Re: [kde] KDE 4.8.1 doing strange things with some applications
On Tuesday, 2012-03-20, pete wrote: > Hi .. > > I am having a few strange interactions here with KDE4.8.1 i use claws > mail for the simple reason Kmail has caused me too much hassle > recently , > > all was well untill the update to KDE 4.8.1 then every time > i send a mail it closes claws down if i open a compose window then > think dont bother and close the window the entire claws vanishes > Claws mail is version 3.8.0 on Arch Linux as in sig block below Have you tried starting claws from a console window? Certain "closing" could be the effect of the application crashing. Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE 4.8.1 doing strange things with some applications
pete writes: > I am having a few strange interactions here with KDE4.8.1 i use claws > mail for the simple reason Kmail has caused me too much hassle > recently , Me too, for daily use. For encrypted mails or local folders I still use KMail. Or when Claws crashes after sending a mail like now. > all was well untill the update to KDE 4.8.1 then every time > i send a mail it closes claws down if i open a compose window then > think dont bother and close the window the entire claws vanishes > Claws mail is version 3.8.0 on Arch Linux as in sig block below Exactly the same happens here on Gentoo Linux since this morning. I am running 4.8.1 since two weeks ago, but there was an update to 4.8.1-r1 three days ago, and I did not log out of KDE since today. But there was also an update to Xorg yesterday, from 1.11.4 to 1.12.0. The error message when started from a terminal is: The program 'claws-mail' received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in the program. The error was 'BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)'. (Details: serial 55930 error_code 3 request_code 151 minor_code 3) (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) And it also crashes when I run it in another window manager like IceWM or Enlightenment, with KDE running at that time or not. It even does so when I rename the .claws-mail directory so it starts with default configuration. However, it does _not_ crash when I run it with a new user with empty $HOME directory. Unless... this user is running KDE. But it only crashes from within KDE, it still does not crash in Enlightenment then. So, this user cannot run Claws from KDE, while I cannot use it at all now. I did not investigate this further, I probably could do some config bisecting, but I have no spare time at the moment. Did you also upgrade X to 12.0? P.S. when sending this mail, KMail asks for the SMTP server's password. Why doesn't it use the KDE wallet this time? These are those problems that made me switch to Claws. I'll restart Kontact and try again. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE 4.8.1 doing strange things with some applications
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:05:48 +0100 Kevin Krammer wrote: > On Tuesday, 2012-03-20, pete wrote: > > Hi .. > > > > I am having a few strange interactions here with KDE4.8.1 i use > > claws mail for the simple reason Kmail has caused me too much hassle > > recently , > > > > all was well untill the update to KDE 4.8.1 then every time > > i send a mail it closes claws down if i open a compose window then > > think dont bother and close the window the entire claws vanishes > > Claws mail is version 3.8.0 on Arch Linux as in sig block below > > Have you tried starting claws from a console window? > Certain "closing" could be the effect of the application crashing. > > Cheers, > Kevin > Hi Kevin Well just run it from an xterm sent a mail to another of my systems and i get this .. [pete@7-of-9 ~]$ claws-mail The program 'claws-mail' received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in the program. The error was 'BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)'. (Details: serial 62148 error_code 3 request_code 152 minor_code 3) (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) if that helps i do not have any of the debugging stuff installed on here .. Pete . -- Linux 7-of-9 3.2.11-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Mar 15 09:19:02 CET 2012 x86_64 AMD Phenom(tm) 9600B Quad-Core Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE 4.8.1 doing strange things with some applications
Alex Schuster posted on Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:57:38 +0100 as excerpted: > pete writes: > >> I am having a few strange interactions here with KDE4.8.1 i use claws >> mail for the simple reason Kmail has caused me too much hassle recently >> , > > Me too, for daily use. For encrypted mails or local folders I still use > KMail. Or when Claws crashes after sending a mail like now. Claws-mail all the way, here. I dumped that akonadi abomination and along with it (Gentoo) USE=semantic-desktop entirely, like the scourge it turned out to be to my system! >> all was well untill the update to KDE 4.8.1 then every time >> i send a mail it closes claws down if i open a compose window then >> think dont bother and close the window the entire claws vanishes Claws >> mail is version 3.8.0 on Arch Linux as in sig block below > > Exactly the same happens here on Gentoo Linux since this morning. I am > running 4.8.1 since two weeks ago, but there was an update to 4.8.1-r1 > three days ago, and I did not log out of KDE since today. But there was > also an update to Xorg yesterday, from 1.11.4 to 1.12.0. Absolutely no such issues, here (also on Gentoo, ~amd64/no-multilib FWIW, with the kde, x11 and mozilla overlays). I too have the xorg-server 1.12.0 update, kde 4.8.1, etc. One big difference, however, would be that I've disabled semantic-desktop entirely, and don't have kdepim or akonadi or any of that stuff on the system. > The error message when started from a terminal is: > > The program 'claws-mail' received an X Window System error. > This probably reflects a bug in the program. > The error was 'BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)'. > (Details: serial 55930 error_code 3 request_code 151 minor_code 3) > (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; >that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. >To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line option to >change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful backtrace from >your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) > > And it also crashes when I run it in another window manager like IceWM > or Enlightenment, with KDE running at that time or not. It even does so > when I rename the .claws-mail directory so it starts with default > configuration. > > However, it does _not_ crash when I run it with a new user with empty > $HOME directory. Unless... this user is running KDE. But it only crashes > from within KDE, it still does not crash in Enlightenment then. So, this > user cannot run Claws from KDE, while I cannot use it at all now. > > I did not investigate this further, I probably could do some config > bisecting, but I have no spare time at the moment. Did you also upgrade > X to 12.0? As I mentioned above, I have, but haven't seen that issue here. But based on the behavior you mention, with it happening in other DEs besides kde with your regular user, but not with a new user... except in kde... It sounds to me like it might be due to some bit of the gtk configuration, or some such. Of course, claws-mail is a gtk-based app... Note that with the xorg-server 1.12 update came inputproto 2.2, with multitouch support. AFAIK some bits of gtk3 have multitouch support already, provided it's supported by X, and if you have that on your system (I don't, only gtk2), a rebuild of various bits of it against the new xorg bits may be in order. I assume you did a revdep-rebuild, Wonko? Also, it's worth noting that I do *NOT* use FEATURES=preserve-libs due to various issues I had with it early on. IMO it's MUCH simpler to just let the old libs be pulled and let revdep-rebuild detect and fix the problems, than to monkey around trying to troubleshoot issues due to stale libs still being on the system, apps trying to load both the new and the old one together, etc. YMMV but if you have it on, you might consider turning it off, and see if over time, your number of mysterious issues goes down. Here, I could probably troubleshoot individual problems, but it really /is/ just simpler to disable the feature entirely, and let revdep-rebuild do its job without preserve-libs throwing a spanner in the works! > P.S. when sending this mail, KMail asks for the SMTP server's password. > Why doesn't it use the KDE wallet this time? These are those problems > that made me switch to Claws. I'll restart Kontact and try again. AFAIK it's akonadi that actually handles mail passwords, etc, now. At least back in the 4.6 era just coming up on 4.7, when I exterminated akonadi from my system, one of my frustrations with the whole thing was that I have something like a half-dozen email accounts. When I logged in or otherwise restarted akonadi, it would stall them all waiting for the kwallet password for the first one, but if I provided it, the others would remain stalled, until I manually stopped their fetchs and restarted them. And I had to do that within the kwallet pas
Re: [kde] KDE 4.8.1 doing strange things with some applications
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:05:48 +0100 Kevin Krammer wrote: > On Tuesday, 2012-03-20, pete wrote: > > Hi .. > > > > I am having a few strange interactions here with KDE4.8.1 i use > > claws mail for the simple reason Kmail has caused me too much hassle > > recently , > > > > all was well untill the update to KDE 4.8.1 then every time > > i send a mail it closes claws down if i open a compose window then > > think dont bother and close the window the entire claws vanishes > > Claws mail is version 3.8.0 on Arch Linux as in sig block below > > Have you tried starting claws from a console window? > Certain "closing" could be the effect of the application crashing. > > Cheers, > Kevin > Just found it also happens with Bluefish close an unwanted page bang gone completely So is it a GTK /KDE thing or a GTK / X thing .. Pete . -- Linux 7-of-9 3.2.11-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Mar 15 09:19:02 CET 2012 x86_64 AMD Phenom(tm) 9600B Quad-Core Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE 4.8.1 doing strange things with some applications
pete wrote: > On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:05:48 +0100 > Kevin Krammer wrote: > >> On Tuesday, 2012-03-20, pete wrote: >> > Hi .. >> > >> > I am having a few strange interactions here with KDE4.8.1 i use >> > claws mail for the simple reason Kmail has caused me too much hassle >> > recently , >> > >> > all was well untill the update to KDE 4.8.1 then every time >> > i send a mail it closes claws down if i open a compose window then >> > think dont bother and close the window the entire claws vanishes >> > Claws mail is version 3.8.0 on Arch Linux as in sig block below >> >> Have you tried starting claws from a console window? >> Certain "closing" could be the effect of the application crashing. >> >> Cheers, >> Kevin >> > > Just found it also happens with Bluefish close an unwanted page bang > gone completely > > So is it a GTK /KDE thing or a GTK / X thing .. Probably a oxygen-gtk thing. -- rex ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE 4.8.1 doing strange things with some applications
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 09:45:13 -0500 Rex Dieter wrote: > pete wrote: > > > On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:05:48 +0100 > > Kevin Krammer wrote: > > > >> On Tuesday, 2012-03-20, pete wrote: > >> > Hi .. > >> > > >> > I am having a few strange interactions here with KDE4.8.1 i use > >> > claws mail for the simple reason Kmail has caused me too much > >> > hassle recently , > >> > > >> > all was well untill the update to KDE 4.8.1 then every time > >> > i send a mail it closes claws down if i open a compose window > >> > then think dont bother and close the window the entire claws > >> > vanishes Claws mail is version 3.8.0 on Arch Linux as in sig > >> > block below > >> > >> Have you tried starting claws from a console window? > >> Certain "closing" could be the effect of the application crashing. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Kevin > >> > > > > Just found it also happens with Bluefish close an unwanted page > > bang gone completely > > > > So is it a GTK /KDE thing or a GTK / X thing .. > > Probably a oxygen-gtk thing. > > -- rex > > > ___ > This message is from the kde mailing list. > Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. > Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. > More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. Hi .. Good point not seen any updates for that lot pity it makes life a real pain. Pete . -- Linux 7-of-9 3.2.11-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Mar 15 09:19:02 CET 2012 x86_64 AMD Phenom(tm) 9600B Quad-Core Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE 4.8.1 doing strange things with some applications
Found the solution, thanks to Duncan and rex for pointing to [oxygen-]GTK. Systemsettings -> Look and feel of applications (translated) -> Gtk config, thange the theme from oxygen-gtk to something else. I wanted to file a bug, but this has been done already: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=295875 Duncan writes: > Alex Schuster posted on Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:57:38 +0100 as excerpted: > > pete writes: > But based on the behavior you mention, with it happening in other DEs > besides kde with your regular user, but not with a new user... except in > kde... > > It sounds to me like it might be due to some bit of the gtk > configuration, or some such. Of course, claws-mail is a gtk-based app... Right! > Note that with the xorg-server 1.12 update came inputproto 2.2, with > multitouch support. AFAIK some bits of gtk3 have multitouch support > already, provided it's supported by X, and if you have that on your > system (I don't, only gtk2), a rebuild of various bits of it against the > new xorg bits may be in order. I assume you did a revdep-rebuild, Wonko? Not so often, but all is okay. [Whoops, Kontact crashed at this moment, but when restarting this mail I'm composing is intact.] > Also, it's worth noting that I do *NOT* use FEATURES=preserve-libs due to > various issues I had with it early on. IMO it's MUCH simpler to just let > the old libs be pulled and let revdep-rebuild detect and fix the > problems, than to monkey around trying to troubleshoot issues due to > stale libs still being on the system, apps trying to load both the new > and the old one together, etc. YMMV but if you have it on, you might > consider turning it off, and see if over time, your number of mysterious > issues goes down. Here, I could probably troubleshoot individual > problems, but it really /is/ just simpler to disable the feature > entirely, and let revdep-rebuild do its job without preserve-libs > throwing a spanner in the works! I like this feature very much. And in my opinion Gentoo without was somewhat broken. When a library is being updated to a new major version, applications not linked against the new version do not work, until revdep-rebuild has run. With the preserved-libs, there are no such issues. And it seems to work fine here. When the feature was new, there were occasional problems with stuff being rebuilt over and over again, but this did not happen again. Except for googleearth, which probably just does not pick up the new library. > > P.S. when sending this mail, KMail asks for the SMTP server's password. > > Why doesn't it use the KDE wallet this time? These are those problems > > that made me switch to Claws. I'll restart Kontact and try again. > > AFAIK it's akonadi that actually handles mail passwords, etc, now. For fetching yes, as that's done by Akonadi in the background, but for sending the mechanism should be as ever. And it worked after arestart. Oh well. > At least back in the 4.6 era just coming up on 4.7, when I exterminated > akonadi from my system, one of my frustrations with the whole thing was > that I have something like a half-dozen email accounts. When I logged in > or otherwise restarted akonadi, it would stall them all waiting for the > kwallet password for the first one, but if I provided it, the others > would remain stalled, until I manually stopped their fetchs and restarted > them. And I had to do that within the kwallet password timeout, or > they'd have the same problem once again. When I log in, the wallet is being opened as one of the first things to happen, and most of the time this works fine. Sometimes, I get KMail/Akonadi mail password requests before that, but I can simply cancel them, and later it works after I open the wallet. > What was worse, if I wasn't interested in mail ATM and simply canceled > out, then at the next timed check, they'd ALL come up individually, each > needing it's individual password, with NO second chance to sign in with > kwallet. Right, I know this effect. I think it's still the same, but I don't bother to try this now, I already spent too much time resolving this Claws problem. > It could also be that the mail server is having problems ATM, and what > you're seeing is just how they end up being presented to the user via > akonadi/kmail. No, that was okay. Whatever, it only happened once, I have more annoying problems :) Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE 4.8.1 doing strange things with some applications
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 09:45:13 -0500 Rex Dieter wrote: > pete wrote: > > > On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:05:48 +0100 > > Kevin Krammer wrote: > > > >> On Tuesday, 2012-03-20, pete wrote: > >> > Hi .. > >> > > >> > I am having a few strange interactions here with KDE4.8.1 i use > >> > claws mail for the simple reason Kmail has caused me too much > >> > hassle recently , > >> > > >> > all was well untill the update to KDE 4.8.1 then every time > >> > i send a mail it closes claws down if i open a compose window > >> > then think dont bother and close the window the entire claws > >> > vanishes Claws mail is version 3.8.0 on Arch Linux as in sig > >> > block below > >> > >> Have you tried starting claws from a console window? > >> Certain "closing" could be the effect of the application crashing. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Kevin > >> > > > > Just found it also happens with Bluefish close an unwanted page > > bang gone completely > > > > So is it a GTK /KDE thing or a GTK / X thing .. > > Probably a oxygen-gtk thing. > > -- rex > > > ___ > This message is from the kde mailing list. > Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. > Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. > More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. Hi Rex yes thanks magic back to rights again Pete . -- Linux 7-of-9 3.2.12-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Mar 19 17:50:01 CET 2012 x86_64 AMD Phenom(tm) 9600B Quad-Core Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE 4.8.1 doing strange things with some applications
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 09:45:13 -0500 Rex Dieter wrote: > pete wrote: > > > On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:05:48 +0100 > > Kevin Krammer wrote: > > > >> On Tuesday, 2012-03-20, pete wrote: > >> > Hi .. > >> > > >> > I am having a few strange interactions here with KDE4.8.1 i use > >> > claws mail for the simple reason Kmail has caused me too much > >> > hassle recently , > >> > > >> > all was well untill the update to KDE 4.8.1 then every time > >> > i send a mail it closes claws down if i open a compose window > >> > then think dont bother and close the window the entire claws > >> > vanishes Claws mail is version 3.8.0 on Arch Linux as in sig > >> > block below > >> > >> Have you tried starting claws from a console window? > >> Certain "closing" could be the effect of the application crashing. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Kevin > >> > > > > Just found it also happens with Bluefish close an unwanted page > > bang gone completely > > > > So is it a GTK /KDE thing or a GTK / X thing .. > > Probably a oxygen-gtk thing. > > -- rex > > > ___ > This message is from the kde mailing list. > Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. > Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. > More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. Well that almost completely fixed it still happens if i try to close a window in Bluefish I'll post that on the Bluefish list as well .. Pete . -- Linux 7-of-9 3.2.12-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Mar 19 17:50:01 CET 2012 x86_64 AMD Phenom(tm) 9600B Quad-Core Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE 4.8.1 doing strange things with some applications
On 03/22/12 04:30, pete wrote: On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 09:45:13 -0500 Rex Dieter wrote: pete wrote: On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:05:48 +0100 Kevin Krammer wrote: On Tuesday, 2012-03-20, pete wrote: Hi .. I am having a few strange interactions here with KDE4.8.1 i use claws mail for the simple reason Kmail has caused me too much hassle recently , all was well untill the update to KDE 4.8.1 then every time i send a mail it closes claws down if i open a compose window then think dont bother and close the window the entire claws vanishes Claws mail is version 3.8.0 on Arch Linux as in sig block below Have you tried starting claws from a console window? Certain "closing" could be the effect of the application crashing. Cheers, Kevin Just found it also happens with Bluefish close an unwanted page bang gone completely So is it a GTK /KDE thing or a GTK / X thing .. Probably a oxygen-gtk thing. -- rex ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. Hi Rex yes thanks magic back to rights again Pete . You may like to use gtk-engines-qtpixmap with gtk-engines-qtcurve. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE 4.8.1 doing strange things with some applications
On 03/21/12 03:56, Duncan wrote: Alex Schuster posted on Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:57:38 +0100 as excerpted: pete writes: I am having a few strange interactions here with KDE4.8.1 i use claws mail for the simple reason Kmail has caused me too much hassle recently , Me too, for daily use. For encrypted mails or local folders I still use KMail. Or when Claws crashes after sending a mail like now. Claws-mail all the way, here. I dumped that akonadi abomination and along with it (Gentoo) USE=semantic-desktop entirely, like the scourge it turned out to be to my system! all was well untill the update to KDE 4.8.1 then every time i send a mail it closes claws down if i open a compose window then think dont bother and close the window the entire claws vanishes Claws mail is version 3.8.0 on Arch Linux as in sig block below Exactly the same happens here on Gentoo Linux since this morning. I am running 4.8.1 since two weeks ago, but there was an update to 4.8.1-r1 three days ago, and I did not log out of KDE since today. But there was also an update to Xorg yesterday, from 1.11.4 to 1.12.0. Absolutely no such issues, here (also on Gentoo, ~amd64/no-multilib FWIW, with the kde, x11 and mozilla overlays). I too have the xorg-server 1.12.0 update, kde 4.8.1, etc. One big difference, however, would be that I've disabled semantic-desktop entirely, and don't have kdepim or akonadi or any of that stuff on the system. So all this Akonadi stuff comes via [semantic-desktop]? I'd a bad time disabling it, so it's enabled for now. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE 4.8.1 doing strange things with some applications
On Friday, 2012-03-23, dE . wrote: > On 03/21/12 03:56, Duncan wrote: > > Alex Schuster posted on Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:57:38 +0100 as excerpted: > >> pete writes: > >>> I am having a few strange interactions here with KDE4.8.1 i use claws > >>> mail for the simple reason Kmail has caused me too much hassle recently > >>> > >>> , > >> > >> Me too, for daily use. For encrypted mails or local folders I still use > >> KMail. Or when Claws crashes after sending a mail like now. > > > > Claws-mail all the way, here. I dumped that akonadi abomination and > > along with it (Gentoo) USE=semantic-desktop entirely, like the scourge it > > turned out to be to my system! > > > >>> all was well untill the update to KDE 4.8.1 then every time > >>> > >>> i send a mail it closes claws down if i open a compose window then > >>> think dont bother and close the window the entire claws vanishes Claws > >>> mail is version 3.8.0 on Arch Linux as in sig block below > >> > >> Exactly the same happens here on Gentoo Linux since this morning. I am > >> running 4.8.1 since two weeks ago, but there was an update to 4.8.1-r1 > >> three days ago, and I did not log out of KDE since today. But there was > >> also an update to Xorg yesterday, from 1.11.4 to 1.12.0. > > > > Absolutely no such issues, here (also on Gentoo, ~amd64/no-multilib FWIW, > > with the kde, x11 and mozilla overlays). I too have the xorg-server > > 1.12.0 update, kde 4.8.1, etc. One big difference, however, would be > > that I've disabled semantic-desktop entirely, and don't have kdepim or > > akonadi or any of that stuff on the system. > > So all this Akonadi stuff comes via [semantic-desktop]? Unlikely, the technoligies themselves are unrelated and Gentoo usually doesn't add artifical dependenices (AFAIK). Some KDEPIM applications are users of both though, so they might look related. But I would be surprised if they were on their package level. Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE 4.8.1 doing strange things with some applications
On 03/23/12 21:02, Kevin Krammer wrote: On Friday, 2012-03-23, dE . wrote: On 03/21/12 03:56, Duncan wrote: Alex Schuster posted on Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:57:38 +0100 as excerpted: pete writes: I am having a few strange interactions here with KDE4.8.1 i use claws mail for the simple reason Kmail has caused me too much hassle recently , Me too, for daily use. For encrypted mails or local folders I still use KMail. Or when Claws crashes after sending a mail like now. Claws-mail all the way, here. I dumped that akonadi abomination and along with it (Gentoo) USE=semantic-desktop entirely, like the scourge it turned out to be to my system! all was well untill the update to KDE 4.8.1 then every time i send a mail it closes claws down if i open a compose window then think dont bother and close the window the entire claws vanishes Claws mail is version 3.8.0 on Arch Linux as in sig block below Exactly the same happens here on Gentoo Linux since this morning. I am running 4.8.1 since two weeks ago, but there was an update to 4.8.1-r1 three days ago, and I did not log out of KDE since today. But there was also an update to Xorg yesterday, from 1.11.4 to 1.12.0. Absolutely no such issues, here (also on Gentoo, ~amd64/no-multilib FWIW, with the kde, x11 and mozilla overlays). I too have the xorg-server 1.12.0 update, kde 4.8.1, etc. One big difference, however, would be that I've disabled semantic-desktop entirely, and don't have kdepim or akonadi or any of that stuff on the system. So all this Akonadi stuff comes via [semantic-desktop]? Unlikely, the technoligies themselves are unrelated and Gentoo usually doesn't add artifical dependenices (AFAIK). Some KDEPIM applications are users of both though, so they might look related. But I would be surprised if they were on their package level. Cheers, Kevin Humm... thanks for the pointers, this's what I found - equery depends app-office/akonadi-server * These packages depend on app-office/akonadi-server: kde-base/kdepim-common-libs-4.7.4 (>=app-office/akonadi-server-1.3.60) kde-base/kdepim-runtime-4.7.4 (>=app-office/akonadi-server-1.3.60) kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.7.4-r1 (semantic-desktop ? >=app-office/akonadi-server-1.5.80) query depends kde-base/kdepim-common-libs * These packages depend on kde-base/kdepim-common-libs: kde-base/knotes-4.7.4 (>=kde-base/kdepim-common-libs-4.7.4:4[aqua=]) ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE 4.8.1 doing strange things with some applications
dE . posted on Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:25:23 +0530 as excerpted: > On 03/23/12 21:02, Kevin Krammer wrote: >> On Friday, 2012-03-23, dE . wrote: >>> On 03/21/12 03:56, Duncan wrote: One big difference, however, would be that I've disabled semantic-desktop entirely, and don't have kdepim or akonadi or any of that stuff on the system. >>> So all this Akonadi stuff comes via [semantic-desktop]? >> Unlikely, the technoligies themselves are unrelated and Gentoo usually >> doesn't add artifical dependenices (AFAIK). >> >> Some KDEPIM applications are users of both though, so they might look >> related. But I would be surprised if they were on their package level. > Humm... thanks for the pointers, this's what I found - > > equery depends app-office/akonadi-server > * These packages depend on app-office/akonadi-server: > kde-base/kdepim-common-libs-4.7.4 (>=app-office/akonadi-server-1.3.60) > kde-base/kdepim-runtime-4.7.4 (>=app-office/akonadi-server-1.3.60) > kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.7.4-r1 (semantic-desktop ? > >=app-office/akonadi-server-1.5.80) > > query depends kde-base/kdepim-common-libs > * These packages depend on kde-base/kdepim-common-libs: > kde-base/knotes-4.7.4 (>=kde-base/kdepim-common-libs-4.7.4:4[aqua=]) The key point re gentoo/kde with semantic-desktop is that they have "=" depends (as opposed to "?" depends) for anything with semantic-desktop. Which meant that if you wanted one thing with semantic-desktop, it had to be turned on for the entire kit-n-kaboodle. Now, it makes sense that if you want semantic-desktop support for say, dolphin, that kdelibs must be built with it as well. But the reverse, that if you have kdelibs built with semantic-desktop, dolphin must be built with it as well, does-not-follow. Dolphin depends on kdelibs and kdelibs needs semantic-desktop support for dolphin to have it, but kdelibs does not depend on dolphin, nor should dolphin be forced to semantic- desktop support just because kdelibs has it. That would be modeled by "?" deps. Again using the dolphin example, dolphin should have this dependency: kde-base/kdelibs[semantic-desktop?] But kdelibs wouldn't care about how dolphin was built. Instead, the dolphin dependency is (the equivalent of): kde-base/kdelibs[semantic-desktop=] That forces dolphin to be built with semantic-desktop if kdelibs is, which doesn't make sense. Complicating things further, using akonadi effectively forces semantic- desktop on for kdelibs. The actual dependency is a bit convoluted and there's several package dependency layers in between, but the final effect is that akonadi ultimately requires that kdelibs be built with USE=semantic-desktop. And as I said above, due to all those forced = deps that really SHOULD be ? deps, that forces ALL installed kde packages that have the semantic- desktop USE flag to enable it as well. And since anything kdepim related pulls in kdepim-common-libs as a dependency, and kdepim-common-libs pulls in akonadi-server, that means that the moment you install anything kdepim related, even if it doesn't itself (yet) require akonadi, it pullsin kdepim-common-libs, which DOES require akonadi-server, which in turn forces kdelibs to USE=semantic- desktop, which in turn forces it for everything ELSE kde related that uses semantic-desktop. Thus, at least as the gentoo/kde deps are currently configured, the moment you install anything kdepim related, it forces semantic-desktop for EVERYTHING kde related. The key to turning off semantic-desktop for ANYTHING, then, is to uninstall anything that's part of kdepim, so that kdepim-common-libs can be uninstalled, so that akonadi-server can be uninstalled, so that kdelibs no longer has to be compiled with USE=semantic-desktop to support akonadi, which now allows semantic-desktop to be toggled -- as a single option for everything else due to those = deps -- for the rest of kde. But if any part of kdepim is installed, it forces kdepim-common-libs which forces akonadi-server which forces semantic-desktop ON kdelibs, which forces it on for ALL of kde due to the = deps. Thus, the ONLY way to get rid of USE=semantic-desktop is to kill anything kdepim related thus allowing akonadi-server to be uninstalled. So why the cursed = deps? That is a bit of a long story, and in fact if you read the monthly gentoo/ kde meeting announcements as posted on the gentoo-desktop list, you'll see that they're actively debating changing it back to ? deps, thus solving a huge part of the problem (tho akonadi-server would still indirectly force USE=semantic-desktop for kdelibs, and anything kdepim based would indirectly pull in akonadi-server via kdepim-common-libs, but at least the rest of kde could be built without semantic-desktop, while keeping people's kdepim apps of choice). But the short form of the story is that apparently, back in the early kde4 era when all these components and their dependencies were still evolving, ge
