaitKey=true ;; esac done shift $((OPTIND-1)) [your mis2mp3 script] [[ $WaitKey ]] read -n 1 -s -p Press key to exit Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] convert to kde on Windows 7
Doug writes: I hope this message falls within the scope of the guidelines you published. That's okay, but there's also a kde-windows mailing list which might be suited better for your question: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-windows I want to convert to the KDE version for Windows. However, I want to be absolutely sure I can get back, if it doesn't work out. (There is a program that was very difficult to install, and I don't want to ever have to do it again! As well as other paid programs.) In order to do that, I would like to copy the entire Windows partition to an external drive. On the Windows system, the drive contains Win 7 plus pclos in dual-boot configuration. Can I do (from the Linux partition) dd if=sda1 of=sdb and, if that is correct, would the external drive be bootable? I did not use Windows XP much, but I doubt that very much. I'd assume that the install drive is stored somewhere, and unless you make /dev/sdb show up as your C: drive, this won't work. Would a whole drive even show up as such in Windows, or wouldn't it have top be a partition like /dev/sdb1? I'd simply do the dd command, or better something like dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/mnt/externaldrive/windows.dump so you can use the rest of the external drive for other things. And if you want to go back, restore that backup. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE 4.6 ---- Dolphin Crashes on a mouse over
John Woodhouse writes: I've just loaded a lot of software to handle canon raw photo files. If I browse a directory with any raw files in it Dolphin crashes as soon as I move the mouse over one. Maybe it's this bug? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=270366 Any ideas? Upgrade, 4.6 is ancient. As a workaround, turning off the info panel might help. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Could not create IMAP folders under IMAP root folder
Hauke Bruno Wollentin writes: In KMail I couldn't create new folders directly under exam...@foo.bar, like: exam...@foo.bar --Inbox --MyNewFolder --Sent --Trash ... Creating of subfolders is ok, the IMAP-Server is ok too, with Thunderbird or my webmailer I can create folders under the root folder. Any ideas? Maybe it's a feature ;) I think this has just been forgotten to implement. I remember that I had noticed this, too, but as I do not manually create such folders, it was no problem. And using Thunderbird or Claws mail is a workaround. Or the solution - with bugs like these, I do no longer trust KMail: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=291006 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=290363 Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KAddressbook Spawning Tags
Lex Middelberg writes:
From: Martin Bednar seraf...@gmail.com
Have you tried backing up those contacts, deleting the resource and
creating a new one?
Why would that work? How should I do that? Through Systems-Settings?
Yes, in the personal information module.
If you're not using nepomuk for other things, you can start from
scratch (new user/delete nepomuk configuration), I guarantee that
will get rid of the tags. You will then have to recreate the akonadi
nepomuk feeder though.
Isn't that a bit extreme?
It is. It might clean things up, but I also absolutely hate to do this. I
started with a clean .kde directory for three times since I went to KDE
4, and it did not help much. Some things got fixed indeed, but most
problems stayed.
This Akonadi stuff is intended to help me, but in the end it makes me
spend much more time with it trying to solve problems I would not have
without. Well, most things seem to work by now, except for KMail. I just
started it today to test some things. Searching messages especially, I
misunderstood something in Claws so I gave KMail a try. Which never ever
found a message when I was doing a full text search in the past. So I
tried again, and, guess what. Nothing happens. There's also an IMAP folder
that is not accessible suddenly. Whatever. I restarted Akonadi, no
change. I restarted Kontact, still this one folder is not accessible. But
wow, now I see a result in my last search, two messages were found. Okay,
there should be three, but it's better than nothing.
Other mysterious things: I have some new local folders now ('Lokale
Ordner' which means local fodlers in German), with two empty sub-folders
for outbox sent mails. All shown in red. While the 'Local Folders' I
created myself show up in gray, with some messages in them, but when I
click one, I get a notification that th eelement cannot be fetched in
offline mode.
Those are new problems, but hey, I am not surprised, and I do not even
care about them any more. I switched to something else, I am free now,
fre! Muahahaha.
See above, I don't know what else nemopuk is linked to. I am not aware
that it does anything else on my system.
If I create a new user what about my emails and contact list? What
about my data in the home directory of the current user? What about my
accounting data and the data and configurations stored by all my other
software?
I wouldn't create a new user, but instead rename the .kde
and .local/share/akonadi directories. And copy stuff you want to keep from
there over to the new .kde directory. Create your new Akonadi resources,
and point them to your existing data in .local/share/. As I said, this is
a process I absolutely hate to do, but at least you can be sure to get
rid of old cruft then. If it does not help, remove the .kde directory and
rename your old one back.
Good luck,
Wonko
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Re: [kde] Kmail can't send any email after upgrade to 12.04 ! (window becomes grey ) Do you reproduce it ?
Maxime. Haselbauer writes: I can't send any email anymore since upgrade to Kubuntu 12.04 I had 11.10 with KDE 4.8.2 already and it (sort of) used to worked before. I think it is related to a bug I already reported under 11.10 : https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=298701 bugs.kde.org is down at the moment... Does anyone has a workaround? Can you switch to another mailer? Thunderbird works fine, and many people (including me) are using Claws mail. I have finally given up on KMail, it is too unstable, and while moving an IMAP folder it ate all mails in it. That's when I abandoned it mostly. Claws cannot use local maildirs, and I'm not sure about Thunderbird, but at least you would have a way to send mails. I am using IMAP these days, that way it does not matter much which mailer I use, they all show the same. Of course that's different when you use local mails or POP3. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KAddressbook Spawning Tags
Renaud (Ron) Olgiati writes: On Saturday 19 May 2012 05:54 my mailbox was graced by a message from Duncan who wrote: Switching my mail archive, address book, and mail filters over to claws-mail wasn't easy, but it was worth it, for sure, and the worst I get in a crash is a few read messages showing up as unread, again, if it hadn't yet saved that status. YMMV, but claws-mail was a better solution for me anyway, What are the best choices for replacing Kmail ? As Duncan, I have switched to Claws Mail. I miss some features, but it does the job. I did not migrate my local mails to Claws' mbox format, but I do not have many, so this is no problem. I still use Kontact/KMail occasionally, but often when I do, strange things happen. Thunderbird also seems to work fine. I am getting fed up waiting ten seconds whenever I press + to go to the next unread message This is faster here, but often some read mails do not become unread. Many of other small issues, like specific folders that cannot be displayed (unable to fetch from backend). And after it ate thousands of my mails, when I only wanted to move an IMAP folder to another location [*], I decided to stay away from it. At least for a while. And I will never try operations that potentionally make me lose data, without making sure I have backed it up. Too bad, I really liked KMail. But my data is more important to me. [*] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=290363 Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] plasma-desktop using 100% of 1 core
Barry Scott writes: After a forced reboot of my Fedora 16 system I am seeing plasma-desktop use 100% of 1 core after a while. Killing plasma-desktop and starting it up again is a temporary work around. Does plasma still react, or is it frozen? Is this a know issue? What do I do to fix it? If this is a new problem what advice do you have to investigate the issue? I had similar problems in the past. Sometimes it was a buggy plasmoid, so by removing them one after another I was able to find out which one. You can back up you .kde/share/config/ directory if you want to easily revert to the original state, I think saving the plasma-desktop-appletsrc file in there alone would also suffice. You can also start over and rename the .kde directory (or try as another user) to see if it always happens or if it is something with your specific setup. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Munch munch munch
Hi there! What I just did: - Rename IMAP folder 'Archives/2010' to 'Archives/Gentoo-User-2010', using Claws Mail - Wait until KMail shows this folder with its new name. Got some Akonadi errors meanwhile, but I'm getting used to it - Move this folder to 'Local Folders/Backup/' After a while, I got LOTS!! of notifications: - Local Folders: Error: Not supported type (this one for dozends of times). BTW: Is there a log of all those notifications? I could access the last ones via the thingy in the panel, but after a while they were all gone. - Virtyou: Connection aborted - Virtyou: There is no connection to the IMAP server - Local Folders: Item query returned empty result Kmail crashed then. After restart, the Archives/Gentoo-User-2010 folder is gone. But 'Local Folders/Backup' is still empty. So, it seems that KMail just ate a whole folder containing 12,000 mails. It's no big trouble, I don't need those old mails, and I would have a backup. But I don't think I will ever do such a thing again in KMail, at least not without prior duplicating of the folder. This is so creepy. I read about KMail destroying mails, but that was during the migration from KMail1 to KMail2, not a simple task like moving mails around. You see, I'm still with KMail. At least sometimes. I'm using Claws for daily stuff, but did not configure stuff like encryption yet. And I would prefer to use KMail for local directories. I also see some benefits of the akonadification. For example, Claws does not let me configure any accounts while a composing window is open. No major annoyance, really, but KMail does not have such issues. It also does not pause while checking for new mails, which Claws does. It's just that there are still sooo many little problems with it. Claws is easier to use. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Munch munch munch
Duncan writes: Alex Schuster posted on Sun, 01 Apr 2012 09:00:37 +0200 as excerpted: After a while, I got LOTS!! of notifications: - Local Folders: Error: Not supported type (this one for dozends of times). BTW: Is there a log of all those notifications? I could access the last ones via the thingy in the panel, but after a while they were all gone. There should be, yes. It'll be in your akonadi dir, which should be located under one of either XDG_DATA_HOME or XDG_CONFIG_HOME, IDR which. There should be two logs, one for the current akonadi session, one for the previous, if there were errors (not if there were none). IIRC one of the akonadi-test/config tools has a test that will give you the status of these logs, etc. In .local/share/akonadi/ I have akonadi_control.error.old and akonadiserver.error.old, each containing a single line only. But I had some logins after that incident, these days I'm having many more KDE problems, with plasma, which is unusable at the moment. I experience this for some das now, normally it suffices to restore my plasma-desktop-appletsrc file from a backup, but now this no longer helps. Still, some log of ALL notifications somewhere would be nice to have. Kmail crashed then. After restart, the Archives/Gentoo-User-2010 folder is gone. But 'Local Folders/Backup' is still empty. So, it seems that KMail just ate a whole folder containing 12,000 mails. It's no big trouble, I don't need those old mails, and I would have a backup. But I don't think I will ever do such a thing again in KMail, at least not without prior duplicating of the folder. This is so creepy. I read about KMail destroying mails, but that was during the migration from KMail1 to KMail2, not a simple task like moving mails around. I'm guessing that if you check the actual filesystem, you'll find most of the messages safely stored in maildir. The akonadi database doesn't actually store the messages, only indexes them. It's that index that's probably corrupt, and if you find the the actual dir location, you may be able to (delete if necessary and...) recreate a new akonadi resource out of it, thus allowing a reindex. Well, the resource points to .local/share/local-mail/, which only has empty cur, new and tmp directories. And there's .local/share/.local-mail.directory/, which has the subdirectories of my local folders, but the Backup/ directory is empty. I just moved a single mail to Local Folders/Backup, and it showed up there, so this IS the real location of my mails. And it should be like this, it's set like this in the local folders resource. And there was not much time between me moving the folder and KMail crashing, probably not enough to actually download 12,000 messages from my remote IMAP server to my local folders. I also checked on the IMAP server, there is no longer a Gentoo-User-2010 directory. However, it was exactly that sort of games with my mail that I had had enough of when I switched to claws-mail. Claws may have single-threading and responsiveness issues, but it has yet to barf all over my mail and try to lose bits of it, forcing me to play hide and seek with mail that DID just work with kmail, until they akonadified it, as akonadi was doing. Yes, I was quite happy with the old KMail. The new one still has many problems which happen every day. Like showing unread mails which I already hav read. Sometimes it helps to select them again, sometimes even this does not work. There is an IMAP folder that KMail shows to have 8 unread mails, but when I select it: 'Unknown Error. (Unable to fetch from backend)'. I just removed this folder from my subscription, now at least I can browse through my new mails whithout always getting this error when I bypass this folder. BTW, there is no function to just move on to the next unread mail, wherever it is, or is there? I can move to the next unread mail of the current folder, and I can move to the next unread folder. No big deal, but somewhat inconvenient. In Claws I just press the space bar, advancing from page to page, from mail to next unread mail, from folder to next unread folder. Maybe I should move away from KDE apps. Use Claws or Thunderbird instead of KMail. Liferea instead of Akregator which makes Kontact crash several times a day. Something else instead of KNode which often forgets which articles I have read already. Although I'd miss things like the adress book, and things being integrated. Konqeror also crashes too often, but it's still my default browser. And Plasma... it's acting weird so often. Yes, I could try to start with a fresh install, but I do not want to do this once per year, with many things still not working after that. At least that's the experiences from the past. And it takes much time to re-configure all as I like it. Now I'll dig through my .kde4 backups, let's see if I can make plasma work again. Wonko
Re: [kde] KDE 4.8.1 doing strange things with some applications
Found the solution, thanks to Duncan and rex for pointing to [oxygen-]GTK. Systemsettings - Look and feel of applications (translated) - Gtk config, thange the theme from oxygen-gtk to something else. I wanted to file a bug, but this has been done already: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=295875 Duncan writes: Alex Schuster posted on Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:57:38 +0100 as excerpted: pete writes: But based on the behavior you mention, with it happening in other DEs besides kde with your regular user, but not with a new user... except in kde... It sounds to me like it might be due to some bit of the gtk configuration, or some such. Of course, claws-mail is a gtk-based app... Right! Note that with the xorg-server 1.12 update came inputproto 2.2, with multitouch support. AFAIK some bits of gtk3 have multitouch support already, provided it's supported by X, and if you have that on your system (I don't, only gtk2), a rebuild of various bits of it against the new xorg bits may be in order. I assume you did a revdep-rebuild, Wonko? Not so often, but all is okay. [Whoops, Kontact crashed at this moment, but when restarting this mail I'm composing is intact.] Also, it's worth noting that I do *NOT* use FEATURES=preserve-libs due to various issues I had with it early on. IMO it's MUCH simpler to just let the old libs be pulled and let revdep-rebuild detect and fix the problems, than to monkey around trying to troubleshoot issues due to stale libs still being on the system, apps trying to load both the new and the old one together, etc. YMMV but if you have it on, you might consider turning it off, and see if over time, your number of mysterious issues goes down. Here, I could probably troubleshoot individual problems, but it really /is/ just simpler to disable the feature entirely, and let revdep-rebuild do its job without preserve-libs throwing a spanner in the works! I like this feature very much. And in my opinion Gentoo without was somewhat broken. When a library is being updated to a new major version, applications not linked against the new version do not work, until revdep-rebuild has run. With the preserved-libs, there are no such issues. And it seems to work fine here. When the feature was new, there were occasional problems with stuff being rebuilt over and over again, but this did not happen again. Except for googleearth, which probably just does not pick up the new library. P.S. when sending this mail, KMail asks for the SMTP server's password. Why doesn't it use the KDE wallet this time? These are those problems that made me switch to Claws. I'll restart Kontact and try again. AFAIK it's akonadi that actually handles mail passwords, etc, now. For fetching yes, as that's done by Akonadi in the background, but for sending the mechanism should be as ever. And it worked after arestart. Oh well. At least back in the 4.6 era just coming up on 4.7, when I exterminated akonadi from my system, one of my frustrations with the whole thing was that I have something like a half-dozen email accounts. When I logged in or otherwise restarted akonadi, it would stall them all waiting for the kwallet password for the first one, but if I provided it, the others would remain stalled, until I manually stopped their fetchs and restarted them. And I had to do that within the kwallet password timeout, or they'd have the same problem once again. When I log in, the wallet is being opened as one of the first things to happen, and most of the time this works fine. Sometimes, I get KMail/Akonadi mail password requests before that, but I can simply cancel them, and later it works after I open the wallet. What was worse, if I wasn't interested in mail ATM and simply canceled out, then at the next timed check, they'd ALL come up individually, each needing it's individual password, with NO second chance to sign in with kwallet. Right, I know this effect. I think it's still the same, but I don't bother to try this now, I already spent too much time resolving this Claws problem. It could also be that the mail server is having problems ATM, and what you're seeing is just how they end up being presented to the user via akonadi/kmail. No, that was okay. Whatever, it only happened once, I have more annoying problems :) Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Full screen screws up desktop
Renaud (Ron) Olgiati writes: I have noticed that after playing some games (Pinball and Xlogical) in fullscreen, my desktop is all messed up with all the icons scrunched together on the LH side of the screen, as if I had done an Icon = Sort and this in spite of having the icons locked. Is there a way to avoid this ? KDE 4.6.5 I don't have icons on my desktop (only in folder views), so this never happened to me. But sometimes when I start applications that change the resolution (from 1920x1080 to something less wide), some windows have moved to the left when I am back to KDE. I also had a similar problem with plasma stuff, but that was long ago, maybe when I also was running KDE 4.6. And before that. I'm using 4.8.1 now BTW. My sister does not have these problems on her PC, but she experiences some weird flickering effects sometimes which seem to be KDE related, but I only know about that from her descriptions, I did not actually see this yet. Anyway, my workaround since I started using KDE4 is to just not start any of such applications while in KDE4. Instead, I have a 2nd session running a simple window manager (IceWM, OpenBox, FVWM2, XFCE4 or whatever you like) where I start this stuff from an xterm. Duncan's idea about using an activity is an interesting approach, although I think I keep using my method, as switching via Ctrl-Alt-Fn is probably faster. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE 4.8.1 doing strange things with some applications
pete writes: I am having a few strange interactions here with KDE4.8.1 i use claws mail for the simple reason Kmail has caused me too much hassle recently , Me too, for daily use. For encrypted mails or local folders I still use KMail. Or when Claws crashes after sending a mail like now. all was well untill the update to KDE 4.8.1 then every time i send a mail it closes claws down if i open a compose window then think dont bother and close the window the entire claws vanishes Claws mail is version 3.8.0 on Arch Linux as in sig block below Exactly the same happens here on Gentoo Linux since this morning. I am running 4.8.1 since two weeks ago, but there was an update to 4.8.1-r1 three days ago, and I did not log out of KDE since today. But there was also an update to Xorg yesterday, from 1.11.4 to 1.12.0. The error message when started from a terminal is: The program 'claws-mail' received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in the program. The error was 'BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)'. (Details: serial 55930 error_code 3 request_code 151 minor_code 3) (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) And it also crashes when I run it in another window manager like IceWM or Enlightenment, with KDE running at that time or not. It even does so when I rename the .claws-mail directory so it starts with default configuration. However, it does _not_ crash when I run it with a new user with empty $HOME directory. Unless... this user is running KDE. But it only crashes from within KDE, it still does not crash in Enlightenment then. So, this user cannot run Claws from KDE, while I cannot use it at all now. I did not investigate this further, I probably could do some config bisecting, but I have no spare time at the moment. Did you also upgrade X to 12.0? P.S. when sending this mail, KMail asks for the SMTP server's password. Why doesn't it use the KDE wallet this time? These are those problems that made me switch to Claws. I'll restart Kontact and try again. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] How do change the style of kmail favorites view?
Barry Scott writes: I just updated to F16 with kmail 4.7.4. How do I make the favorites view be a list view not a icon view as it was in the older kmail versions? Googling did not find me an answer. With 4.8.0: Settings - Look Feel - Layout Tab, there you can set the Favorite Folder to show up Never, as Symbol or as List. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE panel showing above some fullscreen applications
Dotan Cohen writes: KDE panel showing above some fullscreen applications, namely Virtual Box in full-screen mode. I therefore set the panel as Windows Can Cover but this quickly becomes annoying with other applications. I therefore tried giving Virtual Box full-screen capability from the KDE Configure Window Behaviour... options, but that for some reason makes Virtual Box the size of my screen, but it is displayed offset on the screen to make room for the vertical KDE panel, and thus I am missing the KDE panel's width from Virtual Box on the opposite side as it is off-screen! Are there any other fixes for the KDE panel intermittently appearing over a full-screen Virtual Box? This is KDE 4.7 on Kubuntu 11.10, however I have had this issue with earlier KDE versions as well. What about a workaround: Start a 2nd desktop session with a lightweight window manager. Run VirtualBox there, and switch with Ctrl-Alt-F7/8. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] how to fix non-starting kde in user account
sibu xolo writes: I am using a computer with LINUX-2.6.35/kde-4.4.5. One account has developed a fault. I can login via kdm and the machine then attempts to start kde. This then fails and the screen goes black. I miss the use of this account mostly because of email addresses stored in kmail. Does anyone know of a way to replenish kde so that I can access kmail for instance. Like others wrote, I would first try to log in as another user, or rename my .kde/.kde4 directory (maybe even .config and .local) before logging in and see if KDE will start then. Have a look at you .xsession-errors file. Maybe also in /var/log/kdm.log. This might help to diagnose the problem. But in order to access your mails, select another window manager or desktop environment when logging in at KDM. Like, Gnome, OpenBox, Xfce, or whatever else is installed on your system. Then start KMail from this environment. You do not need to actually run KDE to start KDE applications. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Plasma crash and can't log in anymore.
Luis Ángel Fernández Fernández writes: Today something very weird happened. I don't remember what I was doing exactly but suddenly KDE crashed and lxdm login showed up. I couldn't start KDE Plasma Desktop Session anymore and I get this .xsession-error[1]. However I can log in using some KDE Plasma Desktop Failsafe session kdm shows (after the crash I switched to kdm... lxdm doesn't show this special session). This failsafe session launch KDE Plasma using the --failsafe option. Any idea about what's going on and how can I fix it? No. But I'd diff the output with the .xsession-errors you get when using the failsafe session. So you can separate the critical errors from harmless entries that happen every time. For example, I have no idea whether those dbus messages are normal in your setup, or if they are the root of the problem. Oh, and I think that attaching short logs is preferred to using pastebin, at least that seems how it is handles on most lists. Someone correct me please if this is wrong. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Plasma crash and can't log in anymore.
Luis Ángel Fernández Fernández writes: On Martes, 13 de septiembre de 2011 17:00:38 Alex Schuster escribió: Any idea about what's going on and how can I fix it? No. But I'd diff the output with the .xsession-errors you get when using the failsafe session. So you can separate the critical errors from harmless entries that happen every time. For example, I have no idea whether those dbus messages are normal in your setup, or if they are the root of the problem. Ok. It seems that those dbus messages are normal since I have them in both modes. One thing less to check for. The differences start just after those messages. These are the differences: X Error of failed request: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) Major opcode of failed request: 138 (NV-GLX) Minor opcode of failed request: 4 () Resource id in failed request: 0x1e3 Serial number of failed request: 33 Current serial number in output stream: 33 kwin(15671): fsrestore1 - conversion of 0,0,0,0 to QRect failed kwin(15671): fsrestore2 - conversion of 0,0,0,0 to QRect failed kwin(15671): fsrestore3 - conversion of 0,0,0,0 to QRect failed kwin(15671): Shaders are not supported kwin(15671): Shaders are not supported plasma-desktop: cannot connect to X server :0 plasma-desktop(15679): Communication problem with plasma-desktop , it probably crashed. I have similar kwin messages, too. But the X stuff is weird. A shot in the dark: Can it be that compositing / desktop effects are making trouble, and are turned off in safe mode? You could disable them by setting Enabled to false in .kde/share/config/kwinrc, or better use the kwriteconfig --file kwinrc --group Compositing --key Enabled false command to do this. No more ideas, Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE Panel freezing when HDMI connected
Tim Edwards writes: This particular plasmoid was downloaded by clicking the 'Get New Widgets..' button on the 'Add Widgets' dialog, so I would think it was as officially-blessed as any other that's available. No, I believe those that already come with KDE are more official, and better tested. Those that you download can be contributed by anyone, and often they are new and not tested by anyone yet. My experience has been that those often simply fail (sometimes due to missing stuff I would have to install), sometimes make plasma crash, and I also experienced plasma hanging like you did. I think it's more important that a plasmoid which freezes shouldn't also freeze the whole desktop. That's just the way it is I'm afraid. You can't ensure the quality of plasmoids but surely someone can put a timeout of some kind in the plasma-desktop code so that calls to plasmoids don't wait forever for a response. I don't know it this is possible for a single-threaded application, I assume the answer is no. I do not think there is some sort of supervisor that calls and controls the individual plasmoids. When a plasmoid's code being executed, and that goes in an endless loop, it will stay, and plasma will not react any further. At least that's my understanding. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE Panel freezing when HDMI connected
Tim Edwards writes: I'm running Opensuse 11.4 with KDE 4.6 on a Netbook. When I plug the netbook in to an external monitor/TV after a few minutes the KDE panel (including all menus, icons, clock etc.) is completely frozen. Even after over an hour it remains frozen. All other software functions fine - firefox, Libreoffice, Thunderbird etc. and I can use alt+tab to switch between them. I can't launch new programs since the KMenu is frozen I think KRunner (Alt-F2) should still work. but I have a konsole window open I can run programs from there. All these programs, including KDE-specific ones such as Dolphin, work fine, without freezing or pauses. Looks like plasma-desktop froze. Does top show this process with 100% CPU usage? This happened to me often. Try this in your Konsole in order to quit plasma and restart it: kquitapp plasma-desktop; plasma-desktop If kquitapp does not work, try killall -9 plasma-desktop instead. If it hangs again, maybe you see some output in the Konsole that helps to see what the problem is. Good luck, Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE Panel freezing when HDMI connected
Tim Edwards writes: Saw something interesting in the konsole window - just before the freeze ups each time there is output from the Pyweather plasma widget that shows it trying to retrieve weather data from the net. Currently our cable internet is out so I'm using 3G (USB tethering from the mobile phone), which in our house is slow and gets an intermittent signal. My theory is it looks like the Pyweather widget is hanging trying to get data sometimes, and this in turn hangs plasma-desktop. Which, if true, is IMHO a huge design fault in plasma-desktop. Anyway I'll see if this theory holds out, Pyweather's been removed and so far no freezes. Yes, that's the problem with plasma-desktoüp, it's single threaded, and if one plasmoid hangs, whole plasma hangs. I often had such trouble when using plasmoids I downloaded fron the net. I also believe it's a huge design fault, but there _are_ indeed reasons for doing this, having to do with speed mainly I think. I don't find the link right now where this was explained, but if you are interested, I could search and find it. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE Panel freezing when HDMI connected
Kevin Krammer writes: On Sunday, 2011-09-11, Alex Schuster wrote: Kevin Krammer writes: Retrieving data could still be done asynchronously, KDE's networking can do that even in a single threaded application. Sure, I didn't want to imply that was a problem. I didn't think you were, just explaining that there should be no blocking due to downloading data unless something is wrong. Okay :) Looks like the respective applet or whatever it is using for downloading data is broken. And it's bad that this is able to make plasma hang. Unless proven otherwise I will assume that it is not. Huh? I'm somewhat confused now. Something in the plasmoid obviously was broken, and made Tim's plasma hang. And this is a problem that happens regularly when trying custom plasmoids. As in I really don't see how non-blocking downloading could block an application unless the application specifically blocks itself, which I would consider a bug. I don't say the non-blocking download is blocking. It's something in the plasmoid, whatever it may be. And as the result, all of plasma hangs. Which is bad. In the days of cooperative multitasking, every application could make your system hang - these days are over. I've never had one application hang the system. Doesn't happen in this context either, the OP reports everything other than the hanging application working fine. Yes, but I was talking about cooperative multitasking. Long ago, like in Windows 3.x, where a single application could make the whole system hang. But for plasma, it's still like this. Highly unlikely. Since it did not happen for the OP, can you point to a report were hanging Plasma resulted in no other processes working either? No, I was just saying that the individual plasmoids seem to use cooperative multitasking. A badly designed, hanging plasmoid makes whole plasma hang. Other processes are not affected, of course. So you can continue to work, but as Tim wrote, many people will just think the system is hanging, and reboot. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] I just noticed: no more crashes! Thanks, KDE team!
Dotan Cohen writes: I was going through some old bookmarks when I found this post: http://gkiagia.wordpress.com/2009/08/19/installing-debug-symbol-packages-f rom-drkonqi/ I then realized that I don't remember seeing any KDE applications crash in KDE 4.6 or now in 4.7. In fact, it's been so long since I remember seeing Dr. Konki that KDE 4.5 probably didn't crash anything, either. I see it every day. I'm on 4.7 now, and things seem to be a little better now. But still, Kontact (mostly because of Akregator) crashes daily here. Some kde4init stuff always crashes short after login, but it does not seem to matter much. Dolphin crashed today without apparent cause, which is somewhat annoying because in this case all instances crash, and always have two Dolphins with a total of six views. And right now one Dophin is acting weird, one panel does not update when I scroll or select stuff. Another one showed an empty directory, I need to press F5 to see its contents. But at least some weird dragdrop problem seems to be solved, files got marked afterwards as if the mouse button was pressed. Oh, and the Amarok constantly uses 70% or one of my two cores. But it doesn't crash :) So the time to express appreciation for the KDe and Plasma devs. You guys are doing tremendous work and I thank you for that! Indeed. Despite my constant ranting here, it's free after all, and it's great so many people dedicate their time to this project. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: KDEPIM 4.6 prob^Wimpressions
Kevin Krammer wrote: On Saturday, 2011-07-23, Alex Schuster wrote: I still have to do keyboard shortcuts, toolbars, and migrate my local mail folders. What might be the difference between the 'KMail-Maildir' and the 'Maildir' resources? The first one can deal with KMail's mixed tree, i.e. when some folders are in mbox format and not maildir. It also has read-only support for KMail1's index files, for applying previously stored flags and tags. Due to that it is not as optimized as the normal maildir resource yet. Could the problems below had to do with this, would a normal maildir resource possibly work better? I chose to create a KMail-Maildir resource pointing to my local mail directory (which I got from my backup, since KMail somehow deleted those mails). KMail now shows the mail folders, but they are all empty. An over-optmization in a component KMail uses for mail folder display. It results in no mails being requested from the resource. Creating a message in such a folder should trigger a load of all others as well, or reload in Akonadiconsole. I see. This works... sort of. When I drag a mail into one of these empty folders, things happen. Of course there is not much notification, but after a while, the content is there. So I repeated this for about a dozen folders. A few have 10,000 mails in it, and it took several minutes to open the folder and display its contents. And all sort of strange things happen: Some unread mails do not become read when I mark them as read, or become unread again when I re-visit the folder. Sometimes I cannot mark all messages as read - the shortcut does not work, the content menu entry is grayed out. Selecting all mails and then marking them as read works. I then moved these KMail-Maildir folders into my local folders, because that's where I want them to be. Takes a while, but works. Until started getting many (hundreds) of these notifications, with hundreds of bin-bing- bing notification sounds: Local Folders: Error opening /home/wonko/.local/share/.local- mail.directory/OpenXP; this folder is missing I could not stop this. Quitting KMail did not help. I tried to stop Akonadi, this did not work. So I logged out and in again, same problem, and KMail was still unusable. Great. I finally solved it by deleting both my local-mail and the KMail-Maildir resources. Maybe I will try this another time, but then I'm not sure I will be using KDE for longer. These are other problems that happened today: Akregator lost its web navigation feature, the back and forward buttons are grayed out. This makes Akregator totally unusable for me, I will have to use Liferea instead. Konqueror lost the bookmark folder with my accounts. This happened before, I did not notice this for a long time. Some days ago, I copied these bookmarks form a backup into my .kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml file, and the bookmarks were okay. Now they are gone again. My Wallet is not visible. It is being used, but I cannot see my passwords. There is no wallet application in the tray. kwalletmanager --show does nothing. But it works in another window manager. Finally, after all of today's KMail/Akonadi trouble, all plasmoids were gone. Restored the config directory, I really should back it up every few hours. My KNotes work, but their positions are also mixed up. All this is really getting on my nerves. KDE4.7 should be released today, I will give this a try, but I doubt all will be fine then. I think that was it then, I don't want to go though this any more, this is too much, there's problems every day, and some are really bad, like today. Sorry. It's hard to leave, because I customized things so much, and restarted from scratch one week ago, but this is costing too much time, I have to work with my PC, instead of figuring out all the time what is going wrong now. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: KDEPIM 4.6 prob^Wimpressions
Duncan writes: Alex Schuster posted on Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:53:21 +0200 as excerpted: Oh, and do others here also store sensible things like my online banking PIN in the wallet? Or is this considered too risky? Are there possible security problems with this? I store such things in kwallet, yes, for my home system. I figure if someone breaks in and steals it, I'll call the bank, but other than that, the loss of a computer I can't afford to replace ATM would be worse than anything else that'd happen. Isn't the wallet secured by strong encryption? No the netbook, I deliberately do not keep any data that I'd be uncomfortable having it go public (well, except my the Linux user account passwords themselves). That way, if it's lost, /all/ I have to worry about is the physical property loss. If I did choose to keep such stuff on the netbook, I'd probably keep it in an encrypted fs of some sort, but at this point it's simpler not to put anything like that on it. My desktop is completely encrypted, just for the fun of it. The notebook runs Windows, I don't do things like online banking with it. I'd have to change mail passwords and SSH keys if it were stolen. But it is so old I think no-one wound steal it :) Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: KDEPIM 4.6 prob^Wimpressions
Restoring the .kde4/share/config directory from backups did not help. But I saw lots of stuff like kdeinit4 / knotify4 processes, and then I finally did what I never did before in such cases: I rebooted. And things are working again now. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: KDEPIM 4.6 prob^Wimpressions
I wrote: Removing .kde4 now. Let's see what happens. I'm back. I removed the whole .kde4 directory, and copied back my Akregator and Kopete settings only. First I forgot to also delete Akonadi's settings. And when I did so, I only deleted .local/share/akonadi, but forgot .config/akonadi, so I wondered why my Akonadi ressources were still in place. But finally it was gone, and created Akonadi stuff from scratch, too. I hope things will be better now. Some things that happened while configuring the desktop: Systemsettings - Password and User access: I could make any changes here, getting a 'permission denied' error. Later, it was working. Suddenly my desktop folder view plasmoid vanished. Oh dear. It looks like it still is in my plasma-desktop-appletsrc file, so I already have more in there than I should. This should be the entry: [Containments][1][Applets][2] geometry=20,20,600,400 immutability=1 plugin=folderview zvalue=0 [Containments][1][Applets][2][Configuration] geometry=20,20,600,400 immutability=1 plugin=folderview sortDirsFirst=true url=desktop:/ wallpaperplugin=image wallpaperpluginmode=SingleImage zvalue=0 I removed those entries, but on the next login every desktop showed the plasmoids of the fist one. When I tried to add the 'Simple CU and System Viewer' plasmoid I downloaded, plasma froze, and I had to kill and restart plasma-desktop. Happened also with another plasmoid which I do not remember now. I uninstalled the 'Kood Morning' plasmoid I also downloaded, because I confused it with another one I really wanted. I de-installed by choosing 'Add Widgets' and then right-clicking on the plasmoid. Then I forgot about this, so when I wanted to install other plasmoids and the plasmoid download dialog was still open with the Kood Morning plasmoid, I klicked the 'Deinstall' button. Again, plasma froze and had to be killed. When restarting plasma-desktop, some folderviews that I just placed where I like them to be lost their position, I arranged them four times until they now are correct when I log in. Some kde4init process sometimes crashes no long after login, I had this before. Konqueror shows files in my home directory when starting, although I told it so start with a blank page. Tried to reproduce this now, and got a page telling me the action could not be done, protocol could not be initialized, technical reason: process could not be started. I switched the application language to English, and now it works. Switched back to German, works, too. Oh, and it was the starter (in the quickstart plasmoid) that was wrong, when I start Konqueror via Krunner, it is as it should be. My TV-Browser window was gone, and there was no icon in the tray. The java process was still running though. Killed and restarted. The system was running at 100% for the whole night, nepomukservices was using 70% of one of my two cores, accumulating nine hours of CPU time. virtuoso_t consumed around 45%. Strigi is disabled. Logging out took 1-2 minutes, of course also plasma crashed. Nepomuk kept doing stuff even after logout, so I killed it. It did not start again then, and I got a notification that nepomuk indexing has been disabled. or something, the notification button on the systray does not react, so I cannot look up the exact error. When I run the Akonadi selftest, there is one error, Nepomuk service not registered a D-Bus. But at least it doesn't hog resources now. Some minor annoyances: The NEdit find+replace dialog vanished when I accidentally minimized it. It was not in the list of minimized windows in the panel, but I could make it show up again by using the desktop effect which shows all running applications. There are some configuration dialogs (desktop effects, KMail - email editor), that ask me whether to apply changes, even if I made none. Kontact complains at system start it is already running. This was a bug I had for a year or so, but recently it no longer happened. Looks like the bug is back. KNode shows HGE icons again, bug #266129, no big deal. Dragging a favicon from Konqueror to the desktop still gives a starter with a silly name I cannot edit. I have no contacts, which is expected. How do I proceed now? In Akonadi, I can create resources for personal contacts and for an address book. No idea what the differences are, and if it matters. The Handbook does not find documentation for it, and the online docs are for 4.4. Ah, but there is a link to Akonadi stuff (http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi_and_AddressBook), and there it says that the address book resource (the one storing stuff in share/apps/kabc/std.vcf) is not recommended. Fine, I just imported my contacts which I had exported before. The nice thing is that I optimized my desktop a little. I did not (yet?) have problems with KMail. Well, German spell checking did not happen, until I changed the language from 'German' to 'German (Germany)'. Whatever. Now I need
[kde] Re: KDEPIM 4.6 prob^Wimpressions
Duncan writes: Alex Schuster posted on Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:07:33 +0200 as excerpted: Duncan writes: I've been very happy with 4.6.95 (4.7-rc2). There was one hiccup but I couldn't reproduce it. But 4.6.95 has certainly been as stable as a release version here, and in fact, I'm happier with it than I was with anything in the normal 4.6 series. The best kde4 versions I've run are therefore 4.5.4/4.5.5, and 4.6.95. If 4.7.0 and the rest of the 4.7 series turn out as nice as 4.6.95 has here, I'll be a happy camper indeed! =:^) Sounds good! Also the thing about window settings you posted. Meanwhile/however, given your problems, I strongly suspect that your user config is screwed up, likely multiple files since you've listed quite a few problems that I haven't had with the same version (on the same distro). If that's true, as I suggested in another post, it may be that you won't get rid of the whole set of constant bugs unless/until you clean out the config and effectively start from scratch reconfiguring. Yes, I'm indeed thinking about this. Alas, when I've done this in the past, even in the 3.x days, it never helped that much. But I will give it a try. It will take a while to re-create things as they were. And I'll have to decide which things to keep. Archives of the comic plasmoid, customized starters, window rules, all those little files in share/*/. Well, let's see., I think I'll start bare, and maybe copy application configs back later. As I said when I mentioned that before, I normally don't recommend that (tho I do recommend bisecting the user config reasonably frequently... when it's a single problem), because in general that's not a solution I'd consider valid for me. However, as you were mentioning potentially switching to a different DE entirely, and you'd have to configure it essentially from scratch, doing that again for kde isn't any different than for another DE, except that you're already familiar with the available settings and where to find them, in kde. Then once you get a clean config that's actually working reasonably well, as I expect it will, I hope you are right. be sure and back it up, so you can restore a clean but customized backup. =:^) Sure, I do this all the time. I still have about 35 backups of my .kde directory, and that's only because I already deleted many. There's several possibilities for that. One is setting the phonon output to the dummy audio device -- no effects or kde system sound, but anything using alsa directly, etc, should still work. I believe I did that for a time back in the kde3 era (before phonon, obviously). Although there are few system sounds I hear, so I probably wouldn't even notice they're gone, I somehow would not like to be without any. Yeah, but if they begin eating 100% cpu on a core... Well, I didn't think it could have to do anything with phonon. Let's see if it happens again, it didn't for some days now. Another is switching the phonon backend. phonon-xine gave me problems here but I've been very happy with phonon-vlc. Some others have had good results with phonon-gstreamer but quite some time ago I had problems with gstreamer and it's an entire subsystem that I've avoided having on my system every since, tho in fairness the gstreamer problems are very likely long since gone, but I just don't want to load all those dependencies again for one little thing, and since I have everything else using something else, it's /always/ just one little thing, that would be changing over, so I never try gstreamer... I'm using GStreamer, and Xine is also on the list. I think I read one is deprecated and the other should be used, but I do not remember which was which. And now that you mention phonon-vlc, I remember reading somewhere about it and it sounded good. So I emerged it, and switched the backend. Whoops, Amarok crashed. But it seems to work fine, let's see if the situation with kded4/knotify4 improves. Although it didn't happen for 2-3 days now. As Anne already replied, it's phonon-xine that's deprecated. I don't have gstreamer installed and wasn't particularly interested in installing it, so I've not personally tried it, but phonon-vlc worked FAR better for me than phonon-xine. However, a number of posters have said that phonon- gstreamer worked better for them but phonon-vlc gave them problems too, and phonon-gstreamer /is/ both the kde and gentoo default, now. Wow, I'm a little surprised about these problems. Sending sound to a device doesn't look so complicated to me. Looks like it probable deals with more than I thought. As for amarok crashing, you're not /supposed/ to switch things out from under it while it's playing! =:^[ But hopefully all is and remains fine once the new backend is up and working. I wasn't surprised, but it would have been nice if it had survived. I DID edit out some serious
[kde] Re: KDEPIM 4.6 prob^Wimpressions
Anne Wilson writes: On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 03:05:29 AM Duncan wrote: I thought there were some extensions to make [firefox feeds] work better. But then Firefox is the wrong application maybe, I hadn't thought of that. If I give up on akonadi, I'll have to take a look. Have you tried liferea? I used it when akregator was giving me problems, and it's quite good. Just tried it, and you're right! Feels quite similar to Akregator, and has no problems with web sites. I found one drawback: It cannot download some images from KDE-Look, the background menu only allows to zoom in or out. Dragging the image into a Dolphin window works though. It's the same with Akregator and Webkit (there I don't even have the menu), but when I start to drag the image and stop, it looks like it is being displayed with KHTML instead of Webkit now, and I get a context menu that allows saving. A little while ago I would have switched to Liferea at once, but since I found out how to use Akregator with Webkit and since it saves the session (it crashes multiple times per day), it is well usable. For the moment, I have the Liferea window grouped to the Kontact window, and will play with both this and Akregator. Thanks for the tip, Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: Plasma hangs, could not log in
Anne Wilson writes: On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 02:06:51 AM Alex Schuster wrote: Hi there! Me again. Sorry :) But today I spent over 3 hours until I was able to log into KDE again. So I'm asking if something similar has ever happend to you. Normally, when logging in, the splash screen appears for a few (maybe ten) seconds, then it fades out into black, and it takes a little while until auto-started applications appear. The background stays black for 2-3 minutes, and finally all the plasma stuff appears. Before this, the plasma-desktop process runs at 100% on one of my two cores. Recently I had a similar experience, in that the bootup sequence never finished. Did you also get the black screen, and nothing else happened from then on? After fiddlingfor a while I did the obvious - renamed ~/.,kde and got a clean kde. I then copied back the essetials such as my mail configurations and ignored application and desktop (read desktop effects, etc.) altogether. Those are easily fixed as you come across things. I've had no problem since. Clearly something had either become corrupted or carried over where there was an incompatibility. I hate to do this. Sure, it would help, as I was able to log in with a test user, but configuring things back as they were takes quite a while. And I didn't know beforehand it would take so long. I hoped I'd find the problem soon, remove the offending program or plasmoid, and all would be fine. I had similar problems in the past, and could solve them this way. Like the dreaded bug that made the password dialog useless when it was set to display three stars per key pressed. Then I would report the bug, someone would fix it, and it would never happen again. The problem was that it does not look like there's a single plasmoid being responsible for this, which was unexpected. Ctrl-C in the Akregator main tab does not work. Akregator makes Kontact crash about four times per day. Check for updates. I saw that a while back, but it doesn't happen now, so it's almost certainly version or distro-version specific. The Ctrl-C thing? This happens when an article is opened in a tab and I select some text. The alternative shortcut Ctrl-Insert works neither. But the context menu works. I'm running 1.7.0 on Gentoo Linux. [BUG-BUGS-BUGS] resolution, this also might mess up your desktop. And some more which I forgot. And that's only the bugs _I_ experience. Many of those things have already been addressed. Yes, any database that attempts to index everything is going to be big. The KMail issue, though, I consider to be more serious. I take it that you are using the experimental KMail2? Right. I thought it was considered stable by the KDE folks? I'm running the ~amd64 branch of packagers, that is, they are not well tested on Gentoo Linux, but are considered stable by upstream. At least that's how I understand it. I understand that IMAP and DIMAP have been merged, and I assume that that means DIMAP (downloaded) in every case. I'm not too happy about that myself. Well, at least it gives me a backup in case my IMAP provider's server dies, or when I'm offline. I was just surprised about the amount of data, when my backup partition ran full due to some extra gigabytes that were needed. And the backup runs much longer now. But it's a minor problem, I can well live with that. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: Plasma hangs, could not log in
Anne Wilson writes: On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 04:32:55 PM Alex Schuster wrote: Anne Wilson writes: Recently I had a similar experience, in that the bootup sequence never finished. Did you also get the black screen, and nothing else happened from then on? No, in my case KDE started to load - I saw the icons begin to appear, but when it got to the K icon it just stuck there. Um, the icons of the splash screen? The last one is the big K here. Yes, it was stuck there, unless I waited for some minutes, or did some mouse clicks. And then all I got was a black screen. [removing ~/.kde] I hate to do this. Sure, it would help, as I was able to log in with a test user, but configuring things back as they were takes quite a while. And I didn't know beforehand it would take so long. I hoped I'd find the problem soon, remove the offending program or plasmoid, and all would be fine. I had similar problems in the past, and could solve them this way. Like the dreaded bug that made the password dialog useless when it was set to display three stars per key pressed. Then I would report the bug, someone would fix it, and it would never happen again. The problem was that it does not look like there's a single plasmoid being responsible for this, which was unexpected. I talked with the Fedora packagers, and we went through such things as clearing out caches, but to no avail. There comes a time when getting a serviceable desktop as quickly as possible is the imperative. I would much prefer to have found the cause, but my friends at Fedora agreed that we had tried everything that stood a good chance of telling us something useful, so I made the decision to get back to work. If I had needed my PC to do important things, I'd either logged into another window manager, or moved the .kde directory temporarily so I could work and investigate later. But I like to solve these problems soon, if not they tend to stack up :) Ctrl-C in the Akregator main tab does not work. Akregator makes Kontact crash about four times per day. Check for updates. I saw that a while back, but it doesn't happen now, so it's almost certainly version or distro-version specific. The Ctrl-C thing? No, the constant crashes. It drove me wild for a while, but it's OK now. Interesting, it's become much worse here, 2-5 Kontact crashes per day due to Akregator. Not long ago, this did not happen on a daily basis. Maybe it's since I am using KDE 4.6.5? Or could it be because I mainly use the Webkit engine now? The most annoying thing about this is that I lose the from: and the subject: headers in mails I am currently composing. Akregator restores the session fine. If it doesn't happen more often, I can live with this. It's annoying, but worse tings happen here. Many of those things have already been addressed. Yes, any database that attempts to index everything is going to be big. The KMail issue, though, I consider to be more serious. I take it that you are using the experimental KMail2? Right. I thought it was considered stable by the KDE folks? I'm running the ~amd64 branch of packagers, that is, they are not well tested on Gentoo Linux, but are considered stable by upstream. At least that's how I understand it. No, it is considered stable enough for early adopters to do the final testing - and there have been many more problems than the devs had experienced themselves. It has been suggested that deleting any existing Akonadi database might help in a lot of cases. It seems that people have tried the pre- releases and may well have some incompatibilities hanging around from those earlier releases, but I assume that this is not the case for you. This may be the case, I once had the new KDEPIM stuff running for a day, I think it was being unmasked accidentally. But meanwhile I deleted and re- created all Akonadi resources. After dealing with this for a while now, I'm getting used to it. And I know what to do in case of problems. This morning, for example, KMail did not show any mails, and I had to restart both Akonadi and KMail until it worked again. I understand that IMAP and DIMAP have been merged, and I assume that that means DIMAP (downloaded) in every case. I'm not too happy about that myself. Well, at least it gives me a backup in case my IMAP provider's server dies, or when I'm offline. I was just surprised about the amount of data, when my backup partition ran full due to some extra gigabytes that were needed. And the backup runs much longer now. But it's a minor problem, I can well live with that. Yes, it would be nice to know these things before-hand - would save a lot of worrying and wondering. Yeah, a little dialog window informing me, and it would have been fine. But what I got during the first start was some Akonadi migration message windows, some showing errors, that vanished after
[kde] Re: KDEPIM 4.6 prob^Wimpressions
Kevin Krammer writes: On Tuesday, 2011-07-19, Alex Schuster wrote: I waited for over a year until I started filing the first KDE4 bug. There were so many, and I thought filing them would not be necessary, as the KDE developers just have to start the applications for themselves and then they'll see. Unfortunately that isn't as clear cut in reality as it is in theory. Any software with higher complexity than hello world has lots of different code paths, each potentially changing the internal state of the application or stored data it works on. Running into each combination of paths by incidence (aka just start the application) is extremely unlikely (winning the lottery is probably more likely than that). Anyone working in software engineering has had bugs that get reported repeatedly but it takes some specific detail in one report to actually get it reproducible for the person trying to solve it. I understand this, I'm also developing software, and I wished it had fewer bugs. But in KDE I see many bugs that look like things were not tested at all. An example is the bug in 4.6.3 I think when Konqueror send inputs to forms twice. Such bus just should not make it into a release, even KDE's bugzilla complained about duplicate edits when filing a bug. Or KSnapshot, that has a Send to... button, but when you actually use it to open your screenshot in an application like Gimp or Gwenview, you got a file not found error because the number in the name has been increased by one. It's a known bug that has been fixed already, but I wonder how this could make it undetected into a release. Or when you open a zip file with Ark and drag a file somewhere, Ark always opens a dolphin window, displaying my $HOME directory, not the directory where I put the file into. I don't think this is how it is meant to be. Well, maybe Ark is deprecated now, as Dolphin deals with zip files nicely. And that it is just for the functionality provided by the application or a library shipped with it, not counting any kind of differences that might be caused by an external dependency or a modification the entity building the software. I know KDE developers who run their git master checkout as their main environment, but their workflows or surrounding setups are often very different from those of non-developers. For example several KDE PIM developers have been using KMail2 for somewhat between one and two years now, at least one even as a native Mac OS X apps. But none of them are using POP3 and several are using the same IMAP server software. I always find it both fascinating but also demoralising how many things get discovered even during beta periods which only a few people participate in. Fascinating because one often cannot imagine (inspite of experience telling otherwise) that some often exercised code could lead to a different outcome than those known. Point taken. Guess I will report some more bugs, in case they are not reported yet and do not always happen. I understand this. That's why I prefer usenet much over web forums, at least for things that are mostly text-only. The web is fast these days, but I hate latencies when clicking through messages. Oh, and I have to click, while navigation by keyboard is more practical. Indeed. It is a pity that none of the common web forum software packages has a built- in news gateway. I wonder why. Maybe because of things like BBCode that would make trouble for text-only newsreaders? There's that inevitable feel to it, for sure... What got me was how blase' all the kde folks seemed to be to glaring konqueror issues like no proper ssl/tls certificate management, while all the while calling it ready for ordinary use. Indeed, ready for use means to me I could do online banking with it. Hmm, I always do online banking with Konqueror. Have done so for years. I always get warnings about untrusted certificates. I must admit I do not know much about this area (Duncan does), and when I view the certificate it is said to be trustable, but I feel better using another browser that does not complain about certificates. Now that I found out how to activate Webkit instead of KHTML, I'm using Konqueror more often again. It's still my favorite browser, but it made lots of trouble in the past. I really like the 'File - Open with' menu, so it's easy to quickly open a page in another browser. I'm using rdiff-backup, and I back up all my ~/.* files regularly. At least every time before I save the session. takes a while now, because I have nearly 2G in my .kde4/share/apps/kmail/dimap folder. Seems KMail (or Akonadi) downloaded everything from my IMAP server, I didn't expect that. KMail. Account type Disconnected IMAP basically works by two-way synchronizing a local copy of IMAP folders with the server, thus allowing offline (disconnected) access to the data. This was originally mainly
[kde] Re: KDEPIM 4.6 prob^Wimpressions
Kevin Krammer writes: On Thursday, 2011-07-07, Alex Schuster wrote: Sometimes I get notifications like this from my IMAP server: server: Saving failed, server replied: A015537 BAD Invalid system flag \RECENT. Following up on this in particular. Seems this is caused by the IMAP resource trying to write the flag \RECENT back to the IMAP server, however this is considered a read only flag. Some IMAP servers seem to just ignore that, your's obviously complains. We will try to fix this (filtering the flag out before writing to the server). Just out of curiosity, which IMAP server is that? It's dovecot 2.0.13. Thanks, Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: lost Desktop
Duncan writes: Alex Schuster posted on Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:47:36 +0200 as excerpted: But you can easily recreate the folder plasmoid. Click the cashew on the very top right of your screen (unlock the widgets before if you do not see it), and select the first menu entry. Something like 'Add mini-programs'. You will get a list of available plasmoids no the bottom of the screen, look for the folder plasmoid (I guess it's called like that). Drag it to the desktop. It probably already shows your desktop folder. If not, open its settings by clicking the monkey wrench symbol on the handle that appears when you are over the plasmoid, there you can select the directory. BTW, I like to have several of those folder plasmoids, pointing to different directories. I know you're translating here, but I do find the literal translations you used both enlightening and entertaining, knowing the English words used. =:^) I'm glad you have fun :-) FWIW, one of my akregator feeds is language log, because I find how people use (and misuse) words an interesting topic. They run a couple posts a day, generally 7 days a week, so it's not too high traffic, just nice and steady daily food for contemplation. The log is in English but discusses language use (and myths about it) in many different languages. Some of the funniest posts are about Chinglish mistranslations, but eggcorns and snowclones are languagelog coinages and the use of language in legal scope gets its turn (and a number of the professional linguists there have testified in court cases on the topic) too, so it definitely has its serious side as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_Log http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinglish (That image of a construction in progress sign illustrating the concept is a must see!) Funnny :) I like the 'Spread to fuch the fruit' supermarket. Ugh, 'Fried enema'. Anyway... Add widgets. You got unlock widgets, but not add widgets, which you translated as add mini-programs. Are different terms used for those two in German, which I believe I saw you mention you were translating from? If so, it'd be interesting to see what the literal translation of unlock widgets is, for contrast. No, it's always 'Miniprogramme', mini programs. I think I remembered 'unlock widgets' from a posting here so I used that. And I was in a little hurry, so I didn't think for too long about this. It's the Folderview plasmoid. And... monkey wrench... not wrong at all, but I found the addition of monkey interesting. I learnt this the hard way. I was stuck playing Monkey Island, the waterfall blocked my way. There was a pump near which seemEd to control it, but I was unable to operate it without the proper tool. Of course I already did USE BANANA ON METRONOME, so the piano-playing monkey got hypnotized and I could stuff him into my pocket, but it didn't occur to me I should USE MONKEY ON PUMP, using him as wrench. It was years later when I read the explanation. From then on I used 'monkey wrench' for 'Schraubenschlüssel'. dict.leo.org suggests [screw] wrench or spanner. Or 'monkey wrench' for 'englischer Schraubenschlüssel'. Ah, 'der Engländer'! An adjustable wrench. Oh, and there even is 'crescent wrench' for 'Swiss spanner'. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: KDEPIM 4.6 prob^Wimpressions
Duncan writes: Alex Schuster posted on Wed, 13 Jul 2011 03:09:32 +0200 as excerpted: Duncan writes: I only used KMail for a long time, but then I gave Akregator a try, and I liked it. And so I thought why not, and started using the whole Kontact suite. FWIW, akregator still feels a bit kludgy (hey, kludgy would make a nice kde app! =:^) to me. I preferred the knewsticker kicker applet that was part of kde3. Oh, these newsticker applets. The KDE4 one didn't do anything when I tried (a long time ago), but I don't like them anyway, they tend to distract me. But when I read mail I read mail. When I read news, I read news (FWIW using pan to do it, not kde's knode). And when I read feeds, I read feeds. I don't have any desire to unify them in some way, for the same reason I rarely view the combined feed list instead of tech/linux news vs other. If I'm thinking about Linux and reading Linux/tech feeds, I don't want to be off-tracked by the latest about Obama or the debt talks, tho I value that too and follow it separately. But the key is just that, /separately/. Having mail from my family, or from my voicemail service, while valuable in themselves, intrude on my Linux concentration, would be even worse! So keeping the apps separate is just fine by me; no kontact necessary! Hmm, I'd say with Kontact things are more separated for than they were before, when I had a mail window, and some browser windows (showing things I now read in Akregator), on the same screen. Now Kontact shows me either, and I have to switch between the sub-applications, so it's either mail, or usenet, or feeds (along with some open tabs in Akregator for messages I want to have a deeper look at). BTW, since 4.6.5, Akregator saves the session / the open tabs, I was missing that before. [KDE4's Amarok] So I split, and as with every case where that has happened to me, I'm glad I did, only wishing, perhaps, that I had done so sooner, altho recognizing as well that there comes a time when you are ready, and trying it sooner would be rather counterproductive. (In particular, that's the way it was with MS, for me. It took me two years after I'd basically decided Linux was where I was headed, before I finally made the switch. Had I tried earlier, it would have likely been an abortive attempt and I don't know if I'd have /ever/ made the switch. That's why I will certainly argue that Linux is the better way, but there's no way I'd try to force people to switch before they're ready for it.) I can under stand this. But I'm happy with it, because while being entirely different, I like Amarok very very much. It still has some bugs, it is slow, but it fits great into my desktop. I like that I can change the layout, that I can arrange the views how I like, side by side, one upon the other, or in tabs, saving space. I like the kontext view with lyrics or Wikipedia stuff. Or searching my collection. But it's not an improved version of the old Amarok, so for sure many people are disappointed. Well, like KDE 4 is very different from KDE 3.5. akonadiconsole seems to be the newer, more powerful alternative, and it DOES support sqlite at least to some degree (I see it in the DB Browser tab, for instance) but opens with a warning that it's a development tool only, use is at your own risk! And for sure, the stuff it shows looks scary enough and I know little enough about it that I'd be scared to touch much of anything therein, without direct instructions from someone who knew more about it than I do! I already used it a couple of times, yes, it's scary. I like the 'Do not even think about changing anything in here!' notice :) [After switching to QSQLITE3] I get a notification every few minutes: 'server: Unknown error. (Could not create collection).' And I had a 'KMail-Folder' before, which was the content of my local .kde4/share/apps/kmail/mail directory. This is gone. There is a 'Local Folders' resource pointing to that directory, which I already had before, but it only shows the usual folders (Drafts, Inbox, Outbox, Sent, Templates). I'm missing the Trash, no idea why that is gone, I think this already was the case since the KDEPIM upgrade. Deleting to trash still works though, I wonder where these messages are. BTW, deleting via shortcut now also works, it didn't before. I added a new 'mail' resource, selected the mail directory (it would be nice if one could use the directory selection dialog to browse this, but I don't know how to make it show hidden files (Alt-dot works in the file select dialog, but not in the directory dialog)). Cool, the folders are back. The address book is still working. Hooray! But I still cannot use a distribution list. I can create a new contact group and add email addresses to it, but KMail does not seem to know about it, it does not auto-complete when I start entering the group's name. I don't do enough multi-address
[kde] Re: KDEPIM 4.6 prob^Wimpressions
I wrote: And then I logged out, mainly because kwin was using 500M of memory, and usually weird things start happening then. When logging in, KDE did not come up. The splash screen stayed for longer than normal, then the screen went black, and stayed like this. Going black is normal, KDE takes about three minutes here until everything is started (plasma-desktop is using all the CPU during this time), but now it never finishes. I let it run for a couple of hours this night, then I killed plasma-desktop, and finally the desktop came up. I started plasma-desktop in a Konsole, but it still only eats CPU time. Time for testing with other users, old configs, bisecting... again. And about KMail... it does not show _any_ mail any more. In the folder view, I see folders with unread messages, but those were still unread when I logged out of KDE. It does not scan for new mails. An when I select any folder, it does not show the contents, it just says it's fetching the contents, and I should wait. This is a bad morning. No Plasma (meaning also no panel, no system tray), no KMail. And Thunderbird has a weird problem, it does not check folders for new mails. I should do some work, but I guess I will spend some time making my desktop work again. sigh And then I simply copied back my .kde4/share/config directory I had backed up before yesterday evening's Akonadi changes, and suddenly ALL IS WORKING! Plasma is starting again, KMail shows my mails, and I can even send mails now. Okay, I still get the 'Could not create collection' notification. And one KMail folder just got me this notification: server: Saving failed, server replied: A001605 BAD Invalid system flag \RECENT In the Akonadi settings, I can choose between Mysql and PostgreSQL, neither is set (it was set to Mysql before). Below, I see no longer the path tho the mysql binary, but settings for an external PostgreSQL server. I'm glad things started working again, I have a usable desktop, and I can see and send mails. Now I will check for the Trash, and maybe delete and re- create some resources. Time for another backup before I do this. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: KDEPIM 4.6 prob^Wimpressions
I wrote: It's not an Akonadi problem, this started right with KDE 4.6.5. It's a GUI problem, the little KNotes icon in the system tray simply no longer reacts to left mouse clicks. Same goes for Klipper. I found this out when I wanted to view the [...] Sorry I wasn't clear about that. Klipper is working fine, but I cannot access it by clicking its icon in the system tray. This is also working now. I also notice that yesterday all of the systemtray's entries were shown all the time, while now it is again as it used to be, some (like KWallet, KGPG and some more) only show up when I click the little arrow at the right. The day started bad, but things are fixing themselves now. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: lost Desktop
Jerome Yuzyk writes: On Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:10:22 PM Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote: Jerome Yuzyk writes: Yesterday I inadvertently moved my Desktop to the Panel. Uh, um, how did you do _that_? There was a bar on it that I thought was a scrollbar. When I went to scroll it the Desktop iconified onto the Panel. ~/home/Desktop isn't gone - it just doesn't show anymore. Ah, now I understand. It's the folder plasmoid showing your desktop folder. Click on the cashew, the thing on the very very right of your panel. If it isn't there, you probably have to unlock your widgets first, do this by right-clicking on the desktop and select 'unlock widgets'. Or something like that, I'm translating from German. When you clicked the cashew, you can drag things from your panel back to the desktop. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: disable fx prior to first 4.6 startups
Am Donnerstag, 7. Juli 2011, 16:44:59 schrieb Felix Miata: I've done several new installations lately, openSUSE 11.4 and Kubuntu 11.04, all on i865G video, in each case doing system updates (to e.g. 4.6.4) prior to first X start. All have been very difficult to get into anything after starting X, including systemsettings to turn off the broken desktop FX. Phantom windows come and go, including main menu panel clock settings, How on further i865G installations can I configure a system globally to disable desktop FX by default? Will it be the same for 4.7? I'm not sure if I understand this right... so the active desktop effects mess up everything, and it is even hard to start systemsettings and turn them off? Try Alt+Shift+F12, this toggles the desktop effects. I use it on a PC (not my own desktop, at least one problem that _I_ do not run into) where all plasma stuff is just black, including the panel, so I cannot open the K menu or call krunner. This happened after the upgrade from 4.6.2 to to 4.6.3, 4.6.4 is not installed there yet. Could also be the X.org update that happened along the KDE update. You can also edit ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc, and set Enabled=false in the [Compositing] section. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: disable fx prior to first 4.6 startups
Felix Miata writes: On 2011/07/07 22:54 (GMT+0200) Alex Schuster composed: Try Alt+Shift+F12, this toggles the desktop effects. I use it on a PC (not Another hotkey combination I'll probably forget as fast as I discovered it, or at least not remember when I need to. I know it well, because I get notifications frequently that my system is too slow and that the desktops effects are being suspended. This notification also mentions how to toggle the effects back via this key combination. I have a dual core AMD 4850e CPU with 2.5 GHz, and on-board Radeon HD3200 video (using the open-source radeon driver). Which seems to be barely enough to run KDE4 (using six desktops and running much stuff I must admit). top gives these values, sampled over two minutes: 27% X 16% kwin 13% plasma-desktop 5% amarok 5% dbus-daemon 3% udisks-daemon 3% akonadi_imap_re 3% akonadiserver 3% mysqld 2% kget 2% knotify4 You can also edit ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc, and set Enabled=false in the [Compositing] section. That would not be a global fix. That file doesn't even exist on a new install until after KDE gets started, and then only for each individual's first login. Right, I just mentioned it as yet another way to turn it off. Now let's both forget about it, as Stephen provided a much better solution. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: KDEPIM 4.6 prob^Wimpressions
A little update on the KDEPIM situation. Kontact sort of works now, but it feels slower than before. Even changing between Kontact's different modules is slower now. I think about not using Kontact at all, but its individual components, with their windows grouped together (a really cool feature of KDE4 which I often use). Well, it's not _really_ bad, switching takes 1-2 seconds, but it used to be instantaneous before, and I like to quickly peek into Akregator and back to see if there are new messages. Kontact's summary shows an over-due to-do item, but when I click on it, the to-do list is empty. Probably a migration problem, but why does it show up in the summary then? But I did not use this feature much, so I don't care about the lost entries. Quite often an IMAP folder still shows unread mails when I already had read them all. Selecting another folder and again the one with the unread mails usually fixes this. What I liked about the old KMail was that I could open folders in tabs. The problem with this was that folders opened in tabs did not get checked for new mail, I hoped this would be fixed. But it seems this feature is gone now. I wanted to see if distribution lists work with the new Kontact - they did not with the old one, a mail to TESTGROUP would not go to the email addresses of this group's members, but TESTGROUP@myserver.mydomain. But when I open the address book and enter a new group, the new KMail does not know about this group and will not autocomplete. Seems like KMail does not know about any of my contacts. I do not understand at all how this works. I still have the contacts in my address book, so the migration has worked for them, but when I open the settings, they show the location as ~/.kde4/share/apps/kabc/stdvcf, and this directory is empty. So all this stuff is in Akonadi's mysql database now? What's the purpose of this empty directory? When moving messages from my inbox to another folder, they often (but not always) still show up, but grayed out. I already know this behavior from some other mail clients I tried, except for the old KMail and Thunderbird, it can be fixed by logging into my IMAP server and running mutt. When quitting, I am asked whether to purge the deletes messages. I wonder what I could do if I had not shell access to the server. Today I unsubscribed from the ubuntu-users list which I do not read anyway, and because of the 250M this folder takes on the IMAP server, I decided to delete it. I also wanted to verify if bug 239859 still happens, KMail used to crash when deleting IMAP folders while still having it open. Well, what do you think happened? Right, Kontact took ages deleting this, became unresponsive, after half an hour I killed the process. akonadi_imap_re still was quite busy. When starting Kontact again, a composing window with an unfinished mail opened, but not the main window. So I killed Kontact again. I stopped the Akonadi server, restarted it, and now Kontact was working again. Again, I tried to delete the huge mailing list folder, and this time I waited for about two hours. Kontact was still usable, but very slow, and the KMail part did not display mails. akonadi_imap_re used about 40% of CPU resources, having an accumulated total time of an hour now. This process uses a lot of CPU resources even when I do nothing with Kontact, same goes for mysql. Finally, I got an error message, the folder could not be deleted. So I deleted it with Thunderbird, which did the job in seconds. KMail still showed the folder and its contents, but after a restart it is finally gone. Sometimes I get notifications like this from my IMAP server: server: Saving failed, server replied: A015537 BAD Invalid system flag \RECENT. This just happened when changing into a folder that has a new mail. This morning, I had some similar message, but it told me about some conflicting flags on the IMAP server, and asked whether to keep version A, version B or both. I was in a hurry so I did not notice what the problem was exactly. I think I kept both. Now, when I select this folder again, I get this message, every time: server: Remote id is empty or invalid. And the folder has no entries. Restarting KMail and Akonadi does not help. At least I can still view it with Thunderbird. Oh, and after this last restart, the folder view shows one unread mail in the drafts folder. When I select this folder, there is only one mail, grayed out, it's the former draft of this mail I am just composing now. There are other drafts, but they only show up in Thunderbird, not in KMail. I logged out and in, and now my drafts are back. The other folder is still empty, but I do no longer get the 'Remote id is empty or invalid' when selecting it. Wow, this became longer than I thought. Now I just read that KDEPIM 4.6.1 has been released, let's see if this will improve things, I guess Gentoo will have it soon. If not, I will delete my account
[kde] Re: A week of KDE4 usage
Kevin Krammer writes: On Saturday, 2011-07-02, Alex Schuster wrote: BTW, ordinary users here means people who often do not speak English. The German localization misses a lot, so KDE 4 is not right for them. Is KDE 4 meant to be for these people? I'm not sure. Hmm, using KDE localized for German myself I can't really agree with this. Do you have an example of something not being translated properly? Sorry, no. Since 4.6.3, nearly all my KDE applications suddenly are in English. An exception is systemsettings, although the applications in it are English again. The K menu also has German entries, and the KDE Help Center has most stuff in German. Must be some bug because kde-l10n is installed, and German is set as application language in the help menu. I don't care much, let's wait and see if 4.7 will correct this. Before 4.6.3, most things were German, but sometimes dialogs were not. But no, I can't remember any specific ones. Do by any chance run something Ubuntu based and using their language packages? No, Gentoo. BTW, who actually does the coding for KDE 4? How many of those people are being payed for this, how many just do this for fun in their free time? I don't think there is any significant number of developers currently being paid to work on KDE. IIRC Aaron Seigo is, David Faure is 50%, some of the people working on Calligra Office are. The Kontact Touch project was done as a contract work for a German covernmental entity, but that has been delivered and there are currently no follow-up contracts as far as I know. Canonical might have somebody working on KDE stuff as well. Thanks. I thought it were some more. So, despite my constant ranting about the bad quality of KDE4, it's astonishing what a group of mostly unpaid volunteers can accomplish. This is a huge project, and it is quite cool. If only the stability were better. Gnome works fine, but I did not use much of it. Networkmanager is a pain, and I had a hard time setting up WLAN. This was not very user friendly. Interesting, I always found NetworkManager to be quite easy, at least when the WLAN is broadcasting its ESSID (which most of them do). Mostly using WPA though, had to experiment a bit when doing WPA-PSK, but work also from UI (i.e. no file editing required). I have never used WLAN with Linux before, and I hoped that it would automagically work. The interfaces came up, but when I tried to connect, I was asked for the WEP password. Some notice that my WLAN drivers were not capable of WPA would have been nice, I did not know what was the problem. Or a list of the interfaces capabilities. I still do not understand why a PCMCIA card did not work, that worked out of the box with an earlier Ubuntu Version. After I flashed the internal card, WPA suddenly worked. But the interface often does not come up after resuming from suspend to RAM or disk. Sometimes the connection also drops during normal usage. I get a notification that the interface is down, but NetworkManager still shows it as up. I have to manually disconnect and then connect again. Should be no big deal, but this is my Mom's notebook, she's 61 years old and has no experience with computers. She does not understand why she has to disconnect something that just told her in a notice that is has been disconnected. But maybe I exaggerated a little, it's not _that_ bad. I have heard many bad things about it, maybe this biased my opinion. I also did not find a quick way to turn it off altogether, I would prefer the interface to be up all the time, even if no one is logged in. maybe this is a nice feature for moving laptops, but this one always connects to the same access point. I also did not like that I had to enter the password for, um, I guess it's the equivalent of KDE's wallet, but I was able to solve this by adding a PAM rule. The password still has to be entered after waking up from suspend, I didn't find a solution for this, but she can live with that. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: KDEPIM 4.6 prob^Wimpressions
Kevin Krammer writes: On Wednesday, 2011-06-29, Alex Schuster wrote: Kevin Krammer writes: On Tuesday, 2011-06-28, Alex Schuster wrote: BTW, I have lots of resources named akonadi_ical_resource_0 to akonadi_ical_resource_20 (only number 19 is missing), all with no file name selected. You can delete those (kcmshell4 kcm_akonadi_resources or from KOrganizer), this is a hard to reproduce bug (timing related) when migrating calendars. Thanks, I did so. Looks less cluttered now. There ares till some empty resources: - Personal Calendar: No file selected - Adressbuch: No KDE address book plugin configured yet. - akonadi_kabc_resource_2: No KDE address book plugin configured yet. - akonadi_kcal_resource_0: No KDE calendar plugin configured yet. I guess I will just delete them. Never did much with the calendar, and the address book seems to work, although kmail does not use its entries for auto completion. But that's no problem, I just have not dealt with this yet. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: kwin performance gets worse and worse with every release
Nikos Chantziaras writes: I just installed KDE RC1. The trend of kwin becoming slower and slower continues with this release. I remember KDE 4.3 (or maybe 4.2) where kwin was fast and nice. After every release, it would become slower. It reached a negative peak with 4.6. Now with 4.7 RC1, kwin has become even more slow. It's extremely annoying to use. What is happening to kwin? It's becoming the definition of sluggish GUI. Out of every window manager I have tried, kwin is now the slowest of them all. Is it also slow with compositing turned off (Alt-Shift-F12 to toggle)? With compositing turned on, moving windows is awfully slow here, while switching desktops is faster. But I guess this is an X / OpenGL problem on my side, other things are also slow. It's okay to use, but every time I log into another environment, I realize how fast window movements can be. Does performance degrade over time? kwin has a memory leak, it starts with around 35M, but after some days it uses more than 1G. Weird things start to happen then, like title bars not being drawn any more. It's time for a logout then. I'm using KDE 4.6.4 on Gentoo Linux. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: KDEPIM 4.6 prob^Wimpressions
Kevin Krammer writes: On Tuesday, 2011-06-28, Alex Schuster wrote: I did the big KDE 4.6.3 - 4.6.4 upgrade. Along came the change to KDEPIM 4.6. I feared for the worst, and indeed, it didn't work too well. Ah, sorry to hear that. Most distributions have fortunately not put the new PIM into the normal repositories yet but kept it in experiemental ones for early adopters. I should have written that I am a Gentoo user on ~amd64, which is something like Debian's testing branch. Although the KDEPIM upgrade was a fault on my side. I wanted to wait a little for the big KDE upgrade, but I overlooked kdelibs, and when this had been upgraded, I got the usual errors about different API when starting konqueror. So I just did the whole upgrade and just hoped it would work well. I had upgraded to KDEPIM 4.6 in February already, when it had been unmasked accidentally for a day or so, and I also had lots of problems. Fortunately, after the downgrade all was fine again. On the first login after the upgrade, Akonadi stuff was migrated, and some errors happened. The notice boxes closed automatically before I could make screenshots. Something with the migration of 'Standard-Kalender' to native backend failed, and some more stuff I do not remember. The mail migration part should have written its output to a file as well, check $HOME/.kde/share/apps/kmail-migrator Good idea to save this, although a notice box telling me would have been nice. But there is no such file, locate only finds .kde4/share/config/kmail-migratorrc. I did not find this akonadi_maildir_resource_3 in the Akonadi Console. So I grepped through .kde4/share/config/* , and found it as DefaultResourceId in the file 'specialmailcollectionsrc' only. I deleted the file, but it is being recreated identically when Akonadi is restarted. I do not know what this is and where is comes from, but I created a dummy Maildir resource (it was called akonadi_maildir_resource_5), and put that into the specialmailcollectionsrc file. Now KMail sort of worked. Well, I got other errors, but at least it no longer crashed during startup. The special mail collections config basically holds the information which mail folders are to be used for default outbox, sent-mail, etc. The initial setup is therefore usually done by the mail sending service (Akonadi maildispatch agent) since it is the one requiring these folders. The migrator attempts to switch that to the folders KMail1 used to use, so my guess is something went wrong there. The mail sending service should actually be able to re-create its default choice of folders if it detects problems, no idea why that did not kick in or why it did not work. Okay, so I changed the entry to akonadi_maildir_resource_0. Looks good, now my Outbox is being used, I just an error befor because it did not exist. BTW, I have lots of resources named akonadi_ical_resource_0 to akonadi_ical_resource_20 (only number 19 is missing), all with no file name selected. Whatever. Easy to fix, but I do not think KMail should crash because of missing folders. Very true. In case this happens again, could you probably save the crash report? Looks like I forgot to. I was about to report this, but could not log in, and left the report open until I logged out, without saving it. I will try and see if it happens again. There's so many strange things happening. One time when sending a mail, akonadi asked the wallet for the mail password which I accepted, and after this I got kmail's password dialog. I saved the mail as draft instead, quit kmail and restarted, and did not have to specify any password. On the other hand, I have 'akonadi_localbookmarks_resource_0', showing my Konqueror bookmark folders. Is this normal? Is there any use? I only see the folders and the number of entries, but I do not see the entries itself. Can I delete this somehow, or make KMail not display them? Without removing the bookmarks from Konqueror. Weird thing those should show up in KMail, the content MIME type should be totally different. I already had this in February, when I had the new KDEPIM for a day. I guess I have to report some bugs on this. In any case you can remove the resource, removing a resource only removes the backend handler program, not the backend's storage (e.g. not removing a data file or directory). Good to know. Thanks, Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: KDEPIM 4.6 prob^Wimpressions
Duncan writes: Alex Schuster posted on Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:59:30 +0200 as excerpted: The mail migration part should have written its output to a file as well, check $HOME/.kde/share/apps/kmail-migrator Good idea to save this, although a notice box telling me would have been nice. But there is no such file, locate only finds .kde4/share/config/kmail-migratorrc. kmail-migrator indeed appears here. (@ wonko/alex, it's a dir, not a file, in share/apps, not in share/config, where the rc is located. Not sure if you caught that or not. If you only looked in config or only looked for a file, not a dir, that would explain your not seeing it. But maybe it /is/ missing in your case, as I didn't have the earlier migration attempt here, that might have messed yours up further.) I simply used the locate command, which should match files and directories. Now I checked again, and no, there is no such directory. But I see kres-migrator/migration.log. It tells what has been migrated, and also has some errors: - Could not find root collection for resource akonadi_aknotes_resource_4 - Migration of 'Standard-Kalender' to native backend failed: Failed to create resource: Agent instance creation timed out. - Migration of 'Standard-Kalender' to compatibility bridge failed: Unable to create compatibility bridge: Agent instance creation timed out. Nothing about mail in this file though. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: Running dolphin from a shell script and opening it in a specific directory.
John Woodhouse asks: Just how do I do this? I have already tried just typing dolphin in the console and it comes up with loads and loads of soprano errors preceded by dolphin (6667) but does launch. I need it to open pointing at a specific directory from a bash script at the point just before it exits. Here I don't get any messages at all. Strange. And when I give directories as arguments, they are opened, in tabs if there are more than one. With the --select option, you can also specify files, those will be selected. Also be interested in any example type web pages on this subject and more info on the general aspects of scripting KDE. I'm also interested about examples of scripting KDE. You can do many cool things via dbus, but I don't know yet how. This script must run from the bash shell. One aspect of that is how to stop the shell flashing up briefly? Don't know what you mean by that. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: A week of KDE4 usage
Duncan writes: Alex Schuster posted on Wed, 11 May 2011 13:46:10 +0200 as excerpted: On the test account, it's still not working. I have only the German language to choose there, although American English is enabled in systemsettings. You have the dictionaries for both installed, right? Let's see... according to the kdelibs dependencies, USE=spell depends on app-text/enchant, which depends on either aspell or hunspell depending on /its/ USE flags. I switched to hunspell some versions ago, and have myspell-en as the dictionary used based on my my linguas=en setting. If you have German as well, presumably you'd need either myspell-de or myspell-de-alt installed for hunspell, or the parallel aspell and its dicts if you have USE=aspell instead of USE=hunspell. (enchant has a third USE flag as well, zemberek, but that's Turkish only, apparently.) Whoa, that's it! I had aspell (with aspell-de and aspell-en) and hunspell installed (with myspell-de). But myspell-en was missing. I installed it, and now it's working! Thanks for the hint. Turns out that I was missing 'en' in $LINUGUAS, so it's quite my own fault. But still, my test account has no automatic spell checking capability (I logged out and in again). And manual checking also works for American English, not for German. But as it's only a test account, so I close the case :) Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: A week of KDE4 usage
Kevin Krammer writes: On Tuesday, 2011-05-10, Alex Schuster wrote: Actually, I'm quite okay with kmail, although there's some more problems. Sometimes it shows new mails in my IMAP inbox that I already deleted, the solution is to log into my mail server, start mutt, and let it purge these mails. It also hangs sometimes, especially if my IP had changed, but that's not always the case. I close it, and if it doesn't restart because there's still a hanging kontact process, I kill it. And I avoid to delete IMAP folders, or I navigate really quickly out of the folder, because if not kmail will crash. And I really would like to use multiple tabs, but when other tabs are open, mail in those folders is not being checked. Umm, actually that's a lot of bugs. Maybe you are right, but I got used to Kmail, and I tend to prefer the KDE application over other alternatives. What you could be trying is to use Disconnected IMAP instead of normal one. This is a two way sync of a local cache and the IMAP server, meaning you can access mails at any time, even when offline. Which would be nice indeed. DSL is acting a little instable here sometimes. I am using this with several IMAP accounts and have never seen a problem with stability. Additionally it allows KMail to apply local filters on incoming messages. So I created a new account (when I found out there is no option to set in the existing account), there I can select 'Disconnected IMAP'. I never noticed this account type before, is it new? A little glitch was that suddenly (maybe after the update to 4.6.3?) KMail is no longer able to access the wallet for new passwords. It can retrieve the existing ones so I have not noticed this yet, but new accounts cannot store their password in the wallet. Downloading messages... whoops, KMail does not like when the partition gets full :) But no harm was done, KMail threw some error messages and exited cleanly. Okay, it seems to work, thanks for the pointer! Now let's see if I also have trouble with new mails that are not shown. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: A week of KDE4 usage
Rafa Griman wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 1:49 AM, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote: [Oh, this has become rather lengthy. It's a description of my various problems with KDE4, the details are not so important, no need to read it all. My question is: Are your experiences similar to mine?] No and yes. My experiences WERE similar (not any more :) The thing is that the issues I had with KDE SC stability/hiccups/whatever were on a certain distro. When I switched distro ... KDE SC was stable. I have not had any stability issues with KDE SC on ArchLinux. Previously I was running openSUSE, Mandriva, ... Same KDE SC versions. With ArchLinux I have had NO issues whatsoever since KDE SC 4.2. Strange. I did not expect so many differences. Stability issues that is. As you say, maybe some features are missing ... but whn I'm at work with Windows ... I also miss some features (hell ... I miss ALL the features I have in my ArchLinux + KDE SC at home ;) I agree. I use it on my notebook right now while I'm away from my desktop PC, but I only run thunderbird and firefox, and an xterm with a tmux session running on my desktop PC. So I'm doing most things in the shell, which is also okay for me. But on my Linux desktop I often prefer to use the user interface KDE gives me. So the thing is: have you tried another distro? Honestly, change distros and you'll see that KDE SC isn't as bad as you think. Nooo way, this won't happen :) Sorry, but I just love Gentoo Linux. I'd rather give up KDE4 than using another distro for my personal purposes. I also have some experience with [open]SUSE, Fedora and Ubuntu, but I did not use KDE4 much there, and did only basic things that would work here, too. Yes, I do suggest other people to use KDE. OK, OK, ... ArchLinux, Debian, Gentoo, Slackware, ... are difficult to use. You can't get your dad/mom/aunt/whatever to use it. TBH, that's BS. My sister in law is running ArchLinux on an ACER ONE 800 KM from me. She has NO idea of computers (much less Linux). What I did was install ArchLinux with KDE SC on her netbook on the weekend, she left on Sunday ... and hasn't had an issue in over 2 years. Just one support call because she changed DSL provider and the guy that came to install the DSL didn't know Linux. She called me, told her to start a konsole, su -, /etc/rc.d/network stop, /etc/rc.d/network start ... WOW !! I can browse the web again !!! That's all it took. She listens to music, edits her own videos, edits her own music, browses the web, watches movies, ... Oh, BTW, she's an aerobics instructor ;) My small sister ... same case, but with Debian. ex-girlfriend ... same case with Gentoo (maybe that's why she's an ex-girlfriend ;) My small sister's PC runs Gentoo, because I installed it and I know this distro best. But she only uses KMail, Firefox and aMSN, nothing special. Not sure what to install on my Mom's notebook. ArchLinux and Gnome maybe. Something very very simple, this stuff is new to her. She does not speak English, so a good localization is necessary, KDE4 still has too much English stuff. My wife: ArchLinux + KDE SC ... I work 100 KM from home and travel a lot. Support calls since she uses KDE SC 4.2? None ... The trick is to setup the computer with all the stuff they need. It's stable, it works, no virus, ... no calls :) In the openSUSE Spanish mailing list, there have been all types of regrets towards KDE 4 ... how many have tried KDE on another distro ? ... But people keep on ranting that it's KDE's fault. That's not true. We all know that distros usually add some features to help you and make your life easier and nicer. Honestly, try ArchLinux. It just works. Maybe you have to spend a whole weekend installing it and configuring it. But once it's up and running ... you never ever configure it again: it's a rolling distro :) Yes, I heard good things about ArchLinux, I think it would be my choice if there were no Gentoo. And a rolling distro is great. Back in my SuSE/Mandrake/Debian/Libranet days, there was not a single upgrade from one version to another that did not have big flaws. Some bugs were fixed, but others appeared, all in all things went not much better, and I had to put time into discovering the new problems and finding workarounds for them. Gentoo sure also has it problems, but if some update refuses to install I can continue working. I do not have to take a free weekend like for a Mandrake update, hoping that the time would be enough to get a working system again, and being prepared to restore the backup just in case the update would mess up everything. I do not even have to take the machine down for upgrading, my home server once had an uptime of 400 days, running the newest software. Well, except for the kernel, which is why I had to reboot eventually. And I've run ArchLinux + KDE SC with and wothout the official closed source ATI catalyst drivers. No stability issue
[kde] Re: A week of KDE4 usage
Billie Walsh writes: On 05/09/2011 06:49 PM, Alex Schuster wrote: I'm somewhat diesappointed with KDE4. I'm using it since 4.2, and it's become much much better - but still, there are just so many bugs. Is it just me, or it this normal? Would you suggest other people (being unskilled uses, not hackers) to use KDE4? What OS and desktop environment does your Mom's PC run? I've never hesitated to suggest Kubuntu to someone unfamiliar with Linux. I usually tell them that there is a bit of a learning curve to make the changeover. I suggest that they dual boot with whatever they are using and play around with Kubuntu when they have some spare time until they get used to it. That's pretty much how I made the switch from Windows to Linux. After a while I realized that I hadn't booted into Windows for weeks. I never looked back after that. I also suggested Windows people to give Linux a try, and they were okay with it. It works different, but for most purposes (mail, WWW, some word processor) there's no big difference. And they were happy that they no longer got their PCs infected by viruses or spyware. But htey were no power users. And thast was before KDE4. I never used a distribution list with kontact, so I tried this for myself. I created a new contact group 'Testgroup' in kaddressbook and added some people with their e-mail addresses. Kmail then knows about this Testgroup (it auto-completes it) - great, I think before KDE 4.6 addressbook and kmail did not exchange their data, Kmail did not know about the people in the address book. But when I send a test mail, nothing happens. It turned out that the mail is being sent to testgr...@myhost.my.domain, and not to the members. This seems to be a known bug that was already fixed, but it's happening again. [1] I tried Kmail once years ago and absolutely hated it. Haven't tried it since, and with all the issues I read about on the help lists I wont ever try it again. Actually, I'm quite okay with kmail, although there's some more problems. Sometimes it shows new mails in my IMAP inbox that I already deleted, the solution is to log into my mail server, start mutt, and let it purge these mails. It also hangs sometimes, especially if my IP had changed, but that's not always the case. I close it, and if it doesn't restart because there's still a hanging kontact process, I kill it. And I avoid to delete IMAP folders, or I navigate really quickly out of the folder, because if not kmail will crash. And I really would like to use multiple tabs, but when other tabs are open, mail in those folders is not being checked. Umm, actually that's a lot of bugs. Maybe you are right, but I got used to Kmail, and I tend to prefer the KDE application over other alternatives. I used Thunderbird in Windows when it was first released. When I switched over to Linux I continued to use Thunderbird. It just simply works. No fuss, no muss. Creating a distribution list is very simple. I _do_ use thunderbird on Windows (right at the moment), and it also has its problems. Like hanging when quitting, and eating 100% CPU time until I kill it. And it tends to not remember that I want my folder views threaded. But it's okay for me. [FTP with dolphin] get the password and downlaod the file. BTW, I wouldn't have been able to download it with dolphin anyway [3], because it has German umlauts in the file name. I use Gftp. OK, I know it's not a K program, but it's much easier to use that any of the K programs. Sorry. Save everything to the bookmarks. One click and I'm ready to upload and download. Well, two actually. One for the bookmark menu and one for the actual site. I keep everything set up so that when I click on a site it changes the local directory to where it's supposed to be as well as the remote directory. It's simple. I'll have a look... ah, right, I've used in the past already. I guess there are lots of FTP frontends, but if you say it's working fine, why not use it. I have no problem with Gnome applications, although I would prefer to use dolphin if it were working correctly, as it integrates better into my KDE desktop. I thought about krusader, but there I find no bookmark facility. One thing you mention, about the warning box's. I find that sometimes they wind up behind anything else on the desktop. they should pop on top of whatever, but By now I know about this effect, but when it first happened it took me a while to figure out what's going on. The application seemed to hang, and I killed it two times until I saw what was going on. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: A week of KDE4 usage
Kevin Krammer writes: On Tuesday, 2011-05-10, Alex Schuster wrote: I never used a distribution list with kontact, so I tried this for myself. I created a new contact group 'Testgroup' in kaddressbook and added some people with their e-mail addresses. Kmail then knows about this Testgroup (it auto-completes it) - great, I think before KDE 4.6 addressbook and kmail did not exchange their data, Kmail did not know about the people in the address book. KMail had access to the addressbook from some version of the KDE2 cycle. KAddressBook, KMail (and other applications, e.g. Kopete) basically read the same files. But I rememer that auto-completion in Kmail did not work for addresses in Kaddressbook, and I'm pretty sure I read about this in a bug report. And that it's fixed now, which I can confirm. My friend who quit KDE4 also experienced this problem, but with a rather old version of KDE4 at that time. But when I send a test mail, nothing happens. It turned out that the mail is being sent to testgr...@myhost.my.domain, and not to the members. This seems to be a known bug that was already fixed, but it's happening again. [1] Could be a problem with the Nepomuk setup. It might not be running or it might not have told about the contacts. At least Kmail autocompletes the name. So I had to first add the system tray plasmoid, then I could get the password and downlaod the file. Just for future occasions: kioclient copy ftp://someserver/somefile /some/local/dir Hmm, normally I do not know the name of 'somefile'. But I did not know about kioclient, that's a nice utility that will come handy I think! BTW, I wouldn't have been able to download it with dolphin anyway [3], because it has German umlauts in the file name. Might depend on the way your access FTP. If you have an ftp:// URL there won't be any problem no matter of character, because they needs to be encoded anyway. I have an ftp://user@host/directory/ URL, the file name I don't know until I look into this directory. Dolphin shows the file with the correct name (including the umlaut), but insists the file does not exist when I try to download it. gftp show the file name in the remote folder as empty, but it is able to download the file. Dolphin now replaces the umlaut in the local file with a question mark in a black diamond, and still is not able to do anything with it. My system is UTF8, the files with umlauts are latin1. The shell also does not show the umlaut in the file name, it is replaced by two question marks. But I can access it by using tab completion or wildcards. Or I convert it with convmv -f latin1 -t utf8. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: A week of KDE4 usage
Duncan writes: Alex Schuster posted on Tue, 10 May 2011 22:48:36 +0200 as excerpted: But htey were no power users. And thast was before KDE4. You were saying something about your spellchecker being broken. That's too bad, as you NEED it. =:^) Nah, I'm putting in these errors deliberately until someone finally fixes the spllchckr bug :) Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: pager insists on 2x2 layout
Duncan writes: I believe I've seen similar, a few times. But I don't worry too much about it and just let it stay at the default. For switching, I normally use either the desktop-grid view (set to trigger when the mouse hits the top-left corner of the desktop), or more frequently, simply scroll-wheel on the desktop itself. Meanwhile, there's also the individual keyboard shortcuts for each desktop, if worse comes to worse. I don't use them much on my main machine, but DO use them frequently on my 1024x600 resolution netbook, where I have the checkbox set for kwin to maximize nearly everything, including dialog windows, so the desktop is very rarely available to scroll over. These are CTRL-F1 thru CTRL-F12 (up to 12 desktops) by default, but I map them to Win-F1 (Meta-F1) upward instead, as the Win key is what I map nearly all my windows and other kwin shortcuts to. Whoa, using the Win key for window-relates shortcuts is a really great idea! Actually, that's what I do too :) Finally a use for this dammn Windows key. So I'm using it much much more often than when I'm using Windows. I use Win-F1 to Win-F6 to change desktops, and with Win-Shift-F1 to Win-Shift-F6 I can send an application to the desired destination. Or make it sticky on all desktops with Win-Shift-Esc. The scrolling wheel works, too, but I don't use it at all, I think I better deactivate it. I also don't think like my remote desktop is my admin desktop plus three, instead I think 'admin' is 1, and 'remote' is 4. And I can switch with one keypress, instead of having to scroll the wheel exactly tree times. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: pager insists on 2x2 layout
Daniel Barna writes: I configured pager to have 4 desktops in 1 row, and assigned the shortcut keys Ctrl+Alt+Right/Left to change desktop. All went nicely, but after each restart/login, the Desktop Switch On-Screen Display shows a 2x2 layout, and correspondingly, the above keyboard shortcuts only allow to change 1 desktop (because the other two are not left- or right, but below these). In the Panel, the desktops are organized 4 in a row. Is this a known bug? Is there an easy fix for this? I don't know. But here it's the other way around, sometimes: I have 3x2 desktops, but a few times it happened that when I log in, it is 6x1 layout. Somtimes also the position of the pager was shifted two positions to the left. I did not care too much about it, and undid the changes. But it makes me wonder how much other stuff might get changed that I don't notice directly. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] A week of KDE4 usage
Hi there! [Oh, this has become rather lengthy. It's a description of my various problems with KDE4, the details are not so important, no need to read it all. My question is: Are your experiences similar to mine?] I'm somewhat diesappointed with KDE4. I'm using it since 4.2, and it's become much much better - but still, there are just so many bugs. Is it just me, or it this normal? Would you suggest other people (being unskilled uses, not hackers) to use KDE4? What OS and desktop environment does your Mom's PC run? One week ago, a friend wrote me an e-mail that he gives up on using KDE4. He spent half a day to configure some KDE menus, quick starters and such stuff on his uncle's PC. Works, but it took him a while. Then he spent some hours to figure out how to create a distribution list, and did not succeed. And he wonders why such basic things do not work - were they not tested, did someone of the developers actuall try it out? Were they working, and is this a new bug? Meanwhile, systemsettings had crashed about 20 times on that day. He compares KDE4 with a new car that has a great new injector technology, but even in the fourth revision the windscreen wipers just do not work. So he gave up. And he is sad, because his uncle, who does not know much about Linux, got the impression is that this linux is something for weirdos only. I never used a distribution list with kontact, so I tried this for myself. I created a new contact group 'Testgroup' in kaddressbook and added some people with their e-mail addresses. Kmail then knows about this Testgroup (it auto-completes it) - great, I think before KDE 4.6 addressbook and kmail did not exchange their data, Kmail did not know about the people in the address book. But when I send a test mail, nothing happens. It turned out that the mail is being sent to testgr...@myhost.my.domain, and not to the members. This seems to be a known bug that was already fixed, but it's happening again. [1] Now here's a list of other weird stuff happening during the last week: Monday, my boss phoned me and wanted me to download a PowerPoint file from our FTP server. This happens often, so I have a folder view with some starters to access various sites via FTP, VNC and such. But when I double-clicked on the current version of the .ppt document, dolphin crashed. Seems to happen all the time I click a .ppt document. And when one dolphin crashes, _all_ instances crash. It's annoying to re-create them as I like them to be - for example, there is a dolphin grouped with a konsole window, the dolphin has two tabs, each tab is a split view, and they show specific locations. Takes a while to re-create this setup. I can also just log out and in again, but then I have to save my work first. And I lose stuff like all the tabs in akregator. Those seem to be saved when I manually save the session, but this often messes up the session, so I never do this without doing a backup of my .kde4 directory. Back to the download. I clicked my program starter in order to open a dolphin with the FTP target directory, but nothing happened. No idea why, just another weird problem. I started dolphin manually and entered the URL, but it did not connect. So I went to the text terminal and used command line ftp. The problem is that I did not know the password, that's what I have the wallet for. But how to access the wallet? I only found out about the --show option to kwalletmanager after this, before I used to open it by using the system tray. But I had the tray disabled because of another nasty bug that made plasma crash dozends of times per day [2]. So I had to first add the system tray plasmoid, then I could get the password and downlaod the file. BTW, I wouldn't have been able to download it with dolphin anyway [3], because it has German umlauts in the file name. The next problem was that akregator fired up two notifications every few minutes, that the certificate of my own web server is unverified. Yes, it's self-generated, and in the past I could just hit the accept button and tell it to also accept it in the future. This no longer worked, when I just came back to my PC I have to close dozends of these windows. The problem somehow went away when I finally logged out, but that took a while as I was busy doing things. Same day: Akregator suddenly messed up articles - feeds showed entries that came from other feeds. I restored the akregator configs and data from a backup and this is working again. But many inexperienced users would not have a clue what to do in such a case. BTW, the date column in akregator is gone, this happens from time to time here for two months [4]. It's not very annoying, unless I accidentally click on the title column and everything is no longer sorted by date, and I canot revert to sorting. Again, I restore the akregator config file and alls fine again. For a while. Another day I wanted to reboot, so I initiated a shutdown via the menu. The screen went grey as usual, but the
[kde] Re: is there a way to assign apps. to certain activities
Duncan wrote: Meanwhile, I NOT have the different activity (widgets) per desktop option (found in kcontrol, workspace appearance and behavior, workspace behavior, virtual desktops) active (and I've no desire to test it either, last time I got to adventurous testing different plasma options I got hit with cascading bugs... an experience I'd rather not trigger again when I'm happy with the current already customized setup), so I'm not sure how it interacts with the above, but with the two concepts linked, it seems that again, there'd be little use for both submenus as sending an app to a different desktop would be the same thing as sending it to that desktop's activity. If that's true, then the activities submenu may be hidden if that's enabled, as well, since one can simply use the desktops submenu to the same effect. Again, this was changed recently, you no longer get a different activity for each virtual desktop when you enable the 'Different widgets for each desktop' checkbox. Instead, the plasmoids of an activity span over all desktops. I have six desktops, but still only one activity. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: How to set up Menu items such that if an instance is already running, the running instance is brought to the foreground?
Dotan Cohen writes: That's actually not a bad idea! I already run a fix-kde script when they log into to reset the damage that they've done to the panel the last time: #!/bin/bash kbuildsycoca4 kquitapp plasma-desktop cp $HOME/.bin/kde-fix/plasma-desktoprc $HOME/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktoprc cp $HOME/.bin/kde-fix/plasma-desktop-appletsrc $HOME/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc kstart plasma-desktop Nice, I will use that, too. Until now I copied the files manually from by backup when logged out. Plasma gets corrupted fairly often here, the plasma stuff appears on the wrong desktops, or plasmoids are missing. I also make a backup of .kde4 before I dare to save the session, because this also often corrupts the session. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: How to set up Menu items such that if an instance is already running, the running instance is brought to the foreground?
Dotan Cohen writes: That's actually not a bad idea! I already run a fix-kde script when they log into to reset the damage that they've done to the panel the last time: #!/bin/bash kbuildsycoca4 kquitapp plasma-desktop cp $HOME/.bin/kde-fix/plasma-desktoprc $HOME/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktoprc cp $HOME/.bin/kde-fix/plasma-desktop-appletsrc $HOME/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc kstart plasma-desktop Nice, I will use that, too. Until now I copied the files manually from by backup when logged out. Plasma gets corrupted fairly often here, the plasma stuff appears on the wrong desktops, or plasmoids are missing. I also make a backup of .kde4 before I dare to save the session, because this also often corrupts the session. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: How to set up Menu items such that if an instance is already running, the running instance is brought to the foreground?
Dotan Cohen writes: I have two separate cases where seniors using KDE like to open many instances of the same application rather than use the already-open application. This is a user problem, not a KDE problem, but I wonder if there is technical solution. Switching to Gnome, maybe? I think there the default behaviour is to not allow multiple instances of the same application. These users click the application's menu item to start using the application, even if there is already an open instance in the Taskbar or in the System Tray. Examples include Firefox, Skype, Solitaire (Windows executable running in Wine), and some others. Therefore, I'd like to write a wrapper script for each of these apps to check if there exists a running instance. If not, then open the application. If yes, then bring the running application to the foreground. Can this be done? I could probably grep ps aux for the application and to get it's pid, but how to bring it to the foreground? Thanks! You could use xlsclients -al to get the list of running applications and their window IDs, and then xdotool windowactivate windowid to bring it to the foreground. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: How do I restart KDM?
Duncan writes: Meanwhile, I've read various hints about getting C-A-BS to work again, but like the above, they've always come at inconvenient times (as might be expected for something that aborts the entire graphical desktop and anything running in it... pretty much /any/ time is inconvenient, especially when the browser one usually uses to read such things works in that graphical environment and there's usually other things going at the same time that I don't want to terminate...), and I need the feature seldom enough it has always remained on the back burner... What about starting another X server? Something like: XSESSION=openbox(?) startx -- :1 - your KDE session stays alive - you can check if this is a KDE-only issue, or generally happens with X Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Manipulating local maildir
Hi there! I moved a large mail folder from my IMAP server to my local folders with Kmail. Then I found out that I have most mails three times. It's no big deal, but I wonder how to find and remove those duplicates. Didn't an older Kmail version have such a feature? There are some scripts that will do this. But here's my question: Would it be safe to change things in .kde4/share/apps/kmail/mail/? Or could I mess up some Kmail / Akonadi databases by doing so? Will hell break loose? Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: How to set the KDE path?
Kevin Krammer writes: On Tuesday, 2011-02-08, Dotan Cohen wrote: ✈ganymede:~$ cat .kde/env/path.sh #!/bin/bash export PATH=$HOME/.bin:$PATH Maybe try without the first line. Hmm, this can't really matter, it's just a comment. I'd try adding something like echo $PATH /tmp/startkde.log to verify if this file is being sourced. Or maybe even edit /usr/bin/startkde, activating bash debug output, putting all stuff between parantheses and redirecting output to another log file: #!/bin/sh # # DEFAULT KDE STARTUP SCRIPT ( 4.6.00 (4.6.0) ) # ( set -xv # enable debugging [rest of script] ) /tmp/startkde.fulllog 21 It might be better to only put the relevant part into parantheses. On my Gentoo system it's from line 199 to 214: ( set -xv libpath=`kde4-config --path lib | tr : '\n'` for prefix in `echo $libpath | sed -n -e 's,/lib[^/]*/,/env/,p'`; do for file in $prefix*.sh; do test -r $file . $file done done ) /tmp/startkde.fulllog 21 Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: Are parallel KDE sessions safe?
John Layt wrote: On Saturday 29 January 2011 12:55:33 Alex Schuster wrote: Is it okay to run two or more parallel KDE sessions with the same user? Our multimedia PC runs KDE4 now, but the only display is a TV, and things are not so easy to read. So I configured the desktop by starting KDE4 via FreeNX from another PC. But what when I the same user is already logged in? Can strange things happen if I make changes to KDE settings, maybe even config file inconsistency or corruption, when both KDEs store different settings? Well, while probably not fatal there's no guarantees you won't mess up your config somewhere. I feared this might happen. Okay, I won't doo this (too often) then. About config file corruption well, that's anothe rthread. Better would be to use FreeNX to shadow your existing session rather than start a new one. If using nxclient from nomachine this option is under config/desktop and choose shadow instead of unix. When connecting you'll then be given a list of existing sessions to choose from, and you will then see and control exactly what's on the TV screen, which is probably more useful in a media server context than a separate session. Many thanks, John! I'm using NX for a while now, but I completely overlooked this desktop shadowing stuff. It's perfect for the PC connected to the TV. If only it would work better. I get a list of two displays to connect to, but they are identical, and there is no user listed. When I try to attach to one from Windows, a large (larger than the 640x480 of the TV) window opens, but instantly closes. I played around with this again, from my Linux machine. Same result, or maybe worse, because the window did not open at all. Then I changed some config settings, just removing the comment characters, so I think that should have changed nothing. But suddenly it started to work. The window opens, it is much larger than it should be, although I set the display to 'As on the server', or tried forcing it to 640x480. But it's only zoomed, the underlying resolution is correct. So I decided to like it that way. Quality is also much higher when I have the window bigger with 640x480 fonts are pixeled. I reverted to the original config, and it still works. I always restarted the server, so I have no idea why it did not work first. The only problem is that it is really hard to access the panel when it is set to auto-hide. I have to go down to the lowest pixel row, even if I have the original window zoomed a couple of times. And it still does now work from my Windows notebook, which is the PC I would be sitting at when doing stuff with the TV-PC. But I can use NX to connect to my linux PC, and I from there I can connect to the TV-PC. So, thanks again, my main problem is sorta solved by your tip. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
