Re: [kde] Konsole fonts: just a jump o the left
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 17:41, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > I see I asked you to do something but expected you to read my mind as to > where! =:^\ > > Try kde settings, fonts (under common appearance and ..., app appearance). > > Towards the bottom of that you should see the anti-aliasing and DPI > controls I was talking about, and my instructions should make more sense > than when you're looking at konsole's profile settings! =:^) > > Yes, that'll affect fonts system-wide, but you can do it only > temporarily, for testing. > > The reason I mention this is that I had to adjust it here, a year or so > ago, as the interaction between accelerated video and font aliasing > changed after an update, and pieces of letters ended up missing! It > could be you are seeing a variant on the same thing, and changing > aliasing/hinting might help as it did for me. > > The kind of font (true-type, bitmapped, etc) would affect it too, as the > way these operations work on the various font types differs. > > FWIW, I have anti-aliasing enabled, medium hinting, no sub-pixel, now, > but AFAIK I had to turn off at least hinting entirely, and possibly > aliasing, for a graphics driver version or two. It was driving me crazy > until I figured out that turning off hinting fixed it. > I am actually surprised that you managed to figure out the issue on the system you mention. That does sound crazy. However, unfortunately, changing the antialiasing from enabled to disabled and back to system did not help. Neither did forcing a specific font DPI. I actually did try that when you mentioned it, in System Settings as well as in Konsole. In any case I'm now using the DejaVu Sans font, which is not affected and looks decent. Thanks, Duncan! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Konsole fonts: just a jump o the left
Dotan Cohen posted on Tue, 22 Nov 2011 12:00:54 +0200 as excerpted: > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 15:08, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: >> Also, try temporarily disabling font anti-aliasing and hinting, and see >> if that helps. If it does, you could turn it back on and try playing >> with the detailed config. And while you're there, you might as well >> try toggling DPI forcing too, between disabled, 96, and 120, tho I >> don't expect dpi to make a difference other than in the size they show >> up, but then, this is a strange bug, so... > Disabling the "Smooth fonts" and "Draw intense colours in bold font" > options did not help. I made all changes in the Profile Configuration > menu of Konsole. I see I asked you to do something but expected you to read my mind as to where! =:^\ Try kde settings, fonts (under common appearance and ..., app appearance). Towards the bottom of that you should see the anti-aliasing and DPI controls I was talking about, and my instructions should make more sense than when you're looking at konsole's profile settings! =:^) Yes, that'll affect fonts system-wide, but you can do it only temporarily, for testing. The reason I mention this is that I had to adjust it here, a year or so ago, as the interaction between accelerated video and font aliasing changed after an update, and pieces of letters ended up missing! It could be you are seeing a variant on the same thing, and changing aliasing/hinting might help as it did for me. The kind of font (true-type, bitmapped, etc) would affect it too, as the way these operations work on the various font types differs. FWIW, I have anti-aliasing enabled, medium hinting, no sub-pixel, now, but AFAIK I had to turn off at least hinting entirely, and possibly aliasing, for a graphics driver version or two. It was driving me crazy until I figured out that turning off hinting fixed it. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Konsole fonts: just a jump o the left
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 18:18, Felix Miata wrote: > This is what sometimes happen when I don't get enough sleep, a recurring > problem for me. I see Duncan and Dotan in a thread and don't realize I'm > seeing two different people until after more sleep or a post like yours. :-( > That is fine, I call both my daughters by each others' names even when I'm not tired! That's what I get for naming them both names that start with M and have related meanings! > I spend the most time by far in eCS & openSUSE, but ATM I'm updating a > Mandriva 2011 to follow up on https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=58615 > and your previous thread post. That box also has Kubuntu, so I can try the > same if mine can be found to match Dotan's release version. > Considering that we've seen this on three different Linux distros, should we not file this at BKO? I am not sure what information to report, though, other than screenshots. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Konsole fonts: just a jump o the left
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 15:08, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > That's... strange. > > Could you per chance check to see if the font type is at fault? IOW, see > if if all the bad (or all the good) ones are truetype, or PS type-1, or > PS type-2, or bitmapped fonts only, or... Of course, that entails > rooting around in your font dirs and mapping the fonts in the list to the > actual files, but it could help pin down the problem. > > Also, try temporarily disabling font anti-aliasing and hinting, and see > if that helps. If it does, you could turn it back on and try playing > with the detailed config. And while you're there, you might as well try > toggling DPI forcing too, between disabled, 96, and 120, tho I don't > expect dpi to make a difference other than in the size they show up, but > then, this is a strange bug, so... > > FWIW, these font controls can be found in kde settings, common appearance > and behavior, application appearance, fonts, at the bottom. These > settings often apply to newly started apps only and particularly with > this bug, perhaps only with an X restart, so the best way to check would > be to change the setting and then logout of kde and restart X, just to be > sure. At 14 px, these are the affected fonts: Andale Mono MT Std Courier 10 Pitch Droid Sans Mono TlwgMono Tlwg Typo Ubuntu Mono Not affected: Monospace Andale Mono Andale Mono IPA Courier New DejaVu Sans Mono FreeMono Liberation Mono Disabling the "Smooth fonts" and "Draw intense colours in bold font" options did not help. I made all changes in the Profile Configuration menu of Konsole. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Konsole fonts: just a jump o the left
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 14:43, Felix Miata wrote: > Turns out the bug I had in mind isn't yet closed: > https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=58615 > > I forgot about this one: https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=57564 > > Do you ever test in anything besides Gentoo? Actually, this is on Kubuntu. > Are you sure you don't have a > fontconfig problem? How could I be sure? The issue only affects Konsole and that is after I played with Konsole's font configuration. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Konsole fonts: just a jump o the left
Felix Miata posted on Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:18:18 -0500 as excerpted: > This is what sometimes happen when I don't get enough sleep, a recurring > problem for me. I see Duncan and Dotan in a thread and don't realize I'm > seeing two different people until after more sleep or a post like yours. > :-( I don't know if I've seen that symptom, but I've seen others. The most dangerous one, that I've learned to recognize now, and force myself to more sleep when I see it happening, is "the paranoids", where it illogically seems just ordinary events are suddenly conspiring against you. I don't even drink let alone do illegal drugs, but I've known meth heads, and have decided that the paranoia side effect meth is famous for is very likely due simply to the extreme lack of sleep, not a direct side effect on its own. The most amusing/frustrating effect is when it's impossible to tell when an event actually happened or whether it was a dream. I've had a couple times when I caught myself treating what was evidently a dream as fact... until some other fact seriously conflicted and I had to logically reconstruct reality and decide the other one must have been a dream. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Konsole fonts: just a jump o the left
On 2011/11/17 15:27 (GMT) Duncan composed: Felix Miata posted on Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:43:18 -0500 as excerpted: Do you ever test in anything besides Gentoo? Are you sure you don't have a fontconfig problem? Dotan doesn't use Gentoo. AFAIK (from a different thread) he uses kubuntu. I'm a gentooer, as are Dale and Alex/Wonko, but not Dotan. This is what sometimes happen when I don't get enough sleep, a recurring problem for me. I see Duncan and Dotan in a thread and don't realize I'm seeing two different people until after more sleep or a post like yours. :-( I spend the most time by far in eCS & openSUSE, but ATM I'm updating a Mandriva 2011 to follow up on https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=58615 and your previous thread post. That box also has Kubuntu, so I can try the same if mine can be found to match Dotan's release version. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Konsole fonts: just a jump o the left
Felix Miata posted on Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:43:18 -0500 as excerpted: > On 2011/11/17 13:16 (GMT+0200) Dotan Cohen composed: > >> Felix Miata wrote: > >>> Long time ago. Don't remember whether bug filed in a distro or in >>> KDE, but got fixed. I looked and couldn't find it. Did you try a >>> different font family with similar result, like Droid Sans Mono or >>> DejaVu Sans Mono? > >> Most of the fonts do suffer this, and all the legible ones. There do >> exits fonts (FreeMono for instance) which do not suffer. > > Turns out the bug I had in mind isn't yet closed: > https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=58615 > > I forgot about this one: https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=57564 > > Do you ever test in anything besides Gentoo? Are you sure you don't have > a fontconfig problem? Dotan doesn't use Gentoo. AFAIK (from a different thread) he uses kubuntu. I'm a gentooer, as are Dale and Alex/Wonko, but not Dotan. But it could indeed be a fontconfig issue of some sort. That's why I asked about font type and aliasing and hinting, in my response. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Konsole fonts: just a jump o the left
Dotan Cohen posted on Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:16:57 +0200 as excerpted: > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:28, Felix Miata > wrote: >> Long time ago. Don't remember whether bug filed in a distro or in KDE, >> but got fixed. I looked and couldn't find it. Did you try a different >> font family with similar result, like Droid Sans Mono or DejaVu Sans >> Mono? >> >> > Most of the fonts do suffer this, and all the legible ones. There do > exits fonts (FreeMono for instance) which do not suffer. That's... strange. Could you per chance check to see if the font type is at fault? IOW, see if if all the bad (or all the good) ones are truetype, or PS type-1, or PS type-2, or bitmapped fonts only, or... Of course, that entails rooting around in your font dirs and mapping the fonts in the list to the actual files, but it could help pin down the problem. Also, try temporarily disabling font anti-aliasing and hinting, and see if that helps. If it does, you could turn it back on and try playing with the detailed config. And while you're there, you might as well try toggling DPI forcing too, between disabled, 96, and 120, tho I don't expect dpi to make a difference other than in the size they show up, but then, this is a strange bug, so... FWIW, these font controls can be found in kde settings, common appearance and behavior, application appearance, fonts, at the bottom. These settings often apply to newly started apps only and particularly with this bug, perhaps only with an X restart, so the best way to check would be to change the setting and then logout of kde and restart X, just to be sure. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Konsole fonts: just a jump o the left
On 2011/11/17 13:16 (GMT+0200) Dotan Cohen composed: Felix Miata wrote: Long time ago. Don't remember whether bug filed in a distro or in KDE, but got fixed. I looked and couldn't find it. Did you try a different font family with similar result, like Droid Sans Mono or DejaVu Sans Mono? Most of the fonts do suffer this, and all the legible ones. There do exits fonts (FreeMono for instance) which do not suffer. Turns out the bug I had in mind isn't yet closed: https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=58615 I forgot about this one: https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=57564 Do you ever test in anything besides Gentoo? Are you sure you don't have a fontconfig problem? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Konsole fonts: just a jump o the left
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:28, Felix Miata wrote: > Long time ago. Don't remember whether bug filed in a distro or in KDE, but > got fixed. I looked and couldn't find it. Did you try a different font > family with similar result, like Droid Sans Mono or DejaVu Sans Mono? > Most of the fonts do suffer this, and all the legible ones. There do exits fonts (FreeMono for instance) which do not suffer. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Konsole fonts: just a jump o the left
On 2011/11/16 20:40 (GMT+0200) Dotan Cohen composed: I had changed my Konsole font size, and now the cursor is half-covering the preceding letter. Playing with the font size I cannot get the cursor to go back to where it should be. See screen shot (attached). Has anyone else ever encountered this? What must I do? Long time ago. Don't remember whether bug filed in a distro or in KDE, but got fixed. I looked and couldn't find it. Did you try a different font family with similar result, like Droid Sans Mono or DejaVu Sans Mono? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Konsole fonts: just a jump o the left
I had changed my Konsole font size, and now the cursor is half-covering the preceding letter. Playing with the font size I cannot get the cursor to go back to where it should be. See screen shot (attached). Has anyone else ever encountered this? What must I do? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com <>___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
