[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[buzzurro]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

--- Comment #34 from buzzurro  ---
It works perfectly, thanks! Neon latest version OK.

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Jack Prom]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

--- Comment #33 from Jack Prom  ---
I think, I speak for all of us: thank you <3

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Jan Grulich]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

Jan Grulich  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Resolution|WONTFIX |FIXED
  Latest Commit||https://commits.kde.org/pla
   ||sma-nm/4634aa6e68e2e4d5a117
   ||7a3ee90a6461a9e3f44a

--- Comment #32 from Jan Grulich  ---
Git commit 4634aa6e68e2e4d5a1177a3ee90a6461a9e3f44a by Jan Grulich.
Committed on 31/08/2017 at 12:38.
Pushed by grulich into branch 'master'.

Add option to allow managing virtual connections

If this option is enabled, users will see virtual connections in applet
and in the connection editor and they will be able to create new virtual
connections as well. This option is disabled by default as we don't want
regular users to be bothered by this.

M  +4-0applet/contents/config/main.xml
M  +10   -0applet/contents/ui/configGeneral.qml
M  +1-0applet/contents/ui/main.qml
M  +1-0libs/CMakeLists.txt
R  +20   -7libs/configuration.cpp [from: libs/declarative/configuration.cpp
- 070% similarity]
R  +6-5libs/configuration.h [from: libs/declarative/configuration.h -
077% similarity]
M  +0-1libs/declarative/CMakeLists.txt
M  +2-15   libs/declarative/connectionicon.cpp
M  +2-20   libs/declarative/networkstatus.cpp
M  +1-0libs/editor/CMakeLists.txt
M  +28   -0libs/models/creatableconnectionsmodel.cpp
M  +14   -7libs/uiutils.cpp

https://commits.kde.org/plasma-nm/4634aa6e68e2e4d5a1177a3ee90a6461a9e3f44a

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[faunris]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

--- Comment #31 from faunris  ---
(In reply to Jack Prom from comment #30)
> > Just reverting the patches is going to be
> > another big visual change that might annoy someone else who will ask to
> > change it again. See the picture?
> 
> I don't understand the logic behind this oppinion. The point to remove was
> another and we miss functionality. I guess, that nobody would come again to
> let remove functionality because she exists.

Please, reply in mail thread. To see this all.

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Jack Prom]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

--- Comment #30 from Jack Prom  ---
> Just reverting the patches is going to be
> another big visual change that might annoy someone else who will ask to
> change it again. See the picture?

I don't understand the logic behind this oppinion. The point to remove was
another and we miss functionality. I guess, that nobody would come again to let
remove functionality because she exists.

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Simon Andric]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Jan Grulich]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

--- Comment #29 from Jan Grulich  ---
Here is the link to the mailing list where I asked:
https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-hardware-devel/2017-August/003878.html

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[buzzurro]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

--- Comment #28 from buzzurro  ---
Any news? Working with nmtui is a nightmare!

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[faunris]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

--- Comment #27 from faunris  ---
(In reply to Jan Grulich from comment #20)

> Back to the problem, I'll try to bring this back to discussion and we will 
> see if we are
> going to revert the removed support back or not. 

Please post here a discussion link, if one is created.

Thank you!

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Stefan Schmid]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

--- Comment #26 from Stefan Schmid  ---
(In reply to Jan Grulich from comment #23)
> The code is still there, those connections are just filtered and not shown
> in the main UI.
"remove code from upstream" and "filtering" are not the same!
On Gentoo is this no Problem (userpatch to "/etc/portage/patches" and its fine)
but on a binary-Distribution is it no so simple.

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Jack Prom]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

--- Comment #25 from Jack Prom  ---
(In reply to Jan Grulich from comment #20)
> We removed it because for 99% of users this is useless 
99% based on which statistic? ;)

> may just confuse/scare people who know
> nothing about those certain connections
This is the typical Gnome argument to remove functionality from release to
release. On the contrary KDE and we love it. To going the gnome way is
inconsistent and the resulting problems you see now in this bug report. For us
it's broken software ;) Had you ever got bugs caused by confused people? So
confused, that they can't work without the broken applet? I doubt that.

> The code is still there, those connections are just filtered and not shown
> in the main UI.

For removing of the filters you need experience in compiling. I think this can
confuse users many time more as the possibility to configure bridges or
bonding.

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Meconio]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

--- Comment #24 from Meconio  ---
Yes but the user now is unable to use advanced network features talked above

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Jan Grulich]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

--- Comment #23 from Jan Grulich  ---
(In reply to Stefan Schmid from comment #22)
> (In reply to Jan Grulich from comment #20)
> > We removed it because for 99% of users this is useless and may just 
> > confuse/scare people who know nothing about those certain connections.
> 
> But this is no reason to completely remove the code. You can hide the
> creation of such Connections behind an "Expert-Mode". In this way Plasma-NM
> could still display existing connections without confusing the user.

The code is still there, those connections are just filtered and not shown in
the main UI.

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Stefan Schmid]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

--- Comment #22 from Stefan Schmid  ---
(In reply to Jan Grulich from comment #20)
> We removed it because for 99% of users this is useless and may just 
> confuse/scare people who know nothing about those certain connections.

But this is no reason to completely remove the code. You can hide the creation
of such Connections behind an "Expert-Mode". In this way Plasma-NM could still
display existing connections without confusing the user.

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Meconio]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

--- Comment #21 from Meconio  ---
Then I suggest a package to install separately for adding all of this functions

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Jan Grulich]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

--- Comment #20 from Jan Grulich  ---
Hi,

I'm aware that some of you may be unhappy with the change we did and sorry for
not responding earlier, I had some personal stuff to do. Back to the problem,
I'll try to bring this back to discussion and we will see if we are going to
revert the removed support back or not. We removed it because for 99% of users
this is useless and may just confuse/scare people who know nothing about those
certain connections, also they kinda mess with the UI (e.g. when you use
virtualbox you will end up with automatically created virbr0 connection taking
place in the applet). 

Stay tuned. Thanks.

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Meconio]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

--- Comment #19 from Meconio  ---
Thanks Jack for your support. I agree with what you have said I would just add
that they are not only 9 people to whom this arbitrary decision has created
problems. I'm talking about the technical department of our company, we always
preferred an open source approach because the official distro of our assurance
department is kubuntu 16.04 while we at the tech department were excited about
kde neon we have a medium sized network and for many years ( 5-6) we never had
a problem (working with vlans, bridges and sometimes bonding). We have some
management tools (Voip etc ...) that require a distro upgrade to work properly
but until this feature would be restored for us it is counterproductive to
upgrade. If we do not recover shortly, we will be forced to change distro or
switch to proprietary systems :(

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Bob Wya]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

Bob Wya  changed:

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--- Comment #18 from Bob Wya  ---
(In reply to Jack Prom from comment #16)
> Created attachment 106846 [details]
> bring back functionality

Thanks for this...
But yet another User patch to (potentially) re-base with every kde-plasma
release. Sad times... :-(

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Jack Prom]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

Jack Prom  changed:

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 CC||j...@protohuman.net

--- Comment #16 from Jack Prom  ---
Created attachment 106846
  --> https://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=106846=edit
bring back functionality

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Jack Prom]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

--- Comment #17 from Jack Prom  ---
ok, have a look:

1. Gnome drops support cause "supported by Cockpit already"
2. You ask on kde-hardware-devel about dropping too. One persons says yes,
another no: 2:1 - in my opinion this isn't "we decided"!
3. you drop support cause of "gnome do so & not used on desktop anyway"
4. 9 people says, that you brick their setups! 9 people says, that she use it
on the desktop!

Your argument "not used on desktop anyway" is invalid, should we use cockpit in
future now, because gnome said so? I'm confused. Gnome is known for reducing
functionality with every release, KDE not. But not plasma-nm, you decided to
follow gnome way. I added patch from
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1066054.html to bring back functionality,
so you have no work to bring back functionality! Please, don't ignore userbase
anymore.

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[buzzurro]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

buzzurro  changed:

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--- Comment #15 from buzzurro  ---
It is frustrating to see again "WONTFIX".
In our office, for example, the primary connection is delivered by vlan.
For us it is not a choice.

in this case a major feature are broken.

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Stefan Schmid]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

--- Comment #14 from Stefan Schmid  ---
To force the people to a NetworkManager but then only pass the half of the
functionality is just bad design. If you do not want to have a VLAN, Bridges or
whatever, then the NetworkManager is not the right choice.

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[bugzilla_noreply]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

--- Comment #13 from vetas...@gmail.com ---
Make KDE NM great again.

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Richard Hering]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

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--- Comment #12 from Richard Hering  ---
"they are not used on desktop anyway." sorry, this is bullshit! It's also
bullshit to remove working functionality

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Stefan Schmid]

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Jan Grulich]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

--- Comment #11 from Jan Grulich  ---
*** Bug 382024 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[faunris]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

faunris  changed:

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--- Comment #10 from faunris  ---
I fully agree with the message above

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[bugzilla_noreply]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

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--- Comment #9 from rakar...@yahoo.it ---
I agree with the all the others. After I decided to update to Neon version of
KDE I felt completely surprised about this decision. I think is a very usefull
feature and I also think there is no apparently reason for removing it. Despite
the same result could be accomplished using other tools, it could even be both
time-consuming and counter-intuitive. I also think it should be up to the user
deciding whether this function could be visible or not, setting permissions as
usual. Considering that I ask to re-introduce this feature as soon as possible.

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Smallker]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

Smallker  changed:

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 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #8 from Smallker  ---
*** This bug has been confirmed by popular vote. ***

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Meconio]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

Meconio  changed:

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--- Comment #7 from Meconio  ---
We are agree with imraro and revan.

Before in plasma vlan support worked perfectly until someone has decided to
remove it. 
https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-nm.git/commit/?id=aae4b7886bcf865d976e98910e24b13436521f8f=Plasma%2F5.10

Me and my company think that's not the right thing. We've installed kde
distributions because we work with networks and plasma has fast support in
creating network profiles and vlan. Even windows has graphical support for vlan
and its is a desktop use! But vlan creation is not as fast as it was in plasma.
I do not understand why to remove a very convenient function that has always
worked. Please reapply it.

Thanks for attention.

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Jan Grulich]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

Jan Grulich  changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Jan Grulich]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

--- Comment #6 from Jan Grulich  ---
Here are commits I found related to that, but I'm not sure whether this is all
and I cannot guarantee that reverting those will not break something.

-
https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-nm.git/commit/?id=aae4b7886bcf865d976e98910e24b13436521f8f
-
https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-nm.git/commit/?id=0a89268a65a5cb6321b03d954421978493fca4fc
-
https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-nm.git/commit/?id=da09936c127e9f2a90a5dca431d349f3616f7cfc
-
https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-nm.git/commit/?id=ca903e1e1e07ef569e80b9d8fba8ed71a547096f
-
https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-nm.git/commit/?id=5a065e9a176c305776a16e6de174eade076961f5

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[imraro]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

--- Comment #5 from imraro  ---
I've read. Is sad, when the familiar functionality worked for several years is
lost and you need to rebuild the workflow. Can you point to the commit for
applet, because i want to revert it for my build?

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[Jan Grulich]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

--- Comment #4 from Jan Grulich  ---
If you want more info why we decided to go this way check:
https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-hardware-devel/2015-December/003573.html

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[plasma-nm] [Bug 376664] Bridged connections are not visible in the applet

[imraro]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

--- Comment #3 from imraro  ---
Even you don't want support ability to create this type of connections, why not
leave the opportunity to connect through an applet to already created
connections?

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[Jan Grulich]

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Jan Grulich  changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Jan Grulich  ---
*** Bug 376785 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Jan Grulich]

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--- Comment #1 from Jan Grulich  ---
As I already told you on GitHub, I don't plan to revert this as I believe this
shouldn't be visible to regular users. If you want to edit your bridge
connections, then you can use nm-connection-editor (which is the Gnome NM tool
you mentioned I guess) or use nmcli or nmtui. Even Gnome as a such doesn't show
and support that, they had that some time ago, but dropped support for these
connection types recently as well.

[1] -
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=20b634b4544d1cfa62cf37932b20396198fd84d9
[2] -
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=b38bf8b67207b55df9d9c1f9433699c5b0395c89
[3] -
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=99743428656618b64e5115e2216339676c0e7510
[4] -
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=a4729411b564ae1e69522101984818a11ca94efe
[5] -
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=8861d4409921235c76b8792db42cd6f42d903a7a

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