Re: Gitlab update, 2FA now mandatory

[Ivan Čukić]

> > Sorry to be dense, but without a webauthn token device, it seems I'm at
> > a total block if I don't have a phone (or don't have it with me.)  Is
> > that correct, or is there some fine manual I need to read?
> 
> You can generate TOTP codes using KeePassXC.

There's also Dan Vratil's Plasma Pass which does OTP (I'm using it for 
everything nowadays - don't even launch the app on my phone anymore)

Cheers,
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Re: MPL2 instead of LGPL

[Ivan Čukić]

> > I've read now multiple times about projects replacing their use of
> > LGPLv3 [1] with MPL2 [2]. I would be interested in what people in the
> > KDE community think about that.

Maybe an alternative to MPL could be these:
1) GPL with runtime exception (if GCC's standard library can use it, I guess 
we can as well) https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/manual/license.html
2) Boost license as it is also created for a set of template-heavy C++ 
libraries

> If one wants to write a modern C++ library that makes heavy use of
> templates in the API and which proprietary consumers should be able to
> use is this clause alone reason to prefer the MPL2 over the LGPL or is
> my concern unfounded?

Now, if you don't want to sue anyone, the "10 lines" thing is not a problem. 
:)

You can ask around people that have C++ libraries published under LGPL
if they had clients confused about the licensing. There is quote a lot of FUD 
about (L)GPL often created by companies with dual-licensing models (not gonna 
mention any names here) so I could see a company being afraid of using an LGPL 
library. But, on the other hand, if you clearly explain what LGPL means in the 
context of your library, I'd say LGPL will not be a problem.

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Re: Information regarding upcoming Gitlab Migration: clarifications

[Ivan Čukić]

> We have made a big fuss in the past about having different projects
> that do the same thing and now we'll have that but also we'll have
> several projects with the same name?
> It really feels off to me and I wonder if this is related to the move to
> gitlab.

+1 to both sentiments - that projects should have different names and that 
this is a bit off topic for the gitlab migration.

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Re: Update on Status of Gitlab Migration

[Ivan Čukić]

Hi all,

While I do like the invent name, I agree there should be a redirect of some 
sort from git.kde.org to it.

The aforementioned Debian salsa server has one as well - https://
git.debian.org/ - a message stating that the new server is 'salsa.debian.org'

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Re: Qt, Open Source and corona

[Ivan Čukić]

> want use KDE as the "open version of Qt" shop then we should probably
> first look at the number of fixes to upstream actually made through
> KDE mirrors directly. I.e. count how many people use KDE repos to

I think I agree with your sentiment, but:

Not sure what you meant here - patches can not go from KDE mirror to Qt 
directly:
 - CLA
 - It is a mirror - all development is done in Qt's GIT repository.

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Re: New homepage for kde.org

[Ivan Čukić]

> The Community section feels like it has too many pictures in it. Maybe
> pare that down to just 3, like an Akademy group photo, the GSoC photo,
> and the LaKademy 2018 photo.

This was my first reaction as well, but after a few seconds passed, I decided 
I actually like it this way - if we have rebranded KDE to be a 'community', we 
need to show the community spirit and the photos are quite warming.

Obviously, most people that come to kde.org want primarily the information 
about our software, but these photos shows we are much more than that.

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KDE Privacy session at Akademy

[Ivan Čukić]

Hi all,

There is one slot in Akademy program where, like the last year, we have a 
chance to talk about privacy improvements we made to KDE software.

Any takers to have a small sub-presentation on their favourite privacy thing? 
I'll do a small one on Vaults, Volker could talk about KItinerary, ...

All are welcome to join. If you are not going to be at Akademy, but would like 
your contribution to be presented, send me the slides along with some text.

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Re: Licensing policy change proposal

[Ivan Čukić]

Since all of these mostly boil down to CC0, I'll only comment on it.

> > https://spdx.org/licenses/CC0-1.0.html
> 
> CC0 should be uncontroversial, it should be definitely allowed by our
> license policy.

If I'm not mistaken, none of the licenses we allow at the moment is a "public 
domain"-like license - in the sense that the author information is not 
preserved.

I'm generally leaning against licenses like these - even if authors (of code, 
of art, etc.) allow us to forget them, I like giving credit where credit's 
due.

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Re: update on goals - June 11

[Ivan Čukić]

Just to add Plasma Vault to the Privacy part (though some work on it
precedes the goals creation):

https://cukic.co/kde:vault/ (list of posts)

Cheers,
Ivan

Re: kde.org and Plasma LTS

[Ivan Čukić]

Glad you like it :)

Ch!

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:59 AM, Valorie Zimmerman
<valorie.zimmer...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Woot! Fast and great work there, Ivan! and thank you Riddell for
> getting it up quickly.
>
> Valorie
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 3:53 PM, Jonathan Riddell <j...@jriddell.org> wrote:
>>
>> Groovy I put that on kde.org now
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 08:07:56PM +0100, Ivan Čukić wrote:
>>> If nobody creates a better one:
>>> http://poincare.matf.bg.ac.rs/~ivan/files/plasma-5-12-lts-logo.jpg
>>>
>>> Not my best work, but it fits the website reasonably well. It is not a
>>> big "12" nor
>>> anything similar, but it is ... something :]
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ivan
>>>
>>> [edit] just realized it does 'contain' one and two in a sense
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 7:39 PM, Jonathan Riddell <j...@jriddell.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > The image is a large 8 so the whole thing needs changed.  The background 
>>> > behind the 8 image would be best to update but I don't suppose anyone is 
>>> > too fussed.  The 'Plasma 5.8 LTS' text is just text which is changed in a 
>>> > json file.
>>> >
>>> > Jonathan
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:59:52AM -0700, Andy Betts wrote:
>>> >> Like I said. Are we ok if we just change the version number and keep the 
>>> >> same
>>> >> background?
>>> >>
>>> >> Thank you,
>>> >>
>>> >> Andy
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 2/28/2018 10:51:39 AM, Ben Cooksley <bcooks...@kde.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:17 AM, Andy Betts wrote:
>>> >> > I was approached to work on a banner for the page, but I haven't 
>>> >> had the
>>> >> > time to make anything. I think that maybe an easy change is to 
>>> >> simply
>>> >> change
>>> >> > the text to show the right version but maybe not change the 
>>> >> wallpaper
>>> >> behind
>>> >> > it. Bushan seemed to have access.
>>> >>
>>> >> Access isn't a problem, it's having an image ready to replace the 
>>> >> current
>>> >> one.
>>> >> I've no idea how the current one was produced, so it would be nice if
>>> >> someone familiar with that, or an artist, where to put together the
>>> >> replacement.
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >> Ben
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thank you,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Andy
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On 2/28/2018 9:15:39 AM, Ivan Čukić wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I can do it for Plasma if nobody from VDG is available.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Ch
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
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>>> >>
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Re: kde.org and Plasma LTS

[Ivan Čukić]

I can do it for Plasma if nobody from VDG is available.

Ch



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kde.org and Plasma LTS

[Ivan Čukić]

Hi all,

Can someone (who has the permissions to do so) update www.kde.org -
the scrolling banner thingie shows Plasma 5.8 LTS instead of 5.12 LTS.

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Re: Input on privacy goal

[Ivan Čukić]

Hi all,

My main target for this is improving the Plasma Vaults. There are
quite a few things in the works for after-the-LTS-release of Plasma
(kinda already done, but didn't want to merge for LTS):

- Forcing airplane mode (going offline) when certain vaults are open
(per-vault configuration)
- Support for gocryptfs (it recently received a favourable 3rd party
security audit) as the default encryption system

Other things will mostly be about usability.

Cheers,
Ivan

Re: Telemetry Policy

[Ivan Čukić]

Hi all,

While I do see the point behind 'off-by-default', I think it will ruin
the purpose since nobody will turn it on.

I'd propose having it on by default (at least) for pre-releases.

Cheers,
Ivan

Re: KDE licence policy update

[Ivan Čukić]

Hi all,

I'm a bit late to the party.

If I'm not too late, one addition I'd like to propose to (4) is the
Boost license. It is similar to BSD/MIT without requiring attribution
with binaries. It is approved by OSI and by FSF.

The reason for this proposal is that the Boost project provides one of
the largest C++ codebases, and is not completely ignored by our
software. :)

> -Allow AGPL for web apps
> -Encourage AGPL for web apps

As for AGPL, +1 for making it the recommended option for web apps.

Cheers,
Ivan

Re: Official "Going to Akademy" banner by Ivan Čukić

[Ivan Čukić]

I see it in your post as well as Riddell's, both in Firefox and Chromium.

Ivan

Re: [kde-community] Distribution outreach program: Where do we go from here?

[Ivan Čukić]

> As I regularly complain: count me in ;-)

Me as well.

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Re: [kde-community] Distribution outreach program: Where do we go

[Ivan Čukić]

Hi Jonathan,

> Right, from the KDE neon FAQ:

Unfortunately, FAQ is not enough, this is something that we will have
to repeat over and over again. There will be some trolls who will post
that this is 'the kde distro', and some people will believe him, and
spread the word (because, nowadays, every comment on the net is a
'credible source' :/).

I don't see how it surprises anyone that most people, when they see a
statement online, that they do not go fact-checking, but consider it
to be the truth.

My favourite example was that so many people claimed that the new
millennium starts on Jan 1st 2000 citing Bill Clinton (former POTUS)
saying it on TV.

> better looking at weekly Plasma ISOs
> (http://files.kde.org/snapshots/), Plasma Wayland ISOs
> (http://files.kde.org/snapshots/), Plasma mobile images
> (http://kubuntu.plasma-mobile.org/) and Plasma Active images
> (https://files.kde.org/plasma/active/).
>
> Weirdly nobody ever complained about these or wrote articles saying
> they were a terrible idea.

Not really true, since there have been complaints about Plasma Netbook
ISO and Plasma Active IIRC.

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Re: [kde-community] Should we allow non-KDE projects to participate in GSoC under KDE?

[Ivan Čukić]

> Just FTR, we don't give away our own slots, but we ask for slots after
> we decide how many projects we are going to select.

And with that I'm completely fine.

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[kde-community] Licensing question with header-only libraries

[Ivan Čukić]

Hi all,

I'm preparing a library that will probably end up being a header-only library.
I would like to use a license like LGPL - the code in question needs
to stay free, but that it can be used from non-free code like it is
the case with other frameworks.

The issue is that (if I'm correct) LGPL does not have anything
different to GPL in this case since this is not a library that is
dynamically linked - if someone uses it, its code becomes a part of
the end product.

If the above is correct, I think we should add a GPL+exception to the
list of approved licences.

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Re: [kde-community] Licensing question with header-only libraries

[Ivan Čukić]

> I'd go with LGPL+exception. It's effectively the same as GPL+exception in
> this context but shows the intent of providing a library. If someone ever

I have never seen a project under LGPL+exception, that is the reason I
wrote GPL+exception. For me, it is the same, but I agree it would be
more obvious to the client if 'L' was added.

Now, the main problem here is that (L)GPL+exception is not on the list
of approved licenses for our code. :)

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Re: [kde-community] Licensing question with header-only libraries

[Ivan Čukić]

> You may have heard of one. It's called Qt. From 2009 to 2016, it's been
> licensed as LGPLv2.1 + exception.

Completely forgot about that tbh. :)

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Re: [kde-community] Licensing question with header-only libraries

[Ivan Čukić]

Hi Olivier,

Thanks for this info - exactly what I needed!

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Re: [kde-community] Berlin meet-up this weekend?

[Ivan Čukić]

I'm more for a mid-day meeting (Sunday or Monday), or after the
conference on Saturday (after the closing keynote)

Cheers,
Ivan
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On 2 December 2015 at 00:21, Alex Merry  wrote:
> I'm in Berlin from Thursday evening to Monday afternoon because of a C++
> conference (which I recognise a few KDE names at in the speakers list, let
> alone the attendees). Anyone fancy meeting up one evening? Or even during
> the day on Sunday or Monday.
>
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Re: [kde-community] Official KDE mirror on github in the light of the KDE manifesto

[Ivan Čukić]

>> > work! With our developer weight visibility is guaranteed! United we
>> > stand...
>> e.g. Gitlab?
> Or Phabricator, since we as a community have choosen it?

+1


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Re: [kde-community] KDE dinner in Berlin - October 3

[Ivan Čukić]

Hi,

I'm game, I'm arriving for QtWS on Saturday around noon, so I guess
have enough time to rest before the dinner.

One of my favourite places in Berlin is
http://www.tiergartenquelle.de/, a few meters from the S-bahn station
Tiergarten. They are usually full on Saturdays, so we would need to
make a reservation.

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Re: [kde-community] Official KDE mirror on github

[Ivan Čukić]

> All this started with a KDE github mirror and *just a mirror*.
> No pull requests. No bugtracker.

+100


Although I don't like the idea of what I'm about to say, here it goes.

If you want to have a project that has issue tracking and pull
requests on github - just create personal clone (just like a few
projects did before we created the kde mirror).

Officially (what we agreed on) is that github is just a mirror, not
another valid workflow for kde development.

Those personal repositories will not be considered a part of KDE
infrastructure, and nobody will complain that KFoo has github pull
support, and KBar does not.

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Re: [kde-community] Official KDE mirror on github

[Ivan Čukić]

> That was why I suggested reaching out to GitHub instead of the user :)

+1

Even if the account was active, it is still our TM.

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Re: [kde-community] Phabricator: Make it happen already!

[Ivan Čukić]

> I'm concerned that with Differential, one will have to do a lot more
> than just sign up for an Identity and upload a diff to get started.

You can go to differential and click on the 'Create Diff' button.

One benefit is that it is much faster than in RB where you need to
wait for a huge list of projects to get loaded before being able to
proceed.

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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Ivan Čukić]

+1 for snapshot

It is a part of Plasma workspace (and possibly other friendly
workspaces), so I don't even see it as a problem if other applications
with the same name exist (the only thing I've checked is that debian
has no package named 'snapshot').

If other projects can take names like Music, etc. i do not see why
this would not be acceptable.


Cheers,
Ivan

On 24 August 2015 at 16:00, Luigi Toscano luigi.tosc...@tiscali.it wrote:
 Jaroslaw Staniek ha scritto:
 On 24 August 2015 at 15:53, Martin Klapetek martin.klape...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Boudhayan Gupta bgu...@kde.org wrote:

 On 24 August 2015 at 18:45, Martin Klapetek martin.klape...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 KSnapshot2.

 One of the points brought up was that KDE Applications are moving away
 from using a K-prefixed name, so I want to ride that bandwagon.


 My other suggestion would then be Snapshot. Keeps it simple and
 recognizable,
 kinda tied to KSnapshot even, no need for the fancy/cryptic names, I'd say.


 +1

 If KSnapshot is going to be abandoned why to loose the great privilege
 to use the Snapshot name.

 If there are other Snapshot applications around, it's a no-go.

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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Ivan Čukić]

When I said part of Plasma, was aiming at KDE workspace, not part of
plasma-* package. I don't believe it will be popular amongst Gnome,
MINT, Elementary, etc. users, right?

Just the same as Gnome Music will not be used by us.

Ch

On 24 August 2015 at 16:45, Luigi Toscano luigi.tosc...@tiscali.it wrote:
 Ivan Čukić ha scritto:
 +1 for snapshot

 It is a part of Plasma workspace (and possibly other friendly
 workspaces), so I don't even see it as a problem if other applications
 with the same name exist (the only thing I've checked is that debian
 has no package named 'snapshot').

 It's not part of Plasma (no need to be).


 If other projects can take names like Music, etc. i do not see why
 this would not be acceptable.

 It does not mean we should follow (I personally don't like that pattern for
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Re: [kde-community] Participate with KDE at Qt World Summit 2015

[Ivan Čukić]

Hi,

I'll be there as a speaker, so I don't need the tickets.

But, I would not mind hanging around the KDE booth part of the time,
and I always volunteer for session chairing.

Cheers,
Ivan

On 9 August 2015 at 12:48, Sune Vuorela s...@vuorela.dk wrote:
 Qt World summit is approaching, and it is likely going to be amazing:

 http://www.qtworldsummit.com/ - 5th - 7th October 2015

 KDE will be there, with a booth and gaining knowledge and helping the
 conference a bit.

 We have quite a bit of tickets, so now we just need people. Are you one of
 them?

 Besides getting to watch a lot of interesting talk content, we need some
 people to man the booth from time to time to mostly talk to Qt users. Few of
 them are current Plasma Desktop users. All of them are potential future KDE
 Framework users. We need to make that happen.

 We also need to help a bit at the conference. The last couple of years it has
 been session chairing a bit, and moving a stack of chairs.

 Note that it is not access to the trainings on monday, but we have a meeting
 room to discuss things and/or hack on stuff.

 So. For those who wants to join in, please contact me and I will see to get
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Re: [kde-community] Closing the kde-core-devel mailing list

[Ivan Čukić]

 How about the opposite? Close the frameworks list and move that discussion
 back here, where it belongs.

+1

For me, the frameworks list was useful for the work on splitting. Now, it is 
(kinda) business as usual, so we can all just return back to k-c-d.


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Re: [kde-community] SCRUM in KDE

[Ivan Čukić]

 Would be very interested about this.

Me as well :)

I don't care that much about scrum sprints, but it would be really useful for 
task organization, and progress tracking.

Cheerio,
Ivan

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Re: [kde-community] Translating the KDE manifesto

[Ivan Čukić]

 I'm very unsure whether translation is a good idea at all. It's too easy to
 change the meaning and just think about how carefully we worded everything
 to make the meaning quite clear. It's possible that a certain wording will
 get a different meaning in another language just because it's not possible
 to translate correctly.

Its not that the manifesto is a legal binding document for it to need 
translations that have the super-careful wording.

One thing that we could do, is to follow the Creative Commons principle of 
having official (verified by local and CC lawyers) and unofficial translations 
(that desire to become official at some point).

For translations, we'll need manifesto versioning - as it is very likely that 
changing the manifesto will not trigger translations to be updated.

Cheers,
Ivan

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