[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #84 from Scott Newton --- Ahh. Thank you. Following that bug. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #83 from Patrick Silva --- there already is a bug report, see bug 476161 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #82 from Scott Newton --- Just installed Plasma 6 and this is not fixed. While it is true that Cube now appears under Window Management, it does not appear under Virtual Desktop Switching Animation, which was the most important part of the Cube before it was removed. Sadly I don't seem to have permissions to reopen this bug, so may have to create a new one. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
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[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Nate Graham changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|CLOSED -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Prajna Sariputra changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #81 from Prajna Sariputra --- Yes, Plasma 6 has it as Nate said in the comment right before yours, and as noted in the "Version Fixed In" field of the bug. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Duns changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|FIXED |--- Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED CC||w...@culturanuova.net --- Comment #80 from Duns --- So, in Plasma 6 we will find desktop cube effect? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #79 from Nate Graham --- Fixed by Vlad Zahorodnii with https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kdeplasma-addons/-/commit/b50cfab3e50490d95381016e16679242269e9f89 fpr Plasma 6! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
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[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 postix changed: What|Removed |Added CC||fire.eagle...@gmail.com --- Comment #78 from postix --- *** Bug 455130 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Vlad Zahorodnii changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|RESOLVED Version Fixed In||6.0 Latest Commit||https://invent.kde.org/plas ||ma/kdeplasma-addons/-/commi ||t/b50cfab3e50490d95381016e1 ||6679242269e9f89 Resolution|--- |FIXED -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 João Carlos changed: What|Removed |Added CC||tecnicoce...@gmail.com --- Comment #77 from João Carlos --- Ja faz um bom tempo e nada do efeito cube voltar. Sinceramente como podem deixar morrer um efeito que foi e ainda é a marca registrada do KDE? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
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[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
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[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #76 from Prajna Sariputra --- As per Nate in the KDE forums (https://discuss.kde.org/t/strange-category-bug-vote-limits-at-bugs-kde-org/3450/2) voting on bugs never really did much of anything for bug prioritisation anyway, so I think it's been disabled to reflect the way it's always been in reality, and not anything to do with this bug specifically. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #75 from Paul Hands --- What's with removing our votes? I had one vote registered, and it was removed, apparently because I had too many votes???! Is this a not-so-subtle way of telling us the effect is not going to be restored? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #74 from Thomas Bettler --- Seems like voting on this product became disabled this night w/o any announcements :-( Can someone give more insights? ___ Some or all of your votes have been removed from bug 438883. You had 1 vote on this bug, but 1 have been removed. You have no more votes remaining on this bug. Reason: The rules for voting on this product has changed; you had too many total votes, so all votes have been removed. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 J.M. 'Peng' Hardin changed: What|Removed |Added CC||peng.thinkb...@gmail.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #73 from JC Casiano --- Agreed, this and the burning-windows feature are great distiguishing effects, and should be re-integrated since they are working again. > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 > > --- Comment #72 from Dalix --- > (In reply to JC Casiano from comment #71) >> There is a package available in AUR (there are actually 2, but this one >> is >> for Plasma5): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/kwin-effects-cube >> >> I easily built and installed it, and have been using it for many weeks >> now. >> I'm very appreciative of "zjuyk" for giving us something to work with. >> This >> version gives the basic zoom out and screen flipping, as well as >> allowing >> for the 3-D rotation/view. I think the only thing it didn't like about >> my >> setup was the second touchscreen monitor, but otherwise it seems to do >> what >> the Cube used to do. >> >> It did fail after one upgrade, but after recompiling and reinstalling >> it, I >> got it to work again. > > This is good to know but I am still really hoping for it to be properly > re-integrated into Plasma! > > -- > You are receiving this mail because: > You are on the CC list for the bug. > You voted for the bug. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #72 from Dalix --- (In reply to JC Casiano from comment #71) > There is a package available in AUR (there are actually 2, but this one is > for Plasma5): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/kwin-effects-cube > > I easily built and installed it, and have been using it for many weeks now. > I'm very appreciative of "zjuyk" for giving us something to work with. This > version gives the basic zoom out and screen flipping, as well as allowing > for the 3-D rotation/view. I think the only thing it didn't like about my > setup was the second touchscreen monitor, but otherwise it seems to do what > the Cube used to do. > > It did fail after one upgrade, but after recompiling and reinstalling it, I > got it to work again. This is good to know but I am still really hoping for it to be properly re-integrated into Plasma! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #71 from JC Casiano --- There is a package available in AUR (there are actually 2, but this one is for Plasma5): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/kwin-effects-cube I easily built and installed it, and have been using it for many weeks now. I'm very appreciative of "zjuyk" for giving us something to work with. This version gives the basic zoom out and screen flipping, as well as allowing for the 3-D rotation/view. I think the only thing it didn't like about my setup was the second touchscreen monitor, but otherwise it seems to do what the Cube used to do. It did fail after one upgrade, but after recompiling and reinstalling it, I got it to work again. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #70 from RobinK --- Re Comment # 69 - indeed. May we know if anyone is working on it at all? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #69 from Dalix --- Any progress reports on the re-implementation efforts? Thanks -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 kolAflash changed: What|Removed |Added CC||kolafl...@kolahilft.de --- Comment #68 from kolAflash --- (In reply to Sadi from comment #65) > Has anyone tried the third-party alternative? > https://github.com/zzag/kwin-effects-cube There are some comments above about trying out kwin-effects-cube I tried it and it's feature set seems much smaller than the old cube effect. But it's the only option currently. (thanks @Vlad, wishing peace, democracy and freedom for your country!) Compiling is a little hard on some distros. Especially because of that big qtquick3d dependency. https://github.com/zzag/kwin-effects-cube#building-from-git Additional needed for Debian-12: https://github.com/zzag/kwin-effects-cube/issues/16 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #67 from Maximilian Böhm --- kwin-effects-cube works for me on Arch (there is a "kwin-effects-cube" AUR script for Plasma 5). Already tried it a year ago. Glad about its existence but… Currently, it’s just a demo. Maybe viable to wow Windows users but that’s not why I was using the old cube effect. It’s not possible to use this effect as virtual desktops switching transition, there are no stacked windows in 3D, you cannot drag the desktop with a key combo + mouse without centering the view first, there is no transparency, no reflection, you need an extra click to get to a certain virtual desktop, there are glitches with background images, I’m not a big fan of the open spaced borders… It’s great someone made this plugin but currently, it isn’t there yet. I want to cite my comment here about the Gnome extension "Desktop-Cube": https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883#c29 »But I have to admit, the Gnome extension looks neat. I wouldn’t switch to Gnome (LOL) but it demonstrates the UX potential the cube effect has. Look at its GitHub page: https://github.com/schneegans/Desktop-Cube – there are a couple of really great UI/UX ideas in the GIFs. Combine this with touch, like in the video demo and it gets astonishing. Nobody wanted to touch the cube effect in Kwin for a decade, which effectively made it freeze in its 2010ish code base and UI paradigms, but this effect holds so much potential if you think it through.« The Gnome extension currently is at v17. It has integration and transition effects into Gnome’s overview effect, recognizes you holding the desktop, has 3D stacked windows and so much more. This is possible. I’m even willing to found a bounty for the Plasma cube to get more love: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883#c33 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #66 from triffid.hun...@gmail.com --- I just gave it a quick try - compiles and installs fine, it shows up in system settings and I can see the kwin shortcut it adds, but nothing happens when I actually hit the key combo. On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 at 08:02, Sadi wrote: > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 > > Sadi changed: > >What|Removed |Added > > > CC||sadiyumu...@gmail.com > > --- Comment #65 from Sadi --- > Has anyone tried the third-party alternative? > https://github.com/zzag/kwin-effects-cube > > -- > You are receiving this mail because: > You are on the CC list for the bug. > You voted for the bug. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Sadi changed: What|Removed |Added CC||sadiyumu...@gmail.com --- Comment #65 from Sadi --- Has anyone tried the third-party alternative? https://github.com/zzag/kwin-effects-cube -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #64 from Petr --- could somebody please write an update on this? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #63 from Nate Graham --- *** Bug 443410 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #62 from Neal Gompa --- (In reply to h.k.ghost from comment #61) > (In reply to Nate Graham from comment #20) > > The Cover Switch and Flip Switch effects were just rewritten in QML for > > Plasma 5.24; see Bug 443757. The Desktop Cube effect will be next! I doubt > > it will be ready for 5.24, but hopefully it'll be back for 5.24. > > What's the ETA for this feature restoration? I'm running: > > Plasma: 5.25.5 > KDE Framework: 5.98.0 > Qt: 5.15.6 > > and it's not here, either. > While I also want it back (and it's not back yet in 5.26 either),... > On another note, I'm not sure why an effect that has been stable for years > and has a good track record of working correctly would be removed *prior* to > having an actual replacement... it could've just been left alone. I know that it *couldn't* have been left alone because the old way was buggy and difficult to keep working... > Also, Bug > 450230 shows that, whatever it is that got implemented, falls very short and > does not really come close to replicating the original. and this is very rude. It takes time to reimplement things. It happens in phases. If you're not satisfied with the state of things, ask about how you can help make it get to where you want it to be. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 h.k.gh...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||h.k.gh...@gmail.com --- Comment #61 from h.k.gh...@gmail.com --- (In reply to Nate Graham from comment #20) > The Cover Switch and Flip Switch effects were just rewritten in QML for > Plasma 5.24; see Bug 443757. The Desktop Cube effect will be next! I doubt > it will be ready for 5.24, but hopefully it'll be back for 5.24. What's the ETA for this feature restoration? I'm running: Plasma: 5.25.5 KDE Framework: 5.98.0 Qt: 5.15.6 and it's not here, either. On another note, I'm not sure why an effect that has been stable for years and has a good track record of working correctly would be removed *prior* to having an actual replacement... it could've just been left alone. Also, Bug 450230 shows that, whatever it is that got implemented, falls very short and does not really come close to replicating the original. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #60 from RobinK --- In reply to Paul Hands, Comment #58 Sorry; I've no VBox Linux guest, only Windows, and therefore can't say. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #59 from Paul Hands --- (In reply to RobinK from comment #58) > Re Comment #57, I have that version working in both Leap 15.4 and > Tumbleweed, but it's really only a demo of possibilities - which is very > encouraging but it's of limited practical use in its present form. Thanks, @RobinK! Do you know if it will work on a Virtualbox guest? The hardware emulation on VBox makes me wonder. In the meantime, I'll build a spare laptop to an Ubuntu or KDE Neon recent distro, and try the github demo on that - good practice! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #58 from RobinK --- Re Comment #57, I have that version working in both Leap 15.4 and Tumbleweed, but it's really only a demo of possibilities - which is very encouraging but it's of limited practical use in its present form. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #57 from Paul Hands --- Also...let me reiterate my total willingness to be a tester. I have multiple machines (including Virtualbox VMs) on a reasonable setup - 3 x 4k monitors on a 12 core AMD Ryzen box with a Radeon RX 6600 graphics card. I can't wait for the Cube to come back! I tried the cube effect at https://github.com/zzag/kwin-effects-cube a few months back, and although it seemed to install OK, it didn't work...I now see more recent work, so I'll have anbother go on a spare machine. Paul -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Dalix changed: What|Removed |Added CC||dalix...@gmail.com --- Comment #56 from Dalix --- Hey Nate - any eta on the new desk cub code? Cheers! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
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[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Nate Graham changed: What|Removed |Added CC||mjstef...@gmail.com --- Comment #55 from Nate Graham --- *** Bug 462982 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Nate Graham changed: What|Removed |Added CC||marcos.brito.carvalho@gmail ||.com --- Comment #54 from Nate Graham --- *** Bug 462475 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
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[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Zubin Singh Parihar changed: What|Removed |Added CC||zpari...@gmail.com --- Comment #53 from Zubin Singh Parihar --- I too would like the Desktop cube effect back! I'm using Kubuntu 20.04 with Plasma 5.18.7 and one of my biggest hesitations of upgrading to Kubuntu 22.04 with Plasma 5.24.6 is that I'll lose the Desktop Cube effect. I see that this person has been able to bring the Desktop Cube effect to Plasma 5.24: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uDRSUdftZE -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Neal Gompa changed: What|Removed |Added CC||ngomp...@gmail.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #52 from Prajna Sariputra --- (In reply to Petr from comment #51) > (In reply to Vlad Zahorodnii from comment #49) > > FTR while kdeplasma-addons MR is not merged, you could use > > https://github.com/zzag/kwin-effects-cube. Contributions are welcome! > > well, i tested (as of instructions in > https://github.com/zzag/kwin-effects-cube/issues/3) and i can agree to the 2 > commenters there. it can be installed, i can see the checkmark, but (at > least on my fedora36 updated to all recent packages) it does do nothing. i > also cannot add it to the desktop-switcher or the activities-switcher You may need to install qt5-quick3d (or the equivalent package for your distro) for the effect to work, although at the current state the effect is only standalone, as in it can't be used for the switcher animations. It works fine for me once I installed the aforementioned package on Arch. If it still doesn't work you may need to restart KWin, alternatively running `journalctl -f` in a terminal and watching it when you press the shortcut key should tell you what the issue is. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #51 from Petr --- (In reply to Vlad Zahorodnii from comment #49) > FTR while kdeplasma-addons MR is not merged, you could use > https://github.com/zzag/kwin-effects-cube. Contributions are welcome! well, i tested (as of instructions in https://github.com/zzag/kwin-effects-cube/issues/3) and i can agree to the 2 commenters there. it can be installed, i can see the checkmark, but (at least on my fedora36 updated to all recent packages) it does do nothing. i also cannot add it to the desktop-switcher or the activities-switcher Operating System: Fedora Linux 36 KDE Plasma Version: 5.25.5 KDE Frameworks Version: 5.98.0 Qt Version: 5.15.5 Kernel Version: 5.19.10-200.fc36.x86_64 (64-bit) Graphics Platform: X11 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
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[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #50 from K.J. Petrie --- Can we have an indication of when this will be added into the release, please? It's now 2.5 months since July and still not there. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #49 from Vlad Zahorodnii --- FTR while kdeplasma-addons MR is not merged, you could use https://github.com/zzag/kwin-effects-cube. Contributions are welcome! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
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[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Don Robertson changed: What|Removed |Added CC||d...@robertson.net.nz --- Comment #48 from Don Robertson --- Hi - would love to see the desktop cube back, but I believe the problem is that the new api's mean the effect would have to be completely re-written, and that it is not an easy task. The KDE desktop is brilliant, and although in the past I have found things like pulse audio to be frustrating, it is still the best desktop around. I switched to KDE from Afterstep back in the days of the Kandalf mascot. SO really appreciate all the hard work that has gone into the desktop, and, while I'm sad to see the cube go, if we need to loose some eye-candy to keep the desktop evolving, I'll have to live with it. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 JC Casiano changed: What|Removed |Added CC||j...@seanet.com --- Comment #47 from JC Casiano --- Please bring back the Cube, the Fade and Slide effects don't even compare. It was odd hearing my friend even mention it and express his disappointment the other day. I was surprised he even noticed my Linux effects, and he thought it was one of the coolest effects that he couldn't get on Windows. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Ed Huott changed: What|Removed |Added CC||ehu...@huott.org --- Comment #46 from Ed Huott --- Very sorry to see the loss of the Desktop Cube effect. For me, it's a real regression in the KDE Desktop experience. I hope that it will be brought back in the near future. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Ken D'Ambrosio changed: What|Removed |Added CC||k...@jots.org --- Comment #45 from Ken D'Ambrosio --- Yeah, throw me on the list. I'm still using Compiz, but it's woo growing long in the tooth, and obviously not making the jump to lightspee... err, Wayland. If you guys get a cube that works in Wayland, I'll be on KDE for the first time since I got Compiz working back in '06. Wonder if anything's changed in the past 16 years? ;-) Thanks!! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Michael Tsang changed: What|Removed |Added CC||mikl...@gmail.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Alexander Kernozhitsky changed: What|Removed |Added CC||sh200...@mail.ru -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #44 from Paul Hands --- (In reply to Bug Janitor Service from comment #43) > A possibly relevant merge request was started @ > https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kdeplasma-addons/-/merge_requests/188 This is great news! If you're looking for a tester, I'm in. Paul -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Bug Janitor Service changed: What|Removed |Added Status|CONFIRMED |ASSIGNED --- Comment #43 from Bug Janitor Service --- A possibly relevant merge request was started @ https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kdeplasma-addons/-/merge_requests/188 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Holger changed: What|Removed |Added CC||h.kl...@gmx.de -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #42 from Josesk Volpe --- Yeah, i can confirm that. Cover switch, flip switch and cube effect were the most stable ones in Kwin, the only bug i had with it was that window contents weren't being drawn on every switches when they were minimized . Its code may be huge, but if that were really that hard to maintain (wich was the reason of the removal), then i doubt it would keep that stability if it had to be messed a lot to keep working. I don't know about how it worked in Wayland tho. What is probably true is that they were making it hard to maintain *other features*, not themselves. So they have to be re-implemented in a future release. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #41 from Marek Brunda --- "they are not used widely based on support information from various bug reports" - this is extremely wrong. If it didn't show up in bug reports, it means it was working very well." - You're right, I've used it on several computers for a number of years even with various Linux distributions and never had a problem, even when using it with Wine or OpenGL full screen applications and games. Everything worked as expected. On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 3:55 AM aditsu wrote: > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 > > aditsu changed: > >What|Removed |Added > > > CC||adi...@yahoo.com > > --- Comment #40 from aditsu --- > I've just been hit by this catastrophe too. > "they are not used widely based on support information from various bug > reports" - this is extremely wrong. If it didn't show up in bug reports, it > means it was working very well. > This is a SEVERE degradation of user experience. I would consider > volunteering > to help fix this disaster, if it didn't involve learning an entirely new > framework (or multiple frameworks?) from scratch. > > -- > You are receiving this mail because: > You are on the CC list for the bug. > You voted for the bug. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 aditsu changed: What|Removed |Added CC||adi...@yahoo.com --- Comment #40 from aditsu --- I've just been hit by this catastrophe too. "they are not used widely based on support information from various bug reports" - this is extremely wrong. If it didn't show up in bug reports, it means it was working very well. This is a SEVERE degradation of user experience. I would consider volunteering to help fix this disaster, if it didn't involve learning an entirely new framework (or multiple frameworks?) from scratch. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Prajna Sariputra changed: What|Removed |Added CC||putr...@gmail.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #39 from Maximilian Böhm --- (In reply to Angelos Pikoulas from comment #38) > (In reply to Thomas Bettler from comment #36) > > consider joining efforts with > > https://app.bountysource.com/issues/92875316-bring-back-per-virtual-desktop- > > wallpapers > > ΙΜΗΟ each issue deserves its own bounty. Yes… I would like to hear a voice from the Kwin developers about what bounty platform they would prefer. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Alexey Neyman changed: What|Removed |Added CC||sti...@att.net -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #38 from Angelos Pikoulas --- (In reply to Thomas Bettler from comment #36) > consider joining efforts with > https://app.bountysource.com/issues/92875316-bring-back-per-virtual-desktop- > wallpapers ΙΜΗΟ each issue deserves its own bounty. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #37 from Angelos Pikoulas --- (In reply to Thomas Bettler from comment #36) > consider joining efforts with > https://app.bountysource.com/issues/92875316-bring-back-per-virtual-desktop- > wallpapers ΙΜΗΟ each issue deserves its own bounty. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #36 from Thomas Bettler --- consider joining efforts with https://app.bountysource.com/issues/92875316-bring-back-per-virtual-desktop-wallpapers -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #35 from Angelos Pikoulas --- (In reply to Maximilian Böhm from comment #33) > I’m considering creating a bounty for a good reimplementation of the Kwin > Cube with the new Gnome extension as a feature blueprint. I personally would > put 200 € into it. What would be a good online platform for this? https://bountysource.com/ should do - we'll then need to seed it (put more money in) & also promote it to the right developer eyes! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #34 from K.J. Petrie --- Any word on progress here? I had heard it was hoped to reintroduce some form of cube effect in 5.25, but there's no mention of it in the Beta announcement so it looks as if it won't be ready then. I did try to teach myself QML but it's a long way from learning how to change a window's background colour to implementing complex animation effects involving all the virtual desktops. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #33 from Maximilian Böhm --- I’m considering creating a bounty for a good reimplementation of the Kwin Cube with the new Gnome extension as a feature blueprint. I personally would put 200 € into it. What would be a good online platform for this? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Angelos Pikoulas changed: What|Removed |Added CC||agelos.pikou...@gmail.com --- Comment #32 from Angelos Pikoulas --- Bring back the Cube! Maybe some volunteer would like to jump in and re-adjust the old code to the new API? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 RobinK changed: What|Removed |Added CC||ro...@xtra.co.nz -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 mrbinitie changed: What|Removed |Added CC||ayobini...@gmail.com --- Comment #31 from mrbinitie --- Seriously the Cube, Cylinder and Orb need to be reintroduced. They've been great eye-candy, but more to the point, important organisational and navigation aids. I'm seriously considering reinstalling 20.04 so I still have access to these features -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Nate Graham changed: What|Removed |Added See Also|https://bugs.kde.org/show_b | |ug.cgi?id=450230| -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 szecsodimlaszlo changed: What|Removed |Added CC||n-...@hunstar.hu -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #30 from Josesk Volpe --- Wow, really nice That is really a lesson for KDE, and i'm not saying it as something pejorative -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #29 from Maximilian Böhm --- But I have to admit, the Gnome extension looks neat. I wouldn’t switch to Gnome (LOL) but it demonstrates the UX potential the cube effect has. Look at its GitHub page: https://github.com/schneegans/Desktop-Cube – there are a couple of really great UI/UX ideas in the GIFs. Combine this with touch, like in the video demo and it gets astonishing. Nobody wanted to touch the cube effect in Kwin for a decade, which effectively made it freeze in its 2010ish code base and UI paradigms, but this effect holds so much potential if you think it through. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #28 from Maximilian Böhm --- Guys, the tone in some of the comments here is not helpful for our request. Please remain friendly towards the hobbyists who are developing our beloved desktop. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #27 from Paul Hands --- While we wait for a loved feature to come back, Gnome is making me wonder about a switch for the first time in a decade https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/03/desktop-cube-gnome-extension-panoramas -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Marcelo Sales changed: What|Removed |Added CC||mmtsa...@gmail.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Diego changed: What|Removed |Added CC||onubat...@gmail.com --- Comment #26 from Diego --- I also ask that the desktop cube be put back, and also the Virtual Desktops with different wallpapers, different icons, and with different widgets on each virtual desktop. Although I know that the developers ignore us, the users, and for proof, they removed the virtual desktops. And that the users complained and asked that it be put back on. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Josesk Volpe changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.kde.org/show_b ||ug.cgi?id=450230 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #25 from Josesk Volpe --- I tried to replace Kwin with Compiz recently to bring back this effect, but then i gave up since i've knew from Arch Wiki Compiz is incompatible with Plasma because of the window decoration engine I would really appreciate to have this feature re-implemented or replaced Since i have already exceeded my 1 vote limit (yeah, 1 vote, really, ¿why can't i vote for 2 bugs?) because of bug 443757 that's not really solved since Cover Switch and Flip Switch replacements, although reasonable and somewhat acceptable, are very poor, i'm only adding me to CC list -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Josesk Volpe changed: What|Removed |Added CC||joseskvo...@gmail.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #24 from Nate Graham --- No, 5.24 has the re-implemented Cover Switch and Flip Switch effects, but the Desktop Cube effect has not been re-done yet. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #23 from Mircea Kitsune --- Can anyone confirm if this was successfully reimplemented in Plasma 5.24 as I understand the planning was? I'm still on 5.23 while waiting for the new release to reach Manjaro stable. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Adam Wenocur changed: What|Removed |Added CC||aweno...@gmail.com --- Comment #22 from Adam Wenocur --- long-time Plasma user here, since KDE 3.0. I created an account on this bugzilla, having never had complaints about KDE in the past twenty years. My first issue is to add my voice to this list requesting the cube transition be returned. I started running 5.23.5 last month, as it was declared stable in the Gentoo main portage tree. I appreciate the reason for it and look forward to better compositing, but the 3D animated transitions are not a niche feature. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 triffid.hun...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||triffid.hun...@gmail.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Terry Wang changed: What|Removed |Added CC||ter...@gmail.com --- Comment #21 from Terry Wang --- Only discovered the removal of several Ref: https://kde.org/announcements/changelogs/plasma/5/5.22.5-5.23.0/ Removed - Effects: Remove Desktop Cube Animation effect. Commit. - Effects: Remove Desktop Cube effect. Commit. - Effects: Remove Cover Switch effect. Commit. - Effects: Remove Flip Switch effect. Commit. I understand the motivation behind the refactor / rewrite to modernize APIs and etc., however, how do you (dev team) conclude that "they are not used widely based on support information from various bug reports and our available man power is sparse, the most reasonable thing is to drop the effect, unfortunately." ??? This engineering mindset - "We've built great things, if users don't know how to use / adapt, it's their problem" can't be accepted. This reminds me the removal of GNOME 3.8 fallback mode, where integration with Compiz (Fusion) went completely broken. It appears that the GNOME developers know more about user behaviours than their users and therefore made the decision on their behalf without consulting users. I've switched to KDE 4.10 SC because of the disappointment at GNOME 3 (3.8 to be accurate). I was surprised to find most of the effects - eye-candies that I care about, embedded to my daily routine were implemented by KWin, happy till recently when I found the cube effect when switching workspaces (virtual desktops) were gone in KWin 5.23 (I run Manjaro with KDE on Pi 4 8GB model and an old MacBook). Please reimplement these effects when appropriate. We don't want to see the classic representation of Linux desktop eye-candies fade away. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 --- Comment #20 from Nate Graham --- The Cover Switch and Flip Switch effects were just rewritten in QML for Plasma 5.24; see Bug 443757. The Desktop Cube effect will be next! I doubt it will be ready for 5.24, but hopefully it'll be back for 5.24. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Maximilian Schmeling changed: What|Removed |Added CC||maxicarlo...@gmail.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Grief changed: What|Removed |Added CC||iamgr...@gmail.com --- Comment #19 from Grief --- KDE is going the way microsoft went with 11. Or gnome goes. Who had that brilliant idea to drop the feature without providing an alternative first? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Marek Brunda changed: What|Removed |Added CC||ma...@brunda.name --- Comment #18 from Marek Brunda --- Please return this feature. I have been using it for many years and I have never had a single problem with it. So far, I have downgraded and will not upgrade as long as possible. Then I will have to look for alternative solutions. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Mircea Kitsune changed: What|Removed |Added CC||sonichedgehog_hyperblast00@ ||yahoo.com --- Comment #17 from Mircea Kitsune --- Although I've no longer been using the desktop cube animation for a while, I second this request: Please don't actually remove it! The last thing an user wants to deal with, alongside running into any major bugs, is features they enjoy going away because someone wise thought it's too obscure to matter. Code cleanness and optimization is a great target to go by in everything, but I strongly believe it must be done without removing entire features with no alternative in place. A bonus thought: This might be a good chance to implement a new and even better desktop cube. I always thought it would be nice if we could have proper 3D effects for windows, such as being able to drag them in full 3D space like sheets of paper. It would be a different feature and unrelated to this discussion, but goes well with the thought of putting something better in place if an older alternative felt less than optimal. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 King Kang Kong changed: What|Removed |Added CC||r2b2x3+kde...@gmail.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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[kwin] [Bug 438883] Re-implement Desktop Cube effect with modern effects API
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Eugene changed: What|Removed |Added CC||ken20...@ukr.net --- Comment #16 from Eugene --- A am also for that! Please, bring the cube back! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438883 Robin Bankhead changed: What|Removed |Added CC||kde.b...@headbank.co.uk -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
