https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=427747
--- Comment #7 from Claudius Ellsel ---
(In reply to medin from comment #2)
> Yeah, there is lot of empty space in each icon/label item, which makes each
> square button inside the grid too much big to receive only mouse pointer
> actions.
Note that some space is needed to have acceptable usability on touch devices as
well.
(In reply to Nate Graham from comment #4)
> Indeed. Starting by insulting people's work is generally a bad way to get
> them to listen to you.
> ...
> Also scrollable
> icons-only sidebars just look ugly in general.
"Ugly" has been deemed to be a bit insulting before (hides).
To the topic:
> If we
> took your suggestion and made the grid items icons-only, then we would
> (justifiably) get complaints that people didn't know what the icons did.
> Many System Tray icons do not satisfactorily express what the applets do.
> Text is important here.
This argument is a bit flawed, I think since the normal tray icons (not the one
in the popup window) currently are icons only without any text beneath them.
> Additionally, if we took your suggestion, then there would be much more
> empty space in the popup itself, and we'd get complaints about that. There
> isn't really a way to please everyone here given extremely divergent tastes
> among KDE users regarding whitespace, padding and layout compactness.
One might be able to mitigate the problems a bit, but I agree that it will
probably always be a compromise that not everybody is satisfied with.
(In reply to medin from comment #5)
> (In reply to Nate Graham from comment #4)
> > Indeed. Starting by insulting people's work is generally a bad way to get
> > them to listen to you.
>
> Sorry, I didn't know that personal views are not accepted here. It's not
> that I intentionally insulted the person who made it, but I really said what
> I felt about it in honest way, and sometimes truth should be told.
> For example Windows 8 tried hard to impose their new desktop without
> traditional start menu but after many complains (really bad and harsh
> replies) from users the menu was restored back.
>
> Windows 10 has system tray with only icons, and each icon can be accessed
> with right or left mouse click. It's not shame to replicate already proven
> and used design.
Well, it is best to try to stay factual. If you state personal opinions it is
probably good to say so before, so everyone knows that it is your opinion and
also try to state it in an appropriate tone :) The "truth" you mention here
seems to be pretty subjective, other people might see it the complete opposite
way.
I hope you don't use the Window 8 Start Menu example to say that you used the
tone to give this some momentum. That is a bad idea most times. While it is
probably true that you get faster reactions with that, those reactions will
most likely be against what you want to achieve and also ranting on a bug
tracker is in general not a good style (also on other places at some times).
I know the tray on Windows 10. This gives some insight, but is hard to use as
an argument. For example the Windows tray (especially the hidden icons you are
probably talking about) has pretty bad usability on touch devices. So more
padding and bigger icons probably would be always required.
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