Re: [kde] Prompted Restore Session
I have it turned off on opensuse 4.6 as the behavior with the number of files on my machine was unacceptable. Not just lockout either. Sort of suggests that the don't use is problematic as well. It can be turned off on 4.10 too but the kmail aspect is left on and changes greyed out. Speed I recently saw a complaint about email import time on the recent releases - fast pass 20min or more was mentioned can't remember. I'm just repeating it. Also the usual mention of bloatware which isn't the problem really. One thing that struck me was using file indexing on windows in comparison. That went out as an option. I had no choice about using windows at work. Enabled on a reasonably recent machine there was no sign of it being in operation. Working on software so there were plenty of files around. I would always copy my entire hard disc into the new machine. When enabled the 1st thing it did was build the index. Took a while but not objectionably long seconds rather than mins. By my nature I can't help wondering how they do it. Say I guessed that thinking about journaling might be a clue. Say the index is there but changes are kept separately and written to the main index as a back ground task with due thought to disk cache sizes and flushing and when it's done etc. One thing for sure there were no signs of it being in operation at all. I would very much doubt that they use the same thing for email as the needs are entirely different. One is only really interested in changes to the directory/file trees so they might even just update the index as things are changed. That way all a user might notice is a very marginal increase in disk write times - highly unlikely especially as they are most likely to be causing the change :-) My suggestion initial thought is probably over the top. Actually it's a bit tongue in the cheek mad. John - On Mon, 15/7/13, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Subject: Re: [kde] Prompted Restore Session To: k...@postbox.kde.org Date: Monday, 15 July, 2013, 23:15 John Woodhouse posted on Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:03:13 -0700 as excerpted: Out of interest some one tested KDE against Gnome in respect to what appears to be a Kernal bug - machine can lock up given disc access. I have had this one KDE 4.6, find myself typing ahead even with properly raided 10k ultra 320 scsi on a true 64bit motherboard. ;-) Might be 15k actually, probably is. Part cured by moving from 4 to 8gb but still happens from time to time. The test found that Gnome suffered far less than KDE, dedicated KDE user as well and still is. Probably because Gnome has less in the way or is just more efficient. This bit might be the nepomuk indexing. In 4.10 and 4.11 that is said to be MUCH faster, with less disturbing whatever else is going on, and it's supposed to be easier to turn off... to the extent that on gentoo, with 4.11 they took away the semantic-desktop USE flag that allowed one to build kde without it, as in theory it can be turned off at runtime now. But, having gone to quite some trouble to remove it from my system, including dumping kmail and anything kdepim related since that required it, I wasn't going to let it back on my system... I'd have rather switched to some other desktop. So I ended up with an automated patch system that applies patches to the gentoo ebuilds as they're updated, to remove that stuff and continue to keep it off my system. Too bad as gentoo in theory is about giving the user such choices, but what do you do when none of the gentoo/kde maintainers are interested in it? Anyway, that's why I'm reporting the semantic-desktop changes in third person, I don't know what the changes are like personally as I won't let semantic-desktop on my system, period. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Prompted Restore Session
Interesting Duncan. One thing that has struck me about the changes is that in real terms all they are doing is presenting folders and icons in a different way. Hardly surprising really as windows is extremely mature and in many ways difficult to really get away from. Now there will be more changes on the same line and virtualisation. I get the impression that the later is led by more than one core in a processor. Also a buzz word at the moment. Not an area I have looked at much as I am more interested in distributed processing and services. Lots of people are although at the moment they wouldn't see it like that - nas's and home servers etc. There is also a lot of interest in low power processors. Much more flexible than more cores. People are even running good home media servers on them alongside a nas. In a way I am reminded of the HP going back to the shed advert. KDE attracted a lot of some times semi enterprise use because it could be configured relatively easily to suite what people might want or have to present to users. Linux etc is still used on a number of large networks and that is essentially it's roots and has been for some time now. Some distro's are driven by people with the desire to offer enterprise wide solutions that do compete with windoze. I feel that away from the server it's gone a bit me too. Maybe kde scripting now works a little bit better than it does on 4.6. Maybe it's still relatively easy to use. I'd guess in many cases it's mainly linux server, samba and windoze pc's now. Windoze have just added NFS to make server migration easier. Also probably doing a lot of work deep down in their code to make the glossy end more suitable for rapid change - bottom end too. Fact is that there is lots of free OS available for windoze now but fortunately there pricing policy and there updates put people off and make them look elsewhere. That mostly applies to home users not enterprises. Ok the idea of what are really multiple desktops that retain what they are doing is a great idea but some aspects of Duncans scenario doesn't ring true to me. As a for instance - laptop owned by the company - plugged into network at work. These days machines like that will have remote support software installed which is also used to check what is on machines from time to time. They are also generally bulk backed up. What's all this junk on here etc. There are also far more machines that are not used at work. These are the people that test the software. The same ones that get irritated by microsoft. Out of interest some one tested KDE against Gnome in respect to what appears to be a Kernal bug - machine can lock up given disc access. I have had this one KDE 4.6, find myself typing ahead even with properly raided 10k ultra 320 scsi on a true 64bit motherboard. ;-) Might be 15k actually, probably is. Part cured by moving from 4 to 8gb but still happens from time to time. The test found that Gnome suffered far less than KDE, dedicated KDE user as well and still is. Probably because Gnome has less in the way or is just more efficient. All leaves me wondering if the basics will ever really get sorted out. :-) Me well I once spent several hours making Gnome more kde like and found I still didn't like it so went back. My 1.6ghz 1gb 32bit Atom netbook runs windows 7. Not too badly either for what it's intended for. Can't stick KDE on that. Others have tried. Gives you an indication where they are at. :-) The damm updates as the battery is near flat and when they choose to do them is driving me up the wall though. The will update in 15min offering a cancel was interesting too - canceled and it still did it as it seems they were important. Dropped what I was typing too. Acrobat updates and leaves a view that is totally unsuitable for a netbook and no way to get rid of it. Still reasons for switching to Linux but no doubt they will wise up at some point. :-) Haven't had a rant for ages. No point really. Bit like the ideas opendesktop org had that didn't get into KDE4. Excellent if some one wants to rejig things themselves. John - On Mon, 15/7/13, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Subject: Re: [kde] Prompted Restore Session To: k...@postbox.kde.org Date: Monday, 15 July, 2013, 12:52 Jerome Yuzyk posted on Sun, 14 Jul 2013 22:08:35 -0600 as excerpted: Is there any plan to make the Restore Sessions function have a dialog to allow what session items to restart after login? Not being a dev I can't answer that question in detail, but... Currently it's all or nothing, so I've turned it off and fashioned my own ways to repopulate my Desktops after a restart. In the case of a crash I don't always remember what I had open. With something like the Restore function used by Konqueror and other browsers, I could use Restore the same way for my KWin (?) sessions. Two answers to think about, one
Re: [kde] Prompted Restore Session
On Monday, July 15, 2013 11:52:18 AM Duncan wrote: Jerome Yuzyk posted on Sun, 14 Jul 2013 22:08:35 -0600 as excerpted: Is there any plan to make the Restore Sessions function have a dialog to allow what session items to restart after login? Not being a dev I can't answer that question in detail, but... Currently it's all or nothing, so I've turned it off and fashioned my own ways to repopulate my Desktops after a restart. In the case of a crash I don't always remember what I had open. With something like the Restore function used by Konqueror and other browsers, I could use Restore the same way for my KWin (?) sessions. Two answers to think about, one dealing with the current situation, one discussing the future based on the kde blogs, etc, I've read. Current: KDE's session management is customizable in a couple different ways. I know about those ways, but they're not what I'm looking for. Perhaps someone here knows where the list of currently-opened items that Restore would use is stored, and maybe I can do something with that. I have a stock set of things that I always open after a restart, that's easy. What is not so easy is what I had open in addition to these items after a restart. My idea is to be able to pick up where I left off after a restart but selectively. Now that I am getting familiar looking into the source for various KDE components, a pointer to which package/source file would get me started. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Prompted Restore Session
John Woodhouse posted on Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:03:13 -0700 as excerpted: Out of interest some one tested KDE against Gnome in respect to what appears to be a Kernal bug - machine can lock up given disc access. I have had this one KDE 4.6, find myself typing ahead even with properly raided 10k ultra 320 scsi on a true 64bit motherboard. ;-) Might be 15k actually, probably is. Part cured by moving from 4 to 8gb but still happens from time to time. The test found that Gnome suffered far less than KDE, dedicated KDE user as well and still is. Probably because Gnome has less in the way or is just more efficient. This bit might be the nepomuk indexing. In 4.10 and 4.11 that is said to be MUCH faster, with less disturbing whatever else is going on, and it's supposed to be easier to turn off... to the extent that on gentoo, with 4.11 they took away the semantic-desktop USE flag that allowed one to build kde without it, as in theory it can be turned off at runtime now. But, having gone to quite some trouble to remove it from my system, including dumping kmail and anything kdepim related since that required it, I wasn't going to let it back on my system... I'd have rather switched to some other desktop. So I ended up with an automated patch system that applies patches to the gentoo ebuilds as they're updated, to remove that stuff and continue to keep it off my system. Too bad as gentoo in theory is about giving the user such choices, but what do you do when none of the gentoo/kde maintainers are interested in it? Anyway, that's why I'm reporting the semantic-desktop changes in third person, I don't know what the changes are like personally as I won't let semantic-desktop on my system, period. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Prompted Restore Session
Jerome Yuzyk posted on Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:17:14 -0600 as excerpted: Perhaps someone here knows where the list of currently-opened items that Restore would use is stored, and maybe I can do something with that. I have a stock set of things that I always open after a restart, that's easy. What is not so easy is what I had open in addition to these items after a restart. My idea is to be able to pick up where I left off after a restart but selectively. Now that I am getting familiar looking into the source for various KDE components, a pointer to which package/source file would get me started. Take a look at ksmserver, and $KDEHOME/share/config/ksmserverrc. At the modular level, ksmserver is part of kde-workspace (at least for the 4.10 and 4.11 series I have available here on gentoo to check). -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Prompted Restore Session
Is there any plan to make the Restore Sessions function have a dialog to allow what session items to restart after login? Currently it's all or nothing, so I've turned it off and fashioned my own ways to repopulate my Desktops after a restart. In the case of a crash I don't always remember what I had open. With something like the Restore function used by Konqueror and other browsers, I could use Restore the same way for my KWin (?) sessions. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
