[kde] Re: lost Desktop
On Friday, July 15, 2011 09:43:31 AM Anne Wilson did opine: > On Friday 15 Jul 2011 00:37:58 Alex Schuster wrote: > > dict.leo.org suggests [screw] wrench or spanner. Or 'monkey wrench' > > for 'englischer Schraubenschl�ssel'. Ah, 'der Engl�nder'! An > > adjustable wrench. Oh, and there even is 'crescent wrench' for 'Swiss > > spanner'. > > I love these essays into language comparisons :-) Although all English > recognise the word "wrench", "spanner" is the more commonly used here. > OTOH, "monkey wrench" I associate with heavy-duty contexts, such as > motor- engineering. Then there's that thing that I know of as an > "adjustable spanner" - apparently the English spanner to you LOL > > Anne Chuckle. That adjustable spanner, is a "Crescent Wrench" here in the US, because the Crescent people owned the long since expired patent, and it has been the generic term for such a tool for at least 70 years that I know of. Similarly, the "monkey wrench" we use here, represents a wrench/spanner that was also adjustable by a similar means, but the forces against the adjuster were essentially direct, where the 'Crescent' version used jaw motion wedging friction to aid the adjuster in holding position much better. The end result is that I can buy generic crescent wrenches almost anyplace, but a genuine monkey wrench will likely be sold at an estate auction as its likely both in excess of 100 years old, and worth 25x what it cost new just as an antique. They are also commonly called knuckle busters on this side of the pond, because they were very good at it. Trivia, never played the game myself. ;-) Cheers, gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Promise her anything, but give her Exxon unleaded. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: lost Desktop
On Friday 15 Jul 2011 00:37:58 Alex Schuster wrote: > dict.leo.org suggests [screw] wrench or spanner. Or 'monkey wrench' for > 'englischer Schraubenschlüssel'. Ah, 'der Engländer'! An adjustable > wrench. Oh, and there even is 'crescent wrench' for 'Swiss spanner'. I love these essays into language comparisons :-) Although all English recognise the word "wrench", "spanner" is the more commonly used here. OTOH, "monkey wrench" I associate with heavy-duty contexts, such as motor- engineering. Then there's that thing that I know of as an "adjustable spanner" - apparently the English spanner to you LOL Anne -- New to KDE Software? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: lost Desktop
Duncan writes: > Alex Schuster posted on Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:47:36 +0200 as excerpted: > >> But you can easily recreate the folder plasmoid. Click the cashew on the >> very top right of your screen (unlock the widgets before if you do not >> see it), and select the first menu entry. Something like 'Add >> mini-programs'. You will get a list of available plasmoids no the bottom >> of the screen, look for the folder plasmoid (I guess it's called like >> that). Drag it to the desktop. It probably already shows your desktop >> folder. If not, open its settings by clicking the monkey wrench symbol >> on the handle that appears when you are over the plasmoid, there you can >> select the directory. BTW, I like to have several of those folder >> plasmoids, pointing to different directories. > > I know you're translating here, but I do find the literal translations > you used both enlightening and entertaining, knowing the English words > used. =:^) I'm glad you have fun :-) > FWIW, one of my akregator feeds is language log, because I > find how people use (and misuse) words an interesting topic. They run a > couple posts a day, generally 7 days a week, so it's not too high > traffic, just nice and steady daily food for contemplation. The log is > in English but discusses language use (and myths about it) in many > different languages. Some of the funniest posts are about "Chinglish" > mistranslations, but eggcorns and snowclones are languagelog coinages and > the use of language in legal scope gets its turn (and a number of the > professional linguists there have testified in court cases on the topic) > too, so it definitely has its serious side as well. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_Log > > http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/ > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinglish (That image of a "construction in > progress" sign illustrating the concept is a must see!) Funnny :) I like the 'Spread to fuch the fruit' supermarket. Ugh, 'Fried enema'. > Anyway... > > "Add widgets". > > You got "unlock widgets", but not "add widgets", which you translated as > "add mini-programs". Are different terms used for those two in German, > which I believe I saw you mention you were translating from? If so, it'd > be interesting to see what the literal translation of unlock widgets is, > for contrast. No, it's always 'Miniprogramme', mini programs. I think I remembered 'unlock widgets' from a posting here so I used that. And I was in a little hurry, so I didn't think for too long about this. > It's the "Folderview" plasmoid. > > And... "monkey wrench"... not wrong at all, but I found the addition of > "monkey" interesting. I learnt this the hard way. I was stuck playing Monkey Island, the waterfall blocked my way. There was a pump near which seemEd to control it, but I was unable to operate it without the proper tool. Of course I already did USE BANANA ON METRONOME, so the piano-playing monkey got hypnotized and I could stuff him into my pocket, but it didn't occur to me I should USE MONKEY ON PUMP, using him as wrench. It was years later when I read the explanation. From then on I used 'monkey wrench' for 'Schraubenschlüssel'. dict.leo.org suggests [screw] wrench or spanner. Or 'monkey wrench' for 'englischer Schraubenschlüssel'. Ah, 'der Engländer'! An adjustable wrench. Oh, and there even is 'crescent wrench' for 'Swiss spanner'. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: lost Desktop
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 02:17:36 +0530, Alex Schuster wrote: > Strange, I don't see why it should have disappeared from the panel. i've seen this a few times, when re-arranging things around my desktop(s): one or the other widget suddenly disappears. sometimes i find them on different desktops or activities, sometimes they return after plasma restart, and sometimes they stay gone. doesn't happen too often to me, so it's not too much bother to add the widget again. it's not regularly reproducible, and i've accepted it as a quirk of plasma. -- phani. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: lost Desktop
Alex Schuster posted on Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:47:36 +0200 as excerpted: > But you can easily recreate the folder plasmoid. Click the cashew on the > very top right of your screen (unlock the widgets before if you do not > see it), and select the first menu entry. Something like 'Add > mini-programs'. You will get a list of available plasmoids no the bottom > of the screen, look for the folder plasmoid (I guess it's called like > that). Drag it to the desktop. It probably already shows your desktop > folder. If not, open its settings by clicking the monkey wrench symbol > on the handle that appears when you are over the plasmoid, there you can > select the directory. BTW, I like to have several of those folder > plasmoids, pointing to different directories. I know you're translating here, but I do find the literal translations you used both enlightening and entertaining, knowing the English words used. =:^) FWIW, one of my akregator feeds is language log, because I find how people use (and misuse) words an interesting topic. They run a couple posts a day, generally 7 days a week, so it's not too high traffic, just nice and steady daily food for contemplation. The log is in English but discusses language use (and myths about it) in many different languages. Some of the funniest posts are about "Chinglish" mistranslations, but eggcorns and snowclones are languagelog coinages and the use of language in legal scope gets its turn (and a number of the professional linguists there have testified in court cases on the topic) too, so it definitely has its serious side as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_Log http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinglish (That image of a "construction in progress" sign illustrating the concept is a must see!) Anyway... "Add widgets". You got "unlock widgets", but not "add widgets", which you translated as "add mini-programs". Are different terms used for those two in German, which I believe I saw you mention you were translating from? If so, it'd be interesting to see what the literal translation of unlock widgets is, for contrast. It's the "Folderview" plasmoid. And... "monkey wrench"... not wrong at all, but I found the addition of "monkey" interesting. FWIW, with the six years I spent in former-Crown- Colony Kenya, I still appreciate the very literal term "spanner" as well, and have taken to calling that the spanner/wrench icon. =:^) But I had thought the term "monkey wrench" of purely US origin so I was surprised to see "monkey" added in this context. (Wikipedia seems to agree on national origin, altho specific origin is somewhat disputed.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: lost Desktop
Jerome Yuzyk writes: > On Wednesday, July 13, 2011 01:07:31 PM Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> > wrote: > It was a plasmoid, whatever replaced the pre-KDE4 Desktop, but didn't > cover the whole Desktop surface. Problem is, it's not on the Panel > anymore since I had to restart Plasma so I don't know where to drop it > from. Strange, I don't see why it should have disappeared from the panel. > I run my Panel vertically on the left of the screen. One day I noticed he > Desktop area had what looked like a scrollbar on the left side it so I > tried it but I guess I inadvertently dragged whatever I thought was the > scrollbar enough onto the Panel that it iconified there. Then when I tried > to use the icon to put things back Plasma went into a 100% CPU spin and I > had to kill and restart it and neither the icon nor my Desktop came back. The joy of KDE4 plasma But you can easily recreate the folder plasmoid. Click the cashew on the very top right of your screen (unlock the widgets before if you do not see it), and select the first menu entry. Something like 'Add mini-programs'. You will get a list of available plasmoids no the bottom of the screen, look for the folder plasmoid (I guess it's called like that). Drag it to the desktop. It probably already shows your desktop folder. If not, open its settings by clicking the monkey wrench symbol on the handle that appears when you are over the plasmoid, there you can select the directory. BTW, I like to have several of those folder plasmoids, pointing to different directories. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: lost Desktop
On Wednesday, July 13, 2011 01:07:31 PM Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Alex Schuster posted on Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:10:22 +0200 as excerpted: > > Jerome Yuzyk writes: > >> Yesterday I inadvertently moved my Desktop to the Panel. > > > > Uh, um, how did you do _that_? > > Maybe he means a folderview (or other) plasmoid, that was previously on > the desktop, possibly sized to cover enough of it that it seemed to be > the entire desktop? (It might be that at least the folderview layout is > simply a giant plasmoid, so could be dragged to the panel as well, but I > don't believe the others are, and I don't know about the folderview > layout.) > > I know it's possible to drag /plasmoids/ from the desktop (and probably > newspaper, grid, etc, any that can contain plasmoids) layout to a panel, > as I did that deliberately when I was still tweaking the organization of > my desktop. Now that's somewhat rare as I have it pretty much how I > want it, but I doubt the possibility will go away. > > (You well enough answered his question that I have nothing to add, in > that regard.) It was a plasmoid, whatever replaced the pre-KDE4 Desktop, but didn't cover the whole Desktop surface. Problem is, it's not on the Panel anymore since I had to restart Plasma so I don't know where to drop it from. I run my Panel vertically on the left of the screen. One day I noticed he Desktop area had what looked like a scrollbar on the left side it so I tried it but I guess I inadvertently dragged whatever I thought was the scrollbar enough onto the Panel that it iconified there. Then when I tried to use the icon to put things back Plasma went into a 100% CPU spin and I had to kill and restart it and neither the icon nor my Desktop came back. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: lost Desktop
Alex Schuster posted on Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:10:22 +0200 as excerpted: > Jerome Yuzyk writes: > >> Yesterday I inadvertently moved my Desktop to the Panel. > > Uh, um, how did you do _that_? Maybe he means a folderview (or other) plasmoid, that was previously on the desktop, possibly sized to cover enough of it that it seemed to be the entire desktop? (It might be that at least the folderview layout is simply a giant plasmoid, so could be dragged to the panel as well, but I don't believe the others are, and I don't know about the folderview layout.) I know it's possible to drag /plasmoids/ from the desktop (and probably newspaper, grid, etc, any that can contain plasmoids) layout to a panel, as I did that deliberately when I was still tweaking the organization of my desktop. Now that's somewhat rare as I have it pretty much how I want it, but I doubt the possibility will go away. (You well enough answered his question that I have nothing to add, in that regard.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: lost Desktop
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 00:31:12 +0530, Alex Schuster wrote: > Ah, now I understand. It's the folder plasmoid showing your desktop... oops, your post arrived while i was sending mine. i was (trying to) say the same thing. -- phani. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: lost Desktop
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 00:19:20 +0530, Jerome Yuzyk wrote: > > There was a bar on it that I thought was a scrollbar. When I went to scroll > it the Desktop iconified onto the Panel. ~/home/Desktop isn't gone - it > just doesn't show anymore. > just drag that folder back to the desktop surface. to do that you'll have to "unlock widgets" if they're locked -- they certainly weren't when you put that folder into the panel -- and click on the 'diamond' showing on the panel's right end. after that 'grab' the iconified folder with the mouse, dump it on the desktop, and it should un-iconify. i seem to remember that once it didn't. in that case you'll have to remove & re-create it. -- phani. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: lost Desktop
Jerome Yuzyk writes: > On Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:10:22 PM Alex Schuster > wrote: >> Jerome Yuzyk writes: >>> Yesterday I inadvertently moved my Desktop to the Panel. >> >> Uh, um, how did you do _that_? > There was a bar on it that I thought was a scrollbar. When I went to scroll > it the Desktop iconified onto the Panel. ~/home/Desktop isn't gone - it > just doesn't show anymore. Ah, now I understand. It's the folder plasmoid showing your desktop folder. Click on the cashew, the thing on the very very right of your panel. If it isn't there, you probably have to unlock your widgets first, do this by right-clicking on the desktop and select 'unlock widgets'. Or something like that, I'm translating from German. When you clicked the cashew, you can drag things from your panel back to the desktop. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: lost Desktop
On Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:10:22 PM Alex Schuster wrote: > Jerome Yuzyk writes: > > Yesterday I inadvertently moved my Desktop to the Panel. > > Uh, um, how did you do _that_? > > > In trying to move it back, Plasma went into a spin so I killed and > > restarted it. Now how do I get it back? > > Do you by any chance have a backup of your > .kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc file? I guess restoring that > would do the trick. Or maybe removing it, although you'd have to > configure your desktop again. > > I back up this stuff regularly, and always before I save the desktop > session, as I had all sorts of trouble in the past. > > Wonko There was a bar on it that I thought was a scrollbar. When I went to scroll it the Desktop iconified onto the Panel. ~/home/Desktop isn't gone - it just doesn't show anymore. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: lost Desktop
Jerome Yuzyk writes: > Yesterday I inadvertently moved my Desktop to the Panel. Uh, um, how did you do _that_? > In trying to move it back, Plasma went into a spin so I killed and > restarted it. Now how do I get it back? Do you by any chance have a backup of your .kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc file? I guess restoring that would do the trick. Or maybe removing it, although you'd have to configure your desktop again. I back up this stuff regularly, and always before I save the desktop session, as I had all sorts of trouble in the past. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
