Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - second draft for discussion

2016-02-26 Thread Jos Poortvliet 
On Saturday, February 27, 2016 2:17:11 AM AMT Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> On Freitag, 26. Februar 2016 18:58:49 CET Alexander Dymo wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Jos Poortvliet  wrote:
> > > Note that our slogan is: "A safe home for all your data"
> > > "Access & share your files, calendars, contacts, mail & more from any
> > > device, on your terms"
> > I wish we could come up with similarly specific vision for KDE
> 
> Only that 
> 1. The latter part is _not_ part of ownCloud's vision. It's the byline to 
> their slogan.

Indeed, our vision would be:

"A world in which everybody has a safe place to store and manage their data".

> 2. ownCloud is _one_ product. A very versatile one, yes, but still a single 
> product, not a whole community with dozens of individual products.

Absolutely correct.

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Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - second draft for discussion

2016-02-26 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer 
On Freitag, 26. Februar 2016 18:58:49 CET Alexander Dymo wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Jos Poortvliet  wrote:
> > Note that our slogan is: "A safe home for all your data"
> > "Access & share your files, calendars, contacts, mail & more from any
> > device, on your terms"
> I wish we could come up with similarly specific vision for KDE

Only that 
1. The latter part is _not_ part of ownCloud's vision. It's the byline to 
their slogan.
2. ownCloud is _one_ product. A very versatile one, yes, but still a single 
product, not a whole community with dozens of individual products.
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Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - second draft for discussion

2016-02-26 Thread Alexander Dymo 
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Jos Poortvliet  wrote:
> Note that our slogan is: "A safe home for all your data"
> "Access & share your files, calendars, contacts, mail & more from any device, 
> on your terms"

I wish we could come up with similarly specific vision for KDE
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Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - second draft for discussion

2016-02-26 Thread Jos Poortvliet 
On Wednesday, February 24, 2016 10:22:22 PM AMT Stephen Kelly wrote:
> Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
> 
> > Oooo, Steve! Thank you for capping off an excellent discussion.
> > 
> > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Stephen Kelly  wrote:
> >> I think the form
> >>
> >>  "A world in which everyone has  their digital life"
> >>
> >> is fantastic!
> >>
> >> It doesn't mention KDE. It doesn't have a 'subject' at all.
> >> It has a very-inclusive object: 'everyone'
> >> It is inspirational
> >>
> > After reading all of the above, which put into words my inchaote
> > thoughts, I would like to offer the following version:
> 
> It seems your thoughts are not the same as my words at all :). Your 
> suggestion seems to be exactly the opposite of what I wrote in many ways. 
> 
> Maybe I don't understand what you mean or what you want to communicate with 
> that sentence.
> 
> > KDE: control your digital life
> 
> You dropped the reference to 'everyone'. You added a reference to KDE. You 
> dropped the 'a world in which' making it less inspirational. Altogether it 
> seems to me more like a marketing slogan.
> 
> Can you say why you made those changes?
> 
> Something I think you are right about is:
> 
> > Freedom, technology, software, privacy, all of that is IN there.
> 
> So for me, this is quite good:
> 
>  "A world in which everyone has control in their digital life"
> 
> I think it is good for all of the same reasons in my previous email. It is 
> also more concise.

I think she got sidetracked by the search for a slogan - I had the same, really 
liking what she wrote, then reading your mail and realizing it was a slogan, 
not a vision...

"A world in which everyone has control over their digital life" (in -> over) 
seems a great vision.

To execute, we'd need to create software which is easy to use and stable (we 
target 'everyone', after all), secure and giving you control over your privacy 
(duh) but typical KDE tendencies like making software flexible, powerful and 
configurable fit in this very well, too.

Of course, next KDE would have to define mission and strategy, in which more 
detailed things like "end user facing software", "cross-platform", "Qt" and 
more could or could not find a place.

To give a comparison, ownCloud's vision is something like (and I modified it to 
be in the same form):

"A world in which everybody has a safe place to store and manage their data".

Note that our slogan is: "A safe home for all your data"
with byline:
"Access & share your files, calendars, contacts, mail & more from any device, 
on your terms"

Note that ownCloud's vision is compatible with KDE's, just a bit less broad.

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> 
> Steve.
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Re: [kde-community] Wikis uneditable

2016-02-26 Thread Ingo Malchow 
Am Dienstag, 2. Februar 2016, 20:51:40 CET schrieb Ben Cooksley:
> Hi all,
> 
> Until further notice, all wikis hosted under KDE.org have been
> rendered uneditable by everyone except members of the Identity group
> "web-admins".
> 
> Unfortunately it seems bots (or a human sweatshop) have completely
> automated the login (via OpenID/Identity none the less) and abusive
> editing of many of our wikis.
> 
> This appears to be an issue being experienced by other Mediawiki
> installations elsewhere as well.
> 
> At some point we may reinvestigate restoring editing rights to a more
> limited number of users, but until then our wikis will remain closed
> to editing.
> 
> If necessary, we may need to consider migration to alternative Wiki
> software.
> 
> Regards,
> Ben Cooksley
> KDE Sysadmin
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This has been fixed now. The wikis are updated and the login was changed to an 
OAuth2 based login via Phabricator.
This means you need an identity account, and have it activated on http://
phabricator.kde.org
For more information see https://community.kde.org/Sysadmin/Wiki-Phablogin

Cheerio,
-- 
Ingo Malchow
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