[kde] Re: Anyone know how to figure out what packages Kaffeine3 really depends on?
Felix Miata posted on Mon, 04 Jul 2011 02:55:12 -0400 as excerpted: > On 2011/07/04 05:41 (GMT) Duncan composed: > >> kaffeine for kde4 (that is, probably 1.1 or 1.2.something, depending on >> how close to upstream they stick for updates between OpenSuSE >> releases), would be FAR less dependencies, presuming you already have >> kde4 installed as I expect you do or you'd be unlikely to be posting >> hereo be so. > >>> Dragonplayer built into what? I never hear of it before. > >>> zypper in dragonplayer wanted to install 36 packages. >> >> Dragonplayer is the media-player that comes with a full kde install. > > You mean a full KDE4 install? Yes. Being a kde list, and kde3 being officially unsupported (except by the trinity project, but that's a separate project that presumably has its own lists), kde4 would be the assumption. > This is one of many multiboot systems in the building, but rebuilt > specifically for use with my TV by minimally installing WinXP, oS 11.4 & > oS 12.1. I started by refurbing a 6 year old Dell compact with 3.0GHz > P4HT, then doing the minimal installs to poke for possible hardware > problems. I still have yet to configure any users, wanting to first make > sure everything that needs to work works. Consequently, I've installed > virtually no software as yet on XP in order to prevent need to first > configure user data on E:. The last system I used for the TV was just a > bit short on video capability for smooth video. That explains... FWIW, MS pushing me off of proprietary OSs with the anti-features added to XP was a turning point for me. And I finally stopped even trying to support MS platforms at all a couple years ago, as it was getting more and more awkward to even try, and I wasn't getting either joy or money from doing so, and had no real interest in doing it for money, due to the lack of joy. If it's a generic problem like IPv4 principles or the like then I can still try to help, otherwise, people simply have to look elsewhere for their MS platform help, and both them and I are happier for it. But you said multi-boot, and there's a bit more possible on the OpenSuSE side. (I guess that's what you mean by oS; initially I thought you were referring to Apple/OSX or some such, until I remembered the context.) > The first obstacle was lack of keyboard & mouse ports. There hasn't been > a decent keyboard built in over two decades that wasn't insanely priced. > I tried installing a PS/2 port PCI card, but it turns out those things > are not real PS/2 ports, that is, they can't get you through a boot > loader menu or into the PC BIOS. I could have told you that was very likely the case, particularly at the BIOS level. Onboard BIOS pretty much supports only the built-in stuff. Some PCI cards have their own BIOS supporting firmware as well, but it's not going to be as common for non-storage I/O cards (USB/ps2/parallel/ serial/firewire), particularly at the low end, as that firmware adds / significant/ development and support costs to what is otherwise a pretty standard throw-a-few-commodity-parts-on-a-board for a couple bucks of hardware cost. There's likely cards out there that will do it, but expect to pay for them... unless you're lucky enough to be able to scavenge them somewhere, but that's unlikely for ps/2 ports, as by the time they became popular, putting them onboard the mainboard was a cheaper solution. > So, I'm stuck for the moment using a > junk keyboard, and thus stifled from making a whole lot of progress. FWIW, you might consider my keyboard junk, but it does sort of fit the "insanely priced" category, tho it's somewhat commodity still, and it anyway works well for me. For anything serious, I really do need an ergonomic keyboard, and I like wireless, so I invested in a Logitech cordless desktop pro. It has lots of extra media and internet buttons (which Linux supports well, tho until they was standardized, the extra key syms/names changed a few times over the years), and came with a wireless mouse that I couldn't use as I needed a trackball, but at least the dual keyboard/mouse receiver works for the Logitech wireless trackball I have as well. Retail at Fry's Electronics was $100 (99.99). It's reasonably large and has good enough "action" for me, but it's a membrane keyboard. I'm on my second after the AC dripped on one and ruined the membrane circuits, and I'd be on my third (I don't know what happened to it, unless it was simply atmospheric moisture over a few years, one day several keys simply didn't work right), but decided a pcboard circuit repair pen at (IIRC) $15 was a smarter option than a new keyboard at $100, and I was right. I retraced the damaged circuits and got the bad keys working again. Not something I'd expect from a $100 keyboard, which for the price should be able to go thru the dishwasher, dry out, and work again, but what can I say? It works for me and is durable enough... as long
[kde] Re: Anyone know how to figure out what packages Kaffeine3 really depends on?
On 2011/07/04 05:41 (GMT) Duncan composed: > kaffeine for kde4 (that is, probably 1.1 or 1.2.something, depending on > how close to upstream they stick for updates between OpenSuSE releases), > would be FAR less dependencies, presuming you already have kde4 installed > as I expect you do or you'd be unlikely to be posting hereo be so. >> Dragonplayer built into what? I never hear of it before. >> zypper in dragonplayer wanted to install 36 packages. > > Dragonplayer is the media-player that comes with a full kde install. You mean a full KDE4 install? This is one of many multiboot systems in the building, but rebuilt specifically for use with my TV by minimally installing WinXP, oS 11.4 & oS 12.1. I started by refurbing a 6 year old Dell compact with 3.0GHz P4HT, then doing the minimal installs to poke for possible hardware problems. I still have yet to configure any users, wanting to first make sure everything that needs to work works. Consequently, I've installed virtually no software as yet on XP in order to prevent need to first configure user data on E:. The last system I used for the TV was just a bit short on video capability for smooth video. The first obstacle was lack of keyboard & mouse ports. There hasn't been a decent keyboard built in over two decades that wasn't insanely priced. I tried installing a PS/2 port PCI card, but it turns out those things are not real PS/2 ports, that is, they can't get you through a boot loader menu or into the PC BIOS. So, I'm stuck for the moment using a junk keyboard, and thus stifled from making a whole lot of progress. Anyway, after the minimal installs, I did Windows updates first to give the hardware some more runtime. Then I set installRecommends=no in zypper.conf, and started adding individual packages I knew I would use. So far this excludes 100% of KDE4, and includes only as much of KDE3 as I know I'll use for a home theater TV. Space so far used on 11.4 / is a mere 2.3G, on 12.1 / 2.0G, WinXP D: (OS/software drive) 2.4G. Now that I've seen SMPlayer play I can see the video hardware (i945G) seems adequate. http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/smplayer/index.php?title=Main_Page doesn't seem to have a pointer to any mailing list. Do you know if there is one? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: Anyone know how to figure out what packages Kaffeine3 really depends on?
On Monday 04 July 2011 02:55:28 Felix Miata wrote: > On openSUSE 11.4 I want Kaffeine to be able to directly play isos made from > DVDs. Is this possible? If so, what does it take? I tried to have YaST2 > install it, but it wants to install kitchen sinks, bathtubs and garages as > well, and I don't want to be constantly updating lebenty bazillion Packman > things never used, nor wasting disk space on them. > > I have win32codecs, libavcodecs, libxine1-codecs, libdvdcss2 & mpeg2demux & > its 3 *boost* deps installed. The fault window is currently complaining > about missing demux, but also saying found input plugin without naming > whatever it is. Hi . Pull Kaffeine off pacman it just works . the navitve version supplied by most distro's seem brain dead some leagal clap trap somewhere i know it get up my nose big time . I use kafeine all the time i also have vlc very poor when put alongside kaffeine Pete -- Powered by openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.34.8-0.2-desktop KDE Development Platform: 4.6.00 (4.6.0) 07:47 up 2 days 10:47, 4 users, load average: 0.17, 0.23, 0.18 ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: Anyone know how to figure out what packages Kaffeine3 really depends on?
Felix Miata posted on Mon, 04 Jul 2011 00:38:10 -0400 as excerpted: > On 2011/07/04 03:15 (GMT) Duncan composed: > >> Felix Miata posted: > >>> On openSUSE 11.4 I want Kaffeine to be able to directly play isos >>> made from DVDs. Is this possible? If so, what does it take? I tried >>> to have YaST2 install it, but it wants to install kitchen sinks, >>> bathtubs and garages as well, FWIW, that metaphor had /me/ laughing, but I certainly know the feeling. (They say that one technique for better security is not to install more than you actually need, as that's less stuff for the bad guy to find vulns in. Well, by that measure, gentoo encourages VERY good security, because you think you have it bad keeping binary packages updated, just imagine building them all yourself! That DEFINITELY tends to encourage one to slim down on optional dependencies after a few update cycles, for SURE!) >> Kaffeine3? Where'd you get that version number? The latest both on >> the site (kaffeine.kde.org) and here on gentoo is 1.2.2 (released >> 2011.04.17, >> 1.2.0 was 2011.04.04). > >> Or do you mean the last kde3-based release, 0.8.8 (released >> 2009.05.23)? > > http://packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/11.4/Multimedia/i586/kde3- kaffeine-0.8.8-50.pm.50.31.i586.rpm OK, so kaffeine for kde3. That's not even an option on Gentoo, unless you have the kde-sunset overlay configured, because kde3 isn't even in the tree. And if you don't have any other kde3 packages installed, it could *DEFINITELY* be described as wanting to pull in the kitchen sink, the bathtub, and the garage, as that'd mean pulling in kde3-libs, part of kde3-base, and the (even farther out of upstream support than kde3 and very likely vulnerable in more ways than one) qt3 package(s) as well. So I don't blame you for choking on that; I would too! kaffeine for kde4 (that is, probably 1.1 or 1.2.something, depending on how close to upstream they stick for updates between OpenSuSE releases), would be FAR less dependencies, presuming you already have kde4 installed as I expect you do or you'd be unlikely to be posting here, BUT, as I said, last I checked anyway it was nowhere near as powerful as the kde3 version. Meanwhile, smplayer's a very reasonable alternative, with all the features a power user could ever want (more than vlc, which I also have installed), but by default, the GUI's reasonably simple, so it's a reasonable choice all around. Or at least I've found it to be so. > Dragonplayer built into what? I never hear of it before. > > zypper in dragonplayer wanted to install 36 packages. Dragonplayer is the media-player that comes with a full kde install. However, like kaffeine it's built on xine-lib and ffmpeg instead of the mplayer that smplayer uses, and mplayer is a bigger package on its own (compressed mplayer package 8 megs, vs 2.5 for xine-lib, here) but with less external dependencies , so you'll have less to track -- assuming you didn't have either one installed before, which appears to have been the case before the kaffeine attempt. But dragonplayer is what I call a "media-player for dummies", very simple interface but very basic features. So it's unlikely you'd want it anyway. smplayer is more featureful than vlc, while dragonplayer is less, hardly more than play/pause/next/prev. (All those dependencies are codecs, etc, not player-features!) > I was only trying Kaffeine because I thought a KDE native would most > likely be next best thing to VLC. > > zypper in smplayer only wanted to install 13 packages, so I removed > everything installed explicitly for kaffeine, then installed smplayer. > It seems good as VLC ever was. Thanks! > libvdpau1 hardware video accel library > liblzo2-2 lzo decompression library > libesd0 sound daemon (which you are unlikely to use, but mplayer is build with support for it, so requires it) > libdv4dv codec (camcorders...) > libdirac_decoder0 dirac codec (BBC, some other FLOSS community) > libcrystalhd3 not sure, possibly crystal icon theme? > giflibgif format images, animated gif support > libfaac0 mpeg-4 advanced audio ENcoder (faad is the decoder, you likely won't use this encoder unless you're going to be doing video conversion or encoding, but supported=required I believe. > libbs2b0 audio lib (stereo format converter?) > libmpg123-0 mp3 and other mpeg related > libbluray0should be obvious, if you don't have a bluray device it's unlikely to be of use, but again, supported=required > MPlayer This is what was actually requiring most of the above. FWIW, mplayer has a UI of its own as well, but it's very command- line oriented, so front-ends such as smplayer are quite popular. As I said, mplayer has support for a lot of stuff built-in, so has fewer codec dependencies and the like than xine-lib, but it's bigger. > smplayer
[kde] Re: Anyone know how to figure out what packages Kaffeine3 really depends on?
On 2011/07/04 03:15 (GMT) Duncan composed: > Felix Miata posted: >> On openSUSE 11.4 I want Kaffeine to be able to directly play isos made >> from DVDs. Is this possible? If so, what does it take? I tried to have >> YaST2 install it, but it wants to install kitchen sinks, bathtubs and >> garages as well, and I don't want to be constantly updating lebenty >> bazillion Packman things never used, nor wasting disk space on them. >> I have win32codecs, libavcodecs, libxine1-codecs, libdvdcss2& >> mpeg2demux& >> its 3 *boost* deps installed. The fault window is currently complaining >> about missing demux, but also saying found input plugin without naming >> whatever it is. > Kaffeine3? Where'd you get that version number? The latest both on the > site (kaffeine.kde.org) and here on gentoo is 1.2.2 (released 2011.04.17, > 1.2.0 was 2011.04.04). > Or do you mean the last kde3-based release, 0.8.8 (released 2009.05.23)? http://packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/11.4/Multimedia/i586/kde3-kaffeine-0.8.8-50.pm.50.31.i586.rpm > I gave up on kaffeine when it was still beta for kde4... > > I needed a decent non-kde3-based media player as I was removing kde3 from > my system, and kaffeine clearly wasn't it, at that point, as it was > basically the same as the low-feature built-in dragonplayer, etc. Dragonplayer built into what? I never hear of it before. zypper in dragonplayer wanted to install 36 packages. > So I switched to the mplayer- and qt4-based smplayer, which I've been > quite happy with BTW and which if anything, has even MORE features than > kaffeine for kde3 did. I was just playing DVDs straight off the ISO > image (I have them saved to my computer) to test some graphics config > changes the other day, and I've played the physical DVDs themselves > before as well, tho not nearly as recently. I was only trying Kaffeine because I thought a KDE native would most likely be next best thing to VLC. zypper in smplayer only wanted to install 13 packages, so I removed everything installed explicitly for kaffeine, then installed smplayer. It seems good as VLC ever was. Thanks! 2011-07-03 20:25:50|install|libdvdcss2|1.2.10-2.pm.3.1|i586|Libdvdcss 2011-07-03 20:27:19|install|kde3-kaffeine|0.8.8-51.1|i586|KDE3 2011-07-03 20:27:23|install|kde3-kaffeine-lang|0.8.8-51.1|noarch||KDE3 2011-07-03 20:30:29|install|w32codec-all|20100303-0.pm.1.1|i586|Packman 2011-07-03 20:32:34|install|libavcodec53|0.8-0.pm.1.1|i586||Packman 2011-07-03 20:32:36|install|libxine1-codecs|1.1.19-2.pm.46.6|i586|Packman 2011-07-03 20:53:45|install|boost-license1_44_0|1.44.0-5.1|noarch||OSS 2011-07-03 20:53:46|install|libboost_system1_44_0|1.44.0-5.1|i586||OSS 2011-07-03 20:53:46|install|libboost_filesystem1_44_0|1.44.0-5.1|i586||OSS 2011-07-03 20:53:48|install|mpeg2demux|1.0.2-1.pm.8.3|i586|Packman 2011-07-03 23:21:28|remove |libxine1-codecs|1.1.19-2.pm.46.6|i586 2011-07-03 23:21:28|remove |mpeg2demux|1.0.2-1.pm.8.3|i586 2011-07-03 23:21:28|remove |libavcodec53|0.8-0.pm.1.1|i586 2011-07-03 23:21:29|remove |libboost_filesystem1_44_0|1.44.0-5.1|i586| 2011-07-03 23:21:29|remove |libboost_system1_44_0|1.44.0-5.1|i586 2011-07-03 23:21:29|remove |boost-license1_44_0|1.44.0-5.1|noarch 2011-07-03 23:21:29|remove |kde3-kaffeine-lang|0.8.8-51.1|noarch 2011-07-03 23:21:29|remove |kde3-kaffeine|0.8.8-51.1|i586| 2011-07-03 23:27:30|install|libvdpau1|0.4.1-10.6|i586||OSS 2011-07-03 23:27:30|install|liblzo2-2|2.04-14.1|i586||OSS 2011-07-03 23:27:30|install|libesd0|0.2.41-12.1|i586||OSS 2011-07-03 23:27:30|install|libdv4|1.0.0-155.1|i586||OSS 2011-07-03 23:27:31|install|libdirac_decoder0|1.0.2-12.1|i586||OSS 2011-07-03 23:27:31|install|libcrystalhd3|3.6.4-4.1|i586||OSS 2011-07-03 23:27:31|install|giflib|4.1.6-20.1|i586||OSS 2011-07-03 23:27:31|install|libfaac0|1.28-3.pm.6.1|i586||Packman 2011-07-03 23:27:31|install|libbs2b0|3.1.0-1.pm.4.1|i586||Packman 2011-07-03 23:27:31|install|libmpg123-0|1.13.3-1.pm.1.1|i586||Packman 2011-07-03 23:27:31|install|libbluray0|0+20110223-0.pm.2.1|i586||Packman 2011-07-03 23:27:35|install|MPlayer|1.0rc4_r33574-1.pm.1.3|i586||Packman 2011-07-03 23:27:36|install|smplayer|0.6.9+r3599-1.pm.3.1|i586|Packman -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: Anyone know how to figure out what packages Kaffeine3 really depends on?
Felix Miata posted on Sun, 03 Jul 2011 21:55:28 -0400 as excerpted: > On openSUSE 11.4 I want Kaffeine to be able to directly play isos made > from DVDs. Is this possible? If so, what does it take? I tried to have > YaST2 install it, but it wants to install kitchen sinks, bathtubs and > garages as well, and I don't want to be constantly updating lebenty > bazillion Packman things never used, nor wasting disk space on them. > > I have win32codecs, libavcodecs, libxine1-codecs, libdvdcss2 & > mpeg2demux & > its 3 *boost* deps installed. The fault window is currently complaining > about missing demux, but also saying found input plugin without naming > whatever it is. Kaffeine3? Where'd you get that version number? The latest both on the site (kaffeine.kde.org) and here on gentoo is 1.2.2 (released 2011.04.17, 1.2.0 was 2011.04.04). Or do you mean the last kde3-based release, 0.8.8 (released 2009.05.23)? I gave up on kaffeine when it was still beta for kde4 and lacking all sorts of features that were in the kde3 version, late in the kde 4.2 or early in the 4.3 era, when kde had dropped support for kde3, despite the fact that kde4 was still clearly beta at best (despite their claim to the contrary), but I still switched as 3.5.10 was the last version they were doing and 3.5 simply wasn't supported any longer (again, despite very public promises to the contrary, that it would be supported as long as there were users!). I needed a decent non-kde3-based media player as I was removing kde3 from my system, and kaffeine clearly wasn't it, at that point, as it was basically the same as the low-feature built-in dragonplayer, etc. So I switched to the mplayer- and qt4-based smplayer, which I've been quite happy with BTW and which if anything, has even MORE features than kaffeine for kde3 did. I was just playing DVDs straight off the ISO image (I have them saved to my computer) to test some graphics config changes the other day, and I've played the physical DVDs themselves before as well, tho not nearly as recently. That said, here's what the gentoo kaffeine-1.2.2 ebuild lists for dependencies, in addition to tho normal kde4 deps (thus including qt, X, etc, as well as kdelibs and solid), of course. libXScrnSaver >=xine-lib-1.1.18.1 That's it. Of course xine-lib pulls in all sorts of codec dependencies based on the USE flags (on optional deps, Gentoo normally lets the user choose at build-time, via what Gentoo calls USE flags). However, there's only non-optional depends for xine (beyond X, and plus some only used for building, since gentoo's build-from-sources). ffmpeg libiconv But it's the optional depends that kill in this case. There's a whole slew of them, based on a whole slew of different USE flags. However, as with many packages, if xine-lib is built against them, they tend to be required at runtime too (tho some of the codecs may not be). ffmpeg deps, in turn, are similar to xine's, a huge list of optional deps, but for it I actually see NO required deps (beyond those in system and thus not listed, and make as a build-only dep). But one of the things about binary distros is that a lot of the depends are optional at build-time but if built with them, the package requires them at runtime as well. And binary distros tend to build in support for nearly everything possible in most cases (with the exception of patent encumbered codecs, etc, sometimes), so in turn require all sorts of run- time dependencies that were linked at build-time so are required to run. That's one of the bonuses of a from-source system like Gentoo's, the user gets to choose the optional deps because they build the packages, tho Gentoo pretty much automates the process with ebuilds, so all the user ends up having to do is set the general USE flags they want if they apply to a package, and if they want different for an individual package, change it for that specific package only. So the system doesn't tend to have all that extra cruft unless you choose to enable it, in which case it's not "cruft" any more because you've specifically chosen it, presumably because you specifically want it. If you want me to list all the optional and build-time deps, I can, but you asked about actual non-optional deps, so that's what I listed, skipping the build-time deps since you're on a binary distro. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
