Re: [kde-community] Re: FOSDEM retrospective

[Jonathan Riddell]

I do organise all this when I run the FOSDEM stall, I've always
struggled to get anyone else to take an interest ahead of time,
hopefully the interest now means that next December there will be more
interest.  Mind the other usual problem with FOSDEM is the practical
reality of having someone with a car to bring stuff there.

Jonathan


On Fri, Feb 09, 2018 at 08:56:27PM +0100, tetris4 wrote:
> From what is discussed so far, I see two ways to further approach this: being
> reactive and proactive.
> 
> In being reactive, we can indeed prepare in advance answers to a set of
> questions that we expect being asked at an event. As Adriaan mentioned, this 
> is
> not always straightforward. But we could have general responses (what is 
> KDE?),
> more specific depending on the event's topic (How is KDE developed? What are
> Frameworks, Kirigami?) or related to the things we choose to showcase at the
> booth (Plasma Desktop, Slimbook). KDE is very big, and most of us are involved
> and have a good grasp of only a fraction of the software that is produced 
> under
> the KDE umbrella, so having some go-to responses always helps.
> 
> In being proactive, we can definitely step up our game. We should narrow down
> the message we want to convey at the specific time and place and be active in
> reaching out to people regarding this. The chosen topic can be highlighted in 
> a
> very direct and focused way. To give an example, let's say we take FOSDEM 2019
> in mind. We could choose to focus on Plasma Mobile, so we need to have the
> appropriate tools to promote it (videos, brochures, activities, hardware,
> partnerships, t-shirts, stickers). So you end up sharing a particular story 
> and
> giving the audience a unified experience about the chosen topic to attract
> their attention and inform them accordingly. We could attempt to measure the
> impact from such efforts afterwards in terms of visits to projects' websites,
> mailing lists, interest from new people etc.
> 
> Neofytos
> 
> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Riddell  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Feb 08, 2018 at 11:27:29PM +0100, Adriaan de Groot wrote:
> > Well-said. There's two aspects:
> >  - why are we here (at this specific event)?
> 
> It's the largest free software expo going, it keeps us in contact with
> our user and contributor community, if we weren't there or at similar
> events it would suggest we weren't a significant part of the free and
> open source movement.
>
> >  - what message do we want to spread?
> 
> When I organise it I plan demos of the best of KDE's output from the
> last year and some spiel to promote it.  Many KDE people ignore the
> demos and chat their own lines which is fine too.
>
> Jonathan
> 
> 

Re: FOSDEM retrospective

[José Millán Soto]

Hi all,

During FOSDEM we also did ask some questions to the people who came to the 
booth based on the three goals we chose last year.
The questions were proposed by Lydia and were:
 - Which is the biggest usability issue you see in your use of KDE software?
 - Ever tried constributing to KDE? What were the biggest hurdles?
 - Do you see KDE as trustworthy when it comes to privacy? why?

Regarding the first question, the answers were as follows:
 - One person said that menu and panels were not intuitive. Tought that GNOME 
does that better. Example: It's too easy for an unexperienced user to remove a 
panel by mistake.
 - Too much things in the UI. UI seems overloaded.
 - Inconsistently.
 - Tought that design was a bit outdated.
 - Switching MB between 1000 and 1024.
 - A little too heavy, try to make it more modular.

Regarding the second question, all people asked no. Some people however said 
that they had reported bugs or gave money on our fundraiser (so I told them 
that then that's another way to contribute).
>From the people who gave reasons why they hadn't contribute, one didn't feel 
skilled enought; other said that he only knows Java, and other said that he 
didn't know where to look at in order to begin to contribute.

Regarding the privacy question, most people answered yes. Some people 
mentioned that they trust KDE becouse it's free software and so the code can 
be reviewed. One person said that he tought all free software takes privacy 
into account. Another person congratulated us on the good improvement on 
password management and gpg.
Two people who didn't anwser yes, the first said that it would depend on where 
she would download the software (example: would trust if it's installed from a 
Debian repository as she trusts Debian, but no if it comes from a random 
repository as doesn't have warranty that it's the same program that the one we 
had written).
Another person said that he things that KDE is not taking security seriously 
enough and we have some serious flaws (example: Xorg runs as root by SDDM).

Re: [kde-community] Re: FOSDEM retrospective

[tetris4]

>From what is discussed so far, I see two ways to further approach this:
being reactive and proactive.

In being reactive, we can indeed prepare in advance answers to a set of
questions that we expect being asked at an event. As Adriaan mentioned,
this is not always straightforward. But we could have general responses
(what is KDE?), more specific depending on the event's topic (How is KDE
developed? What are Frameworks, Kirigami?) or related to the things we
choose to showcase at the booth (Plasma Desktop, Slimbook). KDE is very
big, and most of us are involved and have a good grasp of only a fraction
of the software that is produced under the KDE umbrella, so having some
go-to responses always helps.

In being proactive, we can definitely step up our game. We should narrow
down the message we want to convey at the specific time and place and be
active in reaching out to people regarding this. The chosen topic can be
highlighted in a very direct and focused way. To give an example, let's say
we take FOSDEM 2019 in mind. We could choose to focus on Plasma Mobile, so
we need to have the appropriate tools to promote it (videos, brochures,
activities, hardware, partnerships, t-shirts, stickers). So you end up
sharing a particular story and giving the audience a unified experience
about the chosen topic to attract their attention and inform them
accordingly. We could attempt to measure the impact from such efforts
afterwards in terms of visits to projects' websites, mailing lists,
interest from new people etc.

Neofytos

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Riddell  wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 08, 2018 at 11:27:29PM +0100, Adriaan de Groot wrote:
> > Well-said. There's two aspects:
> >  - why are we here (at this specific event)?
>
> It's the largest free software expo going, it keeps us in contact with
> our user and contributor community, if we weren't there or at similar
> events it would suggest we weren't a significant part of the free and
> open source movement.
>
> >  - what message do we want to spread?
>
> When I organise it I plan demos of the best of KDE's output from the
> last year and some spiel to promote it.  Many KDE people ignore the
> demos and chat their own lines which is fine too.
>
> Jonathan
>

Re: [kde-community] Re: FOSDEM retrospective

[Jonathan Riddell]

On Thu, Feb 08, 2018 at 11:27:29PM +0100, Adriaan de Groot wrote:
> Well-said. There's two aspects:
>  - why are we here (at this specific event)?

It's the largest free software expo going, it keeps us in contact with
our user and contributor community, if we weren't there or at similar
events it would suggest we weren't a significant part of the free and
open source movement.

>  - what message do we want to spread?

When I organise it I plan demos of the best of KDE's output from the
last year and some spiel to promote it.  Many KDE people ignore the
demos and chat their own lines which is fine too.

Jonathan

Re: FOSDEM retrospective

[Boudewijn Rempt]

On Thursday, 8 February 2018 23:27:29 CET Adriaan de Groot wrote:

> Well-said. There's two aspects:
>  - why are we here (at this specific event)?
>  - what message do we want to spread?
> FOSDEM is perhaps a little special: there's a lot of other nerds there, so
> the questions we get are different and more wide-ranging than we might get
> at an industry event. (e.g. activities, e.g. Sanskrit input methods, e.g.
> keyboard layouts with tall enter keys).

What always surprises me about fosdem is that there are genuinely quite a few 
people who attend fosdem and yet haven't hear of KDE (or Krita). There were 
people genuinely did not expect that this software would be free; people who 
thought our stuff is open-core and that we'd ask for money for the really 
useful features.


-- 
Boudewijn Rempt | https://www.valdyas.org | https://www.krita.org

Re: FOSDEM retrospective

[Adriaan de Groot]

On Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:15:48 CET tetris4 wrote:
> My main suggestion for future improvement would be to be more prepared and
> strategic. The main question to answer is: What does KDE want to achieve by
> running a booth at a specific event?

Well-said. There's two aspects:
 - why are we here (at this specific event)?
 - what message do we want to spread?

Note that for QtWS those were well-answered, in advance, and Eike 
(coordinator) made sure that the team knew what the answers were. For FOSDEM, 
not so much -- in the course of the weekend we developed a good story for the 
second part, but it would have been good to have that ready at the start.

FOSDEM is perhaps a little special: there's a lot of other nerds there, so the 
questions we get are different and more wide-ranging than we might get at an 
industry event. (e.g. activities, e.g. Sanskrit input methods, e.g. keyboard 
layouts with tall enter keys).

This is partly a thing to coordinate with the -promo team.

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Re: FOSDEM retrospective

[tetris4]

Hi everyone.

As someone who was at a KDE's booth for the first time, I gained some
amazing experience from participating and definitely recommend it to those
that never attempted it.

I was positively surprised by the diversity of people coming up and asking
for information. We had several developers asking questions and providing
feedback, people that never used a GNU/Linux system or KDE software before
and also business individuals looking for solutions for their companies.

My main suggestion for future improvement would be to be more prepared and
strategic. The main question to answer is: What does KDE want to achieve by
running a booth at a specific event?

I have several proposals on that, I will try to bring them up during the
upcoming KDE Promo sprint next week.

Thanks again to everyone that helped getting me involved and kudos for
doing a great job promoting KDE and its products!

Cheers,
Neofytos


On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 9:43 PM, Luigi Toscano 
wrote:

> Nicolás Alvarez ha scritto:
> > 2018-02-05 20:33 GMT-03:00 Luigi Toscano :
> >> And we can use also phabricator (again, only Akademy):
> >> https://phabricator.kde.org/calendar/export/3/
> >
> > It says you're the only one with permissions to access that link.
> >
>
>
> Uh, right. But I should be able to share the URL for the dynamic ics:
> https://phabricator.kde.org/calendar/export/ics/
> mw4fmpmomz5pom4hgyg2/events_meeting.ics
>
> --
> Luigi
>

Re: FOSDEM retrospective

[Luigi Toscano]

Nicolás Alvarez ha scritto:
> 2018-02-05 20:33 GMT-03:00 Luigi Toscano :
>> And we can use also phabricator (again, only Akademy):
>> https://phabricator.kde.org/calendar/export/3/
> 
> It says you're the only one with permissions to access that link.
> 


Uh, right. But I should be able to share the URL for the dynamic ics:
https://phabricator.kde.org/calendar/export/ics/mw4fmpmomz5pom4hgyg2/events_meeting.ics

-- 
Luigi

Re: FOSDEM retrospective

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2018-02-05 20:33 GMT-03:00 Luigi Toscano :
> And we can use also phabricator (again, only Akademy):
> https://phabricator.kde.org/calendar/export/3/

It says you're the only one with permissions to access that link.

-- 
Nicolás

Re: FOSDEM retrospective

[Paul Brown]

On Tuesday, 6 February 2018 00:23:40 CET Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> El dimarts, 6 de febrer de 2018, a les 0:15:21 CET, Lays Rodrigues va 
escriure:
> > Hello Adriann, thanks for the report!
> > We could have a calendar of events where KDE will attend, and work with
> > Promo before them to set up material and promo actions.
> 
> We already have such a calendar, it's just not filled in (except Akademy)
> 
> https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=mtlqg95e4gnoq8qjv0os91iro0%40
> group.calendar.google.com
>
> 
> Cheers,
>   Albert

Yes. We are also working to get a calendar for Promo-specific stuff, to 
schedule announcements, articles, and so on. While the event calendar will 
carry the activities of the event itself, the promo calendar will contain 
dates for announcements related to the event, etc.

Cheers

Paul

> 
> > What do you think?
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 5:44 PM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:
> > > On Monday, 5 February 2018 20:29:34 CET Adriaan de Groot wrote:
> > > >  - The live art demo of Krita on Saturday was *amazing*. The artist
> > > >  was
> > > 
> > > kind
> > > 
> > > > of hidden behind the monitor, not everyone understood that it was live
> > > > sketching.
> > > 
> > > Yes, that got lots of really nice reactions, including a guy accosting
> > > me,
> > > saying, "But, but, but -- is this a free software _painting_
> > > application?
> > > I've
> > > been looking for one for over five years!" The actual subject of the
> > > painting
> > > was tied-in to a meme that was doing the rounds that weekend, with Krita
> > > being
> > > Lawful Good.
> > > 
> > > > # The what can be improved
> > > > 
> > > >  - Sticker situation (there are other messages about that, too). I
> > > >  remain
> > > > 
> > > > envious of GNOME's sticker selection.
> > > 
> > > Let's engage with our community here. It's not that expensive to produce
> > > stickers, and we could do with some different designs. Konqui, Katie,
> > > Kiki, or
> > > even laptop cover stickers with the kiki as a paladin + fire-breathing
> > > konqui
> > > Wolthera did live, this year :-)
> > > 
> > > >  - Stickers, T-shirts maybe (I do prefer to be a tech stand)
> > > 
> > > I kind of got the feeling that some stands -- gnome, fsfe -- were just
> > > there
> > > to sell t-shirts, not to tell people about their projects.
> > > 
> > > >  - We should have had a plan on what to show on the screens of the
> > > 
> > > desktop
> > > 
> > > > and laptop machines at the booth. A movie with recent features / neat
> > > 
> > > stuff
> > > 
> > > > would have been a good addition.
> > > 
> > > Yes, indeed. There are people in our community who can produce that kind
> > > of
> > > stuff -- leinir, for one! And a good show-reel will draw in people.
> > > 
> > > > Some more applications with actual content
> > > > would have been nice (like Krita).
> > > 
> > > My spiel was, like, you know KDE? Well, we're a community making awesome
> > > stuff. A desktop, sure, and a video editor, and an ide, and a painting
> > > application and so on.
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Boudewijn Rempt | https://www.valdyas.org | https://www.krita.org


-- 
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Re: FOSDEM retrospective

[Luigi Toscano]

Albert Astals Cid ha scritto:
> El dimarts, 6 de febrer de 2018, a les 0:15:21 CET, Lays Rodrigues va 
> escriure:
>> Hello Adriann, thanks for the report!
>> We could have a calendar of events where KDE will attend, and work with
>> Promo before them to set up material and promo actions.
> 
> We already have such a calendar, it's just not filled in (except Akademy)
> 
> https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=mtlqg95e4gnoq8qjv0os91iro0%40group.calendar.google.com
> 

And we can use also phabricator (again, only Akademy):
https://phabricator.kde.org/calendar/export/3/

(even if there is an open discussion: https://phabricator.kde.org/T7835 )


-- 
Luigi

Re: FOSDEM retrospective

[Albert Astals Cid]

El dimarts, 6 de febrer de 2018, a les 0:15:21 CET, Lays Rodrigues va escriure:
> Hello Adriann, thanks for the report!
> We could have a calendar of events where KDE will attend, and work with
> Promo before them to set up material and promo actions.

We already have such a calendar, it's just not filled in (except Akademy)

https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=mtlqg95e4gnoq8qjv0os91iro0%40group.calendar.google.com

Cheers,
  Albert

> What do you think?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 5:44 PM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:
> > On Monday, 5 February 2018 20:29:34 CET Adriaan de Groot wrote:
> > >  - The live art demo of Krita on Saturday was *amazing*. The artist was
> > 
> > kind
> > 
> > > of hidden behind the monitor, not everyone understood that it was live
> > > sketching.
> > 
> > Yes, that got lots of really nice reactions, including a guy accosting me,
> > saying, "But, but, but -- is this a free software _painting_ application?
> > I've
> > been looking for one for over five years!" The actual subject of the
> > painting
> > was tied-in to a meme that was doing the rounds that weekend, with Krita
> > being
> > Lawful Good.
> > 
> > > # The what can be improved
> > > 
> > >  - Sticker situation (there are other messages about that, too). I
> > >  remain
> > > 
> > > envious of GNOME's sticker selection.
> > 
> > Let's engage with our community here. It's not that expensive to produce
> > stickers, and we could do with some different designs. Konqui, Katie,
> > Kiki, or
> > even laptop cover stickers with the kiki as a paladin + fire-breathing
> > konqui
> > Wolthera did live, this year :-)
> > 
> > >  - Stickers, T-shirts maybe (I do prefer to be a tech stand)
> > 
> > I kind of got the feeling that some stands -- gnome, fsfe -- were just
> > there
> > to sell t-shirts, not to tell people about their projects.
> > 
> > >  - We should have had a plan on what to show on the screens of the
> > 
> > desktop
> > 
> > > and laptop machines at the booth. A movie with recent features / neat
> > 
> > stuff
> > 
> > > would have been a good addition.
> > 
> > Yes, indeed. There are people in our community who can produce that kind
> > of
> > stuff -- leinir, for one! And a good show-reel will draw in people.
> > 
> > > Some more applications with actual content
> > > would have been nice (like Krita).
> > 
> > My spiel was, like, you know KDE? Well, we're a community making awesome
> > stuff. A desktop, sure, and a video editor, and an ide, and a painting
> > application and so on.
> > 
> > --
> > Boudewijn Rempt | https://www.valdyas.org | https://www.krita.org

Re: FOSDEM retrospective

[Lays Rodrigues]

Hello Adriann, thanks for the report!
We could have a calendar of events where KDE will attend, and work with
Promo before them to set up material and promo actions.
What do you think?

Cheers,

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 5:44 PM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:

> On Monday, 5 February 2018 20:29:34 CET Adriaan de Groot wrote:
> >  - The live art demo of Krita on Saturday was *amazing*. The artist was
> kind
> > of hidden behind the monitor, not everyone understood that it was live
> > sketching.
>
> Yes, that got lots of really nice reactions, including a guy accosting me,
> saying, "But, but, but -- is this a free software _painting_ application?
> I've
> been looking for one for over five years!" The actual subject of the
> painting
> was tied-in to a meme that was doing the rounds that weekend, with Krita
> being
> Lawful Good.
>
>
> > # The what can be improved
> >
> >  - Sticker situation (there are other messages about that, too). I remain
> > envious of GNOME's sticker selection.
>
> Let's engage with our community here. It's not that expensive to produce
> stickers, and we could do with some different designs. Konqui, Katie,
> Kiki, or
> even laptop cover stickers with the kiki as a paladin + fire-breathing
> konqui
> Wolthera did live, this year :-)
>
> >  - Stickers, T-shirts maybe (I do prefer to be a tech stand)
>
> I kind of got the feeling that some stands -- gnome, fsfe -- were just
> there
> to sell t-shirts, not to tell people about their projects.
>
> >  - We should have had a plan on what to show on the screens of the
> desktop
> > and laptop machines at the booth. A movie with recent features / neat
> stuff
> > would have been a good addition.
>
> Yes, indeed. There are people in our community who can produce that kind of
> stuff -- leinir, for one! And a good show-reel will draw in people.
>
> > Some more applications with actual content
> > would have been nice (like Krita).
>
> My spiel was, like, you know KDE? Well, we're a community making awesome
> stuff. A desktop, sure, and a video editor, and an ide, and a painting
> application and so on.
>
> --
> Boudewijn Rempt | https://www.valdyas.org | https://www.krita.org
>
>
>


-- 

*Lays Rodrigues*
*Intern at Rede Globo*
*Software Developer at KDE*
*Information Systems student at Federal Fluminense University*
*http://lays.space *
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*IRC: lays147*

Re: FOSDEM retrospective

[Boudewijn Rempt]

On Monday, 5 February 2018 20:29:34 CET Adriaan de Groot wrote:
>  - The live art demo of Krita on Saturday was *amazing*. The artist was kind
> of hidden behind the monitor, not everyone understood that it was live
> sketching.

Yes, that got lots of really nice reactions, including a guy accosting me, 
saying, "But, but, but -- is this a free software _painting_ application? I've 
been looking for one for over five years!" The actual subject of the painting 
was tied-in to a meme that was doing the rounds that weekend, with Krita being 
Lawful Good.


> # The what can be improved
> 
>  - Sticker situation (there are other messages about that, too). I remain
> envious of GNOME's sticker selection.

Let's engage with our community here. It's not that expensive to produce 
stickers, and we could do with some different designs. Konqui, Katie, Kiki, or 
even laptop cover stickers with the kiki as a paladin + fire-breathing konqui 
Wolthera did live, this year :-)

>  - Stickers, T-shirts maybe (I do prefer to be a tech stand)

I kind of got the feeling that some stands -- gnome, fsfe -- were just there 
to sell t-shirts, not to tell people about their projects.

>  - We should have had a plan on what to show on the screens of the desktop
> and laptop machines at the booth. A movie with recent features / neat stuff
> would have been a good addition. 

Yes, indeed. There are people in our community who can produce that kind of 
stuff -- leinir, for one! And a good show-reel will draw in people. 

> Some more applications with actual content
> would have been nice (like Krita).
 
My spiel was, like, you know KDE? Well, we're a community making awesome 
stuff. A desktop, sure, and a video editor, and an ide, and a painting 
application and so on.

-- 
Boudewijn Rempt | https://www.valdyas.org | https://www.krita.org