[kwin] [Bug 365254] Usability: Removing Buttons from the window decoration is confusing

[Thomas Pfeiffer]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365254

--- Comment #10 from Thomas Pfeiffer  ---
I have created a wishlist item to remove the icon ( BUG 407109 )

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[kwin] [Bug 365254] Usability: Removing Buttons from the window decoration is confusing

[Nate Graham]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365254

Nate Graham  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Version Fixed In||5.15.0
 Resolution|--- |FIXED
 Status|CONFIRMED   |RESOLVED
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--- Comment #9 from Nate Graham  ---
The icon has text that explains it, and now it uses an emblem icon so the
meaning is a bit clearer. So I think the original issue is effectively resolved

We could still remove the icon of course, but I don't think that's necessary
from the perspective of calling this issue fixed.

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[kwin] [Bug 365254] Usability: Removing Buttons from the window decoration is confusing

[Björn Feber]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365254

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--- Comment #8 from Björn Feber  ---
Yeah, I think we can remove that inidcator.

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[kwin] [Bug 365254] Usability: Removing Buttons from the window decoration is confusing

[Patrick Silva]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365254

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[kwin] [Bug 365254] Usability: Removing Buttons from the window decoration is confusing

[Alexander Schier]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365254

Alexander Schier  changed:

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Version|5.7.0   |5.13.1

--- Comment #7 from Alexander Schier  ---
The icon is now replaced by a minus sign, which is indeed a better choice.
But at least in my plastik theme it still looks confusing. First I thought if
it should display some ruby or similar.

But do we need a sign there at all? Mozilla Firefox uses the same metaphor of a
"unused icons" place and drag and it works without additional indicators.

In particular, the metaphor with a remove-icon seems wrong to me as I do not
remove (in the metaphor: remove from both the title bar and the icon pool) the
icon, but just *move* it to the unused icons below.
I think it was like this in KDE 4 and maybe some 5 versions, I do not know the
decision process why it was changed so I hope I did not overlook something.

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[kwin] [Bug 365254] Usability: Removing Buttons from the window decoration is confusing

[Alexander Schier]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365254

--- Comment #6 from Alexander Schier  ---
Created attachment 114004
  --> https://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=114004=edit
Screenshot of the Dialog using a themes Minus sign

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[kwin] [Bug 365254] Usability: Removing Buttons from the window decoration is confusing

[Thomas Pfeiffer via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365254

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 Ever confirmed|0   |1
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |CONFIRMED

--- Comment #5 from Thomas Pfeiffer  ---
I think it is wrong. Breeze using the wrong metaphor for "remove" in general.
That sign is indeed a "forbidden" sign, not a "remove" sign.
I don't think we need any icon there. If you move a button from the window
decoration to the pool of available buttons, it's clear that you remove it from
the title bar. No further indication needed.

So yes, please remove that misleading icon.

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[kwin] [Bug 365254] Usability: Removing Buttons from the window decoration is confusing

[andreas via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365254

andreas  changed:

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[kwin] [Bug 365254] Usability: Removing Buttons from the window decoration is confusing

[Alexander Schier via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365254

--- Comment #4 from Alexander Schier  ---
I didn't want to say it's the wrong icon by some definition in a icon scheme,
but that experience the UX here as confusing. Its not the icon, which is the
problem, but the workflow.

I would think moving between two areas (title bar and icon-area) has the right
intuition without any further hints (as you are actually moving the icon back
and forth, without removing (in the sense of deleting) it).
Some mouseover effects may be useful, but i would consider this one as not the
best one to convey what's happening.

Just as a minor UX issue, no priority here.

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[kwin] [Bug 365254] Usability: Removing Buttons from the window decoration is confusing

[Thomas Lübking via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365254

--- Comment #3 from Thomas Lübking  ---
lower the opacity over the drop zone?

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[kwin] [Bug 365254] Usability: Removing Buttons from the window decoration is confusing

[andreas via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365254

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--- Comment #2 from andreas  ---
In general I think it's the right icon cause you remove something from the
titlebar.

I'm not sure if you need the dialgue, cause you write on bottom
Drag buttons between here and the titlebar
so it should be clear that you can drag some icons to the titlebar and remove
them. I would remove the dialogue, cause you remove something but it's easy to
move it back to the title bar.

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[kwin] [Bug 365254] Usability: Removing Buttons from the window decoration is confusing

[Martin Gräßlin via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365254

--- Comment #1 from Martin Gräßlin  ---
That's not a forbidden icon, but list-remove. If that's unsuited we might find
a better fitting one.

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