[plasmashell] [Bug 375690] Add option to toggle minimize state of most recently focused window when clicking on a group button

[Nate Graham]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375690

Nate Graham  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Resolution|WORKSFORME  |---
 Status|RESOLVED|REPORTED

--- Comment #15 from Nate Graham  ---
I figured out why the Present Windows effect might not work from the Icons-Only
Task Manager: if you have the effect itself configured to omit minimized
windows. This may be useful for the full-screen version of the effect, but
breaks the workflow for the IOTM when multiple instances of an app are open and
all but one is minimized. In this case, clicking on the app in the IOTM will
simply do nothing.

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[plasmashell] [Bug 375690] Add option to toggle minimize state of most recently focused window when clicking on a group button

[Andrew Crouthamel]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375690

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 Resolution|WAITINGFORINFO  |WORKSFORME
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--- Comment #14 from Andrew Crouthamel  ---
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bug is now closed as RESOLVED > WORKSFORME due to lack of needed information.

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[plasmashell] [Bug 375690] Add option to toggle minimize state of most recently focused window when clicking on a group button

[Andrew Crouthamel]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375690

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--- Comment #13 from Andrew Crouthamel  ---
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This bug has been in NEEDSINFO status with no change for at least 15 days.
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[plasmashell] [Bug 375690] Add option to toggle minimize state of most recently focused window when clicking on a group button

[Nate Graham]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375690

Nate Graham  changed:

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 CC||pointedst...@zoho.com
 Resolution|--- |WAITINGFORINFO
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEEDSINFO

--- Comment #12 from Nate Graham  ---
We have a request to bring forward/minimize all windows when clicking on a
grouped icon: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=370258

Would that be acceptable?

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[plasmashell] [Bug 375690] Add option to toggle minimize state of most recently focused window when clicking on a group button

[Eike Hein]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375690

--- Comment #11 from Eike Hein  ---
> May I ask what's the reasoning behind falling back to the group popup dialog?

The overall idea is to show something that allows you to pick one of the things
in the group when you click it. It falls back to the dialog when it can't do
Present Windows because the user disabled the effect or compositing is
disabled, as explained earlier.


> I'd say it would be better to simply close the window thumbnail previews upon 
> click.

I think you're confused about the "window thumbnail previews" being somehow
related to clicking in any way. It's a tooltip. It shows on hover. Tooltips are
optional (they can be disabled both in the applet settings and globally for all
of Plasma), the click behavior isn't.


> And I also do not see any advantage in bringing up Present Windows, because, 
> why would you, you already have the window preview thumbnails.

It's what the old KDE 4 Icontasks in KDE 4's kdeplasma-addons did (which I
didn't write), and since the impetus was to bring it back for users who liked
it, the behavior was preserved as is. Installed base and what they're used to
matters (unlike, say, what Windows does).

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[plasmashell] [Bug 375690] Add option to toggle minimize state of most recently focused window when clicking on a group button

[N . W .]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375690

--- Comment #10 from N. W.  ---
> > What could be causing this?
> 
> Dunno - I can't reproduce it not working, however. Perhaps restart
> plasmashell from a terminal and check output.

What commands would you use for that inside a running KDE Neon 5.8.5?

(In reply to Eike Hein from comment #9)
> That said, it would be technically pretty difficult to do, perhaps - I don't
> think minimized windows are part of the stacking order, so there no way to
> find out what "the most recent window of that group" was without tons of
> tracking we currently don't do.

Checked it again on Windows 10. Actually, Windows 10 does not
minimize/un-minimize in this case. Upon clicking, it simply closes the window
thumbnail previews.

That is still better than falling back to that group popup dialog in KDE.

May I ask what's the reasoning behind falling back to the group popup dialog?

I don't see any advantage in falling back to that group popup dialog. I'd say
it would be better to simply close the window thumbnail previews upon click.

And I also do not see any advantage in bringing up Present Windows, because,
why would you, you already have the window preview thumbnails.

But, again, minimizing/un-minimizing would be even better. Even though MS
Windows is not doing it like that ;). So, here's actually a feature request
that does not ask to replicate something from Windows but doing something
differently ;).

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[plasmashell] [Bug 375690] Add option to toggle minimize state of most recently focused window when clicking on a group button

[Eike Hein]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375690

Eike Hein  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

Summary|Clicking on app icon in |Add option to toggle
   |icon-only task manager does |minimize state of most
   |not minimize/maximize   |recently focused window
   |window when more than one   |when clicking on a group
   |instances of an app are |button
   |open|
   Severity|normal  |wishlist

--- Comment #9 from Eike Hein  ---
> What could be causing this?

Dunno - I can't reproduce it not working, however. Perhaps restart plasmashell
from a terminal and check output.

>  Is it possible to configure it like that?

No.

> Or is there any chance you could add an option for that?

I currently don't see a need (the proposed behavior is nonsensical to me, even
accounting for the fact that you probably mean un-minimize instead of
maximize), but feedback indicates otherwise, sure.

That said, it would be technically pretty difficult to do, perhaps - I don't
think minimized windows are part of the stacking order, so there no way to find
out what "the most recent window of that group" was without tons of tracking we
currently don't do.

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