Re: [kde] KDE 4.7 System Requirements
On 09/01/12 13:18, James Tyrer wrote: Yes, the amount of RAM is the issue. Probably it isn't anything to do with KDE, but it will run quite slowly if it is using virtual memory. If you can afford 4 GBytes, that is what I recommend. Having more RAM appears to be more important than a faster processor. But before you buy more RAM, check the motherboard specs - many older ones could only take 1GB or 2 GB. Whatever you find, I agree with James - buy the maximum that it will take. Anne -- Need KDE help? Try http://userbase.kde.org or Http://forum.kde.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE 4.7 System Requirements
On 01/07/2012 10:28 AM, Martin (KDE) wrote: Am Samstag, 7. Januar 2012, 16:35:39 schrieb _: Hi Everybody, I'm considering installing the KDE 4.7.4 version on my FreeBSD 8.2 system, and I'd like to ask the community about the system requirements to make it run: The base information for my system looks like this: Intel P4 1.8 Ghz CPU 512 MB of RAM Intel Onboard Graphics Chip It will depend on which Intel chip you have. The early ones suck while the current ones are OK. It also matters if your motherboard supports interleaved memory (you need 4 memory cards for it to work) which will minimize the contention for memory between the processor and the GPU in North Bridge chip. Can anybody on this list give me any pointers as to the performance of KDE under the above hardware setup? Get more RAM. :-D Moreover, how much diskspace will KDE take? My installation used 882.4 MiB. I had it running with a similar hardware - 1.8 GHz Celeron - onboard AMD x200 Graphic - 512MB Ram (but later 1GB ram) It was incredible slow (compared to my core i3) but it was usable. I think the core problem may be ram. IF you can increase the ram up to 1GB it will be much better. Yes, the amount of RAM is the issue. Probably it isn't anything to do with KDE, but it will run quite slowly if it is using virtual memory. If you can afford 4 GBytes, that is what I recommend. Having more RAM appears to be more important than a faster processor. More than a year ago my main computer was a P4 2.4Ghz wit 2GB of ram and it was quite good. -- James Tyrer Linux (mostly) From Scratch ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] KDE 4.7 System Requirements
Hi Everybody, I'm considering installing the KDE 4.7.4 version on my FreeBSD 8.2 system, and I'd like to ask the community about the system requirements to make it run: The base information for my system looks like this: Intel P4 1.8 Ghz CPU 512 MB of RAM Intel Onboard Graphics Chip Can anybody on this list give me any pointers as to the performance of KDE under the above hardware setup? Moreover, how much diskspace will KDE take? Many Thanks ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE 4.7 System Requirements
Am Samstag, 7. Januar 2012, 16:35:39 schrieb _: Hi Everybody, I'm considering installing the KDE 4.7.4 version on my FreeBSD 8.2 system, and I'd like to ask the community about the system requirements to make it run: The base information for my system looks like this: Intel P4 1.8 Ghz CPU 512 MB of RAM Intel Onboard Graphics Chip Can anybody on this list give me any pointers as to the performance of KDE under the above hardware setup? Moreover, how much diskspace will KDE take? I had it running with a similar hardware - 1.8 GHz Celeron - onboard AMD x200 Graphic - 512MB Ram (but later 1GB ram) It was incredible slow (compared to my core i3) but it was usable. I think the core problem may be ram. IF you can increase the ram up to 1GB it will be much better. More than a year ago my main computer was a P4 2.4Ghz wit 2GB of ram and it was quite good. Martin Many Thanks ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE 4.7 System Requirements
On 07/01/12 17:28, Martin (KDE) wrote: Am Samstag, 7. Januar 2012, 16:35:39 schrieb _: Hi Everybody, I'm considering installing the KDE 4.7.4 version on my FreeBSD 8.2 system, and I'd like to ask the community about the system requirements to make it run: The base information for my system looks like this: Intel P4 1.8 Ghz CPU 512 MB of RAM Intel Onboard Graphics Chip Can anybody on this list give me any pointers as to the performance of KDE under the above hardware setup? Moreover, how much diskspace will KDE take? I had it running with a similar hardware - 1.8 GHz Celeron - onboard AMD x200 Graphic - 512MB Ram (but later 1GB ram) It was incredible slow (compared to my core i3) but it was usable. I think the core problem may be ram. IF you can increase the ram up to 1GB it will be much better. More than a year ago my main computer was a P4 2.4Ghz wit 2GB of ram and it was quite good. It's not going to be fast, whatever you do, but I agree that increasing the RAM is the best bet. If you are prepared to do without some of the bells and whistles, desktop effects, for instance, it should be usable. Without that increase, there's a real chance that it won't even install, and then of course there is the fact that the elderly graphics chip may or may not be recognised immediately - something that usually can be worked around, but is initially a pain. Just my thoughts :-) Anne -- Need KDE help? Try http://userbase.kde.org or Http://forum.kde.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE 4.7 System Requirements
_ posted on Sat, 07 Jan 2012 16:35:39 +0100 as excerpted: I'm considering installing the KDE 4.7.4 version on my FreeBSD 8.2 system, and I'd like to ask the community about the system requirements to make it run: The base information for my system looks like this: Intel P4 1.8 Ghz CPU 512 MB of RAM Intel Onboard Graphics Chip Can anybody on this list give me any pointers as to the performance of KDE under the above hardware setup? Moreover, how much diskspace will KDE take? Nobody else has mentioned the FBSD angle. I know kde still runs on FBSD, but don't know much else about that angle either except that as I'm following a couple xorg lists as well, I know that for newer systems at least, some of the graphics accel stuff works best with KMS, kernel modesetting, which is AFAIK Linux-only at this point. So it may be that the older graphics isn't such a problem in this regard after all, since you'd have other problems with newer graphics. Meanwhile, I'm running kde on my gen-1.5 Acer Aspire One A150L netbook, still the old 1.6 GHz single-core with hyper-threading n270 Intel Atom, with the older integrated Intel graphics 945GME chip... before all the problems with the newer 500 series that Intel didn't design itself and thus couldn't provide proper specs for. I do have the 120 gig disk version, so disk space isn't the problem it'd be on the 8-gig or whatever solid-state devices. My netbook came with half a gig RAM soldered on and a single memory expansion slot that could take a half-gig or 1-gig stick. I filled it with a 1-gig, giving me 1.5 gig total. I run gentoo, so build my software from sources customized for the CPU, tho I do NOT do the building on that machine but rather on a 32-bit chroot on my main 4-core Opteron machine (itself nearing a decade old but high end for its age and with the CPUs upgraded as far as they'll go, dual dual-core Opteron 290s, 2.8 GHz, running gentoo/~amd64 with 6 gigs RAM and 4 SATA-150 disks in kernel-md/RAID, RAID-1 for most of the system with some RAID-0 as well). I don't keep the netbook updated like I do my workstation, however, and AFAIK it's still running kde 4.5.5. But, I CAN say that at least with packages built for that CPU and with the 1.5 gig memory I have in the machine, the netbook runs KDE quite well, including graphics effects. It probably helps that the display is only 1024x600, not even a megapixel, however. I expect it'd not do quite as well trying to drive the dual full 1080p HD monitors, 4.15 megapixels total, that I have on my workstation. You don't mention the specific graphics you're running, but as you can see, except for the 1.5 gigs RAM I have vs. your half gig, the systems are at least somewhat comparable. I do run Linux on mine and KMS, and the display I'm driving is small, but as I said, it runs impressively well, including effects so I can impress people using the cube to switch virtual desktops, etc. So I think you'll do reasonably well with what you have, tho as others I'd recommend upping the memory to a gig anyway, if you can. If you do run into issues with OpenGL effects, etc, unlike gnome3 (tho I understand they're changing it), you can turn off kde4's graphic effects and still run the same basic kde desktop as you'd have otherwise, just without the fancy graphic effects. But as I said, the graphic effects run just fine on mine, and I expect they'd run on yours too, on Linux. I honestly don't know enough about the BSDs to say whether you'll get good effects on them without the KMS or not, but even if you don't, you can turn that off and still run a very reasonable kde4. Given your memory and perhaps disk constraints, tho, if you're building it yourself and thus can, or if you have the choice of packages built without it, I'd DEFINITELY suggest turning off the semantic-desktop stuff. Don't install kdepim or akonadi at all; which means using something other than kmail (I use claws-mail), akregator (again, claws- mail, with the rssyl feeds plugin), korganizer (I don't need an organizer/ scheduler here) and knode (I use pan as my news client). Build without nepomuk, soprano, raptor, rasqual, virtuoso, etc. Those are all part of the semantic-desktop stuff which will use a lot of memory and slow your system down. Even on my workstation, getting rid of semantic-desktop was like adding a couple more cores or half a gigahertz clockspeed, so it's definitely worth it on a far slower machine with less than a gig of RAM. Strigi is a non-optional component as best I can see (kdelibs links to it), but you don't have to build any backends for it. Disk space? I can't really say how much kde takes up, but I can say what my system uses all together. I only have kde installed as a desktop environment, not gnome, but do run some gtk2 apps (as mentioned, claws- mail and pan, plus firefox of course), and as Gentoo splits up the big monolithic module tarballs that
Re: [kde] KDE 4.7 System Requirements
Looks like upgrading my RAM would be the most reasonable thing to do. However, from what you all have said, I think that I will not fiddle around with any of the 4.x versions of KDE - at least not on that system. The last one that I had running was 3.5 which worked fine for my needs, and I will most likely revert to it. I can not give you any specifics about my graphics card right here as I am writing this post from another machine. The reason why I mentioned the diskspace was simply because I do not have a whole lot of it at my disposal. My computer is sharing two operating systems, one of which happens to be FreeBSD. I allocated 12 GB out of my total of 28 GB to FreeBSD which is more that enough for the operating system itself. But considering that Xorg in its entirety consumes about 4 GB already, adding another 2 or so GB for KDE would leave me relatively little room for other things. Thanks again for your opinions On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Chuck Burns brea...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/07/12 16:15, Duncan wrote: _ posted on Sat, 07 Jan 2012 16:35:39 +0100 as excerpted: I'm considering installing the KDE 4.7.4 version on my FreeBSD 8.2 system, and I'd like to ask the community about the system requirements to make it run: The base information for my system looks like this: Intel P4 1.8 Ghz CPU 512 MB of RAM Intel Onboard Graphics Chip Can anybody on this list give me any pointers as to the performance of KDE under the above hardware setup? Moreover, how much diskspace will KDE take? Nobody else has mentioned the FBSD angle. I know kde still runs on FBSD, but don't know much else about that angle either except that as I'm following a couple xorg lists as well, I know that for newer systems at least, some of the graphics accel stuff works best with KMS, kernel modesetting, which is AFAIK Linux-only at this point. So it may be that the older graphics isn't such a problem in this regard after all, since you'd have other problems with newer graphics. KMS only Sorry, but no. Nvidia supports FreeBSD. If you have an nvidia card, you can easily have these graphics and full 3d acceleration. I run KDE 4.7.3, on FreeBSD 9-stable, but I wouldn't dare do it with a measly half a gig of ram. My box has 8G of ram. But with an Intel gpu, you're not likely to have much luck with any effects, unless you want to use the EXTREMELY experimental intel-only KMS stuff that is being worked on. Here: http://wiki.freebsd.org/Intel_**GPUhttp://wiki.freebsd.org/Intel_GPU But the ram is a limiting factor. Provided you do not enable nepomuk, you -might- fare well.. but I still wouldn't want be to using that machine... -- Chuck Burns The Southern Libertarian http://www.**thesouthernlibertarian.com/http://www.thesouthernlibertarian.com/ __**_ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/**listinfo/kdehttps://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde . Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE 4.7 System Requirements
_ posted on Sun, 08 Jan 2012 01:02:02 +0100 as excerpted: I allocated 12 GB out of my total of 28 GB to FreeBSD which is more that enough for the operating system itself. But considering that Xorg in its entirety consumes about 4 GB already, adding another 2 or so GB for KDE would leave me relatively little room for other things. 4 gig for xorg? As I said, my entire system installation, including the base system, xorg, AND kde, only runs 3.1 gig (of a 4.8 gig system partition, FWIW on a 5 gig md/RAID-1 with the other quarter-gig being my local admin scripts, etc, on /usr/local). So either you or FBSD has a rather fat xorg, if it's taking well more than my entire system installation including kde. But yeah, if you're split down to 12 gigs allocated for FBSD including user data (/home), that does impose a rather tight limit on what you install, and I can see deciding to go with an older kde3 especially on your older/slower/smaller hardware, over kde4. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
