Re: Babe project - Legal feedback

[Michael Pyne]

On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 03:19:04PM -0500, Camilo Higuita Rodriguez wrote:
> My case is the following, let's say that there's a feature for streaming
> audio, and the users stream the song they are listening to, what would go
> down in that case? Who's in legal troubles?
> 
>  Also if I were to send an mp3 over email to a few friends, where's the
> illegal stand point there? The platform has some fault for allowing to
> "distribute" the file? Or the user who emailed the content?

This mail is more general advice, not directed exactly towards this
question, but still I think it may be helpful.

First, remember that to some extent, organizations based around
delivering and building a software ecosystem based on Free software are
inherently users and stakeholders in strong copyright, given the way our
laws "protecting" intellectual work are structured.  Concepts like
"copyright" (in the form of copyleft), are what prevent private parties
or companies from simply taking our Free software and making a private
fork without sharing the source.

Sometimes a private fork would be too much effort to go after (just like
media companies don't try to enforce every license infringement they
encounter), but for when it's not, we actually *need* copyright to be
able to enforce license disputes.  So it would be hypocritical for us to
use copyright as the shield to defend our Free software ecosystem on one
hand, but then ignore copyright when others are legitimately using it.

Yes, there are other concerns, such as the nearly infinite extension of
copyright that the big media companies seem able to achieve at will, but
still -- it would be self-defeating to act as if we only weakly care
about copyright, or even worse, only care when it serves our interests.

Secondly, the debate between legal agency of a "platform" and the legal
agency of a "platform user" is pretty much never that clear cut to be
only on the user's side.  Even here in the United States, where we have
strong gun rights and mottos like "guns don't kill people, *people* kill
people", there are still laws against the unrestricted sale or
distribution of some types of guns or gun-related gear.  So even our
culture doesn't *completely* ignore the fact that the platform matters,
even on issues like guns (and stronger weaponry, like bombs and
explosives).  And in cultures and societies that have stronger
prohibitions against guns (i.e. pretty much all the other ones ;), the
legal question is already slanted in favor of the idea that platforms
matter, not just user action or intent.

The NSA also makes similar justifications for their actions, saying that
their surveillance actions (however icky) are conducted under a fully
legal framework and that abuses are infrequent and due to "bad apple"
users of their intelligence platform, not the existance of the platform
itself.  NSA's many detractors (many of whom come from communities like
this one) tend to disagree, and say that the platform -- however
technically legal -- is a problem just by being.

So I guess all I'm trying to say is that even for us the right thing to
do can legitimately be complicated, even without worrying about media
lawyers.  It /would/ be nice to be able to have 'virtual' parties with
close friends without all having to be in the same room :), but getting
there may be thorny.

Regards,
 - Michael Pyne

Re: Babe project - Legal feedback

[Camilo Higuita Rodriguez]

I will get in touch with the kde e.v.
I just want to make clear that I wouldn't implement such system without
discussing it beforehand with the community.
This is just an open discussion I wanted to have to get feedback.

The platform I'm working on so far has nothing to be sorry about, legally.

Camilo

On Feb 3, 2018 5:27 PM, "Albert Astals Cid"  wrote:

> El dissabte, 3 de febrer de 2018, a les 21:26:24 CET, Nicolás Alvarez va
> escriure:
> > 2018-02-03 17:07 GMT-03:00 Albert Astals Cid :
> > > El dissabte, 3 de febrer de 2018, a les 18:07:27 CET, Camilo Higuita
> > > Rodriguez>
> > > va escriure:
> > >> Hi,everyone
> > >>
> > >> I'd like to discuss something with the community, and maybe get some
> > >> legal
> > >> input:
> > >>
> > >> As some of you might already know I'm working on a open online
> platform
> > >> to
> > >> share music information between users, such as public playlists,
> comments
> > >> on tracks and on the playback progress like soundcloud, share popular
> > >> music
> > >> suggestions, metadata, and discovery of new music from another users
> with
> > >> integration with YouTube and Spotify etc... the platform will be
> > >> integrated
> > >> into Babe music player and could be use in any other music player
> > >>
> > >> The legal matter comes here:
> > >> 1- I would like to either have the option to *stream live* the music
> an
> > >> user is currently listening to to a group of friends. here the music
> file
> > >> isn't being storaged in the audience computer...
> > >> How ilegal is it? How illegal is to stream live, but privately,
> > >> copyrighted
> > >> music?  and how illegal is it to stream owns music content to a
> selected
> > >> group of friends?
> > >>
> > >> 2- If the stream part wouldn't be enought problem, I'd also like to
> sync
> > >> a
> > >> user playlist marked as public to some other friends, that would mean
> to
> > >> share music files between users, and technically downloading another
> > >> users
> > >> music files. How illegal is this part? how illegal is to share a music
> > >> file
> > >> for example, in a conversation in telegram or whatsapp, or even how
> > >> illegal
> > >> is it to send a mp3 to a friend over an email or even over google
> drive?
> > >>
> > >> I'd like to get feedback about this issues.
> > >>
> > >> As the project is going to be hosted by the KDE community this
> streaming
> > >> part won't be implemented to avoid legal issues, but however I would
> like
> > >> to have this discussion to get as many feedback as possible.
> > >
> > > I am not sure you're approaching this the right way.
> > >
> > > For me it doesn't really matter if users can do illegal stuff with our
> > > software, what matters is that the software is legal and that it has
> legal
> > > uses (see KTorrent).
> > >
> > > What I think you should be asking yourself is "will I/KDE be in
> problems
> > > for shipping this sofware?" more than "can my user pontentially get in
> > > trouble for using my sofware to do illegal stuff?".
> >
> > As I understand it, some of these Babe features would involve KDE
> > servers; it's not fully peer-to-peer.
> >
> > KTorrent is legal and has legal uses, and if its users use it for
> > illegal stuff, that's their problem. But if KDE ran a BitTorrent
> > tracker on its infrastructure and people used it for copyrighted
> > content, would we get in trouble? Even though (like ThePirateBay's
> > defense says) trackers don't host or distribute content, just tell
> > peers where the other peers are?
>
> That's much more of a dark gray area and I would strongly advise KDE having
> anything to do with servers involved in that.
>
> Cheers,
>   Albert
>
>
>
>

Re: Babe project - Legal feedback

[Andreas Pour]

Reproducing, publicly performing or redistributing a copyrighted work without a 
license is illegal almost everywhere (China/Russia/etc. may be exceptions).  
RIP The Pirate Pay, Megaupload, etc.  Not that some folks haven't made a ton of 
money doing it anyway until a crack-down.  

Andreas


On Saturday, February 3, 2018 12:07 PM, Paul Brown  
wrote:
 

 Hello Camilo,

Not a lawyer either and you would need confirmation from a legal expert, but 
you questions are not hard:

> 1- I would like to either have the option to *stream live* the music an
> user is currently listening to to a group of friends. here the music file
> isn't being storaged in the audience computer...
> How ilegal is it? How illegal is to stream live, but privately, copyrighted
> music?  and how illegal is it to stream owns music content to a selected
> group of friends?

This is illegal in most countries, since it is akin to file-sharing. In 
Germany they can fine private users up to € 1,000 euros for this.

Solution: Build in a license-identifier and allow streaming of music only 
under permissive licenses or in the public domain.

> 2- If the stream part wouldn't be enough problem, I'd also like to sync a
> user playlist marked as public to some other friends, that would mean to
> share music files between users, and technically downloading another users
> music files. How illegal is this part? how illegal is to share a music file
> for example, in a conversation in telegram or whatsapp, or even how illegal
> is it to send a mp3 to a friend over an email or even over google drive?

Illegal in most countries because it is actual file-sharing of copyrighted 
material. 

Solution 1: see above and only allow sharing of music distributed under 
permissive licenses.

Solution 2: allow sharing the playlist, only the list, but not the files 
themselves. Excuse me because I don't know much about your software, but, if 
you share the list, surely there would be a way to allow the receiving users 
to compile the list from their existing collection and complete it legally by 
facilitating purchasing of the missing songs from a store or using an online 
streaming service like Spotify (or whatever kids use nowadays).

There is a silver-lining though: If you do implement a license identifier (I 
have no idea how that would work) and users see the additional advantage of 
listening to free (as in freedom) because of the extra features they can 
enjoy, you will be helping the Free Culture movement.

Cheers

Paul
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Re: Babe project - Legal feedback

[Andy B]

On February 3, 2018 at 1:19:33 PM, Camilo Higuita Rodriguez (
chigui...@unal.edu.co) wrote:

My case is the following, let's say that there's a feature for streaming
audio, and the users stream the song they are listening to, what would go
down in that case? Who's in legal troubles?

 Also if I were to send an mp3 over email to a few friends, where's the
illegal stand point there? The platform has some fault for allowing to
"distribute" the file? Or the user who emailed the content?

And yes, so far the platform only shares the playlist info, and if there
are matches with your collection then you can listen to it.

This is where you might be in territory that you don’t want to cross. You
have to make sure that the files being listened to are streamed P2P only.
Don’t post any of them anywhere, not even a list that can be accessed on
the web. Don’t allow access unless expressly requested. Otherwise you
become a streaming service like Pandora, Spotify, Google Music and those
are services that pay royalties to the artists for having their music on
their platform.



But it would be really cool to be able to somehow share your music...
tipping around those copyright issues. What if the case is that the user
has some kind of music cloud and gives access to that cloud to another
user, still illegal?

There is really nothing wrong here, because for example, in the case of
Google, they pay the artists to allow their music on their service and they
don’t make themselves responsible to police the music you upload on their
service. But the accounts are personal. They generally don’t intend for
them to be shared. However, in Google Music, they allow you to recommend
music to others with similar accounts and they don’t share the files but a
snippet of the song so you would buy it.



Lol as I see this it seems like the answer is : "don't you mess with music
copyrights, whatever you do will get you in trouble somehow"

I don’t think so. Here the thing is that you want to offer a streaming
option. There is nothing wrong with that. But care for making it very
personal, not like a broadcast radio station or TV. It has to be personal
and streaming from one device to another and not sharing the file to
another device.



Does anybody know of any KDE community member who is could ask these legal
questions?

On Feb 3, 2018 3:07 PM, "Albert Astals Cid"  wrote:

> El dissabte, 3 de febrer de 2018, a les 18:07:27 CET, Camilo Higuita
> Rodriguez
> va escriure:
> > Hi,everyone
> >
> > I'd like to discuss something with the community, and maybe get some
> legal
> > input:
> >
> > As some of you might already know I'm working on a open online platform
> to
> > share music information between users, such as public playlists, comments
> > on tracks and on the playback progress like soundcloud, share popular
> music
> > suggestions, metadata, and discovery of new music from another users with
> > integration with YouTube and Spotify etc... the platform will be
> integrated
> > into Babe music player and could be use in any other music player
> >
> > The legal matter comes here:
> > 1- I would like to either have the option to *stream live* the music an
> > user is currently listening to to a group of friends. here the music file
> > isn't being storaged in the audience computer...
> > How ilegal is it? How illegal is to stream live, but privately,
> copyrighted
> > music?  and how illegal is it to stream owns music content to a selected
> > group of friends?
> >
> > 2- If the stream part wouldn't be enought problem, I'd also like to sync
> a
> > user playlist marked as public to some other friends, that would mean to
> > share music files between users, and technically downloading another
> users
> > music files. How illegal is this part? how illegal is to share a music
> file
> > for example, in a conversation in telegram or whatsapp, or even how
> illegal
> > is it to send a mp3 to a friend over an email or even over google drive?
> >
> > I'd like to get feedback about this issues.
> >
> > As the project is going to be hosted by the KDE community this streaming
> > part won't be implemented to avoid legal issues, but however I would like
> > to have this discussion to get as many feedback as possible.
>
> I am not sure you're approaching this the right way.
>
> For me it doesn't really matter if users can do illegal stuff with our
> software, what matters is that the software is legal and that it has legal
> uses (see KTorrent).
>
> What I think you should be asking yourself is "will I/KDE be in problems
> for
> shipping this sofware?" more than "can my user pontentially get in trouble
> for
> using my sofware to do illegal stuff?".
>
> Cheers,
>   Albert
>
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Camilo
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Babe project - Legal feedback

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2018-02-03 17:07 GMT-03:00 Albert Astals Cid :
> El dissabte, 3 de febrer de 2018, a les 18:07:27 CET, Camilo Higuita Rodriguez
> va escriure:
>> Hi,everyone
>>
>> I'd like to discuss something with the community, and maybe get some legal
>> input:
>>
>> As some of you might already know I'm working on a open online platform to
>> share music information between users, such as public playlists, comments
>> on tracks and on the playback progress like soundcloud, share popular music
>> suggestions, metadata, and discovery of new music from another users with
>> integration with YouTube and Spotify etc... the platform will be integrated
>> into Babe music player and could be use in any other music player
>>
>> The legal matter comes here:
>> 1- I would like to either have the option to *stream live* the music an
>> user is currently listening to to a group of friends. here the music file
>> isn't being storaged in the audience computer...
>> How ilegal is it? How illegal is to stream live, but privately, copyrighted
>> music?  and how illegal is it to stream owns music content to a selected
>> group of friends?
>>
>> 2- If the stream part wouldn't be enought problem, I'd also like to sync a
>> user playlist marked as public to some other friends, that would mean to
>> share music files between users, and technically downloading another users
>> music files. How illegal is this part? how illegal is to share a music file
>> for example, in a conversation in telegram or whatsapp, or even how illegal
>> is it to send a mp3 to a friend over an email or even over google drive?
>>
>> I'd like to get feedback about this issues.
>>
>> As the project is going to be hosted by the KDE community this streaming
>> part won't be implemented to avoid legal issues, but however I would like
>> to have this discussion to get as many feedback as possible.
>
> I am not sure you're approaching this the right way.
>
> For me it doesn't really matter if users can do illegal stuff with our
> software, what matters is that the software is legal and that it has legal
> uses (see KTorrent).
>
> What I think you should be asking yourself is "will I/KDE be in problems for
> shipping this sofware?" more than "can my user pontentially get in trouble for
> using my sofware to do illegal stuff?".
>

As I understand it, some of these Babe features would involve KDE
servers; it's not fully peer-to-peer.

KTorrent is legal and has legal uses, and if its users use it for
illegal stuff, that's their problem. But if KDE ran a BitTorrent
tracker on its infrastructure and people used it for copyrighted
content, would we get in trouble? Even though (like ThePirateBay's
defense says) trackers don't host or distribute content, just tell
peers where the other peers are?

-- 
Nicolás

Re: Babe project - Legal feedback

[Camilo Higuita Rodriguez]

My case is the following, let's say that there's a feature for streaming
audio, and the users stream the song they are listening to, what would go
down in that case? Who's in legal troubles?

 Also if I were to send an mp3 over email to a few friends, where's the
illegal stand point there? The platform has some fault for allowing to
"distribute" the file? Or the user who emailed the content?

And yes, so far the platform only shares the playlist info, and if there
are matches with your collection then you can listen to it.

But it would be really cool to be able to somehow share your music...
tipping around those copyright issues. What if the case is that the user
has some kind of music cloud and gives access to that cloud to another
user, still illegal?

Lol as I see this it seems like the answer is : "don't you mess with music
copyrights, whatever you do will get you in trouble somehow"

Does anybody know of any KDE community member who is could ask these legal
questions?

On Feb 3, 2018 3:07 PM, "Albert Astals Cid"  wrote:

> El dissabte, 3 de febrer de 2018, a les 18:07:27 CET, Camilo Higuita
> Rodriguez
> va escriure:
> > Hi,everyone
> >
> > I'd like to discuss something with the community, and maybe get some
> legal
> > input:
> >
> > As some of you might already know I'm working on a open online platform
> to
> > share music information between users, such as public playlists, comments
> > on tracks and on the playback progress like soundcloud, share popular
> music
> > suggestions, metadata, and discovery of new music from another users with
> > integration with YouTube and Spotify etc... the platform will be
> integrated
> > into Babe music player and could be use in any other music player
> >
> > The legal matter comes here:
> > 1- I would like to either have the option to *stream live* the music an
> > user is currently listening to to a group of friends. here the music file
> > isn't being storaged in the audience computer...
> > How ilegal is it? How illegal is to stream live, but privately,
> copyrighted
> > music?  and how illegal is it to stream owns music content to a selected
> > group of friends?
> >
> > 2- If the stream part wouldn't be enought problem, I'd also like to sync
> a
> > user playlist marked as public to some other friends, that would mean to
> > share music files between users, and technically downloading another
> users
> > music files. How illegal is this part? how illegal is to share a music
> file
> > for example, in a conversation in telegram or whatsapp, or even how
> illegal
> > is it to send a mp3 to a friend over an email or even over google drive?
> >
> > I'd like to get feedback about this issues.
> >
> > As the project is going to be hosted by the KDE community this streaming
> > part won't be implemented to avoid legal issues, but however I would like
> > to have this discussion to get as many feedback as possible.
>
> I am not sure you're approaching this the right way.
>
> For me it doesn't really matter if users can do illegal stuff with our
> software, what matters is that the software is legal and that it has legal
> uses (see KTorrent).
>
> What I think you should be asking yourself is "will I/KDE be in problems
> for
> shipping this sofware?" more than "can my user pontentially get in trouble
> for
> using my sofware to do illegal stuff?".
>
> Cheers,
>   Albert
>
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Camilo
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Babe project - Legal feedback

[Albert Astals Cid]

El dissabte, 3 de febrer de 2018, a les 18:07:27 CET, Camilo Higuita Rodriguez 
va escriure:
> Hi,everyone
> 
> I'd like to discuss something with the community, and maybe get some legal
> input:
> 
> As some of you might already know I'm working on a open online platform to
> share music information between users, such as public playlists, comments
> on tracks and on the playback progress like soundcloud, share popular music
> suggestions, metadata, and discovery of new music from another users with
> integration with YouTube and Spotify etc... the platform will be integrated
> into Babe music player and could be use in any other music player
> 
> The legal matter comes here:
> 1- I would like to either have the option to *stream live* the music an
> user is currently listening to to a group of friends. here the music file
> isn't being storaged in the audience computer...
> How ilegal is it? How illegal is to stream live, but privately, copyrighted
> music?  and how illegal is it to stream owns music content to a selected
> group of friends?
> 
> 2- If the stream part wouldn't be enought problem, I'd also like to sync a
> user playlist marked as public to some other friends, that would mean to
> share music files between users, and technically downloading another users
> music files. How illegal is this part? how illegal is to share a music file
> for example, in a conversation in telegram or whatsapp, or even how illegal
> is it to send a mp3 to a friend over an email or even over google drive?
> 
> I'd like to get feedback about this issues.
> 
> As the project is going to be hosted by the KDE community this streaming
> part won't be implemented to avoid legal issues, but however I would like
> to have this discussion to get as many feedback as possible.

I am not sure you're approaching this the right way.

For me it doesn't really matter if users can do illegal stuff with our 
software, what matters is that the software is legal and that it has legal 
uses (see KTorrent).

What I think you should be asking yourself is "will I/KDE be in problems for 
shipping this sofware?" more than "can my user pontentially get in trouble for 
using my sofware to do illegal stuff?".

Cheers,
  Albert

> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Camilo

Re: Babe project - Legal feedback

[Martin Flöser]

Am 2018-02-03 18:07, schrieb Camilo Higuita Rodriguez:

Hi,everyone

I'd like to discuss something with the community, and maybe get some
legal input:

As some of you might already know I'm working on a open online
platform to share music information between users, such as public
playlists, comments on tracks and on the playback progress like
soundcloud, share popular music suggestions, metadata, and discovery
of new music from another users with integration with YouTube and
Spotify etc... the platform will be integrated into Babe music player
and could be use in any other music player

The legal matter comes here:
1- I would like to either have the option to *stream live* the music
an user is currently listening to to a group of friends. here the
music file isn't being storaged in the audience computer...
How ilegal is it? How illegal is to stream live, but privately,
copyrighted music?  and how illegal is it to stream owns music content
to a selected group of friends?

2- If the stream part wouldn't be enought problem, I'd also like to
sync a user playlist marked as public to some other friends, that
would mean to share music files between users, and technically
downloading another users music files. How illegal is this part? how
illegal is to share a music file for example, in a conversation in
telegram or whatsapp, or even how illegal is it to send a mp3 to a
friend over an email or even over google drive?

I'd like to get feedback about this issues


Like Christian, I recommend to consult a lawyer specialized on Copyright 
law. What's extremely important is that there won't be an answer which 
is globally unique.


I'll give you an example for my area of legislation (Germany). We have 
the concept of a private copy (Privatkopie) [1] which allows to share 
media with friends and family. There is a ruling of the highest German 
court (BGH) which can be interpreted as the number of friends and family 
is 7 [2].


Given that the answer to your questions from a German perspective is 
IMHO (though IANAL) that it is clearly illegal if a user would use this 
feature.


Cheers
Martin

[1] § 53 URHG https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/urhg/__53.html
[2] BGH, GRUR 1978, 474

Re: Babe project - Legal feedback

[Paul Brown]

Hello Camilo,

Not a lawyer either and you would need confirmation from a legal expert, but 
you questions are not hard:

> 1- I would like to either have the option to *stream live* the music an
> user is currently listening to to a group of friends. here the music file
> isn't being storaged in the audience computer...
> How ilegal is it? How illegal is to stream live, but privately, copyrighted
> music?  and how illegal is it to stream owns music content to a selected
> group of friends?

This is illegal in most countries, since it is akin to file-sharing. In 
Germany they can fine private users up to € 1,000 euros for this.

Solution: Build in a license-identifier and allow streaming of music only 
under permissive licenses or in the public domain.

> 2- If the stream part wouldn't be enough problem, I'd also like to sync a
> user playlist marked as public to some other friends, that would mean to
> share music files between users, and technically downloading another users
> music files. How illegal is this part? how illegal is to share a music file
> for example, in a conversation in telegram or whatsapp, or even how illegal
> is it to send a mp3 to a friend over an email or even over google drive?

Illegal in most countries because it is actual file-sharing of copyrighted 
material. 

Solution 1: see above and only allow sharing of music distributed under 
permissive licenses.

Solution 2: allow sharing the playlist, only the list, but not the files 
themselves. Excuse me because I don't know much about your software, but, if 
you share the list, surely there would be a way to allow the receiving users 
to compile the list from their existing collection and complete it legally by 
facilitating purchasing of the missing songs from a store or using an online 
streaming service like Spotify (or whatever kids use nowadays).

There is a silver-lining though: If you do implement a license identifier (I 
have no idea how that would work) and users see the additional advantage of 
listening to free (as in freedom) because of the extra features they can 
enjoy, you will be helping the Free Culture movement.

Cheers

Paul
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Re: Babe project - Legal feedback

[Christian Ohrfandl]

Hey Camilo,

not an expert but I recommend you to ask a lawyer. Just think of Youtube:
There are different viewing restrictions depending on the country you are
living in. Maybe streaming audio is equal... You could also ask the
streaming service providers how to proceed...


Cheers,
Christian

Am 03.02.2018 17:07 schrieb "Camilo Higuita Rodriguez" <
chigui...@unal.edu.co>:

> Hi,everyone
>
> I'd like to discuss something with the community, and maybe get some legal
> input:
>
> As some of you might already know I'm working on a open online platform to
> share music information between users, such as public playlists, comments
> on tracks and on the playback progress like soundcloud, share popular music
> suggestions, metadata, and discovery of new music from another users with
> integration with YouTube and Spotify etc... the platform will be integrated
> into Babe music player and could be use in any other music player
>
> The legal matter comes here:
> 1- I would like to either have the option to *stream live* the music an
> user is currently listening to to a group of friends. here the music file
> isn't being storaged in the audience computer...
> How ilegal is it? How illegal is to stream live, but privately,
> copyrighted music?  and how illegal is it to stream owns music content to a
> selected group of friends?
>
> 2- If the stream part wouldn't be enought problem, I'd also like to sync a
> user playlist marked as public to some other friends, that would mean to
> share music files between users, and technically downloading another users
> music files. How illegal is this part? how illegal is to share a music file
> for example, in a conversation in telegram or whatsapp, or even how illegal
> is it to send a mp3 to a friend over an email or even over google drive?
>
> I'd like to get feedback about this issues.
>
> As the project is going to be hosted by the KDE community this streaming
> part won't be implemented to avoid legal issues, but however I would like
> to have this discussion to get as many feedback as possible.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Camilo
>
>
>

Babe project - Legal feedback

[Camilo Higuita Rodriguez]

Hi,everyone

I'd like to discuss something with the community, and maybe get some legal
input:

As some of you might already know I'm working on a open online platform to
share music information between users, such as public playlists, comments
on tracks and on the playback progress like soundcloud, share popular music
suggestions, metadata, and discovery of new music from another users with
integration with YouTube and Spotify etc... the platform will be integrated
into Babe music player and could be use in any other music player

The legal matter comes here:
1- I would like to either have the option to *stream live* the music an
user is currently listening to to a group of friends. here the music file
isn't being storaged in the audience computer...
How ilegal is it? How illegal is to stream live, but privately, copyrighted
music?  and how illegal is it to stream owns music content to a selected
group of friends?

2- If the stream part wouldn't be enought problem, I'd also like to sync a
user playlist marked as public to some other friends, that would mean to
share music files between users, and technically downloading another users
music files. How illegal is this part? how illegal is to share a music file
for example, in a conversation in telegram or whatsapp, or even how illegal
is it to send a mp3 to a friend over an email or even over google drive?

I'd like to get feedback about this issues.

As the project is going to be hosted by the KDE community this streaming
part won't be implemented to avoid legal issues, but however I would like
to have this discussion to get as many feedback as possible.

Thank you.

Camilo