Re: reddit r_KDE uses KDE logo in LGBT colors

[Christian Loosli]

Hi Sabayon11, 

while I do not know why after taking it to Reddit, then the forums, then IRC 
you now have to take it to the mailing list, especially as the answers you 
were given were mostly all the same:

Yes, it is consistent, allowed, wanted and very much in the philosophy of KDE 
being open and welcoming for everybody and showing support to various 
marginalized groups. LGBTQ people still face discrimination in various places, 
in some way more severe than others, so I think it's good to show them that 
within the KDE community they are welcome and hopefully safe.
As Nate already wrote, this does not mean that we aren't open and welcoming 
for other groups; quite the contrary. And we gladly show support for them, 
where it makes sense and where it is appropriate, too.

If that openness and support for people scares off a sponsor, contributor or 
otherwise from KDE: probably KDE wasn't the right place for them anyway and I 
am not going to be sad about that loss.

Kind regards, 

Christian

Am Sonntag, 12. Juli 2020, 12:13:34 CEST schrieb sabayon11:
> I have a question:
> Is it legal for reddit moderators of r_KDE to use KDE logo in LGBT
> colors. Is it consistent with logo license?
> 
> https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/
> 
> Is it in line with KDE code of conduct - to support certain groups
> that are politically active and be selective in this choice? For
> example: why they don't support women rights in middle-east region?
> Who have the right to decide?
> 
> Do you realize that it can stop certain people from funding KDE? Of
> course on the other hand it can make others, like George Soros to fund
> but does KDE really want to go in that direction and engage in such
> politics. Pretending that it has nothing to do with politics is a pure
> lie.
> 
> What other KDE contributors think about it? For example: do all KDE
> funders support engaging software community in non-software activity?
> 
> I know that reddit is separate website and has nothing to do with this
> forum, however this is social and community issue as well.
> 
> What about adding to KDE code of conduct: KDE is not engage in social
> or political dispute. KDE doesn't discriminate nor support any groups
> other than Free Software.
> 
> Personally I believe there are thousands of other better places on the
> Internet to express whatever point of view someone has and KDE and its
> community should not be involved in such activities.
> 
> It is now off. But this doesn't change the meaning of this action.
> My first message about it to this list was on 3rd of July but has not
> been accepted by moderators yet, so I had to subscribe.

Re: reddit r_KDE uses KDE logo in LGBT colors

[David Edmundson]

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 11:14 AM sabayon11  wrote:

> I have a question:
> Is it legal for reddit moderators of r_KDE to use KDE logo in LGBT
> colors. Is it consistent with logo license?
>

Like KDE itself, Oxygen Icons have a liberal copying policy. Anyone may,
and is encouraged to, use Oxygen Icons in their applications, websites and
physical artwork. *Modification is also allowed*. The only restriction is
that you can not restrict what others then do with the artwork.

The copying licence is the GNU LGPL 3, see Policies/Licensing_Policy
 and LGPL licence text
 for the full legal details.

Source: https://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Oxygen/Licensing . Emphasis is
mine.




>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/
>
> Is it in line with KDE code of conduct - to support certain groups
> that are politically active and be selective in this choice?
>

Changing a logo on a 3rd party social media site is not against the code of
conduct.

Again a helpful link: https://kde.org/code-of-conduct/

I hope this helps address your concerns.

David


> Do you realize that it can stop certain people from funding KDE? Of
> course on the other hand it can make others, like George Soros to fund
> but does KDE really want to go in that direction and engage in such
> politics. Pretending that it has nothing to do with politics is a pure
> lie.
>

> What other KDE contributors think about it? For example: do all KDE
> funders support engaging software community in non-software activity?
>
> I know that reddit is separate website and has nothing to do with this
> forum, however this is social and community issue as well.
>
> What about adding to KDE code of conduct: KDE is not engage in social
> or political dispute. KDE doesn't discriminate nor support any groups
> other than Free Software.
>
> Personally I believe there are thousands of other better places on the
> Internet to express whatever point of view someone has and KDE and its
> community should not be involved in such activities.
>
> It is now off. But this doesn't change the meaning of this action.
> My first message about it to this list was on 3rd of July but has not
> been accepted by moderators yet, so I had to subscribe.
>

Re: reddit r_KDE uses KDE logo in LGBT colors

[Ingo Klöcker]

On Sonntag, 12. Juli 2020 12:13:34 CEST sabayon11 wrote:
> I have a question:
> Is it legal for reddit moderators of r_KDE to use KDE logo in LGBT
> colors.

For me the logo is displayed in blue. Maybe it has been changed back already. 
(Okay, you wrote "It is now off." at the end of your mail.)

I suppose the logo was changed around Pride Day.


> Is it consistent with logo license?

I'd say yes. "Copying of the KDE Logo is subject to the LGPL copyright 
license." ([1]) The LGPL allows modifications.

The full text on https://kde.org/stuff/clipart.php reads:
"The KDE logo can be used freely as long as it is not used to refer to 
projects other than KDE itself. There is no formal procedure to use it. 
Copying of the KDE Logo is subject to the LGPL copyright license. Trading and 
branding with the KDE Logo is subject to our trademark licence. For more 
details on their usage please see the KDE CIG Logo page."


> https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/
> 
> Is it in line with KDE code of conduct - to support certain groups
> that are politically active and be selective in this choice?

I'd say yes, as long as those "groups that are politically active" are 
compatible with KDE's values as spelled out in the code of conduct. In my 
opinion, this applies to the LGBT community.


> For
> example: why they don't support women rights in middle-east region?

Ask the moderators of Kreddit. I'm sure they are open to your suggestions.

> Who have the right to decide?

Concerning Kreddit? I guess the moderators of Kreddit decided this.


> Do you realize that it can stop certain people from funding KDE? Of
> course on the other hand it can make others, like George Soros to fund
> but does KDE really want to go in that direction and engage in such
> politics. Pretending that it has nothing to do with politics is a pure
> lie.

KDE is openly pro-LGBTQ+, e.g. we had LGBTQ+ dinners as part of the last few 
Akademy conferences.


> What other KDE contributors think about it? For example: do all KDE
> funders support engaging software community in non-software activity?
> 
> I know that reddit is separate website and has nothing to do with this
> forum, however this is social and community issue as well.
> 
> What about adding to KDE code of conduct: KDE is not engage in social
> or political dispute. KDE doesn't discriminate nor support any groups
> other than Free Software.

Free Software is highly political. There's no way for KDE not to engage in 
political dispute. By the way, we also support the climate crisis movement.


> Personally I believe there are thousands of other better places on the
> Internet to express whatever point of view someone has and KDE and its
> community should not be involved in such activities.

KDE does not exist in a closed bubble. KDE is part of the world and as such 
the community will continue to express its point of views.


> It is now off. But this doesn't change the meaning of this action.
> My first message about it to this list was on 3rd of July but has not
> been accepted by moderators yet, so I had to subscribe.

Regards,
Ingo

[1] https://kde.org/stuff/clipart.php


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Re: reddit r_KDE uses KDE logo in LGBT colors

[Nate Graham]

You might not be aware that the free open-source software movement is 
explicitly political and has been from the start. The whole point is a 
revolutionary liberation of software. As such, FOSS organizations 
generally try to be as inclusive as possible which results in an 
association with other related movements whose goals are the liberation, 
enfranchisement, or elevation of historically marginalized or 
discriminated-against groups. In all cases, the goal is the same: 
freedom from arbitrary and unfair restrictions.


Personally I don't see what the problem is. Endorsing LGBT rights does 
not imply a lack of endorsement for any other movement, any more than 
saying "I like pizza," implies anything about your feelings regarding 
dumplings or burritos.


Nate



On 7/12/20 4:13 AM, sabayon11 wrote:

I have a question:
Is it legal for reddit moderators of r_KDE to use KDE logo in LGBT
colors. Is it consistent with logo license?

https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/

Is it in line with KDE code of conduct - to support certain groups
that are politically active and be selective in this choice? For
example: why they don't support women rights in middle-east region?
Who have the right to decide?

Do you realize that it can stop certain people from funding KDE? Of
course on the other hand it can make others, like George Soros to fund
but does KDE really want to go in that direction and engage in such
politics. Pretending that it has nothing to do with politics is a pure
lie.

What other KDE contributors think about it? For example: do all KDE
funders support engaging software community in non-software activity?

I know that reddit is separate website and has nothing to do with this
forum, however this is social and community issue as well.

What about adding to KDE code of conduct: KDE is not engage in social
or political dispute. KDE doesn't discriminate nor support any groups
other than Free Software.

Personally I believe there are thousands of other better places on the
Internet to express whatever point of view someone has and KDE and its
community should not be involved in such activities.

It is now off. But this doesn't change the meaning of this action.
My first message about it to this list was on 3rd of July but has not
been accepted by moderators yet, so I had to subscribe.

Re: reddit r_KDE uses KDE logo in LGBT colors

[Jonathan Riddell]

Yes it is legal for KDE to use KDE's logo in any way we want to.  We want
to support KDE contributors and users who are LGBTQI+.  If it blocks people
from funding KDE then we do not want their money.  That you have to ask
shows we still have a long way to go in showing support for an important
issue which affects many people.

Jonathan


On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 at 11:14, sabayon11  wrote:

> I have a question:
> Is it legal for reddit moderators of r_KDE to use KDE logo in LGBT
> colors. Is it consistent with logo license?
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/
>
> Is it in line with KDE code of conduct - to support certain groups
> that are politically active and be selective in this choice? For
> example: why they don't support women rights in middle-east region?
> Who have the right to decide?
>
> Do you realize that it can stop certain people from funding KDE? Of
> course on the other hand it can make others, like George Soros to fund
> but does KDE really want to go in that direction and engage in such
> politics. Pretending that it has nothing to do with politics is a pure
> lie.
>
> What other KDE contributors think about it? For example: do all KDE
> funders support engaging software community in non-software activity?
>
> I know that reddit is separate website and has nothing to do with this
> forum, however this is social and community issue as well.
>
> What about adding to KDE code of conduct: KDE is not engage in social
> or political dispute. KDE doesn't discriminate nor support any groups
> other than Free Software.
>
> Personally I believe there are thousands of other better places on the
> Internet to express whatever point of view someone has and KDE and its
> community should not be involved in such activities.
>
> It is now off. But this doesn't change the meaning of this action.
> My first message about it to this list was on 3rd of July but has not
> been accepted by moderators yet, so I had to subscribe.
>