[systemsettings] [Bug 364321] Ability to switch from JEDEC to SI units
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364321 --- Comment #23 from Ahmad Samir --- I see, thanks for the info. Let's keep it open until someone who knows that info chimes in (I wasn't around at that time, and git.reviewboard.kde.org was taken down a long time ago, so I don't have easy access to those old code reviews). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[systemsettings] [Bug 364321] Ability to switch from JEDEC to SI units
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364321 --- Comment #22 from Hector Martin --- The UI was there in KDE4. It was lost in KDE5. Do you have a reference as to why it was removed? When 57240 was closed, there was no UI and no intent to add an UI. A UI was later added anyway. Clearly someone thought it was important. If it was deliberately removed, that action is not documented in 57240, since it predates the addition of the UI entirely. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[systemsettings] [Bug 364321] Ability to switch from JEDEC to SI units
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364321 --- Comment #21 from Ahmad Samir --- AFAICS, the removal of the UI was intentional because it is in-line with the comments in bug 57240 (e.g. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57240#c75). Also I don't see a UI being added for this. (From my point of view this is a duplicate because "the ability to switch the size units" is there; but I don't mind closing as wontfix). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[systemsettings] [Bug 364321] Ability to switch from JEDEC to SI units
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364321 Hector Martin changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|DUPLICATE |--- Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED --- Comment #20 from Hector Martin --- The good news is that manually fiddling with the config, as in bug 57240, does indeed still work and lets you get real SI units. Great! The bad news is that bug predates the existence of the UI in KDE 4.x, and this bug is a *regression* since the UI did exist at a later point and subsequently disappeared. So this isn't a duplicate, since it's a regression. If you can find documentation that the subsequent removal of the UI was intentional and it will not be restored, that would make this bug a WONTFIX, not a DUPLICATE. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[systemsettings] [Bug 364321] Ability to switch from JEDEC to SI units
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364321 Ahmad Samir changed: What|Removed |Added CC||a.samir...@gmail.com Status|CONFIRMED |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE --- Comment #19 from Ahmad Samir --- I think this is a duplicate of bug 57240, the same exact reasons described there (and here in this report) still apply. *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 57240 *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[systemsettings] [Bug 364321] Ability to switch from JEDEC to SI units
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364321 --- Comment #18 from Ahmad Samir --- *** Bug 428045 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[systemsettings] [Bug 364321] Ability to switch from JEDEC to SI units
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364321 manli...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||manli...@gmail.com --- Comment #17 from manli...@gmail.com --- It's 2022 and in plasma you can configure every possible preference except you can't change something so essential to make people less confused. This is a regression and a clear imposition that goes against KDE principles and I still don't see any valid reason to not provide choice on this key point. Anyway thanks for your non-stop efforts on this great DE. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[systemsettings] [Bug 364321] Ability to switch from JEDEC to SI units
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[systemsettings] [Bug 364321] Ability to switch from JEDEC to SI units
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[systemsettings] [Bug 364321] Ability to switch from JEDEC to SI units
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[systemsettings] [Bug 364321] Ability to switch from JEDEC to SI units
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364321 torkel...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||torkel...@gmail.com --- Comment #16 from torkel...@gmail.com --- Please fix this. I want sane prefixes -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[systemsettings] [Bug 364321] Ability to switch from JEDEC to SI units
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364321 --- Comment #15 from vmel...@yahoo.com --- It’s too bad that this wasn’t nailed down from day 1. It is sort of like some countries have right side road driving while others are left side road driving. For end users, I have noticed that they don’t care what the default is. I have experience in this. What they care about is the date of modification of a file. If the date is too old, they ask “But I was working on it for 3 h. I saved the file. What happened?” You also have the situation of “Oh no, I saved the file to my network drive and it is showing a file size of 0 kB. What happened?”. When it comes to our personal computers, we are the king/queen of that environment. We should be able to configure it to our liking. Maybe I want to make a driving in the city game and I want left side driving. Maybe I want the people in my game to have yellow skin tone. This is why there are many Linux distros and all sorts of desktop environments + all sorts of software. They even give you the source code so that some can customize it to their liking. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[systemsettings] [Bug 364321] Ability to switch from JEDEC to SI units
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364321 --- Comment #14 from Hector Martin --- Of course JEDEC would use the binary definition; their entire business is basically RAM and Flash specifications. They are basically the only organization with a reason to prefer binary powers of 2, as they define specs for the only hardware where that still is useful in any way :-) But yes, this should be configurable; I don't think we're ever going to convince everyone of our way being the Right Way and we shouldn't need to. One of the reasons to use KDE is its configurability. That said, ever since people started talking calling 1440 KiB floppies "1.44 MB" (which is incorrect regardless of what definition of MB you use) the problem with binary units has been evident. Nobody can do power of two math in their head properly. The only significant argument for binary units is tradition/historical reasons (or being compatible with Windows). The thing is, they made sense when storage capacities were small enough that they were small multiples of the unit size (i.e. sector size, usually a small power of 2) since then you end up with "nice" numbers in binary units. But once your capacity is more than 4 or 5 orders of magnitude larger than the base unit (>1 prefix), this stops making any sense because capacities are not themselves powers of two and you're not going to get nice round numbers no matter what. I'm not going to make a big deal about binary units being the default if it ends up like that, but I do think the average user is better served by power of 10 prefixes (and those who prefer power of two prefixes can definitely go and change the setting). Either way it should be a setting. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[systemsettings] [Bug 364321] Ability to switch from JEDEC to SI units
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364321 vmel...@yahoo.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||vmel...@yahoo.com --- Comment #13 from vmel...@yahoo.com --- I have seen people arguing over this for a couple of decades now. There are threads about it all over the net. The IEC recommendation is not accepted worldwide. At JEDEC, their documentation uses the 1024 B = 1 kB definition (or KB if you prefer). The other problem: The Byte is not an SI unit. The bit is not a SI unit. SI comes from a scientific body and deals with the natural sciences (physics, chemistry, biology). On Linux, I have noticed that kiB, MiB, GiB, TiB are popular. Now, check out your Firefox, SearchMonkey, Chromium and probably a bunch of other apps. They are using 1024 B = 1 kB. This is what I propose. Let’s make everyone happy. Let’s satisfy everyone’s needs. Let’s write highly flexible/configurable programs. PUT IN 3 OPTIONS: 1. One for 1024 B = 1 kB (and 1024 kB = MB and etc). JEDEC lovers and Comp Sci traditional people will be happy with this. 2. One for the IEC dudes and dudettes. 1024 B = 1 kiB 3. One for the people who prefer to divide and multiple by 1000. 4. It’s even possible to satisfy xaxazak needs with his desire for a capital K. This way, we achieve maximum happiness joy satisfaction. That’s what I did in my program. In fact, if I was in charge of KDE, I would even add the option to have metric time. You just click on a check box and click OK. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[systemsettings] [Bug 364321] Ability to switch from JEDEC to SI units
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364321 Hector Martin changed: What|Removed |Added CC||hec...@marcansoft.com --- Comment #12 from Hector Martin --- Yeah, it seems very silly that this regressed in KF5; SI units are a lot more natural, are what storage media is marketed as, and also match data transfer rates (a 1MB file takes 1 second to transfer at 8Mbps or 1MB/s). This should absolutely be configurable, and I would go as far as saying SI units should be the default. Power of two storage sizes have no useful meaning; beyond sector/block sizes there is no power of two pattern. The only common quantities that are still measured in powers of two are RAM sizes, and the only use case for cross-referencing RAM sizes to file sizes is for things like VM suspend RAM images. That's it. (And I say this as someone who tinkers with hardware and kernels and deals with things like 8 MiB Flash images all the time - I couldn't care less that those are shown as 8.4 MB in directory listings. I know how to round down.) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[systemsettings] [Bug 364321] Ability to switch from JEDEC to SI units
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364321 Jérôme Borme changed: What|Removed |Added CC||jerome.bo...@laposte.net -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[systemsettings] [Bug 364321] Ability to switch from JEDEC to SI units
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[systemsettings] [Bug 364321] Ability to switch from JEDEC to SI units
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364321 Nate Graham changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||usability See Also||https://bugs.kde.org/show_b ||ug.cgi?id=394698 Status|REOPENED|CONFIRMED -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[systemsettings] [Bug 364321] Ability to switch from JEDEC to SI units
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364321 Nate Graham changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Summary|No ability to switch from |Ability to switch from |JEDEC to SI units in Plasma |JEDEC to SI units |5.x (KDE Frameworks Version | |: 5.22.0 / Qt 5.6.0)| Resolution|INTENTIONAL |--- --- Comment #11 from Nate Graham --- Heh, yeah. Re-opening. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
