Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - second draft for discussion

2016-02-24 Thread Stephen Kelly
Valorie Zimmerman wrote:

> Oooo, Steve! Thank you for capping off an excellent discussion.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Stephen Kelly  wrote:
>> I think the form
>>
>>  "A world in which everyone has  their digital life"
>>
>> is fantastic!
>>
>> It doesn't mention KDE. It doesn't have a 'subject' at all.
>> It has a very-inclusive object: 'everyone'
>> It is inspirational
>>
> After reading all of the above, which put into words my inchaote
> thoughts, I would like to offer the following version:

It seems your thoughts are not the same as my words at all :). Your 
suggestion seems to be exactly the opposite of what I wrote in many ways. 

Maybe I don't understand what you mean or what you want to communicate with 
that sentence.

> KDE: control your digital life

You dropped the reference to 'everyone'. You added a reference to KDE. You 
dropped the 'a world in which' making it less inspirational. Altogether it 
seems to me more like a marketing slogan.

Can you say why you made those changes?

Something I think you are right about is:

> Freedom, technology, software, privacy, all of that is IN there.

So for me, this is quite good:

 "A world in which everyone has control in their digital life"

I think it is good for all of the same reasons in my previous email. It is 
also more concise.

Thanks,

Steve.
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Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - second draft for discussion

2016-02-24 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer
> KDE: control your digital life

and

> KDE - Be in control of your digital life.

are both fantastic taglines, but not really visions. 
They sound like KDE already allows that _today_, it's not talking about a goal 
for the future to aim for.

We should keep one of those as a tagline for KDE, one we can put on marketing 
material of all kinds, but I think it's a bit too short for a vision for the 
future.

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Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - second draft for discussion

2016-02-24 Thread Clemens Toennies
On Feb 24, 2016 21:16, "Alexander Neundorf"  wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 22:59:35 Riccardo Iaconelli wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 07:37:07 PM Ingo Klöcker wrote:
> > > "KDE creates technology for a world in which everyone has freedom,
> > > privacy and control over their digital life."
> > >
> > > isn't a conflation of vision and mission. I wondered whether the
actual
> > > vision isn't just the second part, i.e. "a world in which everyone has
> > > freedom, privacy and control over their digital life", and whether
"KDE
> > > creates technology to enable everyone resp. the users of our
technology
> > > to enjoy or experience this freedom, etc." isn't already part of our
> > > mission. Just wondering (and maybe repeating myself :-)).
> >
> > So:
> >
> > "KDE envisions a world in which everyone has freedom, privacy and
control
> > over their digital life."
>
> This one completely avoids stating whether KDE does technology, software,
GUI,
> or whatever, so no conflict there.
> Maybe "envisions" is a bit passive ? E.g. something like "works for" or
> "fights for" ?
>
> still my favourite KDE T-shirt is "KDE - digital freedom".

How about:
KDE - Be in control of your digital life.

Greetings, Clemens.
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Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - second draft for discussion

2016-02-24 Thread Alexander Neundorf
On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 22:59:35 Riccardo Iaconelli wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 07:37:07 PM Ingo Klöcker wrote:
> > "KDE creates technology for a world in which everyone has freedom,
> > privacy and control over their digital life."
> > 
> > isn't a conflation of vision and mission. I wondered whether the actual
> > vision isn't just the second part, i.e. "a world in which everyone has
> > freedom, privacy and control over their digital life", and whether "KDE
> > creates technology to enable everyone resp. the users of our technology
> > to enjoy or experience this freedom, etc." isn't already part of our
> > mission. Just wondering (and maybe repeating myself :-)).
> 
> So:
> 
> "KDE envisions a world in which everyone has freedom, privacy and control
> over their digital life."

This one completely avoids stating whether KDE does technology, software, GUI, 
or whatever, so no conflict there.
Maybe "envisions" is a bit passive ? E.g. something like "works for" or 
"fights for" ?

still my favourite KDE T-shirt is "KDE - digital freedom".
But that's now probably really too short. ;-)

Alex
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Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - second draft for discussion

2016-02-24 Thread Alexander Neundorf
On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 16:50:16 Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
...
> After reading all of the above, which put into words my inchaote
> thoughts, I would like to offer the following version:
> 
> KDE: control your digital life

just a nitpick: worded like this, isn't this an order ?
"control your digital life !"


Alex

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