Re: Spectacle badness

[gene heskett]

On 11/4/23 12:40, Mikhail Nidze wrote:

On 01-11-2023 20:24, pete wrote:


Hi  Folks

is anyone one else having issues with the latest version of spectacle

  this is version 23.08.2 i am talking about
All previous versions  you opened spectacle up  positioned it where you wanted
it  and it remained there  this new pain you open it move it to where YOU want
it , take you screen shot and it auto centres on the screen  that causes me
lots of issues

I have tried to revert to the 22.xx.xx line but cant do it because of other
changes  .

I use spectacle a LOT can be 200 to 300 shots some days and that behaviour is a
real show stopper


Hello.
Did you try System Settings - Window Management - Window Rules?

I have just created the rule for Spectacle with Position set to
"Remember" and it works (latest Plasma 5.27.9 and Spectacle v23.08.2),
i.e. the Spectacle window remembers its position.


Works here too, thank you muchly.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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Re: Spectacle badness

[gene heskett]

On 11/4/23 12:40, Mikhail Nidze wrote:

On 01-11-2023 20:24, pete wrote:


Hi  Folks

is anyone one else having issues with the latest version of spectacle

  this is version 23.08.2 i am talking about
All previous versions  you opened spectacle up  positioned it where you wanted
it  and it remained there  this new pain you open it move it to where YOU want
it , take you screen shot and it auto centres on the screen  that causes me
lots of issues

I have tried to revert to the 22.xx.xx line but cant do it because of other
changes  .

I use spectacle a LOT can be 200 to 300 shots some days and that behaviour is a
real show stopper


Hello.
Did you try System Settings - Window Management - Window Rules?

I have just created the rule for Spectacle with Position set to
"Remember" and it works (latest Plasma 5.27.9 and Spectacle v23.08.2),
i.e. the Spectacle window remembers its position.


Works here too, thank you muchly.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: new bullseyr install, kmail5 troubles

[Gene Heskett]

ping?



On Thu, 2 Dec, 2021 at 11:23 AM, me  wrote:
 

To: kde@mail.kde.org


Greetings all;


kmail5 can't see incoming mail placed in in default incoming location, 

~/$user/.local/share/local-mail.


It is there for an ls but when kmail looks its ghosted out. Why?



And it claims it cannot find the import wizard. and its name isn't obvious.
So what is its filename for apt or synaptic?


Thanks All


Cheers, gene

new bullseyr install, kmail5 troubles

[Gene Heskett]

Greetings all;


kmail5 can't see incoming mail placed in in default incoming location, 

~/$user/.local/share/local-mail.


It is there for an ls but when kmail looks its ghosted out. Why?



And it claims it cannot find the import wizard. and its name isn't obvious.
So what is its filename for apt or synaptic?


Thanks All


Cheers, gene

new kmal5 user

[Gene Heskett]

Greetings all;


Where can I find a tut on setting up kmail5 to talk to a dovecot imap instance 
on this same machine?


Thanks, Gene

Re: [kde] Plasma 5 as a daily driver?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 10 November 2015 04:07:37 ianseeks wrote:

> On Monday 09 Nov 2015 20:18:44 c. marlow wrote:
> > On 11/09/2015 01:40 PM, Ian Pilcher wrote:
> > > All in all, I find myself wondering if other people are really
> > > using Plasma 5 as a "daily driver" (or is my usage really so
> > > different that others aren't hitting these bugs).
> >
> > Honestly I would say NO!
> >
> > They ( the development staff) took out one feature that is keeping
> > me on KDE 4.
> >
> > And that feature was called the multiple wallpapers on different
> > Virtural Desktops.
> > Now I didnt use multiple wallpapers, but I would put an Icon on one
> > desktop because thats the desktop I want that program to run on, and
> > then put another icon on another virtural desktop because thats
> > where I want that app to run. They the creators claim its because of
> > " Security Flaws and risks" my butt!
> >
> > And when adding icons to the desktop they have this HORRIBLE clear
> > box around them in KDE 5, when you switch from Container view, to
> > desktop view and put my icons that I use the most on my desktop.
>
> So its a feature you are missing rather than bugs stopping you from
> upgrading

Me too. Removing multiple, fixed per workspace wallpaper capability was 
the straw.  That, and the instabilities drove me to TDE.  What it does 
do, it Just Does, dead stable.

> > Christopher M
> > Running Kubuntu 14.04 and KDE 4.
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Re: [kde] Turning Zoom with scroll wheel off?

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 22 October 2015 03:22:52 Draciron Smith wrote:

> Kate has started zooming text with the scroll wheel and it's driving
> me batty. On those rare occasions I need to zoom I do Control +  or
> use a menu feature. I scroll text up and down with the wheel all the
> time. I have looked everywhere in the KDE settings and KATE settings,
> I have mouse gestures turned off. Cannot find anything that will allow
> me to turn off the text zoom.

I've had that exact problem with geany, save & quit, then restart the 
edit session seems to be the only recovery I've found.

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Re: [kde] Kmail duplicates and Akonadi

[Gene Heskett]

ce procmail to write a copy to 
both names.

However, for that to work correctly, claws needs to respond, like kmail 
does, to a message on a dbus port.  But at the time I asked, dbus was not 
supported.

Can I assume that this version 3.8.1-2 of claws now has dbus support?

Or is there some other way I can send it a "go get the mail" command from 
a bash script?

Send transport here is simple smtp, direct access to my account on the 
mail server.

Is there anything I need to be aware of up front in such an email agent 
switcheroo?

Thanks Duncan and all.
 
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Re: [kde] Kmail-1.13.5 "Reply to mailing list" is using old list addy and its been moved

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 01 March 2014 21:53:05 Thomas Tanghus did opine:

> On Saturday 01 March 2014 00:43 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 01 March 2014 00:32:46 Thomas Tanghus did opine:
> > > On Friday 28 February 2014 21:31 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > So the question is where, in a running kmail, do I reconfigure
> > > > this behavior?
> > > > 
> > > > And I am aware that this message probably belongs to the kde-pim
> > > > list, but the noise level from the robot has become intolerable
> > > > to the user. 1500+ msgs in the last 2 days, I unsubbed.
> > > 
> > > You should use the kdepim-users list for questions like this.
> > > kde-pim is the developers list that also gets review requests etc.
> > > 
> > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-users
> > 
> > wait a sec, you said kdepim-users, not kde-pim, my mistake. I have
> > subscribed to that several times over the years, since the kmail list
> > went away, but no matter how many times I subscribed, I couldn't
> > post, and eventually got a reject message because I was not
> > subscribed.  So I would subscribe again. Obviously I gave up, 2 maybe
> > 3 years ago.
> > 
> > Not too impressive to someone who has been using kde since the 1.0
> > days, what, 1998? Since before everyone was worried sick over the
> > "y2k" non- problem.
> > 
> > Does that server have a reputation for amnesia?  Or did it in years
> > past?
> 
> I've been subscribed to kdepim-users, well since it started without any
> problems, and I'm a pre-1.0 KDE user in case that should at all matter
> ;)
> 
> > Cheers, Gene

I have not received a msg from that list in 2+ years, so I, according to 
FF, thinks I am still subscribed, so I will cross post one test message, 
this one, just to see if it comes back, and gets sorted to the now empty 
kdepim-user folder I have just setup.  However, when I attempted to visit 
the subscriber list, using my usual username and password,  
authentification failure, so I guess I am unsubbed.  But it knows me, so 
therefore does not present me with the subscribe option.

So, as usual, the server seems to be its usual AFU.  But this is nuts, I 
used the back button to back out of the auth failure screen, and now is is 
giving me a subscribe option. subscribe message sent. Confirmation msg 
rx'd, and replied to.  Welcome msg received.  Now we see if it works, or I 
get a bounce

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] Kmail-1.13.5 "Reply to mailing list" is using old list addy and its been moved

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 01 March 2014 08:44:43 Kevin Krammer did opine:

> On Saturday, 2014-03-01, 08:22:47, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > But no one has answered as to the reason the kdepim-users list seems
> > to have amnesia about its subscribers?
> 
> Have never experienced that with any mailinglist.
> 
> What could have happend is that mails from the list server got bounced
> or rejected by your mail server and the list software decided to drop
> you.
> 
> Cheers,
> Kevin

That doesn't hold much water, the server I've used since it went online in 
1999 is running qmail, and doesn't reject very much, so I run mailfilter in 
front of fetchmail, and if it 'deny's a msg, it just deletes it, no bounce 
is sent, its a waste of time to send a spammer a bounce anyway.  I have 
around 2000 (and growing) full class D addresses and about 20 class C's I 
reject because they send nothing but spam.  So if I rejected it at the 
server with mailfilter, your server would never see it.  What it might see 
is for the last 2 years, we've had a heck of a time keeping the various 
winderz boxes clean, and somebody's office machine will get us nailed by 
spamcop.  That your server would see.  Unfortunately I am retired now for 
12 years, so I haven't a lot of control over that except to advise Jim he 
has a dirty machine someplace in the building.  Sales people have all been 
advised to keep paper copies of their contact lists because if a machine 
gets rooted, it WILL be formatted & reinstalled.  We also run a open wifi, 
isolated from any other inside subnet so help can bring in their own 
rootkitted lappy on the weekends, and that has got us nailed for a day or 2 
now & then.

Winderz machines are our major PITA, but training a salestype to use 
anything else is impossible because all their clients run winderz.

So we are damned if we do, and damned if we don't.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] Kmail-1.13.5 "Reply to mailing list" is using old list addy and its been moved

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 01 March 2014 08:06:12 Kevin Krammer did opine:

> On Saturday, 2014-03-01, 00:32:00, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 01 March 2014 00:12:50 Thomas Tanghus did opine:
> > > Then it would be kind to supply the solution you found in your
> > > message for users that in the future will search for the same
> > > answer and find your question in the mailing list archives.
> > > For those users I can inform that you can RMB-click on the folder,
> > > select "Folder properties"=>"Mailing list"
> > 
> > It would be nice if that option was available from the RMB click on
> > the foldername in the folder list, but 1.13.5 as supplied by 10.04.4
> > LTS is bereft of such an item.  ISTR it used to be there a couple
> > years ago, but is not now.
> 
> I think it was moved out of the context menu because people kept
> complaining about it being to full and this being a feature not used by
> many and those who do would be advanced users and able to find it in
> the main menu.
> 
> Classic example of not being able to make everyone happy :)
> 
Or as one rather opinionated GM I used to have was fond of saying, "it 
worked, so we quit doing it." But in reality, it was he who was always 
jumping on the "next big thing" to boost sales.  Often as not his ideas 
went splat in the marketplace or were counter to the rules. He also wanted 
to run a lottery, and I had to shove the 47CFR rules under his nose rather 
forcefully on that point. :(  There was more, but when he was "retired", I 
was still standing. :)

> I also liked it in the context menu, IMHO this is what it is there for.

+ at least 2.  But I know its old and will not be pulled out of the closet 
again without a CVE or such.  And this isn't.

But no one has answered as to the reason the kdepim-users list seems to 
have amnesia about its subscribers?

Cheers Kevin, Gene
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Re: [kde] Kmail-1.13.5 "Reply to mailing list" is using old list addy and its been moved

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 01 March 2014 00:32:46 Thomas Tanghus did opine:

> On Friday 28 February 2014 21:31 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > So the question is where, in a running kmail, do I reconfigure this
> > behavior?
> > 
> > And I am aware that this message probably belongs to the kde-pim list,
> > but the noise level from the robot has become intolerable to the
> > user. 1500+ msgs in the last 2 days, I unsubbed.
> 
> You should use the kdepim-users list for questions like this. kde-pim is
> the developers list that also gets review requests etc.
> 
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-users

wait a sec, you said kdepim-users, not kde-pim, my mistake. I have 
subscribed to that several times over the years, since the kmail list went 
away, but no matter how many times I subscribed, I couldn't post, and 
eventually got a reject message because I was not subscribed.  So I would 
subscribe again. Obviously I gave up, 2 maybe 3 years ago.

Not too impressive to someone who has been using kde since the 1.0 days, 
what, 1998? Since before everyone was worried sick over the "y2k" non-
problem.

Does that server have a reputation for amnesia?  Or did it in years past?

Cheers, Gene
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: [kde] Kmail-1.13.5 "Reply to mailing list" is using old list addy and its been moved

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 01 March 2014 00:12:50 Thomas Tanghus did opine:

> On Friday 28 February 2014 21:31 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > So the question is where, in a running kmail, do I reconfigure this
> > behavior?
> > 
> > And I am aware that this message probably belongs to the kde-pim list,
> > but the noise level from the robot has become intolerable to the
> > user. 1500+ msgs in the last 2 days, I unsubbed.
> 
> You should use the kdepim-users list for questions like this. kde-pim is
> the developers list that also gets review requests etc.

It is also being blown completely away in terms of user usefulness by 
anywhere from 20 to 500+ messages a day from the robot.  That crap needs to 
go to the devel list, so the users can actually find a human generated 
message someplace in all the noise.
 
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-users
> 
> > I should advise that I found it by reading the web page docs on the
> > web site
> 
> Then it would be kind to supply the solution you found in your message
> for users that in the future will search for the same answer and find
> your question in the mailing list archives.
> For those users I can inform that you can RMB-click on the folder,
> select "Folder properties"=>"Mailing list"

It would be nice if that option was available from the RMB click on the 
foldername in the folder list, but 1.13.5 as supplied by 10.04.4 LTS is 
bereft of such an item.  ISTR it used to be there a couple years ago, but 
is not now.

The web page I found while googling for the problem, advises to use the 
toolbar folder pulldown to access the mailing list settings.  I had also 
tried that several times but all actions were ghosted.

Unfortunately, I had to make sure I was in the folder, reading a message 
about 8 or 9 times before it would un-ghost any of its functions.  Once I 
had managed to get the chew positioned right, I could click on the 
'autofind" button, it, because there were 600 messages in the folder from 
the old server, found the old server, but it would then allow me to hand 
edit that line and reset it to the new server.  And now it works.  Without 
executing the autofind function, manual entry in that same text box was 
disabled.  I should have been able to enter it at any time, but this is 
old, so theres not much use filing a bug...

> If the solution you've found is different please quote it here or in the
> kdepim-users list.

Let me know when they turn off that robot in the users list and I'll re-
subscribe.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] Kmail-1.13.5 "Reply to mailing list" is using old list addy and its been moved

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 28 February 2014 21:38:10 Gene Heskett did opine:

> So the question is where, in a running kmail, do I reconfigure this
> behavior?
> 
> And I am aware that this message probably belongs to the kde-pim list,
> but the noise level from the robot has become intolerable to the user.
> 1500+ msgs in the last 2 days, I unsubbed.
> 
> Thanks.
> Cheers, Gene

I should advise that I found it by reading the web page docs on the web 
site
.
Sorry for the noise.

Cheers, Gene
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[kde] Kmail-1.13.5 "Reply to mailing list" is using old list addy and its been moved

[Gene Heskett]

So the question is where, in a running kmail, do I reconfigure this 
behavior?

And I am aware that this message probably belongs to the kde-pim list, but 
the noise level from the robot has become intolerable to the user. 1500+ 
msgs in the last 2 days, I unsubbed.

Thanks.
Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] {OT} Cross-compiling the kernel

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 02 February 2014 19:43:01 Frank Steinmetzger did opine:

> On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 07:58:22AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Sat, Feb 01, 2014 at 12:39:16PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > It would not surprise me to learn that neither nepomuk, soprano,
> > > > nor virtuoso-t, can deal with a 30gig database on a 32bit PAE
> > > > system. They have all been segfaulters from the gitgo here.
> > > > 
> > > > So I am intermittently looking for an alternative.  Including a
> > > > full 64 bit kernel build, but the build process makes that
> > > > impossible.
> > > 
> > > How so? Special case on your machine? I'm running a 64 bit kernel
> > > with an otherwise 32 bit userland on my Atom netbook. All you gotta
> > > do is get a 64 bit compiler toolchain (which is quite easily
> > > achieved on Gentoo) and pass some parameters to the kernel make.
> > 
> > [...]
> > gentoo eh?  Thats a system I have not yet tried.  I wonder how long it
> > would take to get this system rebuilt in gentoo?
> 
> The netbook takes maybe 20 hours to build a KDE update (not full
> environment, only kdebase, most of kdepim and some select programs).
> The kernel with only the stuff I need takes around 55 minutes (Atom
> N450, single core with HT).
> 
> > So, what else do I need to change in the build tools dept, to be able
> > to build a working 64 bit kernel?  This is the ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS
> > version of build_essentials. So even the compiler is old, so old it
> > hasn't the ability to build any stack protection bits.
> 
> Well, the Gentoo way uses a package called crossdev. You just tell it
> the desired architecture and it builds the toolchain (binutils, gcc and
> glibc). With those three, I am able to build the kernel.
> 
> To actually build the kernel, you have to either set the different
> compiler in menuconfig, or pass it as parameter to make. The line from
> my Makefile:
> 
> cd /usr/src/64 && make -C /usr/src/linux O=`pwd`
> CROSS_COMPILE=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu- bzImage modules
> 
> (I separate build dir from sources dir)
> 
> > And before I go charging off to do a gentoo build, what is the first
> > users UID on gentoo?
> 
> 1000

Good, one less roadblock.  In the meantime I built a 3.13.1-x64, crashed 
about 2 secs into the boot, no init found. Uncheck that box, go turn on the 
PAE, and I expect it would boot ok.  Sigh...

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Re: [kde] virtuoso-t constantly segfaulting

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 02 February 2014 07:12:19 Frank Steinmetzger did opine:

> On Sat, Feb 01, 2014 at 12:39:16PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > It would not surprise me to learn that neither nepomuk, soprano, nor
> > virtuoso-t, can deal with a 30gig database on a 32bit PAE system. 
> > They have all been segfaulters from the gitgo here.
> > 
> > So I am intermittently looking for an alternative.  Including a full
> > 64 bit kernel build, but the build process makes that impossible.
> 
> How so? Special case on your machine? I'm running a 64 bit kernel with
> an otherwise 32 bit userland on my Atom netbook. All you gotta do is get
> a 64 bit compiler toolchain (which is quite easily achieved on Gentoo)
> and pass some parameters to the kernel make.

Well, I just built 3.12.9, with the 64 bit box checked, twice last night, 
using the .config's from this working 3.12.6. Both crashed less that 2 
seconds into the boot but at different places.  So I unchecked the 64 bit 
box in a make xconfig, and I am about to see if that will then boot, brb.
Worked, without the 64 bit checkbox. But that lost me the PAE bits, 5Gb of 
my ram is gone.  As is the cpu family was now set for pentiums instead of 
my phenom, so fix that and rebuild again is in progress.

I took screen shots of the failures, but the last one apparently started 
about 3 feet above the screen, less than informative, so at this point, I 
am still stuck on a 32 bit, soon to be PAE system.  Soon being relative, a 
complete pass of my makeit script is an over 30 minute process even with 
ccache running. 

gentoo eh?  Thats a system I have not yet tried.  I wonder how long it 
would take to get this system rebuilt in gentoo?

Ubuntu seems to set a very high fence between 32 bit and 64 bit.  Time to 
reboot again and see if I have my memory back. brb.

Ok, got my memory back.  Wish it was that easy for my wet ram. Take 2 cups 
of coffee to bring it to life, so its in the one eye open simultaneously 
stage ATM. :)

So, what else do I need to change in the build tools dept, to be able to 
build a working 64 bit kernel?  This is the ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS version of 
build_essentials. So even the compiler is old, so old it hasn't the ability 
to build any stack protection bits.

And before I go charging off to do a gentoo build, what is the first users 
UID on gentoo?  That is 1000 for ubuntu, and switching back to a first 
UID=500 system totally disables my ability to "ssh -Y shop", running that 
specially built ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS because ssh doesn't use login names, but 
UID's, so it will not allow a login from a UID=500 system on its UID=1000 
system.  That is a right PIMA too.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] virtuoso-t constantly segfaulting

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 01 February 2014 12:35:22 Kevin Krammer did opine:

> On Friday, 2014-01-31, 08:59:12, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Friday 31 January 2014 08:46:17 Kevin Krammer did opine:
> > > On Friday, 2014-01-31, 01:05:48, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Friday 31 January 2014 01:02:31 Thomas Tanghus did opine:
> > > > > On Thursday 30 January 2014 22:18 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > > but now that
> > > > > > Konsole is being spammed by everything akonadi does.  Which is
> > > > > > a lot of noise to me.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't get what you mean. If you start akonadi or an akonadi
> > > > > reliant client from Konsole it prints out debug msgs. But that's
> > > > > not how you're supposed to start it unless you want debug msgs
> > > > > to be printed.
> > > > 
> > > > I used "akonadictl restart" from a Konsole.
> > > > I must have 100k lines of:
> > > > [akonadiserver] Could not contact query service.
> > > > in that Konsoles backtrace by now.
> > > 
> > > Qt4 doesn't have any logging system so all log output goes to
> > > stderr, which is what you are seeing here.
> > 
> > Which explains why I am seeing them, but not why its fussing in the
> > first place?
> > 
> > Seems to me there ought to be a reason that I now have several 100k
> > lines of:
> > 
> > [akonadiserver] Could not contact query service.
> > [akonadiserver] QStringList Akonadi::NepomukSearch::search(const
> > QString&) Calling blockingQuery() failed!
> 
> Looks like Nepomuk is not running and Akonadi is getting search request
> which it can then not delegate to Nepomuk as it expects it can do.
> So it logs an error.
> 
> Cheers,
> Kevin

It would not surprise me to learn that neither nepomuk, soprano, nor 
virtuoso-t, can deal with a 30gig database on a 32bit PAE system.  They 
have all been segfaulters from the gitgo here.

So I am intermittently looking for an alternative.  Including a full 64 bit 
kernel build, but the build process makes that impossible.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] virtuoso-t constantly segfaulting

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 31 January 2014 08:46:17 Kevin Krammer did opine:

> On Friday, 2014-01-31, 01:05:48, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Friday 31 January 2014 01:02:31 Thomas Tanghus did opine:
> > > On Thursday 30 January 2014 22:18 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > but now that
> > > > Konsole is being spammed by everything akonadi does.  Which is a
> > > > lot of noise to me.
> > > 
> > > I don't get what you mean. If you start akonadi or an akonadi
> > > reliant client from Konsole it prints out debug msgs. But that's
> > > not how you're supposed to start it unless you want debug msgs to
> > > be printed.
> > 
> > I used "akonadictl restart" from a Konsole.
> > I must have 100k lines of:
> > [akonadiserver] Could not contact query service.
> > in that Konsoles backtrace by now.
> 
> Qt4 doesn't have any logging system so all log output goes to stderr,
> which is what you are seeing here.

Which explains why I am seeing them, but not why its fussing in the first 
place?
 
Seems to me there ought to be a reason that I now have several 100k lines 
of:

[akonadiserver] Could not contact query service.
[akonadiserver] QStringList Akonadi::NepomukSearch::search(const QString&) 
Calling blockingQuery() failed!

on that konsole session.

FWIW, none of nepomuk, soprano or virtuoso-t are running as they usually 
seqfault and die after using 100% of a core for 2 or 3 hours after the 
reboot.  The email corpus here is about 12Gb.  By the time those 3 get done 
with it or crash & burn, its north of 30Gb used according to a du -h.  
There is a name for that, and we put it on grain fields.  Probably because 
the install is 32 bit.

> Cheers,
> Kevin

Thanks Kevin

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] virtuoso-t constantly segfaulting

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 31 January 2014 02:21:40 Duncan did opine:

[...]
> > Sorry, no, Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS, currently frozen for lack of a newer
> > kernel that is RTAI patchable.
> 
> OK.  I know both OpenSuSE and (K)Ubuntu do the year-based release number
> thing, and thought I remembered you being on OpenSuSE, but either my
> memory is bad or you switches somewhere along the line.

Never been on OpenSuSE.
 
> Either way, presumably the numbers are enough different that people on
> one or the other would know it either was or wasn't the one they were
> on, but to someone using a different distro entirely the number doesn't
> mean a lot without a distro name attached... and even then, other than
> possibly raw age (2010 was awhile ago...), there's no clue as to what
> specific kde version we're talking about.
> 
> Which was really my point, it's a kde list so we need the _KDE_ version,
> so I guess I made it better than I thought I did... =:^/

4.4.5, needs a shaving kit, its that old.
 
> >> On topic... I'm actually not sure as I switched from kmail to
> >> claws-mail some time ago (early 4.7 timeframe, when it became clear
> >> akonadified kmail was going somewhere entirely different than I was
> >> interested in following) here, but...
> > 
> > I can't argue with that other than to point out that I too am on the
> > claws list, and its teething problems are stopping me from converting
> > in the middle of the creek.  The maildir format I am using with KDE
> > is also apparently NOT importable between them.
> 
> I'm not actually on the claws list.  I've thought about it, but so far
> I've not gotten the appropriately rounded tuit... =:^)

I'll put you (Duncan) on the list to get one if I ever find a really good 
pattern to carve them.  I think I have promised at least 20 of them so far. 
:)

> Anyway, unfortunately the maildir format isn't /directly/ importable
> into claws-mail's native mh-folders, but there are various methods to
> get around that, including import scripts (tho I had to hack the one I
> used a bit as it was rather dated), using mutt to do the conversion
> since it understands both and /can/ do the conversion, or doing
> something with IMAP (either putting everything on your IMAP server
> temporarily if you have one and a big enough quota, or at least
> temporarily setting up a local IMAP server, such as dovecot, for the
> conversion, after which finishing the conversion may not matter so much
> any more since the IMAP server stores the mail).

I've attempted that too, but it does not seem to want to co-operate.
When you have a smoothly functioning fetchmail/procmail/clamav/spamassassin 
setup delivering the incoming mail to /var/spool/mail/user, docs on how to 
make dovecot work from that seem to be non-existent.

Am I the only one in or out of captivity that wants to do that?

Then so kmail doesn't have to loop on an independent schedule, I have 
another script that uses inotifywait watching the mail spool and the tells 
kmail to go get the mail over the dbus circuit. So all kmail has to do is 
get it, sort it to the right folder and wait on me.  Instant gratification.

Unforch, I don't think dovecot has a dbus input.  Thats handier than 
bottled beer folks.

> I didn't know about the mutt option when I did my conversion, but was
> planning to do the IMAP thing if the scripted conversion didn't work.
> Fortunately for me the scripted coversion worked, even if I had to hack
> it a bit to get it to work, but that does mean I don't have actual
> experience with the other options.
> 
> Regardless, I don't like getting stuck in a bind like that, and one way
> or another, it *DO* get off the platform, after which I won't go
> anywhere near it.  That's how I ended up leaving the MS platform as
> well, because with eXPrivacy's remote authorization MS crossed a line
> that I simply wasn't going to cross, and the only way I had to stay on
> the platform was to go illegal, which I wasn't prepared to do either,
> so I really had no choice but to get off it.  Which is why I'm so
> strictly anti-slaveryware to this day, refusing to run even the
> proprietary flash plugins or nVidia drivers that so many run on Linux. 
> I've escaped that hell-hole and there's no way I'm going back!

Theres an echo in here.
 
> Which, to a rather lessor degree since at least it's still freedomware,
> is about how I feel about akonadified kmail at this point.  They put me
> in a bad bind that it was difficult to get myself out of, which only
> guaranteed I *WAS* going to find a way out, which I did, and it's
> "unlikely" I'll ever find myself going back as a result.
> 
> OTOH, I could in theory find myself back using MS for at least part of
> my machines if they were to go freedomware (never say never, right?),
> and in another X years, after kmail is long stable, I guess I could in
> theory end up back on kmail, even if it's still on some way future
> version of whatever they're using for a database by then.
> 
> 
> Meanwhile, s

Re: [kde] virtuoso-t constantly segfaulting

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 31 January 2014 01:06:58 Thomas Tanghus did opine:

> I should have trimmed this post, but I wouldn't know where :D

So I did. :(
 
> I could have spent an hour or two looking up linuxcnc, rtai, xenomai
> patchkit, and so forth, but it seems to me you should be running a
> separate box (or virtual box) for your "stepper motors". I vaguely
> remember you mentioning it, but also then thought that it wasn't anyway
> relevant to a "desktop" environment.

I might gently remind you that a computer can be made to do anything it has 
the hardware to do.  This one actually has a lot more hardware than the 
machine controllers do.
 
> Trying seriously to be as diplomatic as possible, I'd say that you
> should really consider separating your mission critical work from you
> day-to-day work space.

I know you mean well, and its appreciated, but theres enough diff between 
10.4.4 LTS and 12.04.3 LTS that an ssh -Y into the real machines isn't very 
stable (tends to crash the target box) and NFS shares are hit & miss too. 
So while I am instantly running a much newer 3.12.6 PAE kernel on this box, 
the installs are still the same.

Besides those considerations, the 12.04.3 LTS GUI is a huge step backwards 
in usability, or my other drive with it on it, is horribly miss configured. 
CTL+ALT+t won't call up a console for instance, I have to go hunt thru a 
totally different menu system to find it.

> > Cheers, Gene
> 
> To you too, and sorry if I sounded condescending - I'm not sure I have
> the age for it in this forum :)

You haven't said, and thats one of those things that, combined with a buck 
and a half, will get a 16 oz hot coffee to go at the local 7-11 store.

My apologies too, I tend to use my age (working on the 80th) as an excuse 
to be a jerk without first establishing my creds. :(

xenomai is a "patchkit", just like RTAI is, just to give linux the ability 
to do something with a steady 20 u-sec heartbeat, with not more than 2 u-
secs of jitter in that heartbeat.  Normal linux might be able to manage 20 
milliseconds unless its an nvidia driver and video card, in which case it 
could be 500 milliseconds.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] virtuoso-t constantly segfaulting

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 31 January 2014 01:02:31 Thomas Tanghus did opine:

> On Thursday 30 January 2014 22:18 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > but now that
> > Konsole is being spammed by everything akonadi does.  Which is a lot
> > of noise to me.
> 
> I don't get what you mean. If you start akonadi or an akonadi reliant
> client from Konsole it prints out debug msgs. But that's not how you're
> supposed to start it unless you want debug msgs to be printed.

I used "akonadictl restart" from a Konsole.
I must have 100k lines of:
[akonadiserver] Could not contact query service.
in that Konsoles backtrace by now.

Uptime is close to a month, bout time to reboot anyway.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] virtuoso-t constantly segfaulting

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 30 January 2014 22:04:26 Duncan did opine:

> Gene Heskett posted on Thu, 30 Jan 2014 18:35:12 -0500 as excerpted:
> > On Thursday 30 January 2014 18:31:43 Duncan did opine:
> >> Vacuum internal storage
> > 
> > Interesting Duncan, but my old 10.04.4 LTS version of it doesn't seem
> > to recognize that and doesn't do anything but throw a help screen, so
> > I have to stop, and restart kmail at least daily or it just gets
> > slower and slower.  I assume the effect is the same?
> 
> For the record, OpenSuSE 10.04.4, correct?

Sorry, no, Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS, currently frozen for lack of a newer kernel 
that is RTAI patchable.

> Because kde's only up to
> 4.12.1 (with 4.12.2 in preparation... I follow the 4.12 live branch and
> saw some commits bumping the version at my last update), so 10.x
> certainly can't refer to kde, which is what this list covers (tho
> opensuse does ship kde).
> 
> On topic... I'm actually not sure as I switched from kmail to claws-mail
> some time ago (early 4.7 timeframe, when it became clear akonadified
> kmail was going somewhere entirely different than I was interested in
> following) here, but...

I can't argue with that other than to point out that I too am on the claws 
list, and its teething problems are stopping me from converting in the 
middle of the creek.  The maildir format I am using with KDE is also 
apparently NOT importable between them.
 
> Assuming restarting kmail does an automated vacuum, the effect would
> indeed be the same.
> 
> But I think that's a bad assumption, as akonadi continues to run (at
> least it did back when I last used kmail/akonadi) if you're just
> restarting kmail.  I'd guess it'd take an akonadi restart at least, and
> even then, I'm not sure if that would trigger an automated vacuum or
> not.

I just tried it and kmail was made nice and snappy again, but now that 
Konsole is being spammed by everything akonadi does.  Which is a lot of 
noise to me.
 
> Presumably there is some sort of automated vacuum triggered
> periodically, say every 90 days or something, as that's how I think
> most databases handle it, but whether it's restart triggered, or
> periodic, presumably on the first restart after the period elapsed, or
> when some percentage of dead-space bloat is reached, or what...
> normally depends on the database, and I've absolutely /no/ idea what
> sort of automated maintenance techniques are used in this case.

Whatever method used, with the traffic here, its not near often enough.
 
> ... Which actually was one reason I got off of kmail/akonadi in the
> first place.  Email has been around a long time and isn't, or shouldn't
> be, rocket science, nor should it require users to be rocket scientists
> or database specialists to work with or troubleshoot it.  And that's
> exactly where kmail was going with akonadi. =:^(  I wanted an email
> client that simply handled email, reliably and consistently, and that's
> what old kmail gave me, but new akonadified kmail doesn't, so I
> switched to claws-mail, which gives me back reliable, consistent email
> handling with a nice gui once again.  As a bonus, it's nicely
> scriptable and easily hotkey configurable, too. =:^)  (Old kmail did
> have some hotkey configuration, but not like claws-mail does, and
> claws-mail simply blows away kmail in terms of not only allowing but
> upstream-encouraging script-based extension, with many third party
> scripts made available directly from the claws-mail site. =:^)

I will probably switch as I like its face, but when I switch drives and 
install the next official lcnc cd on a fresh drive.  I expect that 
announcement most any time, but for sure when 14.04 LTS is out so Sam, Jon, 
John and Michael know which kernel they have to hack the hell out of to 
make it real time.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] virtuoso-t constantly segfaulting

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 30 January 2014 21:54:58 Thomas Tanghus did opine:

> On Thursday 30 January 2014 21:39 Duncan wrote:
> > > I did not know akonadictl had that option! Will try it as soon as I
> > > get back.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I now see that it also has a 'vacuum' option, but the help text just
> > > says "Vacuum internal storage". Do you have any idea what it does?
> > 
> > Active databases (and filesystems, which work similarly) typically
> > create and delete a lot of records/files.  Akonadi deals with
> > messaging, so consider email and IM messages as they come in, with a
> > lot of them being spam and thus often deleted.  But for performance
> > reasons most databases and filesystems don't normally entirely wipe
> > all those deleted records (files) at the time of deletion; they
> > simply mark them as deleted in their index(s) somewhere and continue.
> 
> Thanks for the very detailed explanation Duncan. I wasn't familiar with
> the "vacuuming" term, but the assumptions I made seemed to be right.
> 
> In another matter, @Gene:
> > Interesting Duncan, but my old 10.04.4 LTS version of it doesn't seem
> > to recognize that and doesn't do anything but throw a help screen, so
> > I have to stop, and restart kmail at least daily or it just gets
> > slower and slower.  I assume the effect is the same?
> 
> "but my old 10.04.4 LTS version"
> 
> Gene, old lad, you're one LTS behind. I appreciate conservatism to a
> certain degree, but you really need to upgrade.

Thanks for the flowers "lad" Indeed... :)  But I am stuck with kernel 
2.6.32-132-rtai to be able to run linuxcnc even in the sim mode.  But we (I 
have mice in my pocket) should be ready to upgrade by 14.04 IF we can patch 
that kernel.  Paolo M. is behind on maintaining the rtai patch kit in 
regard to late kernels.  The xenomai patchkit also looks promising but 
doesn't manage the almost vanishingly small latency jitter figures that the 
RTAI patches can.  That is rather important when running stepper motors as 
jitter burns up available torque.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] virtuoso-t constantly segfaulting

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 30 January 2014 18:31:43 Duncan did opine:

> Vacuum internal storage

Interesting Duncan, but my old 10.04.4 LTS version of it doesn't seem to 
recognize that and doesn't do anything but throw a help screen, so I have 
to stop, and restart kmail at least daily or it just gets slower and 
slower.  I assume the effect is the same?

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] term config prolem

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 23 July 2013 13:25:53 Duncan did opine:

> Gene Heskett posted on Mon, 22 Jul 2013 14:29:31 -0400 as excerpted:
> > Running Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS, with enough kde pulled in to get kmail
> > (which won't even start & no one has ever seen that error) the next
> > biggest item stopping me from swapping drives and rebooting to it, is
> > the fact that as the #1000 user, I cannot configure the Konsole.  I
> > can, no errors are generated when I close the edit window, but my
> > changes are not there when I re-open the edit current profile 3
> > seconds later.
> > 
> > Does anyone have a magic twanger to allow me to configure the Konsole
> > to work as I need it?
> 
> I'd guess it's file perms somewhere along the line, probably on
> $KDEHOME/ share/config/konsolerc [1].  Ensure its UID/GID are set
> correctly and that it's writable by your user.
> 
> Of course I know some of your kmail history from earlier posts, but a
> bit after kmail akonadified, when I was jumping thru hoops to retrieve
> yet another lost mail due to akonadi, I asked myself why I had to deal
> with that, and decided I didn't, so now I don't.  I'm very happy on
> claws-mail now.  (And BTW, claws-mail has user-side script
> extensibility as a deliberate feature, so I expect you'd get along with
> it quite well too. The only downside is that switching can be a pain,
> but I'm /so/ glad I did, here.)
> 
> 
> [1] If the var is unset, $KDEHOME defaults to ~/.kde as shipped by kde,
> but some distros change that to ~/.kde4 or something similar.

I did that bit of script in the Autostart folder last night, and lost my 
kde menu's until I moved it out and rebooted.  But when I had rebooted, I 
found the options I have tried to save many times for konsole were actually 
present and working.  I had already done a sudo chown -R gene:gene on the 
.dke tree, several times to no avail.  Go figure.

I haven't smoked in 24 years, but I am feeling the need of some really good 
weed. It won't help me understand this stuff, but maybe I wouldn't care. :)
And they don't grow it locally.  Best description I'd label the local hay 
is that it would make good battery acid.

Cheers Duncan, Gene.

Sig nuked to get thru the server, else I get a hold msg that says they will 
tell me what they do with the held msg, but in several years, the 
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[kde] term config prolem

[Gene Heskett]

Greetings;

Now, I took my sig off, is it still spam.  Even with the sig, its not spam.

Running Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS, with enough kde pulled in to get kmail (which 
won't even start & no one has ever seen that error) the next biggest item 
stopping me from swapping drives and rebooting to it, is the fact that as 
the #1000 user, I cannot configure the Konsole.  I can, no errors are 
generated when I close the edit window, but my changes are not there when I 
re-open the edit current profile 3 seconds later.

Does anyone have a magic twanger to allow me to configure the Konsole to 
work as I need it?

For instance, I do software for a legacy machine, and need at least 100k 
lines of history I can scroll back through looking for build errors.  With 
a 1000 line default limit, 99% of a nitros9 build scrolls out of the buffer 
forever.  I have 8Gb of ram, so there's little excuse for such a style 
cramping limit.

Thanks all.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] kmail and kwallet

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 08 February 2013 11:28:39 P .NIKOLIC did opine:
Message additions Copyright Friday 08 February 2013 by Gene Heskett

> On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 06:29:06 -0500
> 
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > On Friday 08 February 2013 06:24:38 phanisvara das did opine:
> > Message additions Copyright Friday 08 February 2013 by Gene Heskett
> > 
> > > On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 04:40:44 -0500
> > > 
> > > Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > > > > and kwallet in general can be configured to use no password,
> > > > > which is perfectly safe on a singl user system. if others (who
> > > > > you don't trust) use the machine, better keep a password.
> > > > 
> > > > Now that I'd like to do if only the pw requester would steal
> > > > focus.  It doesn't so its 2 extra mouse clicks, 1 to wake up the
> > > > mouse and one to change focus, to get focus so you can enter your
> > > > pw.
> > > > 
> > > > 10.04 LTS 32 bit system here.  If you can point me to the right
> > > > files to edit to get rid of the pw requester, I'd appreciate it.
> > > 
> > > i'm afraid i don't understand the problem. if you do what i
> > > suggested, kwallet won't pop up anymore at all, since there's no
> > > password to ask from you.
> > > 
> > > to do that open the kwallet manager (or whatever it's called),
> > > usually it sits in your taskbar somewhere. right-clicking on the (or
> > > any, if you have more than one) allows you to change the password.
> > > once you set both to "" (blank), there's no botheration anymore.
> > > 
> > > as was mentioned in a previous thread some time, the passwords are
> > > still encrypted on disk, but kwallet won't require a password once
> > > your user is logged into KDE.
> > 
> > The problem is, there isn't such a beast on this machine.  It is
> > whatever that after starting kmail, pops up and asks for my user pw,
> > when I send the first mail after the start.  It doesn't grab focus so
> > you wind up typing blind until the click once to wake the rf mouse up
> > so you can see the pointer move, find the requester and click once on
> > it.  That is kwallet, but a fairly diligent search fails to find a
> > configurater for it.
> > 
> > Cheers, Gene
> 
> Go to System settings  password & user account  then click on KDE
> Wallet  top of the page untick Enable the KDE wallet subsystemapply
> problem of KDE wallet solved .
> 
> 
> Pete

I don't have that either.

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Re: [kde] kmail and kwallet

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 08 February 2013 11:24:05 P .NIKOLIC did opine:
Message additions Copyright Friday 08 February 2013 by Gene Heskett

> On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 06:29:06 -0500
> 
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > On Friday 08 February 2013 06:24:38 phanisvara das did opine:
> > Message additions Copyright Friday 08 February 2013 by Gene Heskett
> > 
> > > On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 04:40:44 -0500
> > > 
> > > Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > > > > and kwallet in general can be configured to use no password,
> > > > > which is perfectly safe on a singl user system. if others (who
> > > > > you don't trust) use the machine, better keep a password.
> > > > 
> > > > Now that I'd like to do if only the pw requester would steal
> > > > focus.  It doesn't so its 2 extra mouse clicks, 1 to wake up the
> > > > mouse and one to change focus, to get focus so you can enter your
> > > > pw.
> > > > 
> > > > 10.04 LTS 32 bit system here.  If you can point me to the right
> > > > files to edit to get rid of the pw requester, I'd appreciate it.
> > > 
> > > i'm afraid i don't understand the problem. if you do what i
> > > suggested, kwallet won't pop up anymore at all, since there's no
> > > password to ask from you.
> > > 
> > > to do that open the kwallet manager (or whatever it's called),
> > > usually it sits in your taskbar somewhere. right-clicking on the (or
> > > any, if you have more than one) allows you to change the password.
> > > once you set both to "" (blank), there's no botheration anymore.
> > > 
> > > as was mentioned in a previous thread some time, the passwords are
> > > still encrypted on disk, but kwallet won't require a password once
> > > your user is logged into KDE.
> > 
> > The problem is, there isn't such a beast on this machine.  It is
> > whatever that after starting kmail, pops up and asks for my user pw,
> > when I send the first mail after the start.  It doesn't grab focus so
> > you wind up typing blind until the click once to wake the rf mouse up
> > so you can see the pointer move, find the requester and click once on
> > it.  That is kwallet, but a fairly diligent search fails to find a
> > configurater for it.
> > 
> > Cheers, Gene
> 
> Did you tell Kmail to store the passwords as plain text in the config
> files   always worked for me   .
> 
> I always turned kwallet  off it was a PITA  i finally gave up on kmail
> and this akonadia  thingClaws Mail is every bit as good  which is
> where i am now .
> 
> 
> Pete .

I have considered claws, but there seems to be no way to import the kmail 
message corpus. Thats a show stopper as it goes back over 10 years. Thats 
in the 10Gb range here.

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] kmail and kwallet

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 08 February 2013 11:22:31 phanisvara das did opine:
Message additions Copyright Friday 08 February 2013 by Gene Heskett

> On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 06:29:06 -0500
> 
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > The problem is, there isn't such a beast on this machine.
> 
> then you don't have the taskbar-thingy installed. in that case, type
> "kwalletmanager" in a command prompt (user, not root), and the
> management utility should pop up, allowing you to remove the
> password.

Not present.  Installed it, fails with:
gene@coyote:/var/log$ kwalletmanager
Connecting to deprecated signal 
QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)

Next?  ;-)

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Re: [kde] kmail and kwallet

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 08 February 2013 06:24:38 phanisvara das did opine:
Message additions Copyright Friday 08 February 2013 by Gene Heskett

> On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 04:40:44 -0500
> 
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > > and kwallet in general can be configured to use no password,
> > > which is perfectly safe on a singl user system. if others (who
> > > you don't trust) use the machine, better keep a password.
> > 
> > Now that I'd like to do if only the pw requester would steal
> > focus.  It doesn't so its 2 extra mouse clicks, 1 to wake up the
> > mouse and one to change focus, to get focus so you can enter your
> > pw.
> > 
> > 10.04 LTS 32 bit system here.  If you can point me to the right
> > files to edit to get rid of the pw requester, I'd appreciate it.
> 
> i'm afraid i don't understand the problem. if you do what i
> suggested, kwallet won't pop up anymore at all, since there's no
> password to ask from you.
> 
> to do that open the kwallet manager (or whatever it's called),
> usually it sits in your taskbar somewhere. right-clicking on the (or
> any, if you have more than one) allows you to change the password.
> once you set both to "" (blank), there's no botheration anymore.
> 
> as was mentioned in a previous thread some time, the passwords are
> still encrypted on disk, but kwallet won't require a password once
> your user is logged into KDE.

The problem is, there isn't such a beast on this machine.  It is whatever 
that after starting kmail, pops up and asks for my user pw, when I send the 
first mail after the start.  It doesn't grab focus so you wind up typing 
blind until the click once to wake the rf mouse up so you can see the 
pointer move, find the requester and click once on it.  That is kwallet, 
but a fairly diligent search fails to find a configurater for it.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] kmail and kwallet

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 08 February 2013 04:35:41 phanisvara das did opine:
Message additions Copyright Friday 08 February 2013 by Gene Heskett

> On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 21:17:07 -0500
> 
> Robert  wrote:
> > Now the issue I am having is I keep being prompted for the
> > password for kwallet to access my email.  The exact text is as
> > follows;
> 
> you can remove mail accounts that you configurd in kmail by going to
> systemsettings -> personal information and deleting the account from
> there. unless you do that, KDE will continue to download your mail
> from those accounts.
> 
> and kwallet in general can be configured to use no password, which
> is perfectly safe on a singl user system. if others (who you don't
> trust) use the machine, better keep a password.

Now that I'd like to do if only the pw requester would steal focus.  It 
doesn't so its 2 extra mouse clicks, 1 to wake up the mouse and one to 
change focus, to get focus so you can enter your pw.

10.04 LTS 32 bit system here.  If you can point me to the right files to 
edit to get rid of the pw requester, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] scanned image size

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 26 January 2013 09:51:46 cr did opine:
Message additions Copyright Saturday 26 January 2013 by Gene Heskett

> On Saturday 26 January 2013 06:08:51 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On 25/01/13 14:56, Ingo Malchow wrote:
> > > Am 25.01.2013 14:13 schrieb "Doug"  > > 
> > > <mailto:dmcgarr...@optonline.net>>:
> > >> Hope this is the right forum for the question: I scan an image in
> > >> using xsane.  It displays magnified many many
> > > 
> > > times. I save
> > > 
> > >> that image as a .png file, and then when I open it, or email it
> > > 
> > > someone who opens it,
> > > 
> > >> either in Linux or in Windows, the image comes out very small on
> > >> the
> > > 
> > > screen--
> > > 
> > >> smaller than what the original was. (I'm scanning using the scan
> > >> function of an Epson WP-4530 multi-function printer, networked
> > >> via Ethernet.)
> > >> 
> > >> So: is there any way to make the scanned image on screen in xsane
> > >> look a reasonable facsimile, size-wise, of the original document
> > >> or picture,
> > > 
> > > and is
> > > 
> > >> there a way to make that image come out about that same size
> > >> when saved as .png and viewed by an image viewer like Gwenview,
> > >> or Windows Photo Viewer?
> > >> 
> > >> Thanx--doug
> > > 
> > > This is probably not the best fitting mailinglist, as this is a
> > > KDE centric user mailinglist. However, if i get it right, your
> > > problem seems to be the image viewer of choice doesn't seem to view
> > > an image in the original size but rather fits it to screen. And
> > > that is probably exactly what is happening. E.g. i have set
> > > gwenview to display images to that per default. If i need to zoom
> > > into an image to see the correct size i can do so. But you can't
> > > force a setting on users. Neither does there exist a global
> > > solution that sets any image viewer accordingly. Note, this assumes
> > > that you have scanned the image correctly and it is indeed saved in
> > > a  higher resolution.
> > 
> > Something else you might want to consider -
> > 
> > XSane integrates well with GIMP.  I scan from GIMP, which means I have
> > all the freedom I want to edit the image, scale it, or anything else
> > 
> > :-)  It's not a KDE app, but every distro has it.
> > 
> > Anne
> 
> I was going to mention Gimp too.
> 
> As a further point - when you scan, you decide  what size to make it,
> usually by setting the pixels per inch (either explicitly or by default
> setting in the software).Almost any graphics viewer (or Gimp) will
> tell you the size of the resulting image in pixels.You can resize
> it with Gimp etc. if you wish.
> How big some other person's graphics viewer displays it depends on their
> settings, it's not something you can dictate (as Ingo said).
> 
> cr

Generally, and the xsane viewer does this, the resultant scan will be shown 
to the user at the screens native resolution.  Here thats a hair under 100 
dpi, (96 IIRC) so if I scan at 600 dpi, the viewer is going to show me a 
huge, scrollable preview image because it will render that 600 dpi scaled 
up by the difference from the native.  IOW, and in round figures, an inch 
on the paper will be 6" on your screen if scanned at 600 dpi.  I use gimp 
to reset the visual sizes.

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Re: [kde] Cute, you don't like my message, so I'm bounced as not subscribed

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 17 November 2012 08:12:11 Bob Williams did opine:

> On 17/11/12 11:54, Bob Williams wrote:
> > On 17/11/12 10:34, Anne Wilson wrote:
> >> On 16/11/2012 22:34, Bob Williams wrote:
> > [...]
> > 
> >>> Well, actually, it didn't, because I never saw my post. In fact I
> >>> thought it had not got through until I saw your reply to my post. I
> >>> 
> >>>  think there's something not quite right about the list server.
> >> 
> >> Have you checked your settings in Mailman (follow the link at the
> >> bottom of the messages.  The last time someone approached me with
> >> this problem he found that changing settings there cured it.  Look
> >> especially for the settings for seeing your own posts and for
> >> dropping duplicates.
> >> 
> >> Anne
> > 
> > Bingo! (as Gene would say). Well done, Anne.
> > 
> > Bob
> 
> And Bingo^2 - I can see my own message to the list.
> 
> Gene, have you followed this?
> 
> Bob

Yep, sure have.  Works a treat as they say on the continent. ;-)

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Re: [kde] Has the KDE Social/Semantic Desktop been worth the hassle to anyone?

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 17 November 2012 07:00:27 Anne Wilson did opine:

> On 17/11/2012 09:16, Rafa Griman wrote:
> > Well Duncan, I agree with you in that there are two types of
> > people, that I _don't_ like the semantic desktop and I'm also a
> > Gentoo user (and Archer). But, IMHO, the devs could have made it
> > possible to deactivate the semantic desktop for those who don't
> > need/like it. I'm saying "could" and not should, IOW: not giving
> > orders, it's just MHO ;)
> 
> I think the problem is that you are wrong about this.  I think Akonadi
> has been so deeply coded in that it was not possible to have it
> deactivated and the applications still run.  Having two versions of
> applications to maintain is obviously overload on the developers.
> 
> Personally I'd be happier without it - but I much prefer optional
> things.  I like to organise my work as it suits me, so searching in
> that sense has no value to me.  The big dream, though, was to make
> information cross-application (which naturally means cross-platform
> too) for any application that finds the information useful.
> 
> Even that doesn't appeal to me, but looking at the number of facebook
> and twitter users, it probably would appeal to many.
> 
> Anne

While I OTOH, view sites like that as potential security leakage vectors.  
They want sign up info that IMO is none of their business.

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Re: [kde] Cute, you don't like my message, so I'm bounced as not subscribed

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 17 November 2012 06:58:18 Anne Wilson did opine:

> On 16/11/2012 22:34, Bob Williams wrote:
> > On 16/11/12 21:09, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> On Friday 16 November 2012 16:09:00 Chuck Burns did opine:
> >>> On 11/16/2012 11:33 AM, Bob Williams wrote:
> >>>> On 15/11/12 21:32, Duncan wrote:
> >>>>> Which leaves a very limited set of possibilities.  The
> >>>>> only two I know of that make sense at all, are that the
> >>>>> database was temporarily unavailable the first time (maybe
> >>>>> taken offline for a backup), then brought back into
> >>>>> service, but the listserv itself wasn't taken out of
> >>>>> service so it thought saw the missing database as an
> >>>>> unsubscribed address (but if so, why haven't Anne or I seen
> >>>>> similar issues?), OR... my original theory, that the
> >>>>> listserv deactivates subscriber addresses after a period of
> >>>>> inactivity, as a spam control measure or the like.
> >>>> 
> >>>> We can test that theory ... I'm a lurker who hasn't posted
> >>>> to this list since July 1st.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Let's see if I've been de-activated...
> >>>> 
> >>>> Bob -- Bob Williams System:  Linux 3.4.11-2.16-desktop
> >>>> Distro: openSUSE 12.2 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform:
> >>>> 4.9.2 "release 511" Uptime:  06:00am up 14 days 13:31, 4
> >>>> users, load average: 0.07, 0.08, 0.14
> >>> 
> >>> I haven't posted to this list since the end of November,
> >>> 2011.. Nearly a year ago.  I will only make this single attempt
> >>> to post. Also from a gmail account.
> >> 
> >> Which worked. :)
> >> 
> >> Cheers, Gene
> > 
> > Well, actually, it didn't, because I never saw my post. In fact I
> > thought it had not got through until I saw your reply to my post. I
> > 
> >  think there's something not quite right about the list server.
> 
> Have you checked your settings in Mailman (follow the link at the
> bottom of the messages.  The last time someone approached me with this
> problem he found that changing settings there cured it.  Look
> especially for the settings for seeing your own posts and for dropping
> duplicates.
> 
> Anne

For some reason, seeing my own posts was turned off, I changed that to yes.
Now we wait.

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Re: [kde] Cute, you don't like my message, so I'm bounced as not subscribed

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 16 November 2012 18:03:13 Bob Williams did opine:

> On 16/11/12 21:09, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Friday 16 November 2012 16:09:00 Chuck Burns did opine:
> >> On 11/16/2012 11:33 AM, Bob Williams wrote:
> >>> On 15/11/12 21:32, Duncan wrote:
> >>>> Which leaves a very limited set of possibilities.  The only two I
> >>>> know of that make sense at all, are that the database was
> >>>> temporarily unavailable the first time (maybe taken offline for a
> >>>> backup), then brought back into service, but the listserv itself
> >>>> wasn't taken out of service so it thought saw the missing database
> >>>> as an unsubscribed address (but if so, why haven't Anne or I seen
> >>>> similar issues?), OR... my original theory, that the listserv
> >>>> deactivates subscriber addresses after a period of inactivity, as a
> >>>> spam control measure or the like.
> >>> 
> >>> We can test that theory ... I'm a lurker who hasn't posted to this
> >>> list since July 1st.
> >>> 
> >>> Let's see if I've been de-activated...
> >>> 
> >>> Bob
> >>> --
> >>> Bob Williams
> >>> System:  Linux 3.4.11-2.16-desktop
> >>> Distro:  openSUSE 12.2 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.9.2
> >>> "release 511"
> >>> Uptime:  06:00am up 14 days 13:31, 4 users, load average: 0.07,
> >>> 0.08, 0.14
> >> 
> >> I haven't posted to this list since the end of November, 2011.. 
> >> Nearly a year ago.  I will only make this single attempt to post.
> >> Also from a gmail account.
> > 
> > Which worked. :)
> > 
> > Cheers, Gene
> 
> Well, actually, it didn't, because I never saw my post. In fact I
> thought it had not got through until I saw your reply to my post. I
> think there's something not quite right about the list server.
> 
> 
> Bob

Bingo!  But the $64 question is what.

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Re: [kde] Cute, you don't like my message, so I'm bounced as not subscribed

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 16 November 2012 16:09:00 Chuck Burns did opine:

> On 11/16/2012 11:33 AM, Bob Williams wrote:
> > On 15/11/12 21:32, Duncan wrote:
> >> Which leaves a very limited set of possibilities.  The only two I
> >> know of that make sense at all, are that the database was
> >> temporarily unavailable the first time (maybe taken offline for a
> >> backup), then brought back into service, but the listserv itself
> >> wasn't taken out of service so it thought saw the missing database
> >> as an unsubscribed address (but if so, why haven't Anne or I seen
> >> similar issues?), OR... my original theory, that the listserv
> >> deactivates subscriber addresses after a period of inactivity, as a
> >> spam control measure or the like.
> > 
> > We can test that theory ... I'm a lurker who hasn't posted to this
> > list since July 1st.
> > 
> > Let's see if I've been de-activated...
> > 
> > Bob
> > --
> > Bob Williams
> > System:  Linux 3.4.11-2.16-desktop
> > Distro:  openSUSE 12.2 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.9.2
> > "release 511"
> > Uptime:  06:00am up 14 days 13:31, 4 users, load average: 0.07, 0.08,
> > 0.14
> 
> I haven't posted to this list since the end of November, 2011..  Nearly
> a year ago.  I will only make this single attempt to post. Also from a
> gmail account.

Which worked. :)

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Re: [kde] Cute, you don't like my message, so I'm bounced as not subscribed

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 16 November 2012 16:07:45 Bob Williams did opine:

> On 15/11/12 21:32, Duncan wrote:
> > Which leaves a very limited set of possibilities.  The only two I know
> > of that make sense at all, are that the database was temporarily
> > unavailable the first time (maybe taken offline for a backup), then
> > brought back into service, but the listserv itself wasn't taken out
> > of service so it thought saw the missing database as an unsubscribed
> > address (but if so, why haven't Anne or I seen similar issues?),
> > OR... my original theory, that the listserv deactivates subscriber
> > addresses after a period of inactivity, as a spam control measure or
> > the like.
> 
> We can test that theory ... I'm a lurker who hasn't posted to this list
> since July 1st.
> 
> Let's see if I've been de-activated...
> 
Apparently not Bob, it marched right thru.

> Bob
> --
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Re: [kde] Cute, you don't like my message, so I'm bounced as not subscribed

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 15 November 2012 15:46:11 Duncan did opine:

> Anne Wilson posted on Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:59:19 + as excerpted:
> > Besides, the fact that others can see the messages he says are missing
> > suggests that it has nothing to do with the servers.
> 
> He says he re-sent.  I only see the one copy.  So I'm guessing the first
> copy did simply disappear into the aether, and it's the re-send we are
> seeing.
> 
Yes, I verified the headers were correct, and re-sent from my sent-mail 
folder.  That message then did not bounce, and was received by all AFAIK.

> Of course where in the aether it went is open to question.  My theory
> assumes it actually got to the listserv and it dropped the first post.
> But without access to the listserv logs (assuming it logs such drops),
> we don't know.
> 
> It's possible the admins aren't aware of it either, if it's a default
> setting.  But if they have logging turned on and can spare the time to
> go looking thru what I'm sure is a mountain of spam-drops for the one
> or two dropped messages from Gene, /that/ would answer the question.

Possibly.
> 
> But now that it seems to be working, I'm not sure it's really worth the
> trouble.  Of course, if as he says (and my theory posits), it happens
> regularly after he hasn't posted to the list for awhile, it could be
> worth investigating.  But repeating the experiment with that theory in
> mind, which will of necessity take a few more months of no posting and
> then posting again, would add some repeatability data.  It may be worth
> waiting for that before bothering the admins, and chalking it up to
> happenstance (and /not/ bothering the admins) if after a few months off
> it doesn't repeat.

We may see unless something goes by that I can make constructive comments 
on.  It seems my revelance to the latest versions of everything is fading 
away.

> Regardless, it's all up to Gene and whether he decides to pursue it now
> or wait, at this point, especially since it seems to be working /now/.

Yup, just fine /now/.

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Re: [kde] Cute, you don't like my message, so I'm bounced as not subscribed

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 15 November 2012 15:41:07 Anne Wilson did opine:

> On 15/11/2012 19:49, Duncan wrote:
> > That was what I was alluding to earlier when I said only you or the
> > list admin (checking the log) could verify that.  Now that you've
> > specifically stated that it was sent from the correct address, my
> > theory of some sort of inactive timeout gets stronger.
> 
> Except that I've seen no evidence that it exists.  I've never seen it
> mentioned in sysadmin conversations, and I've never seen anyone
> question it before this.  Sorry, but I don't believe this is the
> answer.  Gene could always try a polite question to sysad...@kde.org
> for them to confirm its existence or otherwise.
> 
> Besides, the fact that others can see the messages he says are missing
> suggests that it has nothing to do with the servers.
> 
> Anne

To which I'll reply, then why the bounce in the first place?  The reason 
may in fact be obscure, but it makes the only sense, besides, the bounced 
message never did show up in my inbox. At least not yet. 4 or 5 days seems 
sufficient for the queue to be flushed.
> 
Thanks Ann.

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Re: [kde] Cute, you don't like my message, so I'm bounced as not subscribed

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 15 November 2012 15:21:42 Duncan did opine:

> Gene Heskett posted on Thu, 15 Nov 2012 05:42:33 -0500 as excerpted:

[...]

> > And despite being retired from there for a decade and change, I was at
> > the annual Thanksgiving dinner yesterday, and will have an account
> > there until I fall over for the last time.  I helped Jim set that up
> > in '98 or '99. The iron under it has been updated  2 or 3 times, so
> > my traffic is far less than .1% of its capacity these days.  And of
> > course security patches have been applied.  The only time it was ever
> > hacked was when it was running on RH-6.0 with its duff bind, in '00
> > or '01. Jim and I cleaned that mess up by rebooting, and locking that
> > guy out, putting in the fixed bind, and we cleaned up his mess
> > without ever doing another reboot.
> 
> That's exactly why it pays for these guys to let you keep your email
> accounts, etc, around.  They know you well enough to know you're not
> going to be using it for spam or whatever, and maintaining that
> relationship can serve as a great insurance policy, when things go
> haywire.  Yeah, they could call in a pro and pay them big money to fix
> it, but the pro would have to either figure out the existing setup or
> start from scratch, thus taking more time, while you have all that stuff
> in your head and can fix it with a few hours of down time, as opposed to
> a few days, even if they pay you the same to do it as they'd pay the new
> pro.
> 
> Plus, if some big disaster hits (the hurricane that hit NY, for
> instance), those pros will be up to their ears trying to fix thousands
> of businesses, while once everyone's dug out and recovering, they can
> simply call you (if you weren't riding it out there to begin with).

In this case, Jim is good enough that barring a sale of the place (the 
owner is only 2 years younger than I), Jim is there for life.  He has 
learned I.T. very well.  He was a relatively fresh hire of 17yo when I 
walked in the door in late 1984 with a clear path laid out to bring a 
1950's ma & pa tv station at least into the 90's or later.  I think I did 
fairly well by 2002 when I took the Rolex & went home, considering the 
chewing gum and bailing wired mess I walked into.  Some of the problems I 
inherited from wannabe electricians weren't really fixed right until the 
digital conversion forced us to build a whole new rack room and 2 new 
control rooms.  Today the ratio of cat5 or better, to coax in the rack room 
is now about 4/1.  And trouble actually seems easier to find when it 
happens.
 
> > I am inclined to favor the idea that the server has a little known
> > timeout and that if I do not post for an extended period, its sort of
> > checking to see if I'm a bot or whatever.  It makes as much sense as
> > anything else offered.  The time between posts is because 99% of the
> > problems I see go by are problems I have never encountered, so I'd
> > likely be more of a hindrance.
> 
> Yeah, my theory, but it does seem one of the better ones given the
> evidence.
> 
It does make sense, Duncan.

> Of course my trouble with that 99% that I've never encountered is a bit
> different.  In many cases while I've not personally encountered it, I
> know something about the general case as I keep up with kernel news and
> follow a reasonable number of lists.  So I'm left with the choice of
> posting something rather general that may or may not help, or not
> posting.  But most of the time empathy wins, and I post anyway, simply
> because even if I've not had the same problem, I know from experience
> that just having someone to empathize and discuss theories with can
> help.  Plus, often I /can/ at least point someone toward a solution, or
> workaround if not a solution, where they hadn't the foggiest before.
> 
> And I see the problems and want to help as best I can, even if there's
> just a small chance it'll help, and/or it'll be only a bit of help.
> Sometimes I get criticized for that too, but I'll often wait a bit to
> see if anyone else with a closer experience answers, and if nobody else
> has answered, I figure at bare minimum, my answer lets them know that
> others are at least /seeing/ the post.
> 
> But I've started actively resisting the reply impulse on kmail, because
> I don't have much good to say about the new akonadified version and I
> switched to something else.  So I've started deliberately letting
> others take the lead there, and only reply with kmail alternatives if
> it looks like kmail's simply not working for them any more and there's
> a reasonable chance they'd be 

Re: [kde] Cute, you don't like my message, so I'm bounced as not subscribed

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 15 November 2012 05:06:47 Anne Wilson did opine:

> On 15/11/2012 01:43, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 14 November 2012 20:13:20 Duncan did opine:
> > 
> > Sending address, the one the messege comes from can vary, IF I
> > select the alternate gmail account.  I have it hard coded in the
> > kmail prefs, and only if including someone in a Cc: do I ever type
> > in their address.
> 
> The only time I see bounces is when I accidentally post with a wrong
> address.  Some lists drop those messages, so if my message doesn't
> appear on-list after an hour or so I check which ID was attached to
> the message.

I do that too.  The bounced message was correctly From: labeled when it 
left here.
 
> > However when it became obvious that the gmail as a sending server
> > did 2 things I don't like, 1st, the echo back to me from the server
> > is a dup according to gmail and deleted, so I wind up sending 2
> > maybe 3 times before someone gets tired of it and chimes in that
> > they saw all 3 msgs.  So I look like a spoilt brat, not something I
> > want to be known as even if I am an only child. :)
> 
> I deal with this by setting my folders to include send as well as
> receive mail.

I have considered that, but haven't done it. I want the echo from the 
server as proof it was posted and the rest of the planet should have seen 
it.  FWIW, for this list, the return time can be hours, same for the 
kubuntu-users server.  Both give the impression they need both more iron 
and more storage in order to keep up with the traffic.

> For private mail, people probably like GMail's setting,
> but for lists a work-around is needed.

[...]
 
> This I can't understand.  I now send and receive all my mail through
> GMail (they collect from my other addresses).  Their spam filter
> catches hundreds every day and I get perhaps 4-5 a week getting
> through.  I do not need any of the dance you describe, despite being
> subscribed to very many lists.
 
Well, to claim that qmail has a great spam filter would be trying to give 
credit where none is due, and that is the software running the server at 
this 'ISP', which itself is a missnomer because it actually a tv stations 
internal email server, with a very large pipe to the backbone because we 
also move programs for 4 'channels' of over the air transmitters through 
it.  The internet long ago replaced the 'bicycle' where we bussed those 
program around to the different tv stations on 2" quadruplex tape, then to 
satellite, and now except for the major networks up on the 'birds', most of 
the syndicated stuff actually moves over the net as video files.

And despite being retired from there for a decade and change, I was at the 
annual Thanksgiving dinner yesterday, and will have an account there until 
I fall over for the last time.  I helped Jim set that up in '98 or '99.  
The iron under it has been updated  2 or 3 times, so my traffic is far less 
than .1% of its capacity these days.  And of course security patches have 
been applied.  The only time it was ever hacked was when it was running on 
RH-6.0 with its duff bind, in '00 or '01. Jim and I cleaned that mess up by 
rebooting, and locking that guy out, putting in the fixed bind, and we 
cleaned up his mess without ever doing another reboot.

> It's really hard for us to guess why your setup gets problems that
> ours don't.
> 
> Anne

I am inclined to favor the idea that the server has a little known timeout 
and that if I do not post for an extended period, its sort of checking to 
see if I'm a bot or whatever.  It makes as much sense as anything else 
offered.  The time between posts is because 99% of the problems I see go by 
are problems I have never encountered, so I'd likely be more of a 
hindrance.

Good to hear from you Ann.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] Cute, you don't like my message, so I'm bounced as not subscribed

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 14 November 2012 20:13:20 Duncan did opine:

> Gene Heskett posted on Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:28:18 -0500 as excerpted:
> 
> [ On the listserv rejecting a message from his years subscribed address,
> then taking others. ]
> 
> > Once I could understand Anne, but we go thru this dog & pony show at
> > about 6 month intervals, and have been for years, which from my
> > viewpoint, does get old.
> 
> I wonder if there's a timeout configured somewhere, such that people
> that don't post for say three months get dropped to "inactive", such
> that the first message when trying to post again doesn't go thru.
> 
> People like me and presumably Anne, post to one kde list or another
> often enough we'd never see the problem, but you (Gene) seems to go
> several months between posts, then posts when something comes up.  Your
> inactive period between problems might be just long enough to trigger
> such a timeout, if it exists. =:^\
> 
> I don't know, but it might explain...  Of course the other possibility
> (normally the most likely if a user types in the address manually and
> typoes or has several addresses and tries the wrong one) is posting from
> a different (unsubscribed) address part of the time, but that's
> something only you and possibly the list admin (if it logs rejections)
> could verify.

Sending address, the one the messege comes from can vary, IF I select the 
alternate gmail account.  I have it hard coded in the kmail prefs, and only 
if including someone in a Cc: do I ever type in their address.  However 
when it became obvious that the gmail as a sending server did 2 things I 
don't like, 1st, the echo back to me from the server is a dup according to 
gmail and deleted, so I wind up sending 2 maybe 3 times before someone gets 
tired of it and chimes in that they saw all 3 msgs.  So I look like a 
spoilt brat, not something I want to be known as even if I am an only 
child. :)

And two, it seems every time I post thru gmail I get a blast of spam, 5 to 
30 or more messages all in the next 20 minutes, then it peters out and 
returns to only 200 or so a day, quite a few of which are deep sixed by 
mailfilter, spamassassin & occasionally by clamd.  The survivors of that, 
currently range in the 20-25 daily range, are fed to sa-learn spam, and the 
worst offenders I might start checking return addresses and tell mailfilter 
to nuke them on site.  I currently have several class B addresses blocked, 
a growing number of class C's and probably 100 or more class D's all go to 
/dev/null long before they get to pester me anymore.

Now if I could just find the commonality between all the Green Coffee Bean 
Extract spams I'd be in hog heaven.

But I expect I am a long ways from first in a long line of hogleg 
wearing/carrying people who would love to sacrifice the routers they get in 
thru.  They would make near perfect targets for practice.  I'd bet small 
amounts of cash even...

Your idea of a timeout in the server no one really knows about is as 
believable as anything else I can dream up.  Makes perfect sense in fact.

Maybe I should set up a cron job to send a message once a month (because 
I'd forget it, sure as hell), sorta like the server sends me, basically 
sticking up a hand & waving it violently, proclaiming I am still here, 
still sucking air regularly enough to survive? 

Nahh, not a Good Thing(TM). :)

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] Cute, you don't like my message, so I'm bounced as not subscribed

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 14 November 2012 18:23:48 Anne Wilson did opine:

> On 14/11/2012 14:30, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I get messages FROM this list indicating it was emailed to this
> > address in the From: line above.
> > 
> > Either unsubscribe me, or take my messages.
> 
> > Here is the header of a recent msg from this list:
> 
> 
> > Which I believe seems to indicate I am subscribed.
> 
> Since I can see this and also your reply in the "kmail question"
> thread, why do you think there is a problem?
> 
> Anne

Because the server is sending my mails back with a reject "You must be 
subscribed" msg.  However, subsequent msgs seem to be being seen by others, 
but I am not receiving a confirming echo either.

Once I could understand Anne, but we go thru this dog & pony show at about 
6 month intervals, and have been for years, which from my viewpoint, does 
get old.

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[kde] Cute, you don't like my message, so I'm bounced as not subscribed

[Gene Heskett]

I get messages FROM this list indicating it was emailed to this address in 
the From: line above.

Either unsubscribe me, or take my messages.

Here is the header of a recent msg from this list:

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Re: [kde] kmail question

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 14 November 2012 08:15:17 Harald Baumgartner did opine:

> Hi,
> 
> i'm using kmail since years and get my emails in /var/mail/userid
> 
So do I, using mailfilter/fetchmail/procmail to get them there.

And a mailwatcher script that uses inotifywait that tells kmail over the 
dbus to go get the mail when it arrives.  I've spent a decade making sure 
kmail didn't have to do that stuff, causing lags in the editor of up to 45 
seconds and a full sentence in the keyboard buffer.

> Newest kmail doesn't support this, only imap, pop

What? If thats the case, this kmail user since 1998 is outta here.  Thats 
all I have setup under the receiving tab. 

> Any solution?
> 
>   Thanks, Harald


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Re: [kde] KDE lost of settings: "State" field corrupted in all rc files

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 22 July 2012 09:43:54 Maxime. Haselbauer did opine:

> Hi, Kubuntu 12.04 Kde 4.8.4 32 bit
> 
> Interesting thing this morning:
> I power up my compute and almost every programm open as if KDE would be
> freshly installed and it  would be the first time I open the programm.
> Needless to say, there was no update yesterday and ervything worked fine
> when I shut down the computer yesterday evening
> 
> Very annoying because it means all your personal settings are lost
> in a short list
> 
> Background color of kde
> Activities
> Amarok collection
> 
> The podcast list
> 
> All id3 tags you have modified within amarok
> 
> Amarok internal database playlist
> 
> Amarok .xspf saved playlist
> 
> Kdevelop settinggs 
> All Akregator podcasts (although, there IS a feeds.opml file in
> ~/.kde/share/apps/akregator    which DOES contain all RSS url I had
> ...) Kmail settings (all your accounts)
> 
> etc...
> 
> 
> So, it looks like it is not reading all rc configuration files (those
> stored in ~/.kde/share/config) because all information it lacks are
> usually given in those files
> 
> Hence I open a couple of rc files and I find an interesting thing:
> In each of them, under the [Mainwindow] section there ist something like
> 
> State=/wD9AwE4AAAB1PwCAfsOAE0AbwBkAGUA[...] 
> I spare you the rest, this continue like that for long
> 
> I guess this is not the true state... but a corrupted field. Interesting
> is that it looks corrupted for all rc files I have open so far, even
> those of programm that I did not open for a while now.
> 
> Anyone know something about where it comes from and how to solve it ?
> 
> Regards
> Maxime Haselbauer

Maxime:  I'm running 10.04.4 LTS here and I wonder if you are seeing the 
same thing I am on a reboot.  First I get an advisory box saying it cannot 
update the .ICEauthority (spelling?) due to no perms, this before even the 
BIG X mouse curser shows, then after it does appear, and that box is 
canceled, a new advisory pops up instantly, something about 
gdm2_4_sanity_checker (spelling again) returning an error 256, so I clear 
that with a mouse click and eventually I get a login screen.  And when I 
do, my pager shows the default 4 workspaces of a new install.

But if at that point, I do another reboot, I will get those same errors 
again, but when I login, all my configuration stuff is then alive and well.

This alternate action reboot is 100% duplicatable here.

I've been having to do this dual reboot thing ever since I installed on 
this box.  I have 3 other machines running this same install, the 2 running 
my lathe and milling machines on D525MW boards do not do this, the laptop I 
sometimes use to write GCode with for the other machines also does this 
with the added confusion of not loading its wireless drivers about 75% of 
the time.

I think the question to the list is:

How many others are seeing similar behavior while running this kernel:

2.6.32-122-rtai ?

We, as machine operators, are stuck with that exact version because that is 
the version when rtai was last built.  Hopefully we will be able to advance 
to a 3.x kernel before the snow flies this fall, it is being worked on.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] k3b???

[gene heskett]

On Tuesday, April 03, 2012 11:45:15 PM Duncan did opine:

> gene heskett posted on Tue, 03 Apr 2012 16:39:38 -0400 as excerpted:
> > On Tuesday, April 03, 2012 04:22:29 PM Anne Wilson did opine:
> >> On 03/04/12 10:36, gene heskett wrote:
> >> > It did work, it burnt the bios update as requested.  And its
> >> > 10,000% easier to type k3b in a user terminal than it is to wade
> >> > through the menu's and find it, under archivers of all places.
> >> 
> >> You seem to have missed out on a very useful tool - instead of wading
> >> through a menu, hit alt+F2 to bring up krunner, then type in "k3b" -
> >> I rarely touch menus these days.
> >> 
> >> Anne
> > 
> > Perhaps Anne, but when I already have a dozen or more terminals open
> > its a lot easier.  Besides, terminal screens were invented decades
> > before PARC invented the mouse plus its a long reach to hit alt+F2
> > for these short fingered hands.  What happens if I have a cup of
> > coffee in the other hand &
> > no quick and dirty place to park it while I use both hands to span
> > that distance?
> > 
> > Yeah, I'm a Senior Citizen, now where is the discount? ;-)
> 
> FWIW, I reassigned many such keys to winkey-modified shortcuts, here,
> altho for that specific one and a few others, I took advantage of the
> fact that I have an inet/media keyboard with a few extra keys (main
> system), and reassigned one of those to krunner.  (On the netbook, it's
> assigned a winkey-modified shortcut, IDR which as I've not used it
> recently.)
> 
> KDE settings, Common Appearance and Behavior, Shortcuts and Gestures,
> Global Keyboard Shortcuts, then in the KDE component dropdown, select
> Run Command Interface, then from the shortcut listing, Run Command.  As
> others have stated it's Alt-F2 by default, but you can set it to
> something nice and convenient like meta-space (meta being the winkey),
> or ctrl-space, or whatever you find easy to remember and convenient to
> type.
> 
> Or if your keyboard has extra keys, as my main machine's keyboard does,
> you can try setting the shortcut to one of them, as I did.
> 
> > Did you block my diatribe about the busted bugzilla?  I don't
> > appreciate that a bit, how is it ever going to get fixed if no one
> > sees the bitching?
> 
> I seem to see it, here on gmane.org, so it seems it hit the list.
> 
> FWIW, I'd just choose a different handle here.  I usually use "Duncan"
> and AFAIK that's what I'm registered as on kde's bugzy, but if that's
> taken or whatever, I'll often either pre-or-suffix that with the site or
> reason I'm likely to be there.  For instance on kdelook, I had to take
> (IIRC, not doublechecked) KDEDuncan, and on slashdot, I was/am
> slash.duncan (tho I've not been there in awhile as I had to do some
> timewise reprioritizing and my slashdot ended up on the cutting room
> floor, as they say).
> 
> Something like that's better than Duncan2456 or whatever... and my
> style's strong enough it's likely people will recognize it anyway,
> especially with "Duncan" somewhere in the name.
> 
> Meanwhile, given that the March 30 deadline is passed, it's likely
> you're now locked out forever, since you can't use the password reset
> as it's a long-lost address, and they've locked you out until it is
> used...  So it looks like you have little choice but to choose a new
> handle, now.  Or simply refuse to use it.  I guess it's up to you.

Well, since I obviously DIDN'T get that email, its a shrug to me, I have 
done what I could by reporting the bug to this list, its the only choice I 
have.  If I have to choose a new handle, I can warrant that it WILL make a 
statement.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] k3b???

[gene heskett]

On Tuesday, April 03, 2012 04:22:29 PM Anne Wilson did opine:

> On 03/04/12 10:36, gene heskett wrote:
> > It did work, it burnt the bios update as requested.  And its
> > 10,000% easier to type k3b in a user terminal than it is to wade
> > through the menu's and find it, under archivers of all places.
> 
> You seem to have missed out on a very useful tool - instead of wading
> through a menu, hit alt+F2 to bring up krunner, then type in "k3b" - I
> rarely touch menus these days.
> 
> Anne

Perhaps Anne, but when I already have a dozen or more terminals open its a 
lot easier.  Besides, terminal screens were invented decades before PARC 
invented the mouse plus its a long reach to hit alt+F2 for these short 
fingered hands.  What happens if I have a cup of coffee in the other hand & 
no quick and dirty place to park it while I use both hands to span that 
distance?

Yeah, I'm a Senior Citizen, now where is the discount? ;-)

Did you block my diatribe about the busted bugzilla?  I don't appreciate 
that a bit, how is it ever going to get fixed if no one sees the bitching?

People ARE going to jump ship for a better ISP from time to time and we 
need a method to facilitate the cleanups that will still work AFTER any 
email forwarding grace period has expired, and which are currently blocking 
my use of it.  I can't open a new account because I'm already known, and I 
can't use the old account because my email addy has changed.  Ergo, to me 
its busted, fix it!  By deleting any and all references to me from the 
/etc/passwd file on the bz server, or where ever the heck bz keeps that 
stuff.  Then I might be able to open a new account and file bug reports.

Cheers, Gene
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
My web page: <http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene>
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central power station is to the electrical industry.
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Re: [kde] Sluggish computer, KMail hogging the CPU

[gene heskett]

On Tuesday, April 03, 2012 04:08:01 PM Renaud (Ron) Olgiati did opine:

> Computer is running slowly, and top shows kmail using between 40% and
> 60% cpu.
> 
> Is that normal ?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ron.
> 
> KMAil 1.13.7 KDE 4.6.5 under Mageia 1

If it is regenerating its index files, and your email corpus is several Gb 
like mine is, this can take half an hour to complete after a restart.  Once 
that is done it should revert to more normal usage levels.  At 9 days 
uptime, kmail's cpu usage is well down in the noise here. BUT!  I don't 
suck my mail with kmail, all that is farmed out to 
fetchmail/procmail/spamassassin & clamav, so all it actually does is pick 
it up out of /var/spool/mail/user & sort it to the correct folders, on 
queue when the mail comes in.  So that part is not accounted for in the 
kmail column.  In 9+ days, fetchmail has used 10.6 minutes of cpu here, 
spamd an hour 10, and clamd just under an hour.  Plumb tolerable IMO.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] k3b???

[gene heskett]

On Tuesday, April 03, 2012 09:27:30 AM Alex Schuster did opine:

> gene heskett writes:
> > It did work, it burnt the bios update as requested.  And its 10,000%
> > easier to type k3b in a user terminal than it is to wade through the
> > menu's and find it, under archivers of all places.  Call me an
> > anachronism at 77, but if I can spell it, I can type it a heck of a
> > lot easier than I can hunt around in the cracks and crannies of a
> > poorly laid out menu system.
> 
> I think the menu system is just there so one can see what's available.
> If you know what you want to start, use KRunner instead. That is, hit
> Alt-F2, and enter the name of the application. You don't even have to
> type the full name, although in case of k3b the name is so short that
> you have to. If you only type 'k3' KRunner offers conversion of 3
> Kelvin to degrees Celsius or Fahrenheit :-)
> So KRunner does not only allow to start applications, but also to find
> files, by name or by content when they have been indexed by Nepomuk. Or
> emails, open windows and documents. Or audio files. It does
> calculations, converts units, and much more. Have a look at:
> http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/Krunner
> 
> > So I suspect you are 200% correct. System housekeeping has never been
> > kde's strong point.  :)  They get lots more points for making bz hard
> > to use IMO. Its forgot who I am, again.  But funny thing, if I try to
> > open a new account, it will toss it in the bit bucket because I
> > already have one.
> 
> One month ago, I got this mail. If you didn't get it, they really forgot
> about you. But why can't you open a new account then... strange. You
> probably should file a bug report... oh, whoops!
> And I assume resetting the password also does not work? What about
> creating a new accocunt with a different email address?
> 
> snip---
> Hi,
> 
> In the past you have registered on http://bugs.kde.org. This could be as
> a user to report a bug or crash within a KDE application or maybe you
> have registered as a contributor or developer for KDE software.

I have never gotten such an email, so it is either sending it to a 
/dev/null someplace due to ISP changes, or it has truly forgotten about me.
 
> We have recently installed a new update of the bugzilla software and we
> would like to ask you to reactivate your account. This can be done in
> one simple step: login on the http://bugs.kde.org site. Your username
> is the email address we have sent this email to.

And if this address no longer exists, it should fully wipe the name from 
its passwd database.  But it hasn't, and it rejects the attempt the instant 
I give it my name.  Trying to setup a passwd update fails for the same 
reason, it sends the authorization link presumably to the email address of 
record, which of course has not existed, having been nearly a decade since 
I was on dialup at an iolinc.net address, and nearly 2 years now since I 
was at a verizon.net address, bailing from there because vz couldn't keep 
their copper working for more than 4 or 5 days at a time.
 
> If you don't reactivate your account before March 30th we will block
> your account from logging in until the password reset feature is used
> to set a new password.
> 
> Sorry for the trouble, but we hope you will enjoy the upgrade.

Sorry for your trouble, processing the reject because it wasn't sent to a 
live account, but your servers remember the name & will not process what it 
considers to be a duplicate account even if it comes from a brand new to bz 
address THAT DOES NOT MATCH THE ONE ON RECORD.

IT IS A CHICKEN V EGG SITUATION THAT WILL REQUIRE HUMAN INTERVENTION TO 
FIX.  BUT THERE ARE NO HUMANS RUNNING THE SHOW.

I don't believe I should have to change my name just to satisfy bz, its 
been 57 years since I did that the last time when I turned 21 so I legally 
had the last name of the man that tried to raise me, and so would the rest 
of my male git.

So, until someone manually goes through the bz passwd file and deletes any 
Heskett named Gene, I am locked out of filing bugs.  My bug reports WILL be 
by way of the mailing list until then.  Take them or leave them.

If someone that does have access to bz admin stuff can fix it, great but 
send me a PM to THIS address so I'll hear about it and can then open a new 
account.  Or post it to this list, its a shrug to me as its otherwise a 
fight I can't win.

> Best,
> 
> KDE Sysadmin

Who is nameless, faceless and unreachable by normal list subscribers.  
Gotta love it, NOT!

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] k3b???

[gene heskett]

On Tuesday, April 03, 2012 05:26:41 AM Duncan did opine:

> gene heskett posted on Mon, 02 Apr 2012 19:17:26 -0400 as excerpted:
> > Greetings;
> > 
> > I needed to burn a copy of the bios for a new intel board this
> > afternoon,
> > and when I fired off k3b, it had a small litter of kittens:
> > 
> > [gene@coyote ~]$ k3b KGlobal::locale::Warning your global KLocale is
> > being recreated with a valid main component instead of a fake
> > component, this usually means you tried to call i18n related
> > functions before your main component was created. You should not do
> > that since it most likely will not work [gene@coyote ~]$
> > K3bQProcess::QProcess(0x0)
> > K3bQProcess::QProcess(0x0)
> > k3b(26825)/kdeui (kdelibs): Attempt to use QAction "view_projects"
> > with KXMLGUIFactory!
> > k3b(26825)/kdeui (kdelibs): Attempt to use QAction "view_dir_tree"
> > with KXMLGUIFactory!
> > k3b(26825)/kdeui (kdelibs): Attempt to use QAction "view_contents"
> > with KXMLGUIFactory!
> > k3b(26825)/kdeui (kdelibs): Attempt to use QAction "location_bar" with
> > KXMLGUIFactory!
> > QCoreApplication::postEvent: Unexpected null receiver
> > 
> > But it did burn the cd ok.
> > 
> > Is this something one of us should do something about?  If so, what?
> 
> Short answer: Nothing to worry about.
> 
> Rather longer, with a caveat:
> 
> In general, it seems that kde devs don't normally expect their apps to
> be run from a terminal window by "ordinary users".  Instead, I guess
> they expect them to use the menu system or run them from krunner (the
> run dialog), such that STDOUT and STDERR get sent to /dev/null.  Given
> that expectation, kde apps run from a terminal window (or otherwise
> with user visible STDOUT/STDERR) tend to be very noisy, spitting out
> all sorts of developer targeted warnings due to use of deprecated
> functions that the app hasn't been updated away from yet but that still
> work perfectly well, etc.
> 
> Thus, in general, such "noise" from a kde app is to an end user just
> that, "noise", and can be entirely disregarded.  The /problem/ of course
> is that when there actually /is/ a problem and you're running from a
> terminal window in ordered to troubleshoot, all that perfectly normal
> for a kde app noise hides the information that might actually be
> telling you what's wrong and how to fix it.  There's all these alarming
> looking messages... but most of them are perfectly normal!  The only
> hope for anything useful in that case is to diff the output generated
> from a working install to that of the one with the problem, in ordered
> to see what's actually different between them.  But of course that
> requires at least two systems, one of which must still be working,
> either that or per incredibly lucky chance, a captured "normal" output
> from before the problem, to compare against.
> 
> That's always been a bit of a frustration of mine, particularly since
> unlike some, I don't normally keep multiple systems around.  (I do now
> have a netbook as well as my main machine, both running kde on gentoo,
> but the netbook's install isn't updated anything near as frequently, and
> is actually kde 4.6.4 or some such at this point, I think, while my main
> machine is 4.8.1, to be 4.8.2 after its scheduled release later this
> week.  With that much of a version gap, and different hardware as well,
> the comparison is of limited use.)
> 
> 
> The caveat:  The ISO-9660 spec does have some technical particulars
> related to locale, and at one point anyway, there was a rather common
> misconfiguration that k3b would complain about as it could screw up the
> ability of the generated images to be read on other systems, MS Windows
> being the most common I'd expect.  At least that was my understanding of
> the situation.
> 
> I don't recall the specifics, but it's possible that local warning is
> related to that.  FWIW, I get it (along with the other complaints you
> posted, plus something about a missing smb.conf, not surprising as I
> don't have samba installed and have most of the related kde
> functionality build-time disabled where possible) too.
> 
> So it's /possible/ that locale-related complaint might have some
> relevance if you intend to load the generated ISOs on MS platforms or
> the like, or maybe not as it could be locale related but entirely
> separate from that old issue, but other than that, no, I don't believe
> that output is anything to worry about, at all.

It did work, it burnt the bios update as requested.  

Re: [kde] k3b???

[gene heskett]

On Tuesday, April 03, 2012 04:58:59 AM heathmatlock did opine:

> Hi Gene, best thing to do would be to file a bug.

Probably.  But its been ages (kde2 days) since I went that route, spending 
an hour or so just getting bugzilla access setup, only to have Ingo K. say 
its a Won't Fix.  I tried what I think is my old password, failed, probably 
because I have since changed ISP's so I'm not me but some imposter.  Its 
bad enough just trying to stay ahead of the mailing list, its been renamed 
and restarted from scratch at least twice, maybe 3 times in the last 14 
years I've been running linux.  For years I was subscribed to this list, 
getting its emails many times a day, but I didn't have permission to post.  
It took a noisy blowup at the list admin 4 times before that was finally 
fixed and stayed fixed.

I don't think the kde folks have ever heard of amanda, and their own backup 
offerings only have perhaps 0.01% of the smarts amanda has, so if a crash 
takes it down, its gone.  That is no ones fault but their own IMO.

Come to think of it, the last time I tried to setup a bz account at kde's 
bz, because it didn't know who I was, so I tried to open a new account, but 
then it said I already had an account and refused to process it.  That was 
probably 4 years back or more back up the log as I was using Konstruct to 
build kde then.

Has that been fixed? I like kde, beats gnome hands down, but the kde people 
go way the hell and gone out of their way to make filing bugs impossible.
IMO if they really wanted to know about user problems, they would read 
their own user mailing lists.  They could be an excellent source of user 
problems that need triage.

Cheers, Gene
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[kde] k3b???

[gene heskett]

Greetings;

I needed to burn a copy of the bios for a new intel board this afternoon, 
and when I fired off k3b, it had a small litter of kittens:

[gene@coyote ~]$ k3b
KGlobal::locale::Warning your global KLocale is being recreated with a 
valid main component instead of a fake component, this usually means you 
tried to call i18n related functions before your main component was 
created. You should not do that since it most likely will not work
[gene@coyote ~]$ K3bQProcess::QProcess(0x0)
K3bQProcess::QProcess(0x0)
k3b(26825)/kdeui (kdelibs): Attempt to use QAction "view_projects" with 
KXMLGUIFactory!
k3b(26825)/kdeui (kdelibs): Attempt to use QAction "view_dir_tree" with 
KXMLGUIFactory!
k3b(26825)/kdeui (kdelibs): Attempt to use QAction "view_contents" with 
KXMLGUIFactory!
k3b(26825)/kdeui (kdelibs): Attempt to use QAction "location_bar" with 
KXMLGUIFactory!
QCoreApplication::postEvent: Unexpected null receiver

But it did burn the cd ok.

Is this something one of us should do something about?  If so, what?

Thanks.

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Re: [kde] kmail getting uppity again...

[gene heskett]

On Friday, March 09, 2012 06:41:29 AM Martin (KDE) did opine:

> Am 08.03.2012 21:05, schrieb gene heskett:
> > On Thursday, March 08, 2012 02:57:28 PM Kevin Krammer did opine:
> >> On Thursday, 2012-03-08, gene heskett wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, March 08, 2012 12:11:17 PM Kevin Krammer did opine:
> >>>> On Thursday, 2012-03-08, gene heskett wrote:
> >>>>> Greetings folks;
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> kmail 1.13.7 from the pclos repos.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I joined a forum at Cadsoft, for eagle, their pcb design tool.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> It copies all forum posts to your subscription address, so I
> >>>>> thought it would be nice to make an 'eagle' folder, to reside in
> >>>>> the sorted list of folders I now have about 40 of.  To save these
> >>>>> messages in case I might be able to contribute, and make use of
> >>>>> kmail's expiry rules was the main reason, they are 'no reply'
> >>>>> messages, containing an html link to that forum thread.  AFAIAC,
> >>>>> they can be expired in a couple days.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> But kmail has now decided any new folders MUST be a subfolder of
> >>>>> an existing selection again, as when I click on Local Folders,
> >>>>> the folder creation stuff is grayed out, disabled.  In both the
> >>>>> file pulldown and the folders pulldown.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Since I have the same version of KMail (on Debian though), I tried
> >>>> to reproduce.
> >>>> Indeed, if Local Folders is selected, the option for creating a new
> >>>> folder in the Folders menu is disabled.
> >>>> However, the respective option in the context menu (AKA right click
> >>>> menu) on Local Folders is enabled and successfully created a top
> >>>> level folder.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Kevin
> >>> 
> >>> Error opening /home/gene/Mail/.inbox.directory/eagle; this folder is
> >>> missing.
> >>> 
> >>> That one I had nuked previously, with kmail.
> >>> 
> >>> Next?
> >> 
> >> Does the folder exist? Does it have cur/ new/ and tmp/ sub
> >> directories?
> >> 
> >> Anyway, did using the context menu work for you as it did for me?
> >> 
> >> Cheers,
> >> Kevin
> > 
> > Yes, it created it, in the .inbox folder both times I tried as I tried
> > to create a "../eagle" folder the second time, both times it reported
> > a failure, but it was there when the failure msg was click to clear
> > it, but when kmail then did the rescan, it was there in the
> > .inbox/eagle as shown in the folder list, so I nuked it both times,
> > and now, everytime I hit the bottom of the list an it restarts at the
> > top, I have about 5 or 6 error messages, "can't find the eagle
> > folder" I have to clear before it will actually go show me the next
> > message in the inbox.
> > 
> > This is rapidly turning into a PIMA.  I would switch to claws but the
> > last time I looked, it did not have an import from kmail function. 
> > And my kmail corpus goes back to early 2002, nearly 10 years.  That
> > is several gigs worth of messages I do NOT want to leave behind.
> 
> And again: Why don't you set up a local imap server (dovecot) and put
> all mails into it? After you did this once you can use what ever
> mailclient you want without the need to move mails again and again.
> 
> Martin
> 
That is more than likely what I will do with claws.  Thanks Martin.

> > Thanks for any more guidance folks.
> > 
> > Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] kmail getting uppity again...

[gene heskett]

On Friday, March 09, 2012 06:34:55 AM Duncan did opine:

> gene heskett posted on Thu, 08 Mar 2012 23:46:52 -0500 as excerpted:
> > On Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:44:12 PM Duncan did opine:
> >>from MSOE, back to 1997 or so.
> >>
> >> I really should probably spend a couple days going thru the oldest
> >> stuff and deleting much of it, and I've done a bit of that, but I
> >> could certainly do more.  I could probably get it down to ~300 MB or
> >> so if I did.  But there's always more important, or at least more
> >> interesting, stuff to do.
> > 
> > Not much spam here, none of it lasting more than 10 minutes after
> > midnight.
> > 
> > I seem to suffer from that problem myself, Duncan.  Where might this
> > script be found?
> 
> LOL!  Don't we all!
> 
> [For others that happen to come in in the middle of the conversation,
> "this script" refers to a kmail -> claws-mail or more precisely maildir
> to MH-dir format converter...]
> 
> From memory... the script is on the claws-mail site, to be found listed
> on the utils page.  Note that kmail has used both mbox and maildir over
> the years, but mbox can be imported from claws itself (file menu), so
> the only thing the script is needed for is maildir.  Meanwhile, let's
> see how good that memory of the location is...
> 
> First of all, the claws-mail site.
> 
> http://www.claws-mail.org/index.php
> 
> Not directly on topic, but if you've not done so, reading the FAQ and
> the manual is useful.  FWIW, the manual and a smaller FAQ is available
> on the help menu directly from claws, as well.  I'm guessing some of
> the plugins may be quite useful to you as well, plus the Using Claws
> Mail with other programs section of the FAQ.

Now, while this is no doubt useful, I am up to my butt in other alligators 
so I will save your message for later reference when I manage to get this 
damned swamp drained.  Among other things I am putting an engine in my 
pickup, and working on CNC'ing my lathe.  So switching to claws is about 3 
or 4 down the list.

Thank you very much Duncan.  I'll no doubt be back if I don't fall over 
first.

[...]

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] kmail getting uppity again...

[gene heskett]

On Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:44:12 PM Duncan did opine:

>from MSOE, back to 1997 or so.
> 
> I really should probably spend a couple days going thru the oldest stuff
> and deleting much of it, and I've done a bit of that, but I could
> certainly do more.  I could probably get it down to ~300 MB or so if I
> did.  But there's always more important, or at least more interesting,
> stuff to do.

Not much spam here, none of it lasting more than 10 minutes after midnight.

I seem to suffer from that problem myself, Duncan.  Where might this script 
be found?

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] kmail getting uppity again...

[gene heskett]

On Thursday, March 08, 2012 02:57:28 PM Kevin Krammer did opine:

> On Thursday, 2012-03-08, gene heskett wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 08, 2012 12:11:17 PM Kevin Krammer did opine:
> > > On Thursday, 2012-03-08, gene heskett wrote:
> > > > Greetings folks;
> > > > 
> > > > kmail 1.13.7 from the pclos repos.
> > > > 
> > > > I joined a forum at Cadsoft, for eagle, their pcb design tool.
> > > > 
> > > > It copies all forum posts to your subscription address, so I
> > > > thought it would be nice to make an 'eagle' folder, to reside in
> > > > the sorted list of folders I now have about 40 of.  To save these
> > > > messages in case I might be able to contribute, and make use of
> > > > kmail's expiry rules was the main reason, they are 'no reply'
> > > > messages, containing an html link to that forum thread.  AFAIAC,
> > > > they can be expired in a couple days.
> > > > 
> > > > But kmail has now decided any new folders MUST be a subfolder of
> > > > an existing selection again, as when I click on Local Folders,
> > > > the folder creation stuff is grayed out, disabled.  In both the
> > > > file pulldown and the folders pulldown.
> > > 
> > > Since I have the same version of KMail (on Debian though), I tried
> > > to reproduce.
> > > Indeed, if Local Folders is selected, the option for creating a new
> > > folder in the Folders menu is disabled.
> > > However, the respective option in the context menu (AKA right click
> > > menu) on Local Folders is enabled and successfully created a top
> > > level folder.
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > Kevin
> > 
> > Error opening /home/gene/Mail/.inbox.directory/eagle; this folder is
> > missing.
> > 
> > That one I had nuked previously, with kmail.
> > 
> > Next?
> 
> Does the folder exist? Does it have cur/ new/ and tmp/ sub directories?
> 
> Anyway, did using the context menu work for you as it did for me?
> 
> Cheers,
> Kevin

Yes, it created it, in the .inbox folder both times I tried as I tried to 
create a "../eagle" folder the second time, both times it reported a 
failure, but it was there when the failure msg was click to clear it, but 
when kmail then did the rescan, it was there in the .inbox/eagle as shown 
in the folder list, so I nuked it both times, and now, everytime I hit the 
bottom of the list an it restarts at the top, I have about 5 or 6 error 
messages, "can't find the eagle folder" I have to clear before it will 
actually go show me the next message in the inbox.

This is rapidly turning into a PIMA.  I would switch to claws but the last 
time I looked, it did not have an import from kmail function.  And my kmail 
corpus goes back to early 2002, nearly 10 years.  That is several gigs 
worth of messages I do NOT want to leave behind.

Thanks for any more guidance folks.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] kmail getting uppity again...

[gene heskett]

On Thursday, March 08, 2012 12:11:17 PM Kevin Krammer did opine:

> On Thursday, 2012-03-08, gene heskett wrote:
> > Greetings folks;
> > 
> > kmail 1.13.7 from the pclos repos.
> > 
> > I joined a forum at Cadsoft, for eagle, their pcb design tool.
> > 
> > It copies all forum posts to your subscription address, so I thought
> > it would be nice to make an 'eagle' folder, to reside in the sorted
> > list of folders I now have about 40 of.  To save these messages in
> > case I might be able to contribute, and make use of kmail's expiry
> > rules was the main reason, they are 'no reply' messages, containing
> > an html link to that forum thread.  AFAIAC, they can be expired in a
> > couple days.
> > 
> > But kmail has now decided any new folders MUST be a subfolder of an
> > existing selection again, as when I click on Local Folders, the folder
> > creation stuff is grayed out, disabled.  In both the file pulldown and
> > the folders pulldown.
> 
> Since I have the same version of KMail (on Debian though), I tried to
> reproduce.
> Indeed, if Local Folders is selected, the option for creating a new
> folder in the Folders menu is disabled.
> However, the respective option in the context menu (AKA right click
> menu) on Local Folders is enabled and successfully created a top level
> folder.
> 
> Cheers,
> Kevin

Error opening /home/gene/Mail/.inbox.directory/eagle; this folder is 
missing.

That one I had nuked previously, with kmail.

Next?

Cheers, Gene
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[kde] kmail getting uppity again...

[gene heskett]

Greetings folks;

kmail 1.13.7 from the pclos repos.

I joined a forum at Cadsoft, for eagle, their pcb design tool.

It copies all forum posts to your subscription address, so I thought it 
would be nice to make an 'eagle' folder, to reside in the sorted list of 
folders I now have about 40 of.  To save these messages in case I might be 
able to contribute, and make use of kmail's expiry rules was the main 
reason, they are 'no reply' messages, containing an html link to that forum 
thread.  AFAIAC, they can be expired in a couple days.

But kmail has now decided any new folders MUST be a subfolder of an 
existing selection again, as when I click on Local Folders, the folder 
creation stuff is grayed out, disabled.  In both the file pulldown and the 
folders pulldown.

I even used mc to move the empty folder it created as a subdir of the inbox 
folder to where I wanted it, one subdir level up, but kmail can't see it.

This has been an intermittent squawk of mine for a decade or more, and has 
occasionally been fixed, why can't it Just Stay Fixed(TM)?

Thanks folks.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] knotify4 going crazy & breeding like rabbits (+ linguistic discussion of the role of "greetings")

[gene heskett]

On Wednesday, February 22, 2012 01:16:28 AM Duncan did opine:

> gene heskett posted on Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:29:31 -0500 as excerpted:
> > On Monday, February 20, 2012 08:08:28 PM Chuck Burns did opine:
> >> On 2/20/2012 5:00 PM, gene heskett wrote:
> >> > Greetings;
> 
> ... and salutations! =:^)
> 
> (Completely OT I know, but while I understand the role of greetings IRL,
> at least in part, from the newcomer to signal the event and focus
> attention on the his arrival (among other things, serving notice that
> intended private conversations may need to stop temporarily), I never
> quite understood the role on lists, newsgroups, forums and the like,
> where one presumably /knows/ when one starts a new message or thread,
> and that doing so signals the same functional type of "context switch"
> that "greetings" does IRL.  As such, for lists, newsgroups and the
> like, I'm accustomed to simply starting my question/answer/whatever, no
> greeting or similar redundancies.  I know a lot of others do likewise,
> while others include it as they would IRL or in formal non-electronic
> written correspondence.  But at times I've simultaneously wondered
> bemusedly at a "Hi", "Greetings", etc, opening, and whether my omission
> thereof inadvertently causes mild offense.  This is obviously one of
> those times...
> 
> The wictionary entry for "greeting" notes that it's less common in
> email, etc, as well.  So... why /do/ you (plural "you", addressed to
> anyone who wishes to respond) include such an opening in electronic
> messages such as lists, email and news messages?  Have you even ever
> thought about it before?  Do you get offended if others don't as well? 
> Are these questions just really strange and off the wall, making me
> look crazy? "Inquiring minds want to know!" =:^)
> 
> >> > I have so far today, killed around 75 copies of /usr/bin/knotify4
> >> > which is pegging out all 4 cores of my phenom, and running it up to
> >> > 70C+.
> >> > 
> >> > Killing all copies (which is puzzling because killall can't find
> >> > them but htop can) cleans the system up&  brings back normal
> >> > operation.
> 
> Which killall form did you use?  Quoting the killall (1) manpage:
> 
> 
> killall  sends  a signal to all processes running any of the specified
> commands[.]  If the command name is not regular expression (option -r)
> and contains a slash (/), processes executing that particular file will
> be selected for killing, independent of their name.
> <<<<<
> 
> Note that kde uses a special launcher, kdeinit4, to launch many of its
> "core" programs.  The commandline for these will be kdeinit4 
> .  The reasoning is that this allows more efficient
> shared-objects loading, so faster launching and more efficient memory
> usage.
> 
> I'm not sure that's exactly what's going on here (my single knotify4
> instance appears to be a direct child of init, pid 1, and it doesn't
> appear with the kdeinit4 prefixed on its command line), but it is indeed
> quite possible for applications to be launched such that the name and
> the command-line don't match, such that a killall without -r or / won't
> see it.
> 
> As mentioned in the manpage quote above, the absolute executable file
> path (detected by the presence of a / in the name) or a regular
> expression (using -r) can be used instead.  It's possible these would
> get the ones a standard killall misses.
> 
> Of course, the other possibility is that killall sends the signal, but
> the process ignores it, especially if the process is hung.  The default
> SIGTERM (-15) would allow this.  SIGHUP/-1, SIGINT/-2, SIGSEGV/-11, and
> finally SIGKILL/-9, in order of increasing severity, can be used
> instead, with SIGKILL being "kill with predjudice", that is, don't give
> the app a chance to clean up or to say no, just kill it.  Of course,
> this last one can leave half-written files and the like around.  The
> kernel will close them and return memory resources to the system, but
> if it was a config file or the like, it could cause problems at the
> next start, so SIGKILL/-9 should always be used as a last resort.
> 
> Of course signal types is pretty basic Unix, so you probably knew that
> bit, but others reading might not.
> 
> But if killall found at least one process to deliver the signal to, it
> returns success whether or not the process actually responded, while if
> it didn't find a process at all, it returns failure status and complains
> to STDERR, and it's li

Re: [kde] knotify4 going crazy & breeding like rabbits

[gene heskett]

On Tuesday, February 21, 2012 06:17:39 AM Kishore did opine:

> On Monday 20 Feb 2012 6:00:15 PM gene heskett wrote:
> > Greetings;
> > 
> > I have so far today, killed around 75 copies of /usr/bin/knotify4
> > which is pegging out all 4 cores of my phenom, and running it up to
> > 70C+.
> > 
> > Killing all copies (which is puzzling because killall can't find them
> > but htop can) cleans the system up & brings back normal operation.
> > 
> > But in half an hour I am back to 4 to 6 copies and a pegged cpu.
> > 
> > This seems to go along with an uptime of 10 days or more, currently at
> > 18 days.
> > 
> > Is there a permanent fix for this other than switching to (I'd rather
> > just have somebody shoot me) gnome or even (quite a bit better IMO)
> > xfce?
> 
> Are KDE sound/notifications working at all when that happens? I have
> noticed that when something underlying fails in the sound system,
> knotify goes crazy.

Incoming mail makes a pong, from kmail, and I believe that was still 
working albeit with a hoarse voice, I'd assume because the machine was 
pegged out.  And as of this morning, only 2 copies are seen and everything 
is working nominally.  It looks like killing the one clear at the bottom of 
the htop listing when sorted by cpu%, may be the reset key. Killing all the 
cpu hogs, which took about half an hour because it was often 30 seconds 
after sending the top one a signal 9, before htop would recognize another 
F9 click.  cpu usage didn't fall below 99% until there were only 3 hogs 
left on this 4 core box.  Killall came back clean on the first call, then 
couldn't find any more to kill, while I still had most of a screen full 
according to htop.

Each was using about 13% of a cpu when I started, and as I killed them, the 
remaining ones just increased their usage.  When I was down to one, it was 
still using 100% of the core it was on, but was bouncing from core to core.

If it means anything, the running kernel is a BFS enabled kernel, a major 
increase in interactivity compared to CFS.  Sweet.

Could that be a clue?

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] knotify4 going crazy & breeding like rabbits

[gene heskett]

On Monday, February 20, 2012 08:08:28 PM Chuck Burns did opine:

> On 2/20/2012 5:00 PM, gene heskett wrote:
> > Greetings;
> > 
> > I have so far today, killed around 75 copies of /usr/bin/knotify4
> > which is pegging out all 4 cores of my phenom, and running it up to
> > 70C+.
> > 
> > Killing all copies (which is puzzling because killall can't find them
> > but htop can) cleans the system up&  brings back normal operation.
> > 
> > But in half an hour I am back to 4 to 6 copies and a pegged cpu.
> > 
> > This seems to go along with an uptime of 10 days or more, currently at
> > 18 days.
> > 
> > Is there a permanent fix for this other than switching to (I'd rather
> > just have somebody shoot me) gnome or even (quite a bit better IMO)
> > xfce?
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > Cheers, Gene
> 
> I hate to sound like a smartass..

Not at all.

> but have you tried logging out of kde,
> and back in? Your uptime won't suffer, and KDE will be able to
> completely refresh.. There may some sort of leak somewhere..

I suspect there is, but running it down seems nearly impossible when it 
doesn't show up for 2 weeks.
 
> AFAIK, no one has reported a bug about this.. perhaps if you have time,
> you can try to narrow it down to exactly what.
> 
> You can also try disabling all notifications.. ymmv

I do use inotifywait, a seperate utility to facilitate mail travel within 
the machine for one, and to issue an automatic print this command when a 
print file comes out of drivewire, but AFAIK, the rest of it is pure kde.  
I note that I found another copy of it the 2nd time I went on a killing 
rampage today, about 75 processes down from the top, killed it too, and the 
problem has not come back, but something has called up 2 copies of it since 
I nuked them all.

If that had a visible link to whatever restarts it, that would help 
considerably in tracking this down, but apparently no one knows what 
(re)starts it.

But:
[root@coyote eagle]# lsof |grep knotify4|wc -l
1198

How the heck can you separate the wheat from the chaff in a list that 
long..  :(

Half of that is vlc linked:
[root@coyote eagle]# lsof |grep knotify4|grep vlc|wc -l
604

And I haven't specifically used vlc that I know of in months, so I assume a 
news site I have visited must have called it up.

ATM, I have an eagle session on a pcb going in another window, pending info 
that I screwed the moose, so I would rather get that fixed before I reboot 
kde.

So I'll likely muddle along, keeping my rifle barrel warm if it happens 
again.

Thanks Chuck.

Cheers, Gene
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[kde] knotify4 going crazy & breeding like rabbits

[gene heskett]

Greetings;

I have so far today, killed around 75 copies of /usr/bin/knotify4 which is 
pegging out all 4 cores of my phenom, and running it up to 70C+.

Killing all copies (which is puzzling because killall can't find them but 
htop can) cleans the system up & brings back normal operation.

But in half an hour I am back to 4 to 6 copies and a pegged cpu.

This seems to go along with an uptime of 10 days or more, currently at 18 
days.

Is there a permanent fix for this other than switching to (I'd rather just 
have somebody shoot me) gnome or even (quite a bit better IMO) xfce?

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] ksnapshot question. Have I found a bug?

[gene heskett]

On Friday, December 23, 2011 02:07:53 AM Thomas Olsen did opine:

> On Friday 23 December 2011 00:03 gene heskett wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:59:18 PM Thomas Olsen did opine:
> > > Could it be this bug? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258431
> > 
> > From the description, they did a better job of tracing things than I
> > did, but yes, I'd sure say it waddles exactly like that duck.
> > 
> > Configuration issue or more serious?
> 
> I would say more serious. The developer of the "Send to" feature insists
> on a certain workflow which renders the feature unusable for those not
> following that workflow.

I haven't a problem with that, but isn't he in charge of that workflow?  Or 
did he not write the gui that sequenced the steps I took?  Pointing fingers 
at the users just following along in an intuitive way doesn't seem to be 
very productive in terms of user good will.

> I haven't yet found a situation where it works, so I alway just save the
> file when I have taken a screen shot.

I've torn down the setup now, but the pdf is sitting here for when the 
parts get here.  I don't have to have it, likely till after Christmas.  But 
I like to have the tools collected ahead of time so I can proceed from 
start to finish at my own pace, which even at my age is still faster than a 
glacier.  ;-)

Thanks Thomas.

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Re: [kde] ksnapshot question. Have I found a bug?

[gene heskett]

On Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:59:18 PM Thomas Olsen did opine:

> On Thursday 22 December 2011 22:10 gene heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> > 
> > I just tried because I needed a big blowup of a base pattern of an
> > opto- interrupter in order to write some gcode to carve a pcb pattern
> > for it, put acroread to full screen and set the size for 400%,
> > centered the line drawing I wanted & then took a screen snapshot,
> > then tried to send it straight to one of the printers attached here
> > from ksnapshot.
> > 
> > But the printer dialog called some sort of a print manager & made me
> > answer a few questions that it was difficult to do because all the
> > paper dimension choices were in metric sizes.  Not well understood in
> > 8.5x11 inch letter paper land.  It didn't show me a preview in that
> > utility either although it did show me an empty preview window, and
> > when I told it to go ahead and print, I got a blank sheet of paper to
> > confirm my suspicions.
> > 
> > Does anyone have a clue where the image data may have gotten lost?
> 
> Could it be this bug? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258431
> 
>From the description, they did a better job of tracing things than I did, 
but yes, I'd sure say it waddles exactly like that duck.

Configuration issue or more serious?

> > system is a phenom 4, running uptodate 32 bit pclos, kde is 4.6.5.

Thanks Thomas & Merry Christmas

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[kde] ksnapshot question. Have I found a bug?

[gene heskett]

Greetings all;

I just tried because I needed a big blowup of a base pattern of an opto-
interrupter in order to write some gcode to carve a pcb pattern for it, put 
acroread to full screen and set the size for 400%, centered the line 
drawing I wanted & then took a screen snapshot, then tried to send it 
straight to one of the printers attached here from ksnapshot.

But the printer dialog called some sort of a print manager & made me answer 
a few questions that it was difficult to do because all the paper dimension 
choices were in metric sizes.  Not well understood in 8.5x11 inch letter 
paper land.  It didn't show me a preview in that utility either although it 
did show me an empty preview window, and when I told it to go ahead and 
print, I got a blank sheet of paper to confirm my suspicions.

Does anyone have a clue where the image data may have gotten lost?

system is a phenom 4, running uptodate 32 bit pclos, kde is 4.6.5.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] exporting from kmail (Was: Kmail2/Akonadi issue on FreeBSD.)

[gene heskett]

On Saturday, December 03, 2011 08:17:28 PM Duncan did opine:

> gene heskett posted on Sat, 03 Dec 2011 14:20:38 -0500 as excerpted:
> >> So either that root claws-mail instance was still running, or it had
> >> crashed without getting a chance to clean up the socket-file it left
> >> behind.
> > 
> > That may be a possibility, its a month old now and short term memory
> > is one of the casualties at my age.
> 
> FWIW, that doesn't happen here, at least not in $TMPDIR on my
> workstation.  I have $TMPDIR set to a tmpfs, so it's all clean at every
> boot.  And I like testing git kernels and the like, so a 10-day uptime
> tends to be about the limit.  Thus, NOTHING in $TMPDIR is ever a month
> old.
> 
I always keep a root shell going for various nefarious purposes, so I just 
rm'd that socket, then reran claws from the kde menu and got one 
claws.mail-500, which went away when I quit claws again.

> My netbook is a bit of a different beast.  I still have a tmpfs mounted
> $TMPDIR, but I don't update it as regularly and it spends most of the
> time suspended to disk, so it may get six months or more in "uptime",
> while only /actually/ being "up" a few dozen hours.
> 
> And the router, running OpenWRT... I pretty much treat as the embedded
> system it is.  It's on the UPS for the VoIP phone system, and basically
> none of it goes down unless the ISP does maintenance on the cable link
> or something and I get a new IP.  Then, because the ATA's behind the
> router (behind the cable modem, also running Linux BTW, with a Motorola
> site link to sources to comply with the GPL, tho as all DOCSIS modems
> it's entirely cableco-side managed) and the NAPT keeps trying to route
> the VoIP using the old connections, I have to reboot at least the ATA
> and sometimes both the router and the ATA, to get a new, active VoIP
> registration.

I ran dd-wrt on a stripped x86 box for years, booting from a cf, but 
something got munged in the cf & even though it was a registered version, 
BrainSlayer didn't reply to my request for help, so a netgear is doing that 
position in the cabling now.  But it took 4 trips for different models 
before I got one that worked.
 
> I've thought that when I upgrade routers again, I'll try using an old
> computer with a few Ethernet cards stuck in it, booting from either USB
> thumbdrive or from a CD, no hard drive at all, unless I decide to run a
> server or something, which I might decide to do, as the ISP's killing
> its user webspace in a few days.  But even then I could run it off a
> DVD and reburn for updates.  (IIRC we had a thread with a bit of
> discussion on that a few months ago.)

Yes, I recall that but not the final result.

Thanks Duncan.

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Re: [kde] exporting from kmail (Was: Kmail2/Akonadi issue on FreeBSD.)

[gene heskett]

On Saturday, December 03, 2011 02:07:30 PM Duncan did opine:

> [Given that you are in recovery, save this to come back to later, if
> needed.]
> 
> gene heskett posted on Sat, 03 Dec 2011 06:39:55 -0500 as excerpted:
> > On Saturday, December 03, 2011 06:23:58 AM Duncan did opine:
> >> gene heskett posted on Fri, 02 Dec 2011 13:06:19 -0500 as excerpted:
> >> >> As I've mentioned previously, claws-mail uses a Unix socket for
> >> >> instance syncing.
> >> > 
> >> > But where is the sockets # defined?
> >> 
> >> I don't quite get the thrust of that question
> >> 
> >> It's a Unix socket, so it's defined by a path and socketfile name,
> >> not an IP and port number, so socket number doesn't really make
> >> sense
> >> 
> >> Be that as it may, the socket path and filename is...
> >> 
> >> $TMPDIR/claws-mail-
> > 
> > Humm, I have:
> > [gene@coyote ~]$ ls $TMPDIR
> > claws-mail-0=
> > 
> > But a cat, or an ls -l fails, no such file
> > But an 'ls -l $TMPDIR/' shows it as
> > srwxr-xr-x 1 root   root   0 Nov  3 23:39 claws-mail-0=
> > 
> > So I presume it is usable, by root only.  claws isn't running so
> > should that not have been cleaned up by its exit code?
> 
> You're running (ran?) claws as root? 
> 
Yeah scary.  But I don't ever recall starting it as anyone but me.

> As the paraphrase goes, "Thou shalt not take the name of root in vain!"

:)
 
> FWIW, I haven't run X while logged in as root (which I seldom do either,
> now days, referring to logging in as root, I just first sudo to my admin
> user with sudo-everything-no-password rights, and then sudo whatever
> command... tho I do still sudo bash for a couple commands from said
> admin user occasionally, in ordered to properly set environmental
> variables and not have them stripped and set to defaults by the sudo
> itself, and I do sudo mc and ctrl-o from there, thus having a root
> shell, occasionally) in so long, I'm no longer sure what would happen
> if I tried.  And while I / did/ recently try to kdesudo some command
> recently, while in kde as my normal user, that didn't work due to
> broken Xauth (talking about Unix sockets, that is one...), and I didn't
> even bother tracking that down, either... I took it as encouragement to
> quit trying to bend my own security rules, instead.

Generally good advice, and I am not allergic to chowning -R, stuff I have 
built in the /home/gene tree.
 
> So basically, only CLI (and ncurses type semi-guis such as mc) will even
> run from a normal user X session now, and I since I haven't run X as
> root in probably half a decade or more, that means no X apps at all
> ever get run as root any more, here.  And like I said, when I tried
> running something x-based as root the other day and it failed, I simply
> took that as encouragement not to bend my own security rules and did it
> the normal way, sudo to my admin user in a konsole session, and from
> there "sudid"  whatever I was going to do as root, at the konsole
> CLI, as I should have done in the first place!

:)
 
> It just seems so strange and foreign to even /think/ of running an X app
> as root to me now, that when I tried it the other day and failed, my
> reaction was to more or less guiltily slink back in my hole as if the
> police had just knocked on the steamed up car window! =8^0
> 
> Given that, I guess I feel a bit like that policeman myself, at this
> point, knocking on your window.  Do I need to go find some paperwork to
> do for about five minutes or something? =8^0
> 
> 
> Anyway...
> 
> I did just verify here that my claws-mail sockets get cleaned up when I
> quit claws-mail, and come back when I restart, so yes, they normally do
> get cleaned up.  However, it's worth noting that unlike say TCP/IP
> sockets, Unix sockets are actual files on the filesystem, and if an app
> crashes while they're open, they'll stay around just as would any other
> file when an app crashes -- they won't be cleaned up by the kernel
> basically automatically, as would memory resources and TCP/IP sockets.
> 
> So either that root claws-mail instance was still running, or it had
> crashed without getting a chance to clean up the socket-file it left
> behind.

That may be a possibility, its a month old now and short term memory is one 
of the casualties at my age.
 
> It's worth noting at this point that claws-mail does have a systray
> plugin, and can be set to minimize-to-tray, with the window close button
> then minimizing to tray instead of quitting, and th

Re: [kde] exporting from kmail (Was: Kmail2/Akonadi issue on FreeBSD.)

[gene heskett]

On Saturday, December 03, 2011 06:23:58 AM Duncan did opine:

> gene heskett posted on Fri, 02 Dec 2011 13:06:19 -0500 as excerpted:
> >> As I've mentioned previously, claws-mail uses a Unix socket for
> >> instance syncing.
> > 
> > But where is the sockets # defined?
> 
> I don't quite get the thrust of that question, so really haven't a clue
> if the below answers it or not.  First instinct is to interpret that as
> "where [in the sources] is the socket # defined", but that doesn't make
> a whole lot of sense in context.  How/where is it defined in the
> config? Maybe, but...
> 
> It's a Unix socket, so it's defined by a path and socketfile name, not
> an IP and port number, so socket number doesn't really make sense
> there, either.
> 
> Be that as it may, the socket path and filename is...
> 
> $TMPDIR/claws-mail-

Humm, I have:
[gene@coyote ~]$ ls $TMPDIR
claws-mail-0=

But a cat, or an ls -l fails, no such file
But an 'ls -l $TMPDIR/' shows it as
srwxr-xr-x 1 root   root   0 Nov  3 23:39 claws-mail-0=

So I presume it is usable, by root only.  claws isn't running so should 
that not have been cleaned up by its exit code?

> UID is of course the user-id number.  I've no idea what path claws
> defaults to if $TMPDIR is unset, since it's set by my system scripts
> here so always exists in the environment unless deliberately unset.
> 
> When I setup my second instance for feeds, it kept trying to use the
> same socket even when I pointed it at a different config, until I
> (think I) happened across some documentation mentioning the socket in
> $TMPDIR (either that or I straced the startup, discovered the socket in
> tmp, and searched for and found the docs reference to it later, IDR
> which at this point), after which I immediately created a wrapper
> script that set $TMPDIR to something else before starting the feeds
> instance, and all of a sudden the second instance "magically" worked!
> =:^)
> 
> Now that I've actually run into that problem once, I expect I'll
> remember to check for socket or dbus syncro the next time an app keeps
> trying to use the one instance when I'm trying to create a second, but
> this was the first time I'd run into that problem, so it took me awhile
> to figure out what was causing it, tho it all immediately made sense
> when I did, and I kicked myself for taking so long to realize the
> problem.
> 
> Hope that answers the question...

It points out that I don't know a thing about unix sockets I think. :)

Can you recommend some reading, URL style?  For when I can see well.  This 
morning both eyes have waterlogged bags under them, but this should be the 
worst of it.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] exporting from kmail (Was: Kmail2/Akonadi issue on FreeBSD.)

[gene heskett]

On Friday, December 02, 2011 11:59:34 AM Duncan did opine:

> gene heskett posted on Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:53:16 -0500 as excerpted:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:52:24 AM Duncan did opine:
> >> gene heskett posted on Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:01:23 -0500 as excerpted:
> >> > I may have hit what is almost a show-stopper with claws.  There
> >> > appears, from the .pdf of the docs I found, no way to have another
> >> > script send it a check mail command.  And while I did find an
> >> > auto-check option in the preferences menu, it doesn't read as doing
> >> > what I need it to do, or the docs maybe are a bit old?  kmail from
> >> > 4.6.5, even from the 3.5.0+, has had a dbus socket that works very
> >> > well indeed using this line from my ~/bin/mailwatcher script:
> >> > Cmd define (word wrapped):
> >> > Cmd="/usr/lib/qt4/bin/qdbus org.kde.kmail /KMail
> >> > org.kde.kmail.kmail.checkMail"
> >> > 
> >> > Invocation later in the script after having verified that kmail is
> >> > indeed running and there is new mail in /var/spool/mail/gene:
> >> > $cmd
> >> > 
> >> > Is this dbus port indeed on the missing list?
> >> 
> >> I'm not aware of a dbus command for it -- that doesn't mean it
> >> doesn't exist, I just never looked for it, but there's definitely a
> >> scripted solution possible, as claws, like many mh-format mail
> >> clients, is designed with exactly that sort of scripted
> >> extensibility in mind.
> > 
> > Thanks Duncan, now I have something to look forward to.
> 
> After looking into it... it could hardly be simpler, so much so I feel a
> bit like an idiot for not immediately suspecting and verifying this for
> my earlier reply.  Excerpt from claws-mail --help (and also covered in
> the claws-mail manpage):
> 
> Usage: claws-mail [OPTION]...
> [...]
>   --receive  receive new messages
>   --receive-all  receive new messages of all accounts
> 
> 
> Now the commentary...
> 
> As I've mentioned previously, claws-mail uses a Unix socket for instance
> syncing.

But where is the sockets # defined?

> Thus, when invoked with the above command, it'll check the
> socket and if it finds an existing claws-mail instance listening on it,
> it'll simply pass on the command over the socket.  Now days, that
> executable-binary-to-executable-binary communication would likely be
> done over dbus, but of course this setup was implemented long before
> dbus existed, so...

Yes, dbus make it easy, but it also has a few warts which require that the 
receiver be present when the first command is sent, else one has to shut it 
all down and restart things in the proper order.  IMO, if the target 
doesn't exist, dbus should dump to /dev/null, but as is, it blocks even 
after the target becomes available.
 
> In regard to receive vs receive-all, it can be noted that claws has a
> notion of current account that I'm still getting used to.  When you
> setup accounts, you select one (normally the first one setup) as the
> default, and that's the current account unless you've changed to a
> different one. The simple --receive option just checks that one, I
> think, while --receive-all checks them all.

I actually have kmail setup to check 2 local /var/spool/mail files, we have 
a niece whom I route slightly different because she is on winderz and 
frontiernet.net, which for some reason drives SA bonkers.  So I route that 
before SA even knows its there.
 
> But I just read back thru that long thread we had on your mailcheck
> script, and it reads as if you have everything pulled into the mail
> spool before your mail client ever even gets involved at all.

Again, correct.  Removing kmail from the fetch mechanics removes the 30 
second or more freezes of the composer UI while typing a reply.  Much more 
pleasant for the user.

> It may
> be that you only need a single receiving account as a result, and
> simple -- receive will work for that.
> 
> (FWIW, claws does have the concept of send-only accounts as well.  So
> it's quite possible to have only one account with receive setup,
> presumably as the default, and a bunch of send-only accounts, if you
> need them.

Again, good guessing and correct.  I did have 3 send accounts, gmail, my 
lifetime account at the tv station, and of course my ISP, shentel.  But 
shentel started farming their email service out to gmail several months 
ago, insists on a max 3 char password, which no longer works of course, and 
to me its a shrug, no use fixing what I don't use.  KMail, with its ability 
to set

Re: [kde] exporting from kmail (Was: Kmail2/Akonadi issue on FreeBSD.)

[gene heskett]

On Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:52:24 AM Duncan did opine:

> gene heskett posted on Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:01:23 -0500 as excerpted:
> > I may have hit what is almost a show-stopper with claws.  There
> > appears, from the .pdf of the docs I found, no way to have another
> > script send it a check mail command.  And while I did find an
> > auto-check option in the preferences menu, it doesn't read as doing
> > what I need it to do, or the docs maybe are a bit old?  kmail from
> > 4.6.5, even from the 3.5.0+, has had a dbus socket that works very
> > well indeed using this line from my ~/bin/mailwatcher script:
> > Cmd define (word wrapped):
> > Cmd="/usr/lib/qt4/bin/qdbus org.kde.kmail /KMail
> > org.kde.kmail.kmail.checkMail"
> > 
> > Invocation later in the script after having verified that kmail is
> > indeed running and there is new mail in /var/spool/mail/gene:
> > $cmd
> > 
> > Is this dbus port indeed on the missing list?
> 
> I'm not aware of a dbus command for it -- that doesn't mean it doesn't
> exist, I just never looked for it, but there's definitely a scripted
> solution possible, as claws, like many mh-format mail clients, is
> designed with exactly that sort of scripted extensibility in mind.
> 
> There's one way that I know for sure of, because I used it after I ran
> the import script as described in an earlier post.  But that's not ideal
> for this particular situation, which as I said I've never looked into,
> so I'd rather go looking and give you a better answer later, than to
> give you this suboptimal solution now.
> 
> But as I said, I know it's possible, both because claws was designed for
> precisely this sort of extensibility and because I happen to know an
> indirect way of doing it already, based on what I have done.

Thanks Duncan, now I have something to look forward to.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] exporting from kmail (Was: Kmail2/Akonadi issue on FreeBSD.)

[gene heskett]

On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 10:47:42 PM Duncan did opine:

> gene heskett posted on Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:58:11 -0500 as excerpted:
 
> > Interesting that you say claws, but this post came from the pan
> > newsreader according to its headers.
> 
> There were clues to that explanation in the previous mail, but they were
> indirect enough that someone who wasn't familiar with the service might
> have missed them.
> 
> I handle all my lists thru gmane.org, a publicly available list2news
> (and list2web, with a convenient-for-link-references header in each
> news article pointing at the web version) service, and use pan as my
> news client, so pan's what I read and reply to list messages with.  My
> email client thus only deals with normal, personal mail, not
> mailinglists.
> 
> You can read more about it at http://gmane.org .  The list2news server
> is at nntp://news.gmane.org .  You can read as news any list it
> carries, but before replying to anything using it, do read up on it at
> the website, as the mechanism it uses for posting is sort of like
> posting to a moderated newsgroup, but with an "are you sure" address
> verification on the first post to a particular list, and then a forward
> to the listserv -- it only actually posts the message to the group
> after getting it as a list message, just like any other list message.
> 
> I don't actually do much real news these days, but when I do, I use a
> separate pan instance, complete with its own settings, for handling
> news, as compared to the one I use for lists thru gmane.  Thus, as I
> said in the previous post, separate apps or at least separate instances
> of apps for each of mail, lists, news and feeds.  As it happens, I use
> separate instances of pan for lists (thru gmane) and news, and separate
> instances of claws for mail and feeds, but I did go to the trouble to
> setup separate instances, it's not one instance handling both, so they
> act more like four separate apps with similar keyboard accelerator
> settings (I have the keyboard accelerators setup similarly in each),
> than two apps each handling two tasks.
> 
> > What I would like to do is start a conversation with someone who has
> > bailed on kmail & went to claws, and see just how hard it would be to
> > convert my box to that, including the importation of the whole,
> > several Gigabyte, some of it now approaching 10 years old, kmail
> > email corpus into claws.  All the while continuing with my present
> > fetchmail based system to deliver the filtered email into
> > /var/spool/mail/gene.
> > 
> > I have a lot of claws installed already, so the first thing is to
> > import the kmail email corpus into claws.  And on that point, I have
> > no clue,
> 
> I see two other suggestions already, (1) setting up a temporary IMAP
> server to grab them and then pulling from that into claws, and (2) using
> mutt to do the conversion.  However, I used a third solution, (3)
> running the script for that purpose as available on the claws-mail
> site.  It should be easy to find as it's listed as a kmail maildir
> importer script.
> 
> I used a (different) script, also from the claws-mail site, to import
> kmails/kaddressbook's addressbook/contacts into claws-mail.  But it's
> labeled as an evolution vcf-format addressbook importer.
> 
> Unfortunately, both of these were somewhat old and needed a bit of
> massaging to work with current kmail data.  I should note that I don't
> actually know either python or perl (the languages the scripts were
> written in), but know bash and have a sysadmin's "maybe I can hack it to
> work" level familiarity with everything from C/C++ to
> perl/python/tcl/tk/ javascript to html.  That sysadmin's "can I hack it
> to work" approach was all I needed.
> 
> I think it was the maildir importer that was written in python, but it
> was python 2.2 or some such, and didn't initially work with the python
> 2.7 I'm running here.  IIRC I first had to change the shebang line (#!/
> bin/python...) to point at 2.7 instead of 2.2 but that was no big deal.
> That got it to try to run, but it spit out some errors.  Looking at
> them, I had to change a keyword or two and possibly rearrange the
> passed variables in a couple of calls.  That's certainly hacking at a
> level that's beyond some, but it should be doable with a bit of
> patience and persistence by anyone with as I said, a sysadmin's "can I
> hack it to work" level of understanding and approach to their boxes.
> 
> Based on what you have said before about your setups and the hacks you
> use to get them to work, I'm guessing i

Re: [kde] exporting from kmail (Was: Kmail2/Akonadi issue on FreeBSD.)

[gene heskett]

On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 09:55:21 PM Duncan did opine:

> gene heskett posted on Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:58:11 -0500 as excerpted:
> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 01:38:04 PM Duncan did opine:
> >> Martin (KDE) posted on Tue, 29 Nov 2011 07:44:18 +0100 as excerpted:
> >> > I had similar problems about ten years ago and my solution to this
> >> > was setting up an imap mail server. With this I do all my filtering
> >> > on the server and I am free to use any client I want - kmail and
> >> > thunderbird on linux - thunderbird on windows - k9mail on android -
> >> > native mail program on ipod-touch - any other imap aware client you
> >> > can think of
> >> 
> >> Well, the OP in this thread is using IMAP and the new kmail is still
> >> causing him problems...
> >> 
> >> > All these clients gets the same filtered mails. Isn't this an
> >> > option for you?
> >> 
> >> Yes and no.  My mail providers don't offer it, and I could run my
> >> own, but there's little point, as I don't have but the one place I
> >> do mail anyway, and even if I did run my own IMAP server, I'd still
> >> have to find a mail client I was comfortable with to access that
> >> IMAP server from the one location, so why even bother, when a good
> >> mail client bypasses the need for me to run such a server entirely?
> >> 
> >> OK, so after nearly a decade of kmail working just fine as that mail
> >> client, until the devs decided they couldn't leave well enough alone,
> >> I found I needed another solution.  But again, if I'm ultimately
> >> going to need a client I'm comfortable with anyway, why complicate
> >> things by throwing in an IMAP server when the client I'm going to
> >> need to be comfortable with anyway can deal directly with my
> >> providers' POP3 servers?
> >> 
> >> Actually, throwing in extra functionality I don't need and that only
> >> complicates things sounds like a rather familiar idea!  I wonder
> >> where I might have heard that before?  Oh, yeah, that's why I was in
> >> the situation in the first place, because the devs couldn't leave an
> >> unbroken kmail unbroken!
> >> 
> >> Oh, well, I guess I should count myself lucky that I got that nine
> >> years out of it.  Not so much software works that well for that long,
> >> and if claws-mail serves me another nine years, I guess I'll be as
> >> happy with the lengthy usefulness of my choice as I am currently with
> >> its functional practicality. =:^)
> >> 
> >> > Btw: I once tried claws-mail as well, but this program did not fit
> >> > my needs. I currently use SOGo as groupware server besides my
> >> > cyrus imap server and afaik only thunderbird and kmail2 are able
> >> > to handle CalDAV/CardDAV correctly (on Linux). I no longer want to
> >> > handle addresses and appointments in different programs
> >> > separately.
> >> 
> >> My situation is /vastly/ different from yours.  Mobile phone and/or
> >> internet simply hasn't yet fit my cost/benefit profile, and the
> >> proprietary equipment choices don't help.  Android's close enough to
> >> be acceptable if the price was right, but as I said, I've not yet
> >> seen it right, and unfortunately, the mobile-providers are moving
> >> away from unlimited Internet again now, so the situation isn't
> >> likely to get better out to at least the medium term.
> >> 
> >> And while I do have a netbook (gentoo/kde, built in a 32-bit chroot
> >> on my workstation and ssh-rsynced), I really don't use the "net" bit
> >> of it. Very close to 100% of my internet activities are on my
> >> workstation, dual 1080p monitors, etc, so I really DO have little
> >> use for IMAP. Sure, I could run an IMAP server on localhost, but as
> >> I said, it's all single- point local anyway, so it might as well all
> >> be in the client, which I'm going to have to be comfortable with in
> >> any case.
> >> 
> >> And I don't need an
> >> organizer/scheduler/calendar/groupware/nntp-client/
> >> feed-reader/mail-client/im/irc-client/singing-baboons/dancing-monkey
> >> s-
> 
> al
> 
> >> l- in-one!  In fact, I don't need an organizer/scheduler at all, and
> >> I'm more comfortable with async-style email, mailinglists and
> >>

Re: [kde] Kmail2/Akonadi issue on FreeBSD.

[gene heskett]

On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 05:50:07 PM Tami King did opine:

> On 11/29/11 15:38, gene heskett wrote:
> > So the CMC/ string is a dir currently cd'd to the parent of, and it
> > generates the archive file in mbox format in this 'parent' aka $pwd
> > directory?
> > 
> > Neat, and 30 megs of mutt is being installed now.  Time to test. I
> > don't fully understand how some of the quoted stuff works, but here
> > goes, I am cd'd into the ~/Mail/alsa-user directory, giving it the
> > argument "cur/" in place of the CMC/.
> 
> cd to ~/Mail and run the mutt command on alsa-user/
> 
> Tami

Thanks Tami, worked, or at least I have the 'archive' file now.  More after 
dinner.


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Re: [kde] Kmail2/Akonadi issue on FreeBSD.

[gene heskett]

On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 04:18:22 PM Tami King did opine:

> On 11/29/11 14:11, J wrote:
> > gene heskett
> > 
> >> On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 02:43:56 PM J did opine:
> >> 
> >> Claws apparently does only mailfile operations, whereas I have 3/4ths
> >> of the kmail "cur" subdirs as maildirs.
> >> 
> >> I was thinking that I could maybe do a "cpa cur/* /var/mail/gene" and
> >> then have claws read it just as if it was incoming mail.
> >> 
> >> Would that, or a similar idea work?
> > 
> > To convert a Maildir you either need to convert the mail files into
> > mbox format (I don't recommend this, the scripts I tried were almost
> > as bad as kMail2) or put in a temporary install of an IMAP server and
> > rename Folder to .Folder within the Maildir to get the imap server to
> > see them.
> 
> You can convert Maildir to mbox using mutt.  I have been doing that as
> needed since moving from Kmail.
> 
> mutt -f CMC/ -e 'set mbox_type=mbox; set confirmcreate=no; set
> delete=no; push "T.*;sarchive"'
> 
> That reads messages in the Maildir directory CMC and saves them to an
> mbox file called archive.  You can then move archive to where ever it
> needs to be for your new email client.
> 
> Tami

So the CMC/ string is a dir currently cd'd to the parent of, and it 
generates the archive file in mbox format in this 'parent' aka $pwd 
directory?

Neat, and 30 megs of mutt is being installed now.  Time to test. I don't 
fully understand how some of the quoted stuff works, but here goes, I am  
cd'd into the ~/Mail/alsa-user directory, giving it the argument "cur/" in 
place of the CMC/.

2 errors as follows:
gene@coyote alsa-user]$ mutt -f cur/ -e 'set mbox_type=mbox; set 
confirmcreate=no;set delete=no;push "T.*;sarchive"'
cur/ is not a mailbox.

So I cd into cur, where an ls shows several hundred files, and get a "cur/" 
no such directory error.  Also for ./cur/, and ./cur/* actually opens mutt 
to compose a message.  Not exactly what I wanted. :)

Call me confused, or an oldtimer (which I am at 77), but did I do it wrong?  
Running as the user me obviously.

Obviously Tami I don't have the complete idea grokked.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] Kmail2/Akonadi issue on FreeBSD.

[gene heskett]

On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 03:27:14 PM J did opine:

> gene heskett
> 
> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 02:43:56 PM J did opine:
> >> gene heskett
> >> 
> >> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 01:38:04 PM Duncan did opine:
> >> >> Maybe someday an independent kde dev will come along and start a
> >> >> "just does X" client for each of those three Xs.  Maybe not.  If
> >> >> I'm lucky, tho, they'll be started right away, and be reasonably
> >> >> mature and ready for use when claws jumps the shark like kmail
> >> >> did, tho hopefully that won't be for a decade or longer, if ever.
> >> > 
> >> > Interesting that you say claws, but this post came from the pan
> >> > newsreader according to its headers.  It pointed out also that I
> >> > need to apparently increase the number of copies of spamd I have
> >> > running as it failed on the first call getting an
> >> > X-Nasty-aren't-we inserted by procmail.  Local stuffs.
> >> > 
> >> > What I would like to do is start a conversation with someone who
> >> > has bailed
> >> > on kmail & went to claws, and see just how hard it would be to
> >> > convert my box to that, including the importation of the whole,
> >> > several Gigabyte, some
> >> > of it now approaching 10 years old, kmail email corpus into claws.
> >> > All the
> >> > while continuing with my present fetchmail based system to deliver
> >> > the filtered email into /var/spool/mail/gene.
> >> 
> >> I just did that.  I tried to upgrade to kmail2 and it spectacularly
> >> failed.  I switched to claws, based on Duncan's recommendation.  I'm
> >> surprised I haven't been using it for some time.
> >> 
> >> > Like others, the ^#$%& churn in kmail's "accessory" tie-ins,
> >> > without ever fixing its most glaring fault, the lack of
> >> > multi-threading vis-a-vis mail fetching, is beginning to get under
> >> > my skin.
> >> 
> >> Claws doesn't multi-thread well either.
> >> 
> >> > This of course is off topic from the OP's subject line, sorry. 
> >> > Humm, no I'm not, come to think of it, kde needs to better
> >> > understand the users viewpoint on stuff like this, and this is
> >> > after all the kde (the whole maryann) mailing list.
> >> > 
> >> > I have a lot of claws installed already, so the first thing is to
> >> > import the kmail email corpus into claws.  And on that point, I
> >> > have no clue, but would assume the right search terms might find a
> >> > tut on the web.  My feeble  efforts haven't found it yet though.
> >> 
> >> I cheated.  I set up an imap server on localhost, pointed it to my
> >> kMail Maildir and then just did a drag and drop into the Claws MH
> >> mailstore. Then I uninstalled the imap server.
> > 
> > Claws apparently does only mailfile operations, whereas I have 3/4ths
> > of the kmail "cur" subdirs as maildirs.
> > 
> > I was thinking that I could maybe do a "cpa cur/* /var/mail/gene" and
> > then have claws read it just as if it was incoming mail.
> > 
> > Would that, or a similar idea work?
> > 
> > Thanks.
> 
> To convert a Maildir you either need to convert the mail files into mbox
> format (I don't recommend this, the scripts I tried were almost as bad
> as kMail2) or put in a temporary install of an IMAP server and rename
> Folder to .Folder within the Maildir to get the imap server to see
> them.

The difference between the maildir/file, and the individual email in a 
mailfile, seems to be that the apparent break between the files that I have 
noted the possible separator marker is a 2 empty lines followed by a From 
with no terminating semicolon, it really shouldn't be that hard to convert 
back to mailfile.  However, the mailfile messages are already contaminated 
with spamassassin headers, and the 5 or 6 I looked at are also bereft of 
the bare 'From so and so @ site' line, so possibly it will be more complex 
than a simple cpa operation after all.

> 
> It took me about 20 minutes to install, configure, convert, and
> uninstall. I had about 7 years of old email to move over.  Hardest part
> was configuring cyrus-IMAP to see the Maildir (one config item under
> OpenSusE).

I'll have to check cyrus-IMAP out after all.  Installed, but an lsof |grep 
cyrus doesn't return a hint of where its working directory is.  I'll search 
/etc & its man page for clues.

Thanks.


Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] Kmail2/Akonadi issue on FreeBSD.

[gene heskett]

On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 02:43:56 PM J did opine:

> gene heskett
> 
> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 01:38:04 PM Duncan did opine:
> >> Maybe someday an independent kde dev will come along and start a
> >> "just does X" client for each of those three Xs.  Maybe not.  If I'm
> >> lucky, tho, they'll be started right away, and be reasonably mature
> >> and ready for use when claws jumps the shark like kmail did, tho
> >> hopefully that won't be for a decade or longer, if ever.
> > 
> > Interesting that you say claws, but this post came from the pan
> > newsreader according to its headers.  It pointed out also that I need
> > to apparently increase the number of copies of spamd I have running
> > as it failed on the first call getting an X-Nasty-aren't-we inserted
> > by procmail.  Local stuffs.
> > 
> > What I would like to do is start a conversation with someone who has
> > bailed
> > on kmail & went to claws, and see just how hard it would be to convert
> > my box to that, including the importation of the whole, several
> > Gigabyte, some
> > of it now approaching 10 years old, kmail email corpus into claws. 
> > All the
> > while continuing with my present fetchmail based system to deliver the
> > filtered email into /var/spool/mail/gene.
> 
> I just did that.  I tried to upgrade to kmail2 and it spectacularly
> failed.  I switched to claws, based on Duncan's recommendation.  I'm
> surprised I haven't been using it for some time.
> 
> > Like others, the ^#$%& churn in kmail's "accessory" tie-ins, without
> > ever fixing its most glaring fault, the lack of multi-threading
> > vis-a-vis mail fetching, is beginning to get under my skin.
> 
> Claws doesn't multi-thread well either.
> 
> > This of course is off topic from the OP's subject line, sorry.  Humm,
> > no I'm not, come to think of it, kde needs to better understand the
> > users viewpoint on stuff like this, and this is after all the kde
> > (the whole maryann) mailing list.
> > 
> > I have a lot of claws installed already, so the first thing is to
> > import the kmail email corpus into claws.  And on that point, I have
> > no clue, but would assume the right search terms might find a tut on
> > the web.  My feeble  efforts haven't found it yet though.
> 
> I cheated.  I set up an imap server on localhost, pointed it to my kMail
> Maildir and then just did a drag and drop into the Claws MH mailstore.
> Then I uninstalled the imap server.

Claws apparently does only mailfile operations, whereas I have 3/4ths of 
the kmail "cur" subdirs as maildirs.

I was thinking that I could maybe do a "cpa cur/* /var/mail/gene" and then 
have claws read it just as if it was incoming mail.

Would that, or a similar idea work?

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [kde] Kmail2/Akonadi issue on FreeBSD.

[gene heskett]

On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 01:38:04 PM Duncan did opine:

> Martin (KDE) posted on Tue, 29 Nov 2011 07:44:18 +0100 as excerpted:
> > I had similar problems about ten years ago and my solution to this was
> > setting up an imap mail server. With this I do all my filtering on the
> > server and I am free to use any client I want
> > - kmail and thunderbird on linux
> > - thunderbird on windows
> > - k9mail on android
> > - native mail program on ipod-touch
> > - any other imap aware client you can think of
> 
> Well, the OP in this thread is using IMAP and the new kmail is still
> causing him problems...
> 
> > All these clients gets the same filtered mails. Isn't this an option
> > for you?
> 
> Yes and no.  My mail providers don't offer it, and I could run my own,
> but there's little point, as I don't have but the one place I do mail
> anyway, and even if I did run my own IMAP server, I'd still have to find
> a mail client I was comfortable with to access that IMAP server from the
> one location, so why even bother, when a good mail client bypasses the
> need for me to run such a server entirely?
> 
> OK, so after nearly a decade of kmail working just fine as that mail
> client, until the devs decided they couldn't leave well enough alone, I
> found I needed another solution.  But again, if I'm ultimately going to
> need a client I'm comfortable with anyway, why complicate things by
> throwing in an IMAP server when the client I'm going to need to be
> comfortable with anyway can deal directly with my providers' POP3
> servers?
> 
> Actually, throwing in extra functionality I don't need and that only
> complicates things sounds like a rather familiar idea!  I wonder where I
> might have heard that before?  Oh, yeah, that's why I was in the
> situation in the first place, because the devs couldn't leave an
> unbroken kmail unbroken!
> 
> Oh, well, I guess I should count myself lucky that I got that nine years
> out of it.  Not so much software works that well for that long, and if
> claws-mail serves me another nine years, I guess I'll be as happy with
> the lengthy usefulness of my choice as I am currently with its
> functional practicality. =:^)
> 
> > Btw: I once tried claws-mail as well, but this program did not fit my
> > needs. I currently use SOGo as groupware server besides my cyrus imap
> > server and afaik only thunderbird and kmail2 are able to handle
> > CalDAV/CardDAV correctly (on Linux). I no longer want to handle
> > addresses and appointments in different programs separately.
> 
> My situation is /vastly/ different from yours.  Mobile phone and/or
> internet simply hasn't yet fit my cost/benefit profile, and the
> proprietary equipment choices don't help.  Android's close enough to be
> acceptable if the price was right, but as I said, I've not yet seen it
> right, and unfortunately, the mobile-providers are moving away from
> unlimited Internet again now, so the situation isn't likely to get
> better out to at least the medium term.
> 
> And while I do have a netbook (gentoo/kde, built in a 32-bit chroot on
> my workstation and ssh-rsynced), I really don't use the "net" bit of
> it. Very close to 100% of my internet activities are on my workstation,
> dual 1080p monitors, etc, so I really DO have little use for IMAP. 
> Sure, I could run an IMAP server on localhost, but as I said, it's all
> single- point local anyway, so it might as well all be in the client,
> which I'm going to have to be comfortable with in any case.
> 
> And I don't need an organizer/scheduler/calendar/groupware/nntp-client/
> feed-reader/mail-client/im/irc-client/singing-baboons/dancing-monkeys-al
> l- in-one!  In fact, I don't need an organizer/scheduler at all, and I'm
> more comfortable with async-style email, mailinglists and newsgroups
> than sync-style im/irc, so I don't need those, either.  I do use email,
> mailinglists, newsgroups and feeds, but I prefer separate clients or at
> least separate instances of the same client, for each of mail, lists,
> groups and feeds.  As it happens, I now have separate instances of
> claws for mail and feeds, and separate instances of pan for news and
> lists, so I'm pretty well set.
> 
> Some folks /want/ it all combined, as in konact, and that's fine... for
> them.  But it's not for me!
> 
> It's just too bad that kde now lacks a reasonable mail-only client (and
> news-only client and feeds-only client, all three, but SEPARATE), even
> if independently developed, without the heavyweight cost in terms of
> resources, reliability and single-failure-point of akonadi.  I do
> understand the idea of shared functionality and reduced code
> duplication, and for folks who want it all combined in one interface
> and can tolerate the single-point-of-failure and reliability issues,
> whether that's because they use server-based technologies or whatever,
> akonadi and kontact may be WONDERFUL.  But here, I just want my simple
> to use and reliable separate apps back!
> 
> Maybe so

Re: [kde] considering a jump to centos-6

[gene heskett]

On Tuesday, November 22, 2011 03:30:02 AM Duncan did opine:

> gene heskett posted on Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:40:23 -0500 as excerpted:
> > But the kde there is 4.3.5, not the best by a stretch.
> > 
> > Back in the kde-3 days there was a konstruct utility that worked
> > fairly well, and I used that several times on a fedora box
> > 
> > Is there such a beast that would build and install 4.6.5 on a 64 bit
> > centos-6 box?
> 
> There's a couple scripted build methods available.  Note that I use
> Gentoo so haven't used these, and that kde has only recently switched
> mostly to git, so to some extent these scripts may be in transition as
> well, but here's the links:
> 
> General page (see that disclaimer):
> 
> http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build
> 
> In particular (an anchor further down the same page):
> 
> http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build#Scripted_Builds
> 
> There's quite a bit more linked from there or available by simply
> wandering around techbase in general.
> 
> Meanwhile, some months ago I was helping someone try to build and
> install, maybe it was 4.5.x at that point (only kdelibs, but once
> kdelibs installs, the rest is far easier, since kdelibs sets the base
> for everything else and has similar dependencies), on a CentOS, I
> believe it was 5.x, so even older.  He was running into quite a few
> version-too-low issues on dependencies and was building them from
> scratch as well. However, he made quite some progress over several
> days, conquering one problem at a time, and I believe ultimately must
> have gotten it installed, as he seemed pretty close by the last.  He'd
> ask questions about what was required, listing what he had, and I'd
> look up the Gentoo dependencies to see what the minimum they required
> for their building was.  Together, with help from others at times as
> well, we surmounted a number of obstacles, with him either building the
> required versions, or for at least one, passing an configure option so
> it didn't build the component that would have required that dependency.
> 
> However, as an alternative, you may find either the binary rpms or the
> srpms as available on sites like rpmfind.net will work better for you,
> with the srpms at least helping navigate the dependency issues if you
> end up using them to build from sources.  Years ago when I was back on
> Mandrake, I used rpmfind a *LOT*, often installing various rpms from
> rawhide, etc, on Mandrake, since rawhide was the only thing with rpms
> of the quite new versions I wanted, available.
> 
> Good luck whichever way you go.  You may need it. =:^\  (Actually, not
> so much luck, as quite some patience and persistence, tackling and
> overcoming one problem at a time.)  OTOH, as I said, I've not used
> those scripts.  Perhaps they're actually better than I'm thinking, and
> it'll be set it up and come back a half day to perhaps 3 days later,
> depending on the speed of your system and how many dependencies you
> need to build as well, to have it all built and installed. =:^)

Thanks Duncan, it looks as if there might be a chance, message duly marked 
for future reference.

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[kde] considering a jump to centos-6

[gene heskett]

But the kde there is 4.3.5, not the best by a stretch.

Back in the kde-3 days there was a konstruct utility that worked fairly 
well, and I used that several times on a fedora box

Is there such a beast that would build and install 4.6.5 on a 64 bit 
centos-6 box?

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Re: [kde] Questions about Centos-6

[gene heskett]

On Friday, November 18, 2011 05:04:52 AM Duncan did opine:

> gene heskett posted on Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:05:08 -0500 as excerpted:
> > Specifically, how hard is it to install sth in the kde-4.6.5 range
> > onto Centos-6, 64 bit?
> 
> I'm not a CentOS authority, but one of the big differences you're
> looking at is hal.  With kde 4.5 and previous, kde used hal.  With
> 4.6+, it uses udev/upower/udisks instead.
> 
> Since late 4.5 (4.5.4 or 4.5.5) was really the first time I considered
> kde4 full-release worthy -- what SHOULD have been 4.0 (IMO previous
> versions were alpha quality thru 4.2, beta 4.3, rc 4.4), that's a very
> reasonable version to install for still hal-based systems.
> 
> Actually, 4.6 had some unfortunate regressions early on, tho by 4.6.5
> they were generally fixed and/or had workarounds (one, I think triggered
> only if you have a panel configured for the top or left sides, still
> exists in 4.7, but there's known workarounds).  4.6 was in many ways a
> stability regression from 4.5, tho by 4.6.5 it was acceptable.  But for
> systems still using hal, 4.5 is definitely a far easier and better
> choice.

4.6.5 seems to be running well here.  Is there still a konstruct utility 
that was used back around kde-3 to download, build and install it?
Sortas bitchy because it did not account for all the deps before it started 
the build, so working around that meant it took 3 or 4 days, but the result 
was quite stable when done.  I haven't used it to do that for several years 
now, but would be willing to try it again.

Thanks Duncan.

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[kde] Questions about Centos-6

[gene heskett]

Specifically, how hard is it to install sth in the kde-4.6.5 range onto 
Centos-6, 64 bit?


Thanks.

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Re: [kde] kmail expiry question

[gene heskett]

On Thursday, November 03, 2011 09:31:23 PM Duncan did opine:

> gene heskett posted on Thu, 03 Nov 2011 11:18:51 -0400 as excerpted:
> > This is kmail from a 32 bit kde-4.6.5 install on pclos-2011.
> 
> In this case, that's likely not enough info unless someone happens to be
> familiar with pclos (and even then it might be iffy).
> 
> What we need is either kmail or kdepim version, since in the kde 4.6
> timeframe, there were two active kdepim (and thus kmail) versions
> around, the new "akonadified" kmail2 version included in kdepim 4.6+,
> and the older non-akonadified kmail (1) included in kdepim 4.4, since
> kdepim 4.6 wasn't really stable yet and a lot of distros stuck with the
> older kdepim 4.4 with kmail1.

KMail is 1.13.7.  kdepim seems not to even be installed.  Not in $PATH 
anyway.  The package manager says it is installed, version 4.4.11.1

> But since I've uninstalled kmail here (I believe you've seen that story
> so no need to repeat), and I didn't use kmail expiry enough before to
> remember how it behaved, I probably won't be of much help, anyway.  But
> Kevin may well be able to help you, once he knows the kdepim/kmail
> you're working with, anyway.

Thanks & Cheers, Gene
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[kde] kmail expiry question

[gene heskett]

Greetings;

I just discovered that at least one folder that I had a 20 day setting for 
expire, had not been expired since back in June, so a folder that should 
have had 3 to 5k message in it actually had 20k & change, making kmail 
slow.  I fooled around and finally got that folder and a couple more to 
expire by hand, but I thought this was supposed to be automatic.

Is there some other setting someplace that disables the expiry?  My sort 
filters do not set anything special in flags according to the settings 
screen.

This is kmail from a 32 bit kde-4.6.5 install on pclos-2011.

Thanks.

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Re: [kde] What is hijacking Konsole?

[gene heskett]

On Monday, October 31, 2011 12:26:18 AM Duncan did opine:

> Dotan Cohen posted on Mon, 31 Oct 2011 00:33:13 +0200 as excerpted:
> > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 22:58, Zorael  wrote:
> >> Are you running xbindkeys? At least on *buntus, it's set up by
> >> default to launch xterm on Ctrl+F.
> >> 
> >> Quoth .xbindkeysrc;
> >> 
> >>> # set directly keycode (here control + f with my keyboard)
> >>> "xterm"
> >>> آ  c:41 + m:0x4
> > 
> > Wow, you're right! Who is the genius who thought to hijack Ctrl-F,
> > which is "Find" in almost every application!?!
> 
> So I was correct with the global-grab and non-kde theories! =:^)
> 
> But I was somewhat thrown off by the assumption that someone would have
> tested that keystroke in other apps, before posting a question about it
> that blamed the problem on konsole.  Still, while specific window
> global- level-grabs (perhaps specific-window X-level is a better
> description here, since the grabs aren't really global, tho the would
> be if not limited to a specific window) are indeed possible, since
> they're less common, I was forced to assume that either that testing
> had NOT taken place, or a rather less common grab mode was being used,
> and my proposed tests reflected the fact that I wasn't sure of that
> assumption.  So it threw me off only slightly, and the test results
> would have confirmed the fallacy of that assumption, bringing us right
> back on course toward a trace-down.
> 
> As for "hijacking" Ctrl-f, while modern x86 keyboards generally have a
> meta/super/hyper/windows/linux key that due to its relatively recent
> invention, doesn't show up on so many app-level key-bindings, so it's a
> relatively safe key to use for global bindings, apps that don't assume
> it exists (or is configured correctly), as xbindkeys apparently
> doesn't, don't have the luxury of using that key for global bindings
> and thus avoiding the standard, often already bound, control/alt/shift
> modifier combos.
> 
> As a result there's bound to be conflicts when such bindings are global-
> grabbed, and the author was forced to either ship with few if any
> global- grabs active by default, or to assume that a user advanced
> enough to go looking for and installing a global-grab hotkey app, would
> also be advanced enough to look over the default grabs and deactivate
> or modify the ones that didn't suit his purposes.
> 
> It seems both his assumption, that anyone advanced enough to go looking
> for and install such an app would immediately check the config and
> modify it to their own purposes, and mine, that anyone trying to trace
> strange key behavior would test it in more than one app before posting,
> blaming it on a single app, were both incorrect.
> 
> Oh, well...
> 
> At least the problem was traced and corrected, tho.  That's the
> important bit! =:^)

Considering I'm running kde-4.6.5 here on pclos, I just tested mine and a 
plain ctl+f does indeed bring up the find bar.  So this might be a distro 
specific thing.  But I'll also submit that the use of "genius" was 
obviously satirical. ;p)  Whomever did that is I trust suitably chastised 
by now.  Ditto for grabbing mc's f-keys.  Inexcusable, and should be the 
subject of a session with a LART out behind the barn IMO. IIRC those have 
come back, but don't recall which update did it now.

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Re: [kde] What is hijacking Konsole?

[gene heskett]

On Sunday, October 30, 2011 10:36:04 PM Dotan Cohen did opine:

> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 22:58, Zorael  wrote:
> > Are you running xbindkeys? At least on *buntus, it's set up by default
> > to launch xterm on Ctrl+F.
> > 
> > Quoth .xbindkeysrc;
> > 
> >> # set directly keycode (here control + f with my keyboard)
> >> "xterm"
> >> آ  c:41 + m:0x4
> 
> Wow, you're right! Who is the genius who thought to hijack Ctrl-F,
> which is "Find" in almost every application!?!
> 
> Thank you!

Dotan: Methinks you give that person way too much credit when you call him 
a genius. :(

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[kde] Trying to build digikam, fails on Exiv2

[gene heskett]

Greetings all;

I'm running pclos-2011, up to date as of an hour ago,  but every time I try 
to run digikam (it is 1.9.something from the pclos repos) I find new 
breakage, today it lost all the albums, which I always thought was a 
solution looking for a problem.  But obviously, with no albums recognized, 
it cannot import from my camera.

I finally did get dolphin to download the images I wanted, (a first for 
dolphin, it actually worked, but then I'm an old mc fan) and put them where 
I wanted, so I did get the prints for a nominally $50,000 tv transmitter 
move onto paper eventually by way of gimp and gutenprint.

Then I checked, downloaded the digikam 2.2.something git repo, followed 
instructions and tried to issue the cmake version of autoconfig.  It 
toddles along, finding stuff up to Exiv2, version .21 it needs but I have 
version .20.  This is rapidly descending into dependency hell, since I have 
already pulled in, with synaptic, about 120 *-devel files to get this far.

I would rather not descend into this so far I might as well install one the 
build it all from scratch distributions like gentoo.

What, if anything, can I do about this error:
[...]
-
-- Congratulations! All external packages have been found.
-

-- 
--
-- Starting CMake configuration for: libkipi
-- 
--
-- Starting CMake configuration for: libkexiv2
-- Could NOT find Exiv2:  Found version "0.20.0", but required is at least 
"0.21" (found /usr/lib/libexiv2.so)

-
-- The following REQUIRED packages could NOT be located on your system.
-- You must install these packages before continuing.
-
   * Exiv2 (0.21 or higher)  
 Required to build libkexiv2.

And of course it bails out.

The suse version on rpmfind needs a bunch of kde-4.7.2 stuff and I still 
have 4.6.5 IIRC.  And they have no builds between 1.9.0 and 2.2.0.

Thanks for any help, or maybe a pointer to some other Just Works(TM) 
substitute for digikam.


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Re: [kde] Once again kmail's folder creation fails

[gene heskett]

On Friday, August 19, 2011 04:00:01 AM Duncan did opine:

> gene heskett posted on Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:26:38 -0400 as excerpted:
> > KDE-4.6.5, 32 bit.
> > 
> > For some reason, the new folder thing insists on creating a
> > sub-folder, and will not allow it to be moved to the same directory
> > level as the inbox/outbox and about 40 other folders all visible in
> > this top level list.
> > 
> > Am I not chewing the right stuff or ??
> 
> You mention the kde version (good), but do note that kmail is part of
> kdepim, which unfortunately makes things rather more complicated than
> that.

Kmail help says 1.13.7

> The problem is that kdepim was stuck at the 4.4.x level for some
> time as they worked out problems in the new "akonadified" kmail2.  There
> was a kdepim 4.6.0 and 4.6.1 release, but they came out much later than
> the rest of kde 4.6 (kdepim 4.6.0 came out about the time of kde 4.6.3,
> IIRC, and kdepim 4.6.1 was after that, between kde 4.6.4 and kde 4.6.5,
> I /think/), and apparently were even then for early-adopters only.
> 
> So it's quite likely that you have only kdepim 4.4.x, with x=10 or
> higher.
> 
> It makes quite a difference, as the kdepim 4.6 versions were both
> relatively unstable for kmail, and I wouldn't be surprised to see this
> sort of bug at all, with them.

This is a pclos install, about 12 hours overdue to update, so one could 
call it up to date.  According to the /var/cache/apt/archives contents, 
kdepim is 4.4.11-1. Dated April 23 2011

kdepimlibs4-4.6.5 dated July 1 2011

> Meanwhile, kdepim got back in sync with the rest of kde for 4.7.0, so
> with the 4.7 series, you can again refer simply to the kde version when
> talking about kmail (except that some distros /may/ decide to stick with
> the older kdepim 4.4 thru 4.7, too, but that'd be distro-specific if
> they did).

pclos has been very aggressive, passing your updates on to the users 
quickly, often the next day, after a new release.
 
> Meanwhile(2), we've had a number of previous thread-discussions, but I'm
> not sure if you've followed my postings since.  If you have, you already
> know that after testing it with the kdepim 4.6 series, I decided the new
> akonadified kmail was not for me, and after nearly a decade on kmail
> (since kde2 era, 2002, with imports from MSOE that go back another half-
> decade or so), I've now switched to claws-mail.
> 
> Here's the warning.  I suspect you, as me, aren't going to be
> particularly happy with the new akonadified kmail.  However, if you have
> a large existing local mail store (not IMAP, local mbox or maildir) as I
> did, migrating to claws-mail won't be particularly easy.  OTOH, unless
> they make migration from kmail-1 easier, that migration won't be
> particularly easy either.

Oh oh.  My email corpus is about 10Gb, reaching back 9+ years for 3 of the 
lists I am on.
 
> OTOH, if you're on IMAP or don't have a huge local mail collection that
> you are particularly worried about carrying forward, things should be a
> LOT easier for you either way you go, staying with the new akonadified
> kmail2, or switching to claws-mail or something else.
> 
> But either way, assuming you are still using the older kdepim 4.4 series
> kmail1, expect that you may have some issues when you upgrade to kde 4.7
> and thus the akonadified kmail2.  If you're thinking about switching to
> something else, doing it now, before that upgrade, will save you the
> hassle of both that upgrade, deciding you don't like it, and then
> switching to something else, and either way, upgrading kmail or
> switching, you can expect some difficulties in the process.  How bad
> those are depends on a lot of factors, including whether you want to be
> sure and take all your existing mail with you, whether you're on IMAP or
> POP3+local-folders, how many mail addresses you have, whether and to
> what extent you take advantage of kmail's filtering system, etc.

I use the hell out of kmails filtering system, but because kmail is single 
threaded, all mail suckage is handled by fetchmail/procmail/spamassassin, 
and what passes that gauntlet, with mailfilter in front of fetchmail, is 
dropped into the /var/spool/mail/gene mailfile, which kmail can then 
process without the lengthy composer stalls caused by kmail pulling the 
mail from the ISP's servers.  That has been my solution to the composer 
stalls, and works exceedingly well since I figured out a way to notify 
kmail when new mail is available using inotifywait, so kmail is now 
synchonized to the mail appearing in that file.  It is now pulled, filtered 
and sorted a few milliseconds after procmail deposits it in the above 
mailfile.  Effective

[kde] Once again kmail's folder creation fails

[gene heskett]

Hi folks;

KDE-4.6.5, 32 bit.

For some reason, the new folder thing insists on creating a sub-folder, and 
will not allow it to be moved to the same directory level as the 
inbox/outbox and about 40 other folders all visible in this top level list.

Am I not chewing the right stuff or ??

Thanks.

Cheers, gene
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Re: [kde] I just noticed: no more crashes! Thanks, KDE team!

[gene heskett]

On Tuesday, August 02, 2011 01:42:33 PM Dotan Cohen did opine:

> I was going through some old bookmarks when I found this post:
> http://gkiagia.wordpress.com/2009/08/19/installing-debug-symbol-packages
> -from-drkonqi/
> 
> I then realized that I don't remember seeing any KDE applications
> crash in KDE 4.6 or now in 4.7. In fact, it's been so long since I
> remember seeing Dr. Konki that KDE 4.5 probably didn't crash anything,
> either.
> 
> So the time to express appreciation for the KDe and Plasma devs. You
> guys are doing tremendous work and I thank you for that!

+100 at least, Dotan.

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[kde] Re: OT Language (was Re: lost Desktop)

[gene heskett]

On Tuesday, July 19, 2011 07:23:53 AM Anne Wilson did opine:

> On Monday 18 Jul 2011 07:42:09 Duncan wrote:
> > Anne Wilson posted on Sat, 16 Jul 2011 07:06:04 +0100 as excerpted:
> > > An amazing number of solutions to a single problem :-)
> > 
> > Indeed. Altho they're variants on a theme that each have particular
> > strengths and weaknesses.  A pipe wrench, for instance, grips
> > amazingly well on a rounded pipe, but can damage the corners on a hex
> > head and is extremely heavy and cumbersome for the task of turning
> > one, so is seldom used for that, except where the corners are already
> > so rounded that a normal wrench or crescent can't get a proper grip
> > (in which case it's working at its strength again, gripping a mostly
> > rounded object).
> > 
> > > Your Crescent Wrench is the one that I have - a slightly smaller and
> > > lighter version of David's.
> > > 
> > > None of the other pictures look like the other one he uses.
> > > Imagine a single piece of iron, like a flattened umbrella handle.
> > > Underneath the curve is serrated to be one half of the jaw, and down
> > > the straight are a number of holes.  A second, entirely separate
> > > piece of iron fits around the handle, with the curved upper surface
> > > being serrated.  There is a single hole, where a pin locates it
> > > into the adjustable part.  It's a very primitive tool, to my eye.
> > > Maybe I can get a photo of it.
> > 
> > This remains quite interesting to me.  I have the general idea, now, I
> > think (thanks for the second attempt at a description), but such
> > things as the curve and attack angle are critical to getting a proper
> > conception of how well the tool works in practice and what its
> > strengths might be, and while you might be very good at describing
> > embroidery patterns (I remembered that from when I followed
> > kde-planet), those sorts of details are difficult to convey or even
> > notice without a draftsman's eye and likely a reasonable
> > understanding of the physical forces and interactions involved.
> > 
> > From what I've read of Gene's posts, if he saw one he might be able to
> > describe it well in words, but I'm definitely /not/ making a similar
> > claim for myself, tho I could probably grok the functionality
> > reasonably well, to intuit the type of strengths and weaknesses it
> > might have (as I described for the pipe wrench above, for instance),
> > at least to myself, for the purposes of evaluating the right tool for
> > the job at hand.
> > 
> > In short, it's the picture-is-worth-a-thousand-words problem. =:^D
> > 
> > I did stay a year with my grandparents as I entered my teens, and
> > while by that time they had sold the farm and bought a house in town,
> > so grandpa had no doubt left a lot of tools behind (and part of the
> > reason I was there was because he was gradually losing it by that
> > time, and grandma felt better with someone else around, to run to the
> > neighbor next door and call the police, if it came to it, so it
> > wasn't as if I could really ask grandpa), I do remember playing
> > around with a number of tools I hadn't seen before and may well never
> > see again.  I'm just wondering if I saw a picture, if I might
> > immediately recognize something I didn't know the function of back
> > then, perhaps because I only saw the separate halves.  The the word
> > description alone doesn't trigger the association or memory, but a
> > picture would very likely do so if it was something I had come across
> > either then or at some estate sale or the like.
> > 
> > So if you happen to have a cell phone with a camera or some such, or
> > happen to come across a picture on the net, I'd be much obliged.  But
> > if not, don't sweat it, I don't either (the closest I have is the
> > webcam on the netbook, but it's facing the user so is hard to use to
> > take photos of anything but myself, with... and BTW, I don't know of
> > any kde software that works with it either, except perhaps kopete for
> > visual chat, but I don't use it as I'm too deliberative a
> > thinker/typer to be effective at IM/IRC, something simple to do
> > stills and movies with would be nice). It's not as if anything
> > important depends on my seeing a picture.
> > 
> > But I can't shake the feeling that something like a year from now,
> > I'll chance across a photo or something, and it'll be "Oh, so THAT
> > was what Anne was talking about!  DUH!  I should have thought of
> > that!"
> > 
> > Meanwhile, that's enough of a description that I'm at least somewhat
> > likely to recognize one if I see it, perhaps at a yard sale, or come
> > across a photo of it myself, so that year-from-now or whatever
> > scenario isn't unlikely.
> 
> Here you are:  http://imagebin.org/163773
> 
> As you might guess, it's very old - a family "heirloom" :-D
> 
> Anne

I am 76yo, and an old Iowa farm boy, but that is the first one of those I 
have seen.  And I thought my grandfather had one of everything!

Neat, an

[kde] Re: Okular does not print

[gene heskett]

On Sunday, July 17, 2011 07:34:01 PM John Layt did opine:

> On Saturday 16 July 2011 21:54:32 gene heskett wrote:
> > Hijacking a thread here, but it sure needs help.  When okular is set
> > to auto-scale, it sends to a US letter printer about 9" wide, so the
> > right hand inch is missing. Whomever decided it should be FF's
> > default pdf reader needs a very close examination of their thinker. 
> > Adobe reader Just Works(TM).
> 
> Calling into question the sanity of the people involved is not a good
> way to convice them to fix problems :-)
> 
> Personally I have absolutely no problems here printing various page
> sizes to an A4 paper size printer (other than the occasional
> Landscape/Portrait confusion).  I spent weeks testing the printing
> code, wasted two reams of paper doing so, and it works for my setup,
> but sadly I can't afford to own every printer, try every paper size,
> test every combination of libraries, or have every possible source
> document to test.
> 
> Do you have a bug report for this?

No, just a note to self, to use the much more expensive to run Epson 
NX-515, which I also have here.

> I'm not sure I understand what the
> bug exactly is. 

Letter sized pdf's are rendered with a non-square pixel if sent to a 
Brother HLK-2140 B&W laser printer.  In other words, the page length seems 
to be correct, but both text and images are rendered about 5/4ths width, so 
the right side of the text, which doesn't wrap, is missing 7 to 9 chars at 
the right end of the line.  A Cups test page is properly rendered, with the 
page outline at about .225" margin all around.

> What do you mean by auto-scale, I don't see that
> option anywhere in Okular or the print dialog?

The print preview option of FF5 can scale in 10% intervals, or the default.

> What page size is the
> PDF you're printing?

I assume letter or A4, it originated at altera in Taiwan.  the "Altera 
Software Installation and Licensing Manual" which can  be fetched from the 
altera.tw site.  After printing it, I didn't bother to save it, so it 
appears I will have to go get it again myself.

> What software created the PDF (Acrobat Distiller
> docs look best in Acrobat Reader, unsurprisingly)?

Unk, doesn't give its creator in the output.
> What are the
> settings for paper size in the print dialog? 
> What printer do you have
> and what drivers does it use?

2 ea:
Epson NX515, foomatic or gutenprint.
Brother HL-2140, cups wrapper around the brother driver.

> What version of Cups do you have?
1.4.6

> What
> are the Cups settings for the printer for paper size and resizing? 

Letter, borderless for the Epson, normal borders for the Brother.

> What version of Poppler do you have?

Apparently not installed.  Oh, seems I was spelling it like the tree:
[root@coyote /]# locate poppler
/usr/lib/libpoppler-glib.so.5
/usr/lib/libpoppler-glib.so.5.0.0
/usr/lib/libpoppler-qt4.so.3
/usr/lib/libpoppler-qt4.so.3.3.0
/usr/lib/libpoppler.so.7
/usr/lib/libpoppler.so.7.0.0
/usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_poppler.so
/usr/share/kde4/services/libokularGenerator_poppler.desktop

> What version of Qt do you have

QT4-4.7.3

> (it had bugs with paper sizes that were fixed recently)?  There's so
> many variables in the PDF production, rendering and printing stacks you
> can't always say that it is Okulars fault, it may be some unique
> combination of any or all of the above.
> 
> Can you try running Okular from the command line and see what the print
> command output is?
> 
I did, printed 2 different copies of a dvd insert.  No print command was 
reported in the konsole I ran it from.

> > What I was pointing out was that even xpdf in
> > its final versions did a much better job than okular.
> 
> Really?  I just reinstalled xpdf to remind myself of how bad it was, the
> print dialog even requires you to type in the print command!  It makes
> it hard to take the rest of what you say seriously :-)
> 
Admittedly, that requirement also sucks.

> You do realise that Okular doesn't do the PDF rendering or printing
> itself, it's just a gui shell around Poppler which is (shock horror) a
> fork of xpdf? In fact, I see that there's even now a version of the
> xpdf gui that uses Poppler as its backend.

I saw that a while back, sucks dead toads through soda straws.

> Do you really think we would ship Okular and the distros would set it as
> the default PDF viewer if it was as broken as you describe?
> 
If the choice is a FOSS or proprietary, and the distro is US based, this 
doesn't need discussion.  This is beginning to resemble my fedora printing 
problems, where Mr Waugh, who is in charge of the fedora print machinery, 
refusing to use gutenprint, but stuck with gim

[kde] Re: Okular does not print

[gene heskett]

On Sunday, July 17, 2011 11:02:42 AM Duncan did opine:

> gene heskett posted on Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:54:32 -0400 as excerpted:
> > Hijacking a thread here, but it sure needs help.  When okular is set
> > to auto-scale, it sends to a US letter printer about 9" wide, so the
> > right hand inch is missing. Whomever decided it should be FF's
> > default pdf reader needs a very close examination of their thinker. 
> > Adobe reader Just Works(TM).
> 
> But adobe's reader is not freedomware, so some distributions and/or
> users will choose not to use it.  I couldn't legally install it here,
> for instance, since I can't agree to EULAs, etc, which means I don't
> have permission from the copyright holder to install and use the
> software, making it illegal for me to do so.
> 
> Making servantware the default on an otherwise freedomware distribution
> therefore makes no sense either.
> 
> (Legality:  Among other things, most software including freedomware
> waives the authors responsibility for damages, etc.  If it's
> freedomware, OK, the source code is there for me to examine or if I
> don't read source, to have someone that I trust that can read source
> examine, so I can fairly judge whether I want to take on that
> responsibility or not.  If it's closed source, it's black-box, so I
> can't fairly judge functionality and whether I want to take on the
> responsibility for damages, etc, and thus I cannot agree to take them
> on.  Again, that generally means the copyright holder doesn't give me
> permission to run the program, since I refuse to waive his
> responsibility for damages since I can't fairly judge whether that's a
> reasonable request or not because I can't read the sources in ordered
> to make that judgement.  Since I don't have such permission from the
> copyright holder, US law says I don't have permission period, again
> making it illegal for me to do so.  Of course the fact that the
> author/copyright holder of said black-box software has already
> disregarded the four software freedoms, his motives are already
> suspect, so that gives me all the MORE reason not to simply assume he
> has my interests at heart and take responsibility for something I'm
> unable to fairly examine before I'm asked to take that responsibilty!)

All pretty much true Duncan.  What I was pointing out was that even xpdf in 
its final versions did a much better job than okular.  So did ghostscript 
back about version 5.2, before the pdf interpreter was removed.  I built 
and used that puppy on an amiga 15 years ago.

I guess my point is that when jumping ship for "religious/legal" reasons, 
the ship we jump to should be at least as functional as the one we are 
diving off of.  Here, I'm just me, and while I'd druther have the FOSS 
version, I haven't committed a mortal sin if I use what works.

Cheers, gene
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[kde] Re: Okular does not print

[gene heskett]

On Saturday, July 16, 2011 04:51:00 PM John Layt did opine:

> On Saturday 09 July 2011 10:24:59 BasaBuru wrote:
> > hello:
> > 
> > I don't now why the okular does not print.
> > 
> > When put for print okular not send anything to the printer.
> 
> I assume you are printing a PDF file, and that printing from other
> programs does work?  Okular cheats with PDF's, calling the lpr command
> to print, which sometimes causes issues.  On Debian make sure you have
> the cups-lpr package (name may be slightly different) installed for
> best results.
> 
> If you run Okular from the command line then try printing, you should
> see the output from the lpr command and any error messages. 
> Copy-and-paste the command oud output here and I'll try figure outwhat
> is wrong.
 
Hijacking a thread here, but it sure needs help.  When okular is set to 
auto-scale, it sends to a US letter printer about 9" wide, so the right 
hand inch is missing. Whomever decided it should be FF's default pdf reader 
needs a very close examination of their thinker.  Adobe reader Just 
Works(TM).

> Cheers!
> 
> John.
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[kde] Re: lost Desktop

[gene heskett]

On Friday, July 15, 2011 09:43:31 AM Anne Wilson did opine:

> On Friday 15 Jul 2011 00:37:58 Alex Schuster wrote:
> > dict.leo.org suggests [screw] wrench or spanner. Or 'monkey wrench'
> > for 'englischer Schraubenschl�ssel'. Ah, 'der Engl�nder'! An
> > adjustable wrench. Oh, and there even is 'crescent wrench' for 'Swiss
> > spanner'.
> 
> I love these essays into language comparisons :-)  Although all English
> recognise the word "wrench", "spanner" is the more commonly used here.
> OTOH, "monkey wrench" I associate with heavy-duty contexts, such as
> motor- engineering.  Then there's that thing that I know of as an
> "adjustable spanner" - apparently the English spanner to you LOL
> 
> Anne

Chuckle.  That adjustable spanner, is a "Crescent Wrench" here in the US, 
because the Crescent people owned the long since expired patent, and it has 
been the generic term for such a tool for at least 70 years that I know of.

Similarly, the "monkey wrench" we use here, represents a wrench/spanner 
that was also adjustable by a similar means, but the forces against the 
adjuster were essentially direct, where the 'Crescent' version used jaw 
motion wedging friction to aid the adjuster in holding position much 
better.  The end result is that I can buy generic crescent wrenches almost 
anyplace, but a genuine monkey wrench will likely be sold at an estate 
auction as its likely both in excess of 100 years old, and worth 25x what 
it cost new just as an antique.  They are also commonly called knuckle 
busters on this side of the pond, because they were very good at it.

Trivia, never played the game myself. ;-)

Cheers, gene
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[kde] Re: after upgrade 4.6.4 -> 4.6.5 konqueror unusable

[gene heskett]

On Thursday, July 07, 2011 12:31:37 PM phanisvara das did opine:

> on openSUSE 11.4 my mirrors just took me from KDE 4.6.4 to 4.6.5, after
> which opening konqueror, as well as chaning directories, takes one
> minute or more. during this time (h)top shows increased activity of
> akonadiserver, even after disabling strigi & nepomuk in
> 'systemsettings.'
> 
> i'm not sure if this is KDE- or openSUSE related and would like to know
> if others experience the same...

PCLos took me up to kde-4.6.5 this morning also, no reboot needed, and the 
system is running 100% normally so far.

I have 3 instant problems:

1. a reboot always takes a hardware reset button tap, it hangs immediately 
after turning off swaps.  True since about the 2.6.28 kernel era.  
Currently running 2.6.38.8-pae-bfs (32 bit flavor on a quad core phenom 
9550) which gives a better feeling desktop by far than the default cfs 
scheduler does.

2. The current Xilinx kit (a 4Gb tarball download) for Spartan based FPGA 
boards won't install, missing library that PCLos doesn't have or need. :(

3. Ditto for the Alteras DE1 software kit, different dependency that is 
also not solvable with synaptic.  But its only a 20.3 meg script dl. ;-)

Cheers, gene
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[kde] Re: How KTorrent commanded to download a file sequentially

[gene heskett]

On Sunday, May 22, 2011 06:46:50 AM giovanni_re did opine:

> A)  How can KTorrent be commanded to download a file sequentially
> (without gaps), rather than pieces distributed randomly throughout the
> file?

That is how he torrent protocol works.  You are asking for an ftp style 
pull.  Torrents are generally pre-allocated on disk which reduces file 
fragmentation.  One thing I always do is when the gui says 100%, I stop it 
from the menu stop, verify that there are no processes left, and restart 
it, which causes the engine to recheck the download and fix any errors.

> B)  How can KT be told:
> 1) at first, only download on torrent1 until it is completely dl'd.
> 2) then, switch to dl'ing 5 torrents simultaneously

That I can't answer.  I do know there is some scripting ability, but its 
defaults have always Just Worked(TM) for me.  Some of its earlier gui's 
were a disaster, but the torrent engine worked fine.

[...]

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[kde] Re: How to set up the screen saver to activate when the mouse is at a corner?

[gene heskett]

On Sunday, May 15, 2011 03:34:52 PM Peter Nikolic did opine:

> On Sunday 15 May 2011 20:08:32 gene heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 15, 2011 03:06:21 PM Peter Nikolic did opine:
> > > On Sunday 15 May 2011 19:42:42 gene heskett wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 15, 2011 02:20:50 PM Marcelo Magno T. Sales did 
opine:
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > 
> > > > > There was an option in the screen saver configuration screen to
> > > > > activate the screen saver when the mouse was moved to a corner
> > > > > of the screen. When I updated from KDE 4.5.x to 4.6.x
> > > > > (Kubuntu), the screen saver stopped been activated when I place
> > > > > the mouse on the corner I had selected for that. This was
> > > > > working ok in 4.5.x. I see that the option to set this up does
> > > > > not exist in the screen saver configuration screen anymore.
> > > > > I noticed that, in System Settings, there is an applet named
> > > > > "Workspace behavior" (or something like that, I'm translating
> > > > > from brazilian portuguese), which has a "Screen corners" tab.
> > > > > There I can configure some actions to be started when the mouse
> > > > > is placed at a chosen corner, but activating the screen saver
> > > > > is not on the list of possible actions. Is there a way in KDE
> > > > > 4.6.x to set up the screen saver to be activated when the mouse
> > > > > is placed at one of the screen corners?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Marcelo
> > > > 
> > > > Marcelo, I have no clue, and despite asking here and there, no has
> > > > told me yet why x/kde turns off the DPMS & such when it starts,
> > > > leaving you only with the power wasting screen decorators.
> > > 
> > > I wish it would i get sick of typing "xset -dpms  after ever single
> > > update
> > 
> > Huh?  Did I use a double negative somewhere Pete? "xset -dpms" turns
> > it off, leaving you with the scene I described and detest.
> > 
> > See man xset.
> 
> Hi ..
> 
> I think it is an opensuse 11.3 issue or an issue with the update system 
> i will crack it one day   not tried 11.4 on here yet it may well be
> fixed in that .. any how i wont hijack th thread any more get me nutts
> chewed .. :-) ..
> 
> Pete .

Wasn't trying to Pete, just trying to clarify that it wasn't a typu.  ;-)

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