Re: do you need www.kde.org write access?

[Boudewijn Rempt]

On Thursday, 8 March 2018 07:57:27 CET Ben Cooksley wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 12:42 AM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 7 March 2018 12:31:21 CET Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >> 
> >> We have been working on a modernized website and backend for www.kde.org.
> >> The new site will do away with the old PHP custom CMS and will run
> >> wordpress instead.
> > 
> > Does that mean we'll lose our history, just like koffice.org history from
> > the php times is only in subversion anymore and the wordpress (or
> > whatever it was) content is completely gone?
> 
> The current content of www.kde.org will still remain in Subversion at
> the very least.
> From my understanding the plan Sebas has mentioned envisages a
> temporary www-legacy.kde.org hostname being kept around until a full
> migration is completed.

So we _will_ lose proper access to KDE's release history. That's not good. 
Pages like  https://www.kde.org/announcements/ and everything it links to 
should be kept up in eternity.

-- 
Boudewijn Rempt | https://www.valdyas.org | https://www.krita.org

Re: do you need www.kde.org write access?

[Boudewijn Rempt]

On Thursday, 8 March 2018 07:58:46 CET Ben Cooksley wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:31 AM, Jaroslaw Staniek  wrote:
> > On 7 March 2018 at 12:42, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, 7 March 2018 12:31:21 CET Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> >> > Hi all,
> >> > 
> >> > We have been working on a modernized website and backend for
> >> > www.kde.org.
> >> > The new site will do away with the old PHP custom CMS and will run
> >> > wordpress instead.
> >> 
> >> Does that mean we'll lose our history, just like koffice.org history from
> >> the
> >> php times is only in subversion anymore and the
> >> wordpress (or whatever it was)
> >> content is completely gone?
> > 
> > But kde.org goes for
> > wordpress , right?
> > Sebastian, calligra.org uses wordpress so it stays unaffected, right?
> 
> The only website affected by this is www.kde.org.
> 
> No other site is impacted by this (and calligra.org is already on
> Wordpress anyway)

Yes -- I was refering to what has happened in the past to koffice.org. I'm 
trying to write a history of Krita right now, and I wanted to link to the 
release announcements. Linking to a php source file in subversion isn't a very 
good solution for that, and, of course, everything that was in koffice.org's 
cms was deleted and is gone for good. Fortunately, I could find dot.kde.org 
stories about most old releases, but the actual release history of koffice has 
gone.

-- 
Boudewijn Rempt | https://www.valdyas.org | https://www.krita.org

Re: do you need www.kde.org write access?

[Ben Cooksley]

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:31 AM, Jaroslaw Staniek  wrote:
>
>
> On 7 March 2018 at 12:42, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday, 7 March 2018 12:31:21 CET Sebastian Kügler wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > We have been working on a modernized website and backend for
>> > www.kde.org.
>> > The new site will do away with the old PHP custom CMS and will run
>> > wordpress instead.
>>
>> Does that mean we'll lose our history, just like koffice.org history from
>> the
>> php times is only in subversion anymore and the
>> wordpress (or whatever it was)
>> content is completely gone?
>
>
> But kde.org goes for
> wordpress , right?
> Sebastian, calligra.org uses wordpress so it stays unaffected, right?

The only website affected by this is www.kde.org.

No other site is impacted by this (and calligra.org is already on
Wordpress anyway)

Cheers,
Ben

>
>
>
> --
> regards, Jaroslaw Staniek
>
> KDE:
> : A world-wide network of software engineers, artists, writers, translators
> : and facilitators committed to Free Software development - http://kde.org
> KEXI:
> : A visual database apps builder - http://calligra.org/kexi
>   http://twitter.com/kexi_project https://facebook.com/kexi.project
> Qt Certified Specialist:
> : http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek

Re: Opportunity: Promo banners for Kdenlive and Krita

[Paul Brown]

On miércoles, 7 de marzo de 2018 20:08:12 (CET) Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
> On Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:02:19 CET Paul Brown wrote:
> > On miércoles, 7 de marzo de 2018 18:56:55 (CET) Jean-Baptiste Mardelle
> 
> wrote:
> > > On 05.03.2018 00:22, Ivana Isadora Devcic wrote:
> > > > Hi everybody,
> > > > 
> > > > hope you're having a great day! :)
> > > > 
> > > > Ryan from Inkscape shared this on Twitter - he made some seriously
> > > > cool banners for GIMP and Inkscape, and offered to make them for
> > > > Kdenlive and Krita, among others:
> > > > 
> > > > https://twitter.com/ryangorley/status/969712740817235968
> > > > 
> > > > I jumped in and said I would help him get in touch with the right
> > > > people, so this is my attempt at doing that. :)
> > > > 
> > > > I wanted to check here if there is any interest in having those
> > > > banners designed, as well as find out who to recommend as the main
> > > > contact(s).
> > > 
> > > Excellent! We would also be very happy with such a banner, and have a
> > > great event in preparation for the end of april so it would be perfect
> > > if the delays are not too short!
> > 
> > This event?: https://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2018/
> > 
> > What are your plans for that, Jean Baptiste?
> 
> I'm not him, but I will be going there. The LGM isn't much of an event for
> project banners though, at least the last few times I visited. It's small-
> scale. The focus last times was very much on people doing alternative high-
> brow art stuff with free software,

But that is fine, no? A sign of maturity. I understand there should be a place 
where devlopers should go and compare notes and learn from each other, but an 
event where you showcase the capabilities of the software and can draw in and 
end user community must be good.

What is this event like? Talks? Demos? Booths?

Paul
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Re: Opportunity: Promo banners for Kdenlive and Krita

[Boudewijn Rempt]

On Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:02:19 CET Paul Brown wrote:
> On miércoles, 7 de marzo de 2018 18:56:55 (CET) Jean-Baptiste Mardelle 
wrote:
> > On 05.03.2018 00:22, Ivana Isadora Devcic wrote:
> > > Hi everybody,
> > > 
> > > hope you're having a great day! :)
> > > 
> > > Ryan from Inkscape shared this on Twitter - he made some seriously
> > > cool banners for GIMP and Inkscape, and offered to make them for
> > > Kdenlive and Krita, among others:
> > > 
> > > https://twitter.com/ryangorley/status/969712740817235968
> > > 
> > > I jumped in and said I would help him get in touch with the right
> > > people, so this is my attempt at doing that. :)
> > > 
> > > I wanted to check here if there is any interest in having those
> > > banners designed, as well as find out who to recommend as the main
> > > contact(s).
> > 
> > Excellent! We would also be very happy with such a banner, and have a
> > great event in preparation for the end of april so it would be perfect
> > if the delays are not too short!
> 
> This event?: https://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2018/
> 
> What are your plans for that, Jean Baptiste?

I'm not him, but I will be going there. The LGM isn't much of an event for 
project banners though, at least the last few times I visited. It's small-
scale. The focus last times was very much on people doing alternative high-
brow art stuff with free software, not so much working on making software 
projects work well together as it was in the early days around 2007.

-- 
Boudewijn Rempt | https://www.valdyas.org | https://www.krita.org

Re: Opportunity: Promo banners for Kdenlive and Krita

[Paul Brown]

On miércoles, 7 de marzo de 2018 18:56:55 (CET) Jean-Baptiste Mardelle wrote:
> On 05.03.2018 00:22, Ivana Isadora Devcic wrote:
> > Hi everybody,
> > 
> > hope you're having a great day! :)
> > 
> > Ryan from Inkscape shared this on Twitter - he made some seriously
> > cool banners for GIMP and Inkscape, and offered to make them for
> > Kdenlive and Krita, among others:
> > 
> > https://twitter.com/ryangorley/status/969712740817235968
> > 
> > I jumped in and said I would help him get in touch with the right
> > people, so this is my attempt at doing that. :)
> > 
> > I wanted to check here if there is any interest in having those
> > banners designed, as well as find out who to recommend as the main
> > contact(s).
> 
> Excellent! We would also be very happy with such a banner, and have a
> great event in preparation for the end of april so it would be perfect
> if the delays are not too short!

This event?: https://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2018/

What are your plans for that, Jean Baptiste?

Paul
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Re: Opportunity: Promo banners for Kdenlive and Krita

[Jean-Baptiste Mardelle]

On 05.03.2018 00:22, Ivana Isadora Devcic wrote:

Hi everybody,

hope you're having a great day! :)

Ryan from Inkscape shared this on Twitter - he made some seriously 
cool banners for GIMP and Inkscape, and offered to make them for 
Kdenlive and Krita, among others:


https://twitter.com/ryangorley/status/969712740817235968

I jumped in and said I would help him get in touch with the right 
people, so this is my attempt at doing that. :)


I wanted to check here if there is any interest in having those 
banners designed, as well as find out who to recommend as the main 
contact(s).




Excellent! We would also be very happy with such a banner, and have a 
great event in preparation for the end of april so it would be perfect 
if the delays are not too short!


He can contact me directly for more details.
Thanks.
Jean-Baptiste Mardelle

If there is any better way to connect Ryan and Kdenlive/Krita teams 
other than telling him to send an email to the projects' mailing 
lists, please let me know.


(For example, if he should contact someone from those projects 
directly, or join a Telegram group - maybe the VDG one?)


Thanks a lot!

Cheers,
Ivana Isadora

Re: do you need www.kde.org write access?

[Nick Boyce]

On 7 March 2018 at 15:06, Sebastian Kügler  wrote:
> [This discussion should go to the kde-www list ...]
>
> On woensdag 7 maart 2018 15:31:50 CET Nick Boyce wrote:
>> On 7 March 2018 at 11:31, Sebastian Kügler  wrote:
>> > We have been working on a modernized website and backend for www.kde.org.
>> > The new site will do away with the old PHP custom CMS and will run
>> > wordpress instead.
[...]
>> To avoid my wasting everyone's time by repeating debates I'm sure must
>> already have occurred in depth regarding this decision, can anyone
>> please point me to any publicly accessible archive there may be of
>> such debate ?
>
> There have been two threads discussing this in the past months:
>
> * "Capacity / Wordpress Integration Theme" in August 2017
> * "Wordpress Changeover" in December 2017

Thanks Sebas.  For the benefit of anyone else who's interested, here they are:

https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-www/2017-August/006859.html
https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-www/2017-December/006936.html

It looks to me as if there is at least one person watching kde.org's
back on the security aspect here - Ben Cooksley - so I'm breathing
easier now :)

I'll keep any further comment from me on the kde-www list.

Cheers
Nick Boyce

Re: do you need www.kde.org write access?

[Sebastian Kügler]

[This discussion should go to the kde-www list, so please let's hold it just 
there as all www topics would easily overpower the kde-community list, I just 
CC:'ed kde-community as we're changing access rights and we need to make sure 
that no critical processes are being hindered.]

On woensdag 7 maart 2018 15:31:50 CET Nick Boyce wrote:
> On 7 March 2018 at 11:31, Sebastian Kügler  wrote:
> > We have been working on a modernized website and backend for www.kde.org.
> > The new site will do away with the old PHP custom CMS and will run
> > wordpress instead.
> 
> Sorry to be late to this party  I'm just following along at home
> here, but as a sysadmin with a reasonable level of interest in
> defending systems against breakin I choke on my breakfast as I read
> this statement.
> 
> To avoid my wasting everyone's time by repeating debates I'm sure must
> already have occurred in depth regarding this decision, can anyone
> please point me to any publicly accessible archive there may be of
> such debate ?

There have been two threads discussing this in the past months:

* "Capacity / Wordpress Integration Theme" in August 2017
* "Wordpress Changeover" in December 2017

Cheers,
-- 
sebas

http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org

Re: do you need www.kde.org write access?

[Nick Boyce]

On 7 March 2018 at 11:31, Sebastian Kügler  wrote:

> We have been working on a modernized website and backend for www.kde.org. The
> new site will do away with the old PHP custom CMS and will run wordpress
> instead.

Sorry to be late to this party  I'm just following along at home
here, but as a sysadmin with a reasonable level of interest in
defending systems against breakin I choke on my breakfast as I read
this statement.

To avoid my wasting everyone's time by repeating debates I'm sure must
already have occurred in depth regarding this decision, can anyone
please point me to any publicly accessible archive there may be of
such debate ?

Thanks

Nick Boyce

Re: do you need www.kde.org write access?

[Sebastian Kügler]

On woensdag 7 maart 2018 13:31:27 CET Jaroslaw Staniek wrote:
> On 7 March 2018 at 12:42, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, 7 March 2018 12:31:21 CET Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > We have been working on a modernized website and backend for www.kde.org.
> > The new site will do away with the old PHP custom CMS and will run
> > wordpress instead.
> 
> Does that mean we'll lose our history, just like koffice.org history from
> the php times is only in subversion anymore and the ​​wordpress (or
> whatever it was) content is completely gone?
> 
> But ​kde.org goes for ​wordpress , right?​
> Sebastian, calligra.org uses wordpress so it stays unaffected, right?

AFAIK, the plan is to only move www.kde.org for now. Please ask on the kde-www 
list, though, I'm just a messenger. :)
-- 
sebas

http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org

Re: do you need www.kde.org write access?

[Jaroslaw Staniek]

On 7 March 2018 at 12:42, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:

> On Wednesday, 7 March 2018 12:31:21 CET Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > We have been working on a modernized website and backend for www.kde.org
> .
> > The new site will do away with the old PHP custom CMS and will run
> > wordpress instead.
>
> Does that mean we'll lose our history, just like koffice.org history from
> the
> php times is only in subversion anymore and the
> ​​
> wordpress (or whatever it was)
> content is completely gone?
>

But ​kde.org goes for
​
wordpress , right?​
Sebastian, calligra.org uses wordpress so it stays unaffected, right?



-- 
regards, Jaroslaw Staniek

KDE:
: A world-wide network of software engineers, artists, writers, translators
: and facilitators committed to Free Software development - http://kde.org
KEXI:
: A visual database apps builder - http://calligra.org/kexi
  http://twitter.com/kexi_project https://facebook.com/kexi.project
Qt Certified Specialist:
: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek

Re: do you need www.kde.org write access?

[Sebastian Kügler]

On woensdag 7 maart 2018 12:42:23 CET Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
> On Wednesday, 7 March 2018 12:31:21 CET Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > We have been working on a modernized website and backend for www.kde.org.
> > The new site will do away with the old PHP custom CMS and will run
> > wordpress instead.
> 
> Does that mean we'll lose our history, just like koffice.org history from
> the php times is only in subversion anymore and the wordpress (or whatever
> it was) content is completely gone?

I don't know how the site data is stored, but probably you should ask this on 
the kde-www list. (This list was only in CC: for coverage reasons, you may 
have missed that.)

Cheers,
-- 
sebas

http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org