Re: Improving Bugzilla Status Names
Nate Graham ha scritto:
On 09/23/2018 03:40 AM, Elvis Angelaccio wrote:
On sabato 22 settembre 2018 17:31:31 CEST, Nate Graham wrote:
e.g. RESOLVED WONTFIX and RESOLVED INTENTIONAL both mean the same thing
("We won't be implementing this").
I'm not sure how "intentional" mean the same thing as "will not fix".
RESOLVED WONTFIX begs the question: "why won't you fix it"? Also, some users
would mentally add "are you lazy? do you hate me?" and become offended.
I'm sure that some users will challenge the reason of INTENTIONAL ("are you
nut? This is not how it should work").
Regardless of the reason, a status is just the most concise summary. For any
closing states, the developer should write down the reason in the last
comment, so that users can check the explanation for it (and make a WONTFIX
not scary, like any other final status).
There are a few reasons why a bug would previously have been closed as
RESOLVED WONTFIX:
- Because the software has been designed this way on purpose, so a change is
undesirable: REVOLVED INTENTIONAL covers this
- Because it is technically impossible to fix: essentially the same thing;
software was designed in that way, so RESOLVED INTENTIONAL is still appropriate
So those have the same meaning.
- Because the developer just doesn't feel like doing the work: not a valid
reason to close a bug; bug should stay open
- Because the developer wishes to spitefully punish the bug reporter for
behaving badly in the ticket, and in the process hurts all KDE users who could
benefit from a better resolution: not a valid reason to close a bug; bug
should stay open
I think that in both cases the RESOLVED WONTFIX should not be used, and at the
same time nothing prevents developers to use it just because it's called
INTENTIONAL, which means a complete equivalence of the two states.
If the reason for this change is prevent the 4th case, I'm not sure it's going
to help.
So I think REVOLVED INTENTIONAL covers all of the valid reasons to close a bug
report that the developers will not or cannot fix.
At least, that's what makes sense to me.
I'm not specifically attached to this change, so *I'm fine with keeping it as
it is.*
I would point out that the similar "Opinion" status on launchpad has been
challenged:
https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/Statuses
https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/772954
I agree that this entire discussion was rushed out.
--
Luigi
Re: Improving Bugzilla Status Names
On 09/23/2018 03:40 AM, Elvis Angelaccio wrote:
On sabato 22 settembre 2018 17:31:31 CEST, Nate Graham wrote:
e.g. RESOLVED WONTFIX and RESOLVED INTENTIONAL both mean the same
thing ("We won't be implementing this").
I'm not sure how "intentional" mean the same thing as "will not fix".
RESOLVED WONTFIX begs the question: "why won't you fix it"? Also, some
users would mentally add "are you lazy? do you hate me?" and become
offended.
There are a few reasons why a bug would previously have been closed as
RESOLVED WONTFIX:
- Because the software has been designed this way on purpose, so a
change is undesirable: REVOLVED INTENTIONAL covers this
- Because it is technically impossible to fix: essentially the same
thing; software was designed in that way, so RESOLVED INTENTIONAL is
still appropriate
- Because the developer just doesn't feel like doing the work: not a
valid reason to close a bug; bug should stay open
- Because the developer wishes to spitefully punish the bug reporter for
behaving badly in the ticket, and in the process hurts all KDE users who
could benefit from a better resolution: not a valid reason to close a
bug; bug should stay open
So I think REVOLVED INTENTIONAL covers all of the valid reasons to close
a bug report that the developers will not or cannot fix.
At least, that's what makes sense to me.
Nate
Re: Call for contributors for Fixture [ Qt5 based raster graphics editor ]
On zondag 23 september 2018 07:31:11 CEST Kuntal Majumder wrote: > You mean Pixeluvo right? If it is Pixeluvo, then sadly I have to disagree > with you again. The free version was just a 30 day trial, it is only > available for Linux and Windows, haven't tried all the features but can say > it for sure that the GUI was not a 1:1 clone, though pretty close. No, Emmanual meant "Pixel", created by Pavel Kanzelsberger. See https:// www.linuxjournal.com/article/9710 -- https://www.valdyas.org | https://www.krita.org
Re: Help us find a location for Akademy 2019
On Tuesday, 15 May 2018 20:11:34 BST Lydia Pintscher wrote: > Hey folks, > > Akademy 2018 is around the corner but we already have to start thinking > about 2019! We're looking for an enthusiastic team to host us in 2019. > If you or someone you know would like to do this please have a look at > https://dot.kde.org/2018/05/15/akademy-2019-call-hosts It'd also be > lovely if you could spread this call for locations so we don't miss a > potential host. > If you have any questions please feel free to reach out to the board or > the Akademy team. > Hi We are still looking for a location for Akademy 2019 -- Kenny (Male pronouns: he / him)
Re: Improving Bugzilla Status Names
On sabato 22 settembre 2018 17:31:31 CEST, Nate Graham wrote:
On 09/22/2018 05:41 AM, Elvis Angelaccio wrote:
We are talking about a pretty big change in our workflow
Can you comment on how this has impacted your workflow? For me
it hasn't resulted in any workflow changes at all since the new
strings mean the same thing as the old ones. The point was
simply to soften them a bit.
e.g. RESOLVED WONTFIX and RESOLVED INTENTIONAL both mean the
same thing ("We won't be implementing this").
I'm not sure how "intentional" mean the same thing as "will not fix".
However, because
feature requests get implemented and not fixed, the presence of
the word "fix" in the phase WONTFIX implied that there is a bug
that we are ignoring for some reason, which was obviously not
true.
That's all true, but... that's just how bugzilla works.
In fact, if we do implement the wishlist, we close the ticket as FIXED. :D
Nate
Cheers,
Elvis
Re: Improving Bugzilla Status Names
On sabato 22 settembre 2018 14:35:21 CEST, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: On zaterdag 22 september 2018 13:41:39 CEST Elvis Angelaccio wrote: I'm surprised the new names have already been deployed on bugzilla. We are talking about a pretty big change in our workflow and I think we didn't discuss it enough. Also, many developers are not on this list and we should have contacted at least kde-devel first. I disagree. If you're part of the KDE community, you should be on this list. Right, but that doesn't change the fact that some developers (for whatever reason) are not on this list. And bugzilla is a tool mainly for developers. And it's been discussed on and off for over a year: plenty enough. It took less than a week this time, though. I wanted to join this discussion but I was too late, that's a bit frustrating. For example, I don't understand how am I supposed to close wishlists now. Resolved-Wontix made sense to me, Resolved-Later or Resolved-Intentional do not, imho. In my opinion, resolved/intentional is as appropriate as resolved/wontfix -- since a wish isn't bug, implementing it isn't a fix either. All bugzilla statuses are crutches, that's just something we have to live with. But at least wontfix is used almost everywhere and its meaning is standard (people even use it as a verb!). Cheers, Elvis
