Re: [kde] Cursing on Planet KDE

2012-08-12 Thread John Layt
On 12 Aug 2012 06:32, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:

 Where are the guidelines for proper behaviour for blogs in Planet KDE?
 I would like to review them to see how they handle off-topic and
 vulgar posts. I don't see a link to any guidelines or code of conduct
 from the http://planetkde.org/ website.

 Thanks.

 --
 Dotan Cohen

If you click on the Add your blog link at the top of the Planet home page
then you get the policy guidelines and a link to the Code of Conduct. If
there is a particular blog you have an issue with then please be as polite
as possible if you choose to contact the author, a gentle reminder of the
rules and reasons why always works better than outrage and confrontation.
Alternatively it may be better to contact the Community Working Group and
have them deal with the issue, they have more experience in such things,
but it may also be seen as an unnecessary escalation if it is a very minor
issue.

John.
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Re: [kde] Cursing on Planet KDE

2012-08-12 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org wrote:
 http://www.kde.org/code-of-conduct/

 Cheers,
 Kevin

Thanks. Have a great week.

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Re: [kde] Cursing on Planet KDE

2012-08-12 Thread Duncan
Dotan Cohen posted on Sun, 12 Aug 2012 08:31:38 +0300 as excerpted:

 Where are the guidelines for proper behaviour for blogs in Planet KDE? I
 would like to review them to see how they handle off-topic and vulgar
 posts. I don't see a link to any guidelines or code of conduct from the
 http://planetkde.org/ website.

[It's worth noting here that I have no knowledge of any kde specific 
planet policy.  The below is simply written to the general case, with kde, 
where specifically mentioned, only used as the example at hand.  If I 
were responding on a gentoo list (given I'm a gentooer), I'd have gentoo 
instead of kde in all those spots, as I know they have a planet too, as 
I'm subscribed to its feed!)

It's worth noting that planets are, by definition[1] simply aggregators 
and relinkers/republishers of various entries published on members' 
personal blogs.  I believe the usual mechanism is that the aggregator is 
pointed at individual blog-feeds, where it matches against tags of 
choice.  Thus planetkde would of course match any posts tagged kde, on 
members' blogs.

Members can thus publish whatever they want on their blogs, since it's 
normally their blog, not (normally[2]) the blog of whatever planet may 
happen to be aggregating it as well.  It's only via the choice of tag-as-
kde-or-not that the choice of whether it appears on kdeplanet or not is 
made.


Once that is understood, it can also be understood why planet policy in 
practice tends toward the tolerant, since it's often hard enough to get 
people (at least many devs, who after all are likely to reason that they 
could be working on the software in question instead of blogging about 
it) regularly blogging and thus providing content in the first place, so 
in practice, a policy recommending applying the tag if in doubt is 
likely to be the case.

Additionally, I think some blogs automate the tagging, at least within a 
given set of keywords, so if for instance kde appears anywhere in the 
post, it'll get auto-tagged kde, and thus appear on the planet.


So off-topic posts appearing on a planet (kde's or not) is actually 
quite likely, especially if the policy encourages sharing one's interests 
as well, as many communities do in ordered to facilitate humanizing 
people who after all very possibly only known in cyberspace, at least 
for the first couple years, until they get active enough to start going 
to various sprints or at LEAST kde release parties (like the ones 
recently held for 4.9).


Offensive (as opposed to simply off topic) posts are of course 
different.  Of course it's possible to find people that will find 
anything at all offensive, but you believe that it really is offensive in 
general (racially, sexually, threatening content, etc), I'd suggest 
bringing it to the attention of the appropriate kde community relations 
folks, who can either deal with it from there or direct you appropriately.

Meanwhile, hopefully Kevin or Linda or Anne or someone else from kde will 
respond with a pointer to kde-specific policies, etc.  I could probably 
go look on the site and find either a policy or a contact to email, but 
I'd have to look, and you're a regular so I guess should be as generally 
able to find it as I can.  If it were me and it were urgent, I'd probably 
mail one or more of them privately.  Kevin and Anne's addresses should 
both be available on-list, and Linda's would be on the KDE site I guess.  
She's the one that I've seen acting on KDE's behalf to defuse various 
conflict situations before, so if it's serious, that's who I'd be looking 
up, here.  If it's more curiosity than anything, I'd wait and see if 
Kevin replies, as he's the kde guy I've seen around these lists the most.


footnotes:

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_(software)

[2] An organization hosting a planet does often additionally provide 
hosting for members that don't have their own, and CoC or other policies 
may apply there, but those policies may or may not directly correspond to 
the ones applied to the planet in general.  From the planet perspective, 
where the content to be aggregated is actually source-hosted is simply an 
arbitrary technical detail.

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and if you use the program, he is your master.  Richard Stallman

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Re: [kde] Cursing on Planet KDE

2012-08-12 Thread Anne Wilson
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On 12/08/12 17:47, Dotan Cohen wrote:
 Upon further inspection, it appears that the offending blog was
 not associated with PlanetKDE but rather was being put into the
 same folder by my feed reader. I apologise for the noise.
 
Glad it wasn't our offence :-) - all the same, if you see anything on
any KDE site that you think is questionable, in any reasonable sense,
don't be afraid to bring it to our attention.  As Duncan hinted, the
Community Working Group email address is community...@kde.org, and
someone from the CWG could pick this up and have a quiet word with
whoever is involved.  Alternatively, contact me off-list and I'll see
that the word gets to whoever can deal with the matter.  Lydia is
super-busy at the moment, but there will always be someone available
to deal with such things.

Even if we are talking of an aggregated blog, it's possible for us to
contact the blogger and point out where the line of acceptability
exists :-)

Anne
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Re: [kde] Cursing on Planet KDE

2012-08-12 Thread Duncan
Dotan Cohen posted on Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:05:21 +0300 as excerpted:

 I figure this was like when the cat brings you a dead rodent. We hate it
 when that happens, but we know that it is only because the cat loves us
 enough to feed us. I suppose that my feedreader loves me, and was
 bringing me a dead rodent.

Thanks.  I needed the laugh!  Offensive post... Dead rodent!  Indeed! 

Going on, still chuckling, but I DID really need that laugh, so thanks 
again!

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[kde] Cursing on Planet KDE

2012-08-11 Thread Dotan Cohen
Where are the guidelines for proper behaviour for blogs in Planet KDE?
I would like to review them to see how they handle off-topic and
vulgar posts. I don't see a link to any guidelines or code of conduct
from the http://planetkde.org/ website.

Thanks.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://gibberish.co.il
http://what-is-what.com
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