[kmymoney] [Bug 469431] Need better way to handle changes in stock price quote source
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=469431 --- Comment #49 from KB.claim --- (In reply to Brendan from comment #48) > As a user for almost 20 years I find this comment pretty insulting to the > developers and the users. > > "kmm is not for the masses, it is an experimental tool with no visible > development, non existent documentation and "mail lists"." > > Go find a version from 20 years ago and tell me there has been no visible > development. I'm extremely glad that's not what I was told before I started > using KMM. I have found the developers to be very helpful when I run into > issues and Thomas has gone way above and beyond helping track down online > banking issues for me over the years. > > While development has essentially stopped on 5.1 for a while now, that's > because the focus is on the master version, which you are welcome to run. Of > course, it's not released so it's actually experimental to some degree. > > The Yahoo issue has been a problem, but blaming the KMM team make little > sense. It would be nice to find the perfect solution, but sometimes that's > in the eye of the beholder. I have no problem editing the Yahoo settings > when there is a problem. Tracking down the latest settings is usually as > easy as asking on the mailing list if you don't find it there already. I > also compile KMM weekly (when things were changing) so updating through the > code works for me but releases are pretty rare so that's not a great option > for everyone. Maybe a simple link on the "Update Stock and Currency" window > to a web page that has the latest settings for online quotes would help. > Maybe a link to the KMM Online Quote Settings page in the same window would > also help, but I'm not sure that's possible with the existing code. > > For now, I hope they focus on releasing the master and then maybe some > wishlist items can get in their queue. > > They say you get what you pay for but I think KMM is an example where we get > a lot more than we pay for. > > I suggest you either offer helpful suggestions and deal with what we have or > find some other program to track you finances. Or better yet, join the > development team and make some visible improvements. > > Brendan Coupe agree, "freak" is most likely the wrong word, let's use nerds, geeks, enthusiasts. your and the other comments just confirm that kmm is not for the masses, the masses have no idea what nightly builds are, cannot compile (which includes me), have no idea what a mailing list is, or regexp, and most likely cannot even properly install kmm, and so on, i.e. not for the masses, just for the enthusiasts, who have worked themselves into a vast number of software developemtn and admin tools. There is no word of blame against any developer from my side, i am solely describing the user experience, and the status of the program as perceived by someone not being that "nerd, geek, enthusiast" to understand all these tools. The kmm website states to want to be the easiest tool to use or so - sorry, just as objectively as possible - this is far from the truth. Nothing is easy with kmm, installation, documentation, setup, online rates, depot/stocks, reports. It really needs considerable time to test and try to get ahead and there is 0 approachable documentation on most topics. My contribution to the project is here - by giving uncomfortable status. I was starting to help with the documentation, but there is no way i found to reasonably contribute. Send comments to jack, about what? An completely outdated pdf guide? I have not found a documentation project where one can edit ... It appears you can retrieve stock quotes - i cant and have searched and tried and tested for days and many hours. Can you post here how you get the rates updated and FX? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 469431] Need better way to handle changes in stock price quote source
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=469431 --- Comment #45 from KB.claim --- (In reply to Brendon Higgins from comment #44) > Hello all, > > I think we may be (finally) getting to the nub of the real issue regarding > the downside of KMyMoney's approach to gathering online quote data: It does > very little to guide the user to a solution when something breaks. The user > must first know that they should go into Settings->Online Quotes. Then they > must select the relevant quote source. Then they must edit any number of > fields of URLs and regex to match the HTML which the source returns. All of > those things are very technical and require existing knowledge. > > I appreciate this flexibility, but it's also obvious how anyone who is not > so technically inclined or has limited time will find it all very > frustrating. I don't think KMyMoney needs to automate all of this away, but > what could go a very long way to easing the pain is if KMyMoney were to at > least guide the user somewhere to find a solution. > > So, a proposal: Why don't we make a page on, say, KDE Userbase to keep track > of the latest working settings (known good as of X date), and add a > prominent link to that page from within KMyMoney? That way, when a user sees > that something's wrong, they will immediately go to the "canonical" place to > see how (if yet known) to fix it. > > This is a perrenial problem (multiple bug reports everytime something > triggers this), and I think something like the above would really help users > deal with it (instead of arguing on bug channels) while also being more > self-reliant. > > Best, > Brendon Good suggestion, and thanks for describing the user experience. kmm is for freaks and developers mostly, otherwise the tons of messages over the 20 or so options in the "support" section would not be filled with user comments - most of these are developers i guess or very skilled computer users who play around with regex for a while before opening a bugreport (which in itself is something one must register for and understand). Certainly nothing for "joe regular". However, good suggestion, let's see if this is possible. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 469431] Need better way to handle changes in stock price quote source
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=469431 --- Comment #42 from KB.claim --- (In reply to Thomas Baumgart from comment #41) > Thanks to all who were chasing the code of Portfolio-Performance. I took a > look and not surprisingly, it does the same as ours, just differently. > > On the pros side I only see the capability to update changes in a > centralized fashion but that relies on a code change that only selected > people (developers) can do and requires an update of the whole program after > a change. So the burden to provide a working version is on the developers. > > The way KMyMoney tackles the data extraction functionality is more flexible > and allows the users to make necessary modifications themselves without > intervention of any developer when the data provider changes their URL or > page format by simply posting the updated value to a forum and/or mailing > list. > > This is a problem without a 100% solution and we will be bitten again in the > future when the data provider decides to make changes for whatever reason. > Since the whole topic as a known issue without a solution I will close it > here for good and classify it as a downstream problem. if portfolio performance on a technical level does the same i cannot say. as a user i can say there is a massive difference. in portfolio performance there was not a single issue with the update of stock prices / FX. in kmymoney they are permanent and so much that its the normal that updates dont work. a mailing list to distribute updates - please can you explain which mailing list and how that works, because I always ended up googling for hours when updates failed again - often for days until this could be resolved. I understand that the developer changed mode is certainly not an option for mMyMoney which has not been updated for 18 month or so. i think the online price updates are an essential feature for a personal accounting tool. kmm is not for the masses, it is an experimental tool with no visible development, non existent documentation and "mail lists". All fine, but it should be marked and described as such, as experimental tool that is not maintained and functions just disappear, such that people like me who are interested in managing their finances are not "lured" into a experimental software project. I wished such information was available when I researched the alternatives, e.g. GnuCash and MMX. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 469431] Need better way to handle changes in stock price quote source
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=469431 --- Comment #37 from KB.claim --- (In reply to jesse from comment #36) > I used this as a solution and it worked well to get the stock quotes. > https://discuss.kde.org/t/kmymoney-updating-stock-mutual-fund-issue/1228/19 > > I think this will continue to be an ongoing issue due to the fact that Yahoo > changes the site. Unless there is a site that provides data through a free > API, which I have not found one, it will be difficult to ensure that this > never breaks again. > > Is there any open source projects that would offer this? I doubt it as all > programs that offer it as a service are not free-to-use. usually they come > with a price/cost, and some of that is most likely used to pay for the back > end services. > Would it be worth to ping the developers of other FOSS Financial software to > see how they are handling this? Excellent post. Indeed there is one FOSS project that works incredible well with finance data and for many years not a single problem: Portfolio-Performance: https://www.portfolio-performance.info/en/ -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 469431] Need better way to handle changes in stock price quote source
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=469431 --- Comment #29 from KB.claim --- (In reply to Ralf Habacker from comment #28) > (In reply to KB.claim from comment #27) > > > IS THERE ANY HINT ON WHICH DATA SOURCE FOR ONLINE RATES WORKS WITH kMyMoney > > AND HOW THIS CAN BE SETUP? > > In the settings dialog for the online quote source, you can try out this URL > as a CSV URL > https://query1.finance.yahoo.com/v7/finance/download/%1- > %2?events=history&includeAdjustedClose=true Not working. I cannot get any stock rates from any of the sources mentioned, and also FX rates are only working occasional. > A fairly new approach is to use a build from the 'alkquotes' branch of the > kmymoney git repo, see > https://invent.kde.org/office/kmymoney/-/tree/work/thb/ > alkquotes?ref_type=heads, which includes support for using online quotes > from https://store.kde.org. > A corresponding online course source from yahoo.com has been provided, see > https://store.kde.org/p/1284581/ and should be usable with the mentioned > build. Thanks for the info, but I have no idea how to bring this to a solution for my problem. I do my accounting, want to update rates for FX and stocks to see the balance. Yet bug reports are needed, trying this, doing that, branching here, sourcing there. Most of the stuff I have an idea what is meant but no idea how this can be used to solve the issue as a user. > > I use portfolio performance for years and had not the slightest problems > > getting online rates. > > You are using an online source with a stable interface ? But that can't be > Yahoo in my opinion. Here is the website of portfolio-performance, which I use for many years and had not a single issue with rates updates. https://www.portfolio-performance.info/ Thats why I asked the next question, why this permanently and for many years makes issues in kMyMoney. I am totally unsure what to do next, kMyMoney seems to be a - sorry to say - student playground where basic and fundamental features are not implemented or faulty for n years. There are no releases coming of kMyMoney, the last one was 15 month ago! The documentation is really bad and outdated and basically non existent therefore. The websites are terrible complicated, just see the download page for windows for example, feedback to a mailing list. The whole thing therefore appears like a developers playground, and nothing made for users or a non-developer audience. Am I wrong here? I started with kMyMoney and am really not sure if this was a wise choice for the above said. Instead of managing my finances I write comments here about this and that -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 469431] Need better way to handle changes in stock price quote source
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=469431 KB.claim changed: What|Removed |Added CC||kb.cl...@gmail.com --- Comment #27 from KB.claim --- Is there any news on getting online quotes? I started using kMyMoney 6 month ago, and since then there are permanent issues with the online quotes. First yahoo started to fail (and it seems to do so still), then after another weekend of researching and trying finally finance-quote worked. Sadly this one is not working anymore, no idea what it is this time that fails - its really frustrating - instaed of a few minutes to update the accounting again the tool fails! IS THERE ANY HINT ON WHICH DATA SOURCE FOR ONLINE RATES WORKS WITH kMyMoney AND HOW THIS CAN BE SETUP? I use portfolio performance for years and had not the slightest problems getting online rates. Why can kmyMoney not implement a stable data source? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 474321] New: Online Quote Config Dialog - Dump CSV not working
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=474321 Bug ID: 474321 Summary: Online Quote Config Dialog - Dump CSV not working Classification: Applications Product: kmymoney Version: 5.1.3 Platform: Microsoft Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Status: REPORTED Severity: normal Priority: NOR Component: general Assignee: kmymoney-de...@kde.org Reporter: kb.cl...@gmail.com Target Milestone: --- Created attachment 161519 --> https://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=161519&action=edit the button wihout function Windows 11. The configuration parameters of a online quote source should be "dumpable". There is a button "dump CSV" but this has no effect, there is no CSV created. Menu -> Settings -> configure kmymoney -> Online Quotes -> Select any source and press "dump CSV" button -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 474293] New: Home Screen Bugs / Missing Features
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=474293 Bug ID: 474293 Summary: Home Screen Bugs / Missing Features Classification: Applications Product: kmymoney Version: 5.1.3 Platform: unspecified OS: All Status: REPORTED Severity: normal Priority: NOR Component: general Assignee: kmymoney-de...@kde.org Reporter: kb.cl...@gmail.com Target Milestone: --- There are several issues in the home screen of kMymoney. 1) Assets & Liabilities: Grouping / arranging of different types of accounts not possible: Accounts should be groupable and the group's sum/total shall be calculated. The 2) Net Worth Forecast: a simple straight line is displayed, timeline cannot be adjusted (i.e. to show some month of past net worth in the left part of the graph, then today, then the forecast), and the balance does not show values or units. None of the chart can be zoomed, or ajusted in size or scale. All of that shall be scalable. 3) The tables are always using the whole window, and thus may be difficult to read, e.g. some text on the far left, and a number on the far right - the space between cannot be reduced. Tables should be adjustable in the dimensions / column width. 4) "Payment Accounts" kind of show the account structure by showing the account itself and its subaccounts, but the sum is not calculated. E.g. a super-acount "Cash" and then three subaccounts, e.g. "Cash Safe", "Cash Pocket", "Cash Wallet". All 4 "Cash accounts" are shown, but "Cash" does not contain the sum of all 3 subaccounts. Also there is no indentation of the subaccounts. It shall be possible to show the account structure, aggregate sums shall be possible, and indentation/grouping shall be possible. 5) "Payment Accounts" seem not to show any preferred accounts. When preferred account flag is set in "Edit Account" then the very account does not show up anymore in the Payment Accounts section. 6) "Payments" ticked on or off has no effect at all - this seems to be a dummy entry in the Configuration of the Home screen? 7) "Asset and Liabilities" show only the specific account currency, but do not show the current value in the main currency. Both currencies shall be shown. 8) How can the Home screen been configured - only via the Tools / Settings Menu? Or is there more that can be setup? A chart for stocks would be great, and another for accounts balance / total wealth. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 474079] deleting an Account does not delete the internal "Opening Balances" Account
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=474079 --- Comment #1 from KB.claim --- Created attachment 161352 --> https://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=161352&action=edit failure shown by consistency check -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 474079] New: deleting an Account does not delete the internal "Opening Balances" Account
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=474079 Bug ID: 474079 Summary: deleting an Account does not delete the internal "Opening Balances" Account Classification: Applications Product: kmymoney Version: 5.1.3 Platform: Other OS: Other Status: REPORTED Severity: normal Priority: NOR Component: general Assignee: kmymoney-de...@kde.org Reporter: kb.cl...@gmail.com Target Milestone: --- SUMMARY *** NOTE: If you are reporting a crash, please try to attach a backtrace with debug symbols. See https://community.kde.org/Guidelines_and_HOWTOs/Debugging/How_to_create_useful_crash_reports *** STEPS TO REPRODUCE 1. for reproduction - Create an account in a foreign currency you are not using at all in your database, e.g. XAU (i.e. other than your usual currency), set an opening balance 2. delete the XAU account - requires to delete the opening transaction first 3. delete all transactions in the XAU currency (if any) 4. delete all price entries for the XAU currency (at least one entry must be there for the account opening) OBSERVED RESULT a. Currency cannot be deleted from tools->Currency b. consistency check failure - it will tell you there exists an "opening balances" account - this must be an internal account as this is nowhere to be seen and cannot be edited. EXPECTED RESULT account deleting will remove the internal opening balances account as well, but does not. SOFTWARE/OS VERSIONS Windows: 11 macOS: Linux/KDE Plasma: (available in About System) KDE Plasma Version: KDE Frameworks Version: Qt Version: ADDITIONAL INFORMATION -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 473522] Description of woob import
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=473522 --- Comment #11 from KB.claim --- Thanks for the comments so far. Interesting "project" kmymoney is - from "lets try to use the online banking" 20h later down to "how to compile sources, or identify whats in the build". I downloaded a nightly build yesterday. 2.1GB in size, but failed to start. Once again - far away from the original problem of accessing the bank data a never ending game it seems. Is there somewhere a description (one that can be understood by normal transaction users) for installation, determination of which modules, etc? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 473522] Description of woob import
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=473522 --- Comment #6 from KB.claim --- (In reply to Jack from comment #3) > aqbanking works just fine, as far as I know, but I don't use it as I'm in > the US, and ofx is the best the banks here offer. I would have to hunt for > it, but aqbanking documentation should exist outside of KMM. > woob SHOULD be found by KMM if it is installed, although I suppose it is > possible it is getting confused about the location. > The next thing to do is invoke the Settings/Configure KMyMoney... menu item, > select the Plugins item on the left side, and find the entry for woob. If > it is present, there might be a checkbox to enable it. However, I suspect > it will not be there, indicating KMM did not find it. > In that case, you need to start KMyMoney from console. I have no access to > a Win11 system, so I don't know the terminology, but you need to bring up a > terminal or console (it used to be CMD.) Then just enter "kmymoney" and hit > enter. If that complains about it not being found, you need to enter the > full path to the kmymoney.exe file. When you do that, there will be lots of > output to the console. You will need to hunt through that to find any > messages about woob. It should say where it looked for the plugin. Post > the relevant lines here, and also where woob is actually installed, and > we'll figure out how to make KMM find it. (In reply to KB.claim from comment #0) > Website > https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/kmymoney/kmymoney/details.impexp.woob.html is > very unspecific about how to use woob in kmymoney. > > How can one get to woob in kmymoney? Via import menu? No idea how to use > woob even when it is installed. > > Additionally the link to the "Woob website" is not working (Please refer to > the instructions on Woob website.) > > The kmymoney documentation sadly is very very unspecific and as vague as the > description for woob. for aqbanking: two aspects to consider 1) the module does not work for me - i am still testing, but it seems in kmymoney most things are not that trivial to achieve. Alone to get the aqbanking running was not easy. However, it runs now, but did not succeed so far to establish a connection. 2) availablity of HBCI - sadly most of my banks do not provide a HBCI interface (anymore). Many go to PST2 (or so) which requires getting a license and registration and i understood that as nothing for end users but for commercial software product makers. for woob: starting via the command line did not bring up any usable message relating to woob. woob is installed and the woob bank module runs. So this should be enough for kmymoney to detect this module (if it searches for it, which is how the comments sounded). However, there is no module in the configuration (settings dialogue) or so. Also mapping an account to a datasource does not give woob as an option. I wanted to try the woob on a ubuntu installation, but same there. woob is installed, the banking module works, but it does not show up anywhere in kmymoney. I am not specifically looking for woob, but a method to import data from all my online banks into kmymoney to avoid typing in the transactions. This is not really working at least for european banks and sadly the description is almost non existant. kbanking, aqbanking, woob ... -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 473522] Description of woob import
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=473522 --- Comment #5 from KB.claim --- (In reply to antoine from comment #4) > Created attachment 161183 [details] > associate an account to woob > > Woob should be available by right clicking on your account, then click on > "associate an account" Thanks for the hint. However, there is no option for woob present in the Map Account menu. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 473522] Description of woob import
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=473522 --- Comment #2 from KB.claim --- ok, the platform is Windows 11, kmymoney Version 5.1.3. woob is installed on my system ( on windows thats possible via pip.exe as described on the woob website ). Still kMyMoney does not show any option or interface or menu for using the woob interface, at least i have not found one. The reason I want to use woob is that HBCI does not work for any of my banks (and the aqbanking appears to be just another mostly undocumented or not working feature of kmymoney). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 473522] New: Description of woob import
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=473522 Bug ID: 473522 Summary: Description of woob import Classification: Applications Product: kmymoney Version: 5.1.3 Platform: Other OS: Other Status: REPORTED Severity: normal Priority: NOR Component: website Assignee: kmymoney-de...@kde.org Reporter: kb.cl...@gmail.com Target Milestone: --- Website https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/kmymoney/kmymoney/details.impexp.woob.html is very unspecific about how to use woob in kmymoney. How can one get to woob in kmymoney? Via import menu? No idea how to use woob even when it is installed. Additionally the link to the "Woob website" is not working (Please refer to the instructions on Woob website.) The kmymoney documentation sadly is very very unspecific and as vague as the description for woob. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 462513] Setup/creation of Investment account not possible : account type stock not existing
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=462513 KB.claim changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|--- |FIXED Status|REPORTED|RESOLVED --- Comment #4 from KB.claim --- Usage explained and issue fixed. Support of documentation project to be handled directly via eMail to Jack. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 462513] Setup/creation of Investment account not possible : account type stock not existing
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=462513 --- Comment #2 from KB.claim --- Thanks Jack for the info & the graceful reception of the comments related to documentation. I will try to support hands on with the documentation once I know more of kMyMoney. Is the documentation available as source, too? So I could hack in my comments directly? For the brokerage accounts. It means, when someone has several brokerage accounts, the cannot be grouped into an investment account, but have to be directly under assets for each broker? It would be great to see all brokerage accounts under one umbrella. Will keep testing - probably all is fine, just I did not understand the details so far. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 462513] New: Setup/creation of Investment account not possible : account type stock not existing
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=462513 Bug ID: 462513 Summary: Setup/creation of Investment account not possible : account type stock not existing Classification: Applications Product: kmymoney Version: 5.1.3 Platform: Microsoft Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Status: REPORTED Severity: major Priority: NOR Component: general Assignee: kmymoney-de...@kde.org Reporter: kb.cl...@gmail.com Target Milestone: --- Created attachment 154203 --> https://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=154203&action=edit the screenshots of the bug SUMMARY *** NOTE: If you are reporting a crash, please try to attach a backtrace with debug symbols. See https://community.kde.org/Guidelines_and_HOWTOs/Debugging/How_to_create_useful_crash_reports *** STEPS TO REPRODUCE 1. Create a new Asset Account of Type investment without institution assigned (lets name it "Depots", and it shall hold several different (sub) accounts for different brokers) 2. Add a (sub) account, i.e. a child of "depots": name Broker1, account type: INVESTMENT (there is no "Stocks" in the account type selection list available!!!), next, create a brokerage account (or not, is irrelevant), parent account "Depots", Finish: Name: Broker1 Subaccount of Depots Type: Investment ! Currency: Euro Opening date: Samstag, 1. Jänner 2022 Institution: Broker xyz 3. click Finish brings the error message: Unable to create account: Investment account can only have stock accounts as children C:\_\9b0777e7\kmymoney\kmymoney\mymoney\mymoneyfile.cpp:1019 OBSERVED RESULT There is no such thing as a "stock account" in the type list when creating a new (sub) account. The list contains: Liability, Asset, Investment, Loan, Cash, Credit Card, Savings, Checking. There is nothing better in the list than "Investment" which throws the above error message. EXPECTED RESULT That the (sub) account is created. SOFTWARE/OS VERSIONS Windows: 11 macOS: Linux/KDE Plasma: (available in About System) KDE Plasma Version: KDE Frameworks Version: Qt Version: ADDITIONAL INFORMATION The documentation is completely vague, it describes 5 main account types: Asset Liability, Expense, Equity. I see only two types: Assets and Liabilities in my installation. Where is the rest? Not a single word where these Account types are administered, configured, reset. Why are they not existing at all in my installation? The description of "Categories" is weird. What a category is or for waht it is used is nowhere explained. The pdf manual is really bad for beginners. The basic accounting chapter is childish honestly, balls or beans rolling around in a box I think one who installs a personal finance manager to manage his accounts and so on should understand what accounting is, and for a starter with kmyMoney the first at least 30 pages are completely unnecessary. If the handbook is made for users then how about starting with screenshots of a sample setup that contains cash, bank accounts, savings accounts, loans, credit cards, investments, etc. based on a practical outline, i.e. 3 bank accounts, 2 savings, 3 depots, a crypto depot, 2 credit cards, etc. This should immediately show the categorisation of accounts, the tags, and what not, so users without need for reading embarrassing beans statements come to the point. I am aware this is a harsh comment, but would recommend to add a practical example use case as introduction. It is very clear in many passages of the manual that developers wrote the manual, without the reader in mind. Category is described as a "non-managed income and expense account that do not have a value". I am not sure who may find this helpful, but certainly 99.9% of starters are lost here. Certainly if one develops the concept for years this is a totally clear statement of highest technical nature, but for users this is unusable. Statement of this confusion level are all over the manual. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
