[kde] kdm multiple keyboard layouts

2013-03-27 Thread zoolook
Hello,

First, is there a kdm-users dedicated mailing list?

Now my question.

I'm learning Dvorak keyboard layout but I share this computer with my wife.
She doesn't like the layout so I need kdm to default to latam layout and
have dvorak as a option (either a keyboard shortcut or a menu option) so I
don't have to remember two passwords.

Is this possible?

Thanks!!

Norberto
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Re: [kde] kdm multiple keyboard layouts

2013-03-27 Thread Bogus Zaba

On 03/27/2013 10:18 AM, zoolook wrote:

Hello,

First, is there a kdm-users dedicated mailing list?

Now my question.

I'm learning Dvorak keyboard layout but I share this computer with my 
wife. She doesn't like the layout so I need kdm to default to latam 
layout and have dvorak as a option (either a keyboard shortcut or a 
menu option) so I don't have to remember two passwords.


Is this possible?

Thanks!!

Norberto


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System settings  Input Devices  Keyboard  Layouts. The settings form 
there allows you to add various keyboard layouts. Once these have been 
activated an icon in the notifications area of your panel tells you 
which keyboard layout is active at the time. I use this to switch 
between UK, UK-international and Polisk keyboard layouts. Just click the 
icon and you cycle through them, once you have set them up in System 
Settings.

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Re: [kde] kdm multiple keyboard layouts

2013-03-27 Thread zoolook
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Bogus Zaba bog...@bogzab.plus.com wrote:

 On 03/27/2013 10:18 AM, zoolook wrote:

 Hello,

 First, is there a kdm-users dedicated mailing list?

 Now my question.

 I'm learning Dvorak keyboard layout but I share this computer with my
 wife. She doesn't like the layout so I need kdm to default to latam layout
 and have dvorak as a option (either a keyboard shortcut or a menu option)
 so I don't have to remember two passwords.

 Is this possible?

 Thanks!!

 Norberto


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 System settings  Input Devices  Keyboard  Layouts. The settings form
 there allows you to add various keyboard layouts. Once these have been
 activated an icon in the notifications area of your panel tells you which
 keyboard layout is active at the time. I use this to switch between UK,
 UK-international and Polisk keyboard layouts. Just click the icon and you
 cycle through them, once you have set them up in System Settings.



I want kd_M_ (kde's display manager) to be mutiple-keyboard-layout aware
:-)  I want to be able to switch between 2 keyboard layouts in kdM.

Or is there something I'm missing? I see no icon to switch layouts in kdM.


Thanks!
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Re: [kde] kdm multiple keyboard layouts

2013-03-27 Thread Bogus Zaba

On 03/27/2013 09:16 PM, zoolook wrote:
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Bogus Zaba bog...@bogzab.plus.com 
mailto:bog...@bogzab.plus.com wrote:


On 03/27/2013 10:18 AM, zoolook wrote:

Hello,

First, is there a kdm-users dedicated mailing list?

Now my question.

I'm learning Dvorak keyboard layout but I share this computer
with my wife. She doesn't like the layout so I need kdm to
default to latam layout and have dvorak as a option (either a
keyboard shortcut or a menu option) so I don't have to
remember two passwords.

Is this possible?

Thanks!!

Norberto


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System settings  Input Devices  Keyboard  Layouts. The settings
form there allows you to add various keyboard layouts. Once these
have been activated an icon in the notifications area of your
panel tells you which keyboard layout is active at the time. I use
this to switch between UK, UK-international and Polisk keyboard
layouts. Just click the icon and you cycle through them, once you
have set them up in System Settings.



I want kd_M_ (kde's display manager) to be mutiple-keyboard-layout 
aware :-)  I want to be able to switch between 2 keyboard layouts in kdM.


Or is there something I'm missing? I see no icon to switch layouts in kdM.


Thanks!


Sorry, I misread your original post. I think you are right there is no 
kdm option to change keyboard layouts - the thing I was describing comes 
after you have logged in using kdm.


There may be options to achieve what you want by logging into your 
system in a plain text console rather than using a display manager 
login. You might then be able to set locale / keyboard map in the 
console and afterwards start your gui with startx?

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Re: [kde] kdm multiple keyboard layouts

2013-03-27 Thread zoolook
First, I didn't noticed gmail was sending HTML. Please excuse me. This
one _should_ be plain text.

On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Bogus Zaba bog...@bogzab.plus.com wrote:

 On 03/27/2013 09:16 PM, zoolook wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Bogus Zaba bog...@bogzab.plus.com 
 mailto:bog...@bogzab.plus.com wrote:

 On 03/27/2013 10:18 AM, zoolook wrote:

 Hello,

 First, is there a kdm-users dedicated mailing list?

 Now my question.

 I'm learning Dvorak keyboard layout but I share this computer
 with my wife. She doesn't like the layout so I need kdm to
 default to latam layout and have dvorak as a option (either a
 keyboard shortcut or a menu option) so I don't have to
 remember two passwords.

 Is this possible?

 Thanks!!

 Norberto


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 System settings  Input Devices  Keyboard  Layouts. The settings
 form there allows you to add various keyboard layouts. Once these
 have been activated an icon in the notifications area of your
 panel tells you which keyboard layout is active at the time. I use
 this to switch between UK, UK-international and Polisk keyboard
 layouts. Just click the icon and you cycle through them, once you
 have set them up in System Settings.



 I want kd_M_ (kde's display manager) to be mutiple-keyboard-layout aware :-) 
  I want to be able to switch between 2 keyboard layouts in kdM.

 Or is there something I'm missing? I see no icon to switch layouts in kdM.


 Thanks!


 Sorry, I misread your original post.


It's ok. Don't worry.



 I think you are right there is no kdm option to change keyboard layouts



[some rant, but it's meant to be funny, keep reading 'cos I fixed]

We are in the year two thousand thirteen. It is the xxi century. We
are already on the second decade of the xxi century, and I already
have a flying car!!! (...ok, I'm lying a little bit here... it doesn't
fly, but it's new and shinny! :-) ), and ...



 There may be options to achieve what you want by logging into your system in 
 a plain text console rather than using a display manager login. You might 
 then be able to set locale / keyboard map in the console and afterwards start 
 your gui with startx?



... and you want me to start kde using startx like in the '90 :-/

I'm going to my bedroom to cry.


I remember being able to configure xfree86 to hot-switch between
keyboard layouts, but xorg has no x{whatever}.conf in /etc/X11.

In *ubuntu (and from what I've been reading, every distro) the
xorg.conf files are split into /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/

To configure multiple keyboard layouts, I copied
/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf to
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf (if the directory doesn't exist,
create it).

Then I modified the section where matchiskeyboard is:

Section InputClass
Identifier evdev keyboard catchall
MatchIsKeyboard on
MatchDevicePath /dev/input/event*
Driver evdev
### added this:
Option XkbModel pc105
Option XkbLayout latam,us(dvp)
Option XKbOptions grp:alt_shift_toggle
###
EndSection

As you can see, I've configured alt+shift as the hot-key to toggle the
layouts. It works in kdm (the display manager). Latam is the default.
I can press alt+shift to swicth to dvorak (programmer layout).

It is not perfect (missing layout label for exaple) but it works for me.

Adding this feature to kdm would be nice, since no display manager
seems to have this (2013 Guys. 2013. Windows 2000 supported this in
1999)

Now I have a little funny behaviour with middle-click to paste. I
don't know if it is caused by the above modification to the config or
something else (kde 4.10.1 still has this habit of deleting the
configuration file and replacing it with the defaults so maybe it is
just klipper doing its (default) thing :-/) . It is not important.
I'll fix it a few more minutes.


Thanks for reading!
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