Re: [kde] wtf fucked up power devil
On 29/05/12 15:28, dE . wrote: Have mercy on phone users. Have mercy on those who try to help you. Anne signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] wtf fucked up power devil
On 05/29/12 20:27, Anne Wilson wrote: On 29/05/12 15:28, dE . wrote: Have mercy on phone users. Have mercy on those who try to help you. Anne Who's helping me here? ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] wtf fucked up power devil
Le lundi 28 mai 2012 22:37:53 Sérgio Basto a écrit : On Seg, 2012-05-28 at 11:47 +0530, dE . wrote: On second though it's a good thing. It simplifies things. your top posting doesn't help much First what is an activity ? where is documented how activity works ? Here you go, a quick tour of activities : http://yuenhoe.com/blog/2011/01/the-rise-of-plasma-activities-and-what-it-can- do-for-you/ http://hanschen.org/2011/02/04/activities-a-change-in-workflow/ The activity service is running with bare functionalities. Names and icons of the activities might not be available. wtf this means ? I have 11 tabs , 4 called desktop , 5 called unnamed and 2 called new acitivty . I have no idea what you're calling tabs in this context Before turn off profile , we may setting power save or not , enable and disable display after certain time or not etc . How do you do a profile for presentations, not disable screeen , even on battery ? Okular in master has code to automagically inhibit suspension, althoug AFAIK it also worked before. For now, I think the you'll want to be using the enable powermanagement checkbox in the battery applet. Thanks, ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] wtf fucked up power devil
Have mercy on phone users. - Support software for non profit, buy Android phones. On May 29, 2012 3:08 AM, Sérgio Basto ser...@serjux.com wrote: On Seg, 2012-05-28 at 11:47 +0530, dE . wrote: On second though it's a good thing. It simplifies things. your top posting doesn't help much - Support software for non profit, buy Android phones. On May 27, 2012 4:19 PM, Martin Bednar seraf...@gmail.com wrote: Le samedi 26 mai 2012 18:51:23 dE . a écrit : I just noticed this recently, and this's a complete turn off! There should've been profiles!! There still are sort of profiles, only that now they're linked to activities[1]. Meaning depending on your current activity, you can have different suspend timeout values. As for cpufreq and other configuration, as mentioned previously, laptop-mode-tools does it pretty well, I suggest you configure it there. IMHO this is the correct solution : advanced users who know what cpufreq is have one place to configure it, those who don't should probably not touch those settings and use the distro-provided defaults. As for the presentation mode, now the app presenting should inhibit it itself (I think okular does). And this is exactly what the enable powermanagement checkbox does : disable powermanagement features.[2] Martin [1] http://drfav.wordpress.com/2011/10/02/forge-sprint-2011-power-management- and-its-future/ [2] http://drfav.wordpress.com/2012/02/22/fixing-lid-close-suspension-in-4-8-1/ First what is an activity ? where is documented how activity works ? The activity service is running with bare functionalities. Names and icons of the activities might not be available. wtf this means ? I have 11 tabs , 4 called desktop , 5 called unnamed and 2 called new acitivty . Before turn off profile , we may setting power save or not , enable and disable display after certain time or not etc . How do you do a profile for presentations, not disable screeen , even on battery ? Thanks, -- Sérgio M. B. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] wtf fucked up power devil
Le mardi 29 mai 2012 19:43:04 vous avez écrit : I have no idea what you're calling tabs in this context see img attach Ok, this means that you have activities configured, and these tabs could be used as profiles. Why your activity daemon is announcing itself as half- broken, I have no idea. As for your request to disable suspend etc, see my previous replies disable powermanagement checkbox in the battery widget. Martin ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] wtf fucked up power devil
On second though it's a good thing. It simplifies things. - Support software for non profit, buy Android phones. On May 27, 2012 4:19 PM, Martin Bednar seraf...@gmail.com wrote: Le samedi 26 mai 2012 18:51:23 dE . a écrit : I just noticed this recently, and this's a complete turn off! There should've been profiles!! There still are sort of profiles, only that now they're linked to activities[1]. Meaning depending on your current activity, you can have different suspend timeout values. As for cpufreq and other configuration, as mentioned previously, laptop-mode-tools does it pretty well, I suggest you configure it there. IMHO this is the correct solution : advanced users who know what cpufreq is have one place to configure it, those who don't should probably not touch those settings and use the distro-provided defaults. As for the presentation mode, now the app presenting should inhibit it itself (I think okular does). And this is exactly what the enable powermanagement checkbox does : disable powermanagement features.[2] Martin [1] http://drfav.wordpress.com/2011/10/02/forge-sprint-2011-power-management- and-its-future/ [2] http://drfav.wordpress.com/2012/02/22/fixing-lid-close-suspension-in-4-8-1/ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] wtf fucked up power devil
On Seg, 2012-05-28 at 11:47 +0530, dE . wrote: On second though it's a good thing. It simplifies things. your top posting doesn't help much - Support software for non profit, buy Android phones. On May 27, 2012 4:19 PM, Martin Bednar seraf...@gmail.com wrote: Le samedi 26 mai 2012 18:51:23 dE . a écrit : I just noticed this recently, and this's a complete turn off! There should've been profiles!! There still are sort of profiles, only that now they're linked to activities[1]. Meaning depending on your current activity, you can have different suspend timeout values. As for cpufreq and other configuration, as mentioned previously, laptop-mode-tools does it pretty well, I suggest you configure it there. IMHO this is the correct solution : advanced users who know what cpufreq is have one place to configure it, those who don't should probably not touch those settings and use the distro-provided defaults. As for the presentation mode, now the app presenting should inhibit it itself (I think okular does). And this is exactly what the enable powermanagement checkbox does : disable powermanagement features.[2] Martin [1] http://drfav.wordpress.com/2011/10/02/forge-sprint-2011-power-management- and-its-future/ [2] http://drfav.wordpress.com/2012/02/22/fixing-lid-close-suspension-in-4-8-1/ First what is an activity ? where is documented how activity works ? The activity service is running with bare functionalities. Names and icons of the activities might not be available. wtf this means ? I have 11 tabs , 4 called desktop , 5 called unnamed and 2 called new acitivty . Before turn off profile , we may setting power save or not , enable and disable display after certain time or not etc . How do you do a profile for presentations, not disable screeen , even on battery ? Thanks, -- Sérgio M. B. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] wtf fucked up power devil
On Sáb, 2012-05-26 at 18:49 +0530, dE . wrote: On 05/25/12 00:57, Sérgio Basto wrote: Wtf power devil has no more profiles, why some many regressions on one thing that was working so well , now have a stupid check box , Power management enable , wtf that means ? what means disable power management ? is disable this tramp ? . Cpu freq , not enter in screen saver (on presentations ) why this functions was removed ? I may want power save on AC Power or not want power saver on battery but is not a choice , who is the brain that think we are all stupids . Power management enable is the same of power saved enabled ? What version of KDE and in which distro? Fedora 16, KDE 4.8.3 -- Sérgio M. B. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] wtf fucked up power devil
On 05/25/12 00:57, Sérgio Basto wrote: Wtf power devil has no more profiles, why some many regressions on one thing that was working so well , now have a stupid check box , Power management enable , wtf that means ? what means disable power management ? is disable this tramp ? . Cpu freq , not enter in screen saver (on presentations ) why this functions was removed ? I may want power save on AC Power or not want power saver on battery but is not a choice , who is the brain that think we are all stupids . Power management enable is the same of power saved enabled ? What version of KDE and in which distro? ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] wtf fucked up power devil
On 05/25/12 11:44, Kevin Krammer wrote: On Friday, 2012-05-25, Duncan wrote: I've read that the lower level tools themselves changed. Apparently, some of the knobs power devil was using weren't designed to to be individually tweaked, and they either disappeared entirely or there were bugs related to their use that were closed WONTFIX as they weren't supposed to be directly tweaked in the first place. So power devil didn't have much of a choice. They could either do the complicated thing and provide a GUI that allowed setting most of what laptop-mode-tools does, but that was several times more complex than what they were doing, or go the simple, dumbed-down route. For now, they went the dumbed-down route. It's possible they'll eventually expose the complex config to those that want it, but that's a lot of code to write and test, so dumbed-down is what they'd be exposing temporarily, until the complex code could be written and tested, in any case. As far as I understand the setup, the UI and the actual power managment code are separate entities, so if the management code does allow for more fine grained control somebody could write an alternative UI for it which exposes those controls. One could check with the author of the new UI whether it would be possible to upload the old UI to kde-apps or something. Cheers, Kevin ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. I just noticed this recently, and this's a complete turn off! There should've been profiles!! ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] wtf fucked up power devil
Wtf power devil has no more profiles, why some many regressions on one thing that was working so well , now have a stupid check box , Power management enable , wtf that means ? what means disable power management ? is disable this tramp ? . Cpu freq , not enter in screen saver (on presentations ) why this functions was removed ? I may want power save on AC Power or not want power saver on battery but is not a choice , who is the brain that think we are all stupids . Power management enable is the same of power saved enabled ? -- Sérgio M. B. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] wtf fucked up power devil
Sérgio Basto posted on Thu, 24 May 2012 20:27:01 +0100 as excerpted: Wtf power devil has no more profiles, why some many regressions on one thing that was working so well , now have a stupid check box , Power management enable , wtf that means ? what means disable power management ? is disable this tramp ? . Cpu freq , not enter in screen saver (on presentations ) why this functions was removed ? I may want power save on AC Power or not want power saver on battery but is not a choice , who is the brain that think we are all stupids . Power management enable is the same of power saved enabled ? I don't use power devil at all, preferring to use laptop-mode-tools (which has far more specific detail available than power devil, but you configure its text files manually, which some might not like) directly for automatic switching plus a couple scripts for on-demand, but... I've read that the lower level tools themselves changed. Apparently, some of the knobs power devil was using weren't designed to to be individually tweaked, and they either disappeared entirely or there were bugs related to their use that were closed WONTFIX as they weren't supposed to be directly tweaked in the first place. So power devil didn't have much of a choice. They could either do the complicated thing and provide a GUI that allowed setting most of what laptop-mode-tools does, but that was several times more complex than what they were doing, or go the simple, dumbed-down route. For now, they went the dumbed-down route. It's possible they'll eventually expose the complex config to those that want it, but that's a lot of code to write and test, so dumbed-down is what they'd be exposing temporarily, until the complex code could be written and tested, in any case. There was definitely some controversy over the change, but it wasn't like the GUI tool authors had a lot of choice, when the interface they were using changed as it did. I'd therefore suggest going the full laptop-mode-tools route, and configuring its various text-based config files manually if you want more control than the various GUIs, power devil and others, give you. You'll have both a greater understanding of your system and finer control over it, when you're done, and thus will likely be happier with the outcome. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
