Re: Can't move windows anymore
Jerome Yuzyk posted on Tue, 23 May 2017 23:53:05 -0600 as excerpted: > [KDE 4.14.30 on Fedora 25] > > The darnedest thing: suddenly I can't move a window by grabbing the > title bar. > Neither full height windows nor dialogs. Others have reported this, but > mostly in past releases. It seems I need to kill the kwin process and > restart it with "kwin --replace". Failing that, logout and back in. I'd > rather not do that. > > First off, I don't have a "kwin" process, though I do have a "kwin_x11" > process. Secondly, is "kwin --replace" the right way to start kwin? Using the replace option is indeed the correct way, and yes, it's kwin_x11 now, tho I had /thought/ that change was in plasma5 for kde-frameworks5, not kde4, which would make sense given that the devs didn't really focus on wayland porting and thus need the _x11 specifier suffix until 5. I'm a gentooer not a fedora guy[1], so wouldn't know, but are you sure you're not getting that 4.14.30 off of the legacy kdelibs4 that's still around to support apps that haven't been ported to frameworks5 yet, and you're actually running the plasma5 by kde desktop? FWIW, running (in a terminal window, konsole or whatever) ldd /path/to/kwin_x11 should confirm one way or the other for sure, as it'll either list libQt5* and libKF5* libs, or qt4/kde4 versions. If it's the 5 versions as I expect, it's plasma5. Of course you can probably query your package manager to see what package and version contains the kwin_x11 file, but how to do that is package manager specific, and my telling you how to do it on gentoo using portage isn't going to help you much. But ldd is standard, shipped as a troubleshooting script by glibc, unless your distro has split it out separately. Anyway... with xorg at least, there's exactly one window manager allowed, so pretty much any window manager should either replace whatever else is the current window manager by default, or have a parameter like kwin's --replace, to do it. If kwin is not run with the --replace parameter, it'll check to see if another window manager is already running, and will simply quit if so -- --replace is required to actually replace an existing window manager (including an earlier copy of kwin itself). So yes, running it with the --replace parameter is correct. =:^) Of course if you're running wayland the rules will differ a bit. I'm not running it yet here, so don't know the details, but I guess Fedora 25 runs wayland by default, with a gnome shell session anyway. What it does for a kde/plasma session I don't know, tho I'd guess it doesn't run wayland by default for kde/plasma, as while they're working on it, plasma on wayland definitely wasn't ready for fedora 25, and while from reports it's working reasonably well in live-git plasma now, I seriously doubt it'll make it into fedora 26, either, but may well make fedora 27. FWIW, I'm actually running live-git kde-frameworks/plasma/apps here (via the gentoo/kde project's overlay ebuilds), and due to various normally temporary instability issues with the live-git builds, I have a variety of hotkey shortcuts setup to reset/restart various plasma components, including krunner, plasmashell (was plasma-desktop in kde4), kwin_x11, sni-proxy (the applet that provides compatibility for legacy tray applets that don't do things the new way yet), etc, should they go unstable and need reset/restarted. =:^) So here when kwin starts acting up on me, I just hit a couple keys to trigger the hotkey launcher for it, and I'm back in business. And yes, kwin_x11 --replace is exactly what the kwin relauncher is configured to do. =:^) --- [1] I always did dislike hats, unless it's down near or below freezing. Might that be related to the fact that I never was much one for red hat, preferring mandrake even back when I did binary-based distros (I've been on gentoo for nearing a decade and a half, now, as I quickly outgrew binary distros along with my Linux newbie status and wanted more control over my own systems than the binary distros normally give you)? Hard to say, but I suppose it's possible it had some subconscious biasing effect. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
Re: Can't move windows anymore
On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 6:22:06 PM MDT Duncan wrote: > Jerome Yuzyk posted on Tue, 23 May 2017 23:53:05 -0600 as excerpted: > > [KDE 4.14.30 on Fedora 25] > > > > The darnedest thing: suddenly I can't move a window by grabbing the > > title bar. > > Neither full height windows nor dialogs. Others have reported this, but > > mostly in past releases. It seems I need to kill the kwin process and > > restart it with "kwin --replace". Failing that, logout and back in. I'd > > rather not do that. > > > > First off, I don't have a "kwin" process, though I do have a "kwin_x11" > > process. Secondly, is "kwin --replace" the right way to start kwin? > > Using the replace option is indeed the correct way, and yes, it's kwin_x11 > now, tho I had /thought/ that change was in plasma5 for kde-frameworks5, > not kde4, which would make sense given that the devs didn't really focus > on wayland porting and thus need the _x11 specifier suffix until 5. I'm > a gentooer not a fedora guy[1], so wouldn't know, but are you sure you're > not getting that 4.14.30 off of the legacy kdelibs4 that's still around > to support apps that haven't been ported to frameworks5 yet, and you're > actually running the plasma5 by kde desktop? Thanks. I'll have to file it away for next time. Since I had a large set of F25 updates I put off because there was a pile of KDE stuff I did the upgrade- reboot. I like long uptimes and that seems to trigger the bug with the latest- ish release that F25 provides. I'll find out in a couple months, maybe.
Re: Can't move windows anymore
Hi ! , On Tue, 2017-05-23 at 23:53 -0600, Jerome Yuzyk wrote: > [KDE 4.14.30 on Fedora 25] > where or you get KDE 4.14.30 on Fedora 25 ? or you mean by that ? , I use kde-workspace-4.11.22-20.fc25.x86_64 on my desktop [1] and I publish my builds on [2], all applications like konsole, we don't change it, I use the system ones, I can use systemsettings5 and systemsettings , it is quite fun and works almost 100%, i. e. have the same bugs not new ones :) . [2] https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/sergiomb/kde4for23/ [1] rpm -qf /usr/bin/kwin kde-workspace-4.11.22-20.fc25.x86_64 ps -ef | grep -P " k|kde|kwin" root 39 2 0 mai21 ? 00:00:00 [kdevtmpfs] root 1662 1028 0 mai21 ? 00:00:00 /usr/libexec/sddm-helper --socket /tmp/sddm-auth6b3b7e5a-1685-4b5e-bf01-f8fcc5bb62f5 --id 1 --start /usr/bin/ startkde --user sergio sergio 1693 1662 0 mai21 ? 00:00:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/startkde sergio 1838 1693 0 mai21 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent /bin/sh -c exec -l /bin/bash -c "/usr/bin/startkde" sergio 1915 1 0 mai21 ? 00:00:00 /usr/libexec/kde4/start_kdeinit +kcminit_startup sergio 1916 1 0 mai21 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit4: kdeinit4 Running... sergio 1917 1916 0 mai21 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit4: klauncher [kdeinit] --fd=9 sergio 1919 1 0 mai21 ? 00:00:40 kdeinit4: kded4 [kdeinit] sergio 1925 1 0 mai21 ? 00:00:02 kdeinit4: kglobalaccel [kdeinit] sergio 1937 1693 0 mai21 ? 00:00:00 kwrapper4 ksmserver sergio 1944 1916 0 mai21 ? 00:00:13 kdeinit4: ksmserver [kdeinit] sergio 2012 1944 0 mai21 ? 00:33:14 kwin -session 10dfcedf750001450024408015026_1495328060_557005 sergio 2024 1916 0 mai21 ? 00:00:13 /usr/libexec/kf5/polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1 sergio 2029 1916 0 mai21 ? 00:00:31 /usr/libexec/kdeconnectd sergio 2035 1 0 mai21 ? 00:01:09 kdeinit4: krunner [kdeinit] sergio 2036 1 0 mai21 ? 00:35:24 kdeinit4: plasma-desktop [kdeinit] sergio 2117 1916 0 mai21 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/xsettings-kde sergio 2147 1 0 mai21 ? 00:00:20 kmix -session 10dfcedf7500014881495460018710036_1495328060_351064 sergio 2264 1666 0 mai21 ? 00:00:29 /usr/bin/kded5 sergio 2287 1666 0 mai21 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit5: Running... sergio 2303 1 0 mai21 ? 00:00:23 kdeinit4: klipper [kdeinit] sergio 5929 1916 0 02:42 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit4: kio_http [kdeinit] http local:/run/ > The darnedest thing: suddenly I can't move a window by grabbing the > title bar. > Neither full height windows nor dialogs. Others have reported this, > but mostly > in past releases. It seems I need to kill the kwin process and > restart it with > "kwin --replace". Failing that, logout and back in. I'd rather not do > that. > > First off, I don't have a "kwin" process, though I do have a > "kwin_x11" > process. Secondly, is "kwin --replace" the right way to start kwin? > I run kwin from my package kde-workspace-4.11.22 from https://cgit.kde.org/kde-workspace.git/?h=KDE%2F4.11 I'd like hear some suggestion ... Best regards, -- Sérgio M. B.
Re: Can't move windows anymore
On Fri, 2017-05-26 at 20:42 -0600, Jerome Yuzyk wrote: > Hello. I was told KDE 4.14.30 by Konqueror's Help->About KDE. ah that is right , only Konqueror still built with KDE 4.14 , but for fedora 26 we got konqueror built with kf5 , last build of kde-baseapps with konqueror is 16.08.3-2.fc25 [1] after we got konqueror alone in [2] BTW my kde4-plasma project is based on that kde 4.14 libs , but except kde4-plasmoids you may try my kde4 konqueor build [3] or also new konqueror [4] [3] dnf --disablerepo='*' --enablerepo=sergiomb-kde4for23 install konqueror-0:16.08.3-4.fc25.x86_64 --allowerasing [4] dnf --disablerepo='*' --enablerepo=sergiomb-kde4for23 update konqueror [1] https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=839642 [2] https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=23606 -- Sérgio M. B.
Re: Can't move windows anymore
On Sat, 2017-05-27 at 17:10 +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: > but except kde4-plasmoids and kcm (thing to appears icons in system settings almost all is kf5 from Fedora proper. -- Sérgio M. B.
