Re: [kde-community] Your KDE highlight of 2014?
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Tuesday, December 23, 2014 20.31:55 Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > Sign on the door says KDE > > Does it say "Blue Systems" on the door, or just "KDE"? > It says "1a" in large silver letters. We then added a gratuitous amount of stickers. Jonathan was just trying to imply that we do let other people use the office for KDE things and that he likes that. I was being a pedant and literal to make sure there wasn't any confusion. Clearly I didn't help and led a positive thread off-topic. David ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Your KDE highlight of 2014?
On Tuesday, December 23, 2014 20.31:55 Jonathan Riddell wrote: > Sign on the door says KDE Does it say "Blue Systems" on the door, or just "KDE"? -- Aaron J. Seigo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] KDE fundraisers and things we've learned
On Tue, 23 Dec 2014, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote: Well, KO GmbH wasn't involved with the Krita fundraiser at all -- that was purely a volunteer effort in the Krita community. When we're out of the 2.9 crunch, we'll have to do another one, work on that will start in January, and we really should go live with it in March. Strictly speaking, true, but what I mean: KO in this case were the enablers. Krita was a quite widely used and finished app prior to the fundraising efforts. No, definitely no. This needs to be hammered home. KO GmbH never, ever was the Krita 'enabler'. KO worked with Intel on two projects, Krita Sketch and Krita Gemini. Apart from improved Windows stability, neither project added core features to Krita. KO paid my salary, but I did things outside of Krita for KO. The core improvements for Krita that made Krita into a five-out-of-five-artist's-choice in January's ImagineFX were the work of the Krita community and the Krita Foundation. When KO was already in some trouble, one of the things we tried was to start earning money by selling support for a product: the only product that was ready for end users in our competence was Krita. So that's what we tried to do. And with a better sales team and less distractions, we would have succeeded. We also sold Krita Gemini on Steam; that's something the Krita Foundation will try to continue doing. All those Phoronix-type rumours of "krita has lost its main backer" are much exaggerated. KO never employed the majority of Krita developers, or even the most important one, because that's not me, that's Dmitry. > So risks of Catch-22 situations like these were reduced: [User] I'll start using your product and maybe even support you if you a add feature FOO; [Dev] We have this fundraising exactly for the feature FOO. [User] -EINVAL That, basically, was the problem why we, at KO, couldn't sell support for Krita. "It's awesome, if you only add this, we'll start giving you money..." Boudewijn ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] [kde-promo] [kde-promo] FOSDEM
El Tuesday 23 December 2014 16:53:16, Albert Astals Cid escribió: > El Dimarts, 23 de desembre de 2014, a les 14:25:23, Lydia Pintscher va > > escriure: > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > > I've made a wiki page, please put your details on it if you can come and > > > if you can help https://community.kde.org/Promo/Events/FOSDEM/2015 > > > > This page is still looking a tad sad. If you're attending FOSDEM > > please have a look if you can help out with getting any parts of the > > booth stuff done. > > > > > We don't have claudia this year, does anyone know if there's a stock > > > of t-shirts and if there's a way to get them to brussels for selling? > > > > We've got t-shirts covered now it seems. > > Can we get some of the little Konquis to sell? > > Jose can you get this arranged? Or is it a bit late now? > > Cheers, > Albert The remaining ones from Akademy were given to Timothée so thay could be sold at Akademy-fr, but I think that not all of them were sold. Timothée: Are there some Konquis remaining? Are you going to attend FOSDEM? I will contact Alicia to see if she can make some more (Specially some medium- sized ones, as the only remaining ones from Akademy were small sized). ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] KDE fundraisers and things we've learned
On 23 December 2014 at 21:45, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > On Tue, 23 Dec 2014, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote: > >> We had opportunity to learn about the positive example of Krita. I >> don't extrapolate to other projects. Fundraising for *single* >> sub-project is a part time job alone or two, with incredibly >> intelligent people knowing the domain (art), with project's brand >> present at conference booths. >> Most likely for large apps we need business partners for that to >> happen (Krita had one), to get them we need ability to align to their >> needs, whatever that means in every specific case. > > Well, KO GmbH wasn't involved with the Krita fundraiser at all -- that was > purely a volunteer effort in the Krita community. When we're out of the 2.9 > crunch, we'll have to do another one, work on that will start in January, > and we really should go live with it in March. Strictly speaking, true, but what I mean: KO in this case were the enablers. Krita was a quite widely used and finished app prior to the fundraising efforts. So risks of Catch-22 situations like these were reduced: [User] I'll start using your product and maybe even support you if you a add feature FOO; [Dev] We have this fundraising exactly for the feature FOO. [User] -EINVAL > The topics will be animation, osx, python scripting and making krita faster > than photoshop, I expect. Cool to see this phase... -- regards, Jaroslaw Staniek KDE: : A world-wide network of software engineers, artists, writers, translators : and facilitators committed to Free Software development - http://kde.org Calligra Suite: : A graphic art and office suite - http://calligra.org Kexi: : A visual database apps builder - http://calligra.org/kexi Qt Certified Specialist: : http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] KDE fundraisers and things we've learned
On Tue, 23 Dec 2014, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote: We had opportunity to learn about the positive example of Krita. I don't extrapolate to other projects. Fundraising for *single* sub-project is a part time job alone or two, with incredibly intelligent people knowing the domain (art), with project's brand present at conference booths. Most likely for large apps we need business partners for that to happen (Krita had one), to get them we need ability to align to their needs, whatever that means in every specific case. Well, KO GmbH wasn't involved with the Krita fundraiser at all -- that was purely a volunteer effort in the Krita community. When we're out of the 2.9 crunch, we'll have to do another one, work on that will start in January, and we really should go live with it in March. The topics will be animation, osx, python scripting and making krita faster than photoshop, I expect. Boud ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Your KDE highlight of 2014?
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 09:23:22PM +0100, David Edmundson wrote: >On 23 Dec 2014 20:19, "Jonathan Riddell" wrote: >> >> >> I moved to Barcelona so I could spend my days in the KDE office here > >*blue systems office Sign on the door says KDE and lots of people use it who aren't blue systems Jonathan ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Your KDE highlight of 2014?
On 23 Dec 2014 20:19, "Jonathan Riddell" wrote: > > > I moved to Barcelona so I could spend my days in the KDE office here *blue systems office > > Jonathan > ___ > kde-community mailing list > kde-community@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Your KDE highlight of 2014?
I moved to Barcelona so I could spend my days in the KDE office here, there's some people working on Plasma, some on Kubuntu, some one KDE ES publicity (there's a free software meeting they organise), I've had a helper come in for Kubuntu QA, KDE Connects sees some love from here and KGet gets its porting from here. Everyone should drop by to say hi. Jonathan ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] [kde-promo] [kde-promo] FOSDEM
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Rick Timmis wrote: > I have the task of getting stuff printed, but I have no clue whats got to go > on what. What is an FLA? text for manifesto? > Some pointers and I can take care of anything that is Ink to Paper Cool :) John Layt made small business cards for the manifest last year. Maybe he still has the source for it. The FLA is the Fiduciary Licensing Agreement. It is at https://ev.kde.org/resources/ (Take the first one). We need two per person who signs it. If we have enough for 10 to 15 people that should be fine I think. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher KDE e.V. Board of Directors / KDE Community Working Group http://kde.org - http://open-advice.org ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] [kde-promo] [kde-promo] FOSDEM
On December 23, 2014 1:25:23 PM GMT, Lydia Pintscher wrote: >On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Jonathan Riddell >wrote: >> I've made a wiki page, please put your details on it if you can come >and if you can help >> https://community.kde.org/Promo/Events/FOSDEM/2015 > >This page is still looking a tad sad. If you're attending FOSDEM >please have a look if you can help out with getting any parts of the >booth stuff done. > >> We don't have claudia this year, does anyone know if there's a stock >> of t-shirts and if there's a way to get them to brussels for selling? > >We've got t-shirts covered now it seems. >Can we get some of the little Konquis to sell? Anyone up for getting >manifesto cards printed? Anyone up for getting a few FLAs printed for >signing there? > I have the task of getting stuff printed, but I have no clue whats got to go on what. What is an FLA? text for manifesto? Some pointers and I can take care of anything that is Ink to Paper Hth Rick > >Cheers >Lydia -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] FOSDEM Organisation
On 12/08/2014 08:14 AM, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: On Saturday 06 December 2014 08:36:35 Carl Symons wrote: At least some of the FOSDEM organizers believe that it's important. They have a social conduct policy. It's published in the front of the program brochure. Apparently John doesn't think that it is proper (whatever that means): "Social conduct policy The FOSDEM organisers were surprised to hear that harassment is a common problem at open source conferences around the world. While we have no evidence of antisocial behaviour ever having been a problem at FOSDEM, we would like to remind everyone that harassment of any kind will not be tolerated. Please report any concerns to a FOSDEM staff member (yellow shirts), or contact our coordinator Wynke on (telephone number)" from the 2014 conference in plain view (https://archive.fosdem.org/2014/assets/booklet-a1fec82960ed17ed7974bc2e9951 dfc898c83318f8634f7ee046d952ada8ecb7.pdf) That sounds pretty much exactly what at least I would be looking for in a code of conduct, I think it is quite well written and balanced. However, the important disadvantage of making your CoC available only to people who are already _at_ the conference is that people for whom the presence of a CoC is a criterion for joining the conference will never know there is one. So if they just put their social conduct policy on their website in addition to the brochure, I think it would be fine. Could you maybe ask your FOSDEM contact if they could do that, Carl? Thanks, Thomas Closing the loop on this request... About 2 hours after this message, I wrote to the FOSDEM contacts. Message below [1]. I did not receive a reply, and I can't find anything about the Code of Conduct on the FOSDEM site. My colleague (a woman) wrote: "Not that I am personally against a code of conduct, but being a FOSDEM attendee for the last 3 years, I don't feel that FOSDEM is not welcoming to women, or that it discriminates in any way. "I might be biased since I am one of FOSDEM organizers, but I truly think that FOSDEM is the foss event with less, if any, discrimination. But I would also be truly sorry if someone had a bad experience we don't know of." Carl [1] Message to FOSDEM contacts Mon, 08 Dec 2014 09:49:29 -0800 This issue has generated some interesting conversations within KDE. One person who supports your social conduct policy asked if it would be possible to have that statement on the FOSDEM website for people who don't actually attend and receive the attendee booklet. Perhaps a link on the About page. That person wrote: "That sounds pretty much exactly what at least I would be looking for in a code of conduct, I think it is quite well written and balanced. However, the important disadvantage of making your CoC available only to people who are already _at_ the conference is that people for whom the presence of a CoC is a criterion for joining the conference will never know there is one." Do you think that there could be a website link to the policy? ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] [kde-promo] [kde-promo] FOSDEM
El Dimarts, 23 de desembre de 2014, a les 14:25:23, Lydia Pintscher va escriure: > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > I've made a wiki page, please put your details on it if you can come and > > if you can help https://community.kde.org/Promo/Events/FOSDEM/2015 > > This page is still looking a tad sad. If you're attending FOSDEM > please have a look if you can help out with getting any parts of the > booth stuff done. > > > We don't have claudia this year, does anyone know if there's a stock > > of t-shirts and if there's a way to get them to brussels for selling? > > We've got t-shirts covered now it seems. > Can we get some of the little Konquis to sell? Jose can you get this arranged? Or is it a bit late now? Cheers, Albert > Anyone up for getting > manifesto cards printed? Anyone up for getting a few FLAs printed for > signing there? > > > Cheers > Lydia ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
[kde-community] KDE fundraisers and things we've learned
On Monday, 22 December 2014, Mario Fux wrote: > Good morning dear KDE people > > After KDE's first fundraiser (crowdfunding attempt) in 2012 [1] we had (or > it's still ongoing) six more this year: Thanks for the update, Mario. Here's some brainstorm that was like two sentences initially ;) Your summary helps me in one extra way: I must admit I didn't know about the Kommander effort -- the whole idea of reloading it, and of course about its fundraising. I don't recall a single blog about the idea, and I read blogs very often. This case alone is an argument for improving information flow. How can we convince non-KDE (often non-FOSS) people to our ideas without first knowing our goals. No committee is needed, in this particular case *one email or blog entry more* makes the difference. Here, did anyone think about split efforts since there’s direct overlap with Kexi? Maybe it would be easier to catch this if I managed to conduct my 'Point & Click Apps' Akademy lecture. Sometimes it helps to think about coordinating of what's the Akademy content and where do we want to expand, where's the potential. As soon as we want funds, picking of what topics interest us is not enough. Also related: be *realistic*. Be focused and crazy but set reasonable goals. Start small to show success. From the results I see common KDE fund-raising is a success, per-app fund-raising rarely is, so far. GCompris gets 10% of funds now, and it's popular app with business model behind it, I'm glad I met Bruno in person. So the fund-raising is an extra thing there, not the only option. There's content that's clearly defined as separate part. The app is widely available. We generally suck at badly at availability: by not offering easy installation options for 99% of our users. Raising $12,000 for Kommander that was not in active development for years? I'd love to see that it's possible and it's a game changer - I think 10x more isn't, the task is that complex. This should be a discussion elsewhere. We had opportunity to learn about the positive example of Krita. I don't extrapolate to other projects. Fundraising for *single* sub-project is a part time job alone or two, with incredibly intelligent people knowing the domain (art), with project's brand present at conference booths. Most likely for large apps we need business partners for that to happen (Krita had one), to get them we need ability to align to their needs, whatever that means in every specific case. Finally there's a niche. many KDE apps have FOSS competition and FOSS suffers from fragmentation and the deasktop-is-dead saga. I tend to think with these folks who are rarely wrong, Krita would get similar support *even* if it was written in MFC. Enjoy learning what's important for your user base. It's so often everything but what we love, not another re-factoring nor more configuration dialogs. Learning this can be cool as a new experience. PS: There are some actions on BountySource for Kexi, these are not listed here only because they're not really fundraisers, rather means to show the cost of developing actual features. -- regards, Jaroslaw Staniek KDE: : A world-wide network of software engineers, artists, writers, translators : and facilitators committed to Free Software development - http://kde.org Calligra Suite: : A graphic art and office suite - http://calligra.org Kexi: : A visual database apps builder - http://calligra.org/kexi Qt Certified Specialist: : http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] [kde-promo] [kde-promo] FOSDEM
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Jonathan Riddell wrote: > I've made a wiki page, please put your details on it if you can come and if > you can help > https://community.kde.org/Promo/Events/FOSDEM/2015 This page is still looking a tad sad. If you're attending FOSDEM please have a look if you can help out with getting any parts of the booth stuff done. > We don't have claudia this year, does anyone know if there's a stock > of t-shirts and if there's a way to get them to brussels for selling? We've got t-shirts covered now it seems. Can we get some of the little Konquis to sell? Anyone up for getting manifesto cards printed? Anyone up for getting a few FLAs printed for signing there? Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher KDE e.V. Board of Directors / KDE Community Working Group http://kde.org - http://open-advice.org ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
