Testbed Discourse Server For Trial discuss.kde.org.uk

[Jonathan Riddell]

I've set up a Discourse server for a trail to see if it's something we
should add to KDE's infrastructure.

Discourse is a modern Free Software web forum and mailing list app.

Give it a trial now at http://discuss.kde.org.uk/

If you want to be an admin do ask me.

If you want a new Category (equivalent to a forum topic or mailing list) do
ask me.

There's no integration with identity (yet) so you'll need to set up a new
account.

If you want to use it as a mailing list replacement you need to Watch the
category.  Categories will need to have an e-mail address added to be able
to start new threads on from e-mail so ask if you want that.  To get a
mailing list experience turn it on in Preferences -> emails -> Enable
mailing list mode

Eventually I would like to see this replace forum.kde.org and allow
projects to move their mailing lists over to it as they wish.

Jonathan

Re: Testbed Discourse Server For Trial discuss.kde.org.uk

[Luca Beltrame]

Il giorno Wed, 19 Jun 2019 16:44:19 +0100
Jonathan Riddell  ha
scritto:

> Eventually I would like to see this replace forum.kde.org and allow
> projects to move their mailing lists over to it as they wish.

You may want to test somewhere if you can import existing threads from
f.k.o. Last time this was mentioned I think someone mentioned an
importer of some kind.


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Re: Testbed Discourse Server For Trial discuss.kde.org.uk

[Thomas Pfeiffer]

On 6/19/19 5:44 PM, Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> I've set up a Discourse server for a trail to see if it's something we
> should add to KDE's infrastructure.
> 
> Discourse is a modern Free Software web forum and mailing list app.
> 
> Give it a trial now at http://discuss.kde.org.uk/
> 
> If you want to be an admin do ask me.
> 
> If you want a new Category (equivalent to a forum topic or mailing list)
> do ask me.
> 
> There's no integration with identity (yet) so you'll need to set up a
> new account.
> 
> If you want to use it as a mailing list replacement you need to Watch
> the category.  Categories will need to have an e-mail address added to
> be able to start new threads on from e-mail so ask if you want that.  To
> get a mailing list experience turn it on in Preferences -> emails ->
> Enable mailing list mode
> 
> Eventually I would like to see this replace forum.kde.org
>  and allow projects to move their mailing lists
> over to it as they wish.
> 
> Jonathan

Hi Jonathan,
Thank you for setting this up!
I've recently had the opportunity to experience Discourse in action in
another community, and found it to fulfill most of the things we found
lacking in both of our current forum and mailing list software (which
makes sense given that they're both age-old and haven't seen much - if
any - exciting feature development in years).
So I (personally, not speaking for the board) would really like us to
test it out and see if we can replace first our forum and hopefully some
day Mailman with Discourse.
Thanks,
Thomas

Re: Testbed Discourse Server For Trial discuss.kde.org.uk

[Nate Graham]

On 6/29/19 4:04 PM, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:

Hi Jonathan,
Thank you for setting this up!
I've recently had the opportunity to experience Discourse in action in
another community, and found it to fulfill most of the things we found
lacking in both of our current forum and mailing list software (which
makes sense given that they're both age-old and haven't seen much - if
any - exciting feature development in years).
So I (personally, not speaking for the board) would really like us to
test it out and see if we can replace first our forum and hopefully some
day Mailman with Discourse.
Thanks,
Thomas



+1, I'm also quite in favor of this. Having used it in other 
communities, I find that it works well as a sort of 
half-forum-half-mailing-list tool that can succeed in replacing both.


Nate

Re: Testbed Discourse Server For Trial discuss.kde.org.uk

[Luigi Toscano]

Nate Graham ha scritto:
> On 6/29/19 4:04 PM, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
>> Hi Jonathan,
>> Thank you for setting this up!
>> I've recently had the opportunity to experience Discourse in action in
>> another community, and found it to fulfill most of the things we found
>> lacking in both of our current forum and mailing list software (which
>> makes sense given that they're both age-old and haven't seen much - if
>> any - exciting feature development in years).
>> So I (personally, not speaking for the board) would really like us to
>> test it out and see if we can replace first our forum and hopefully some
>> day Mailman with Discourse.
>> Thanks,
>> Thomas
>>
> 
> +1, I'm also quite in favor of this. Having used it in other communities, I
> find that it works well as a sort of half-forum-half-mailing-list tool that
> can succeed in replacing both.

I may have already asked this: do we have a plan to evaluate also hyperkitty
(mailman 3 frontend) before completely replacing also the mailing lists? It
provides a forum-like interface.

-- 
Luigi

Re: Testbed Discourse Server For Trial discuss.kde.org.uk

[Valorie Zimmerman]

Hi all,

On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 10:48 AM Luigi Toscano 
wrote:

> Nate Graham ha scritto:
> > On 6/29/19 4:04 PM, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> >> Hi Jonathan,
> >> Thank you for setting this up!
> >> I've recently had the opportunity to experience Discourse in action in
> >> another community, and found it to fulfill most of the things we found
> >> lacking in both of our current forum and mailing list software (which
> >> makes sense given that they're both age-old and haven't seen much - if
> >> any - exciting feature development in years).
> >> So I (personally, not speaking for the board) would really like us to
> >> test it out and see if we can replace first our forum and hopefully some
> >> day Mailman with Discourse.
> >> Thanks,
> >> Thomas
> >>
> >
> > +1, I'm also quite in favor of this. Having used it in other
> communities, I
> > find that it works well as a sort of half-forum-half-mailing-list tool
> that
> > can succeed in replacing both.
>
> I may have already asked this: do we have a plan to evaluate also
> hyperkitty
> (mailman 3 frontend) before completely replacing also the mailing lists? It
> provides a forum-like interface.
>
> --
> Luigi
>

I'm using the Mailman 3/hyperkitty for genealogy mail lists at
Rootsweb.com. I was not in on the setup, which IMO is not done very well at
Rootsweb, so maybe these comments are unfair.

So far though, I Do Not Like MM3, or hyperkittly. If there is a way to
administer lists via the commandline, as we have now with Listadmin, I've
not found it. Hyperkitty (besides being an extraordinarily bad name) is not
a good forum replacement at ALL. The search barely works, for starters.
True, the way our KDE list archives is set up is bad as well.

That said, I'm not sold on Discourse. I've tried the one ubuntu has set up
[1], and have not yet figured out how to get the email interface to work
correctly. Aha, while clicking around in it I see that they didn't enable
that feature. I find Discourse hard to move around it. I keep having to
mess with the URL to get back to Home. So far, old mailman lists +
IRC/T/Matrix wins.

Whether Discourse could replace our KDE forums is an open question.

Valorie

1. https://discourse.ubuntu.com/

-- 
http://about.me/valoriez - pronouns: she/her

Re: Testbed Discourse Server For Trial discuss.kde.org.uk

[Thomas Pfeiffer]

On 7/1/19 9:02 AM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 10:48 AM Luigi Toscano  > wrote:
> 
> Nate Graham ha scritto:
> > On 6/29/19 4:04 PM, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> >> Hi Jonathan,
> >> Thank you for setting this up!
> >> I've recently had the opportunity to experience Discourse in
> action in
> >> another community, and found it to fulfill most of the things we
> found
> >> lacking in both of our current forum and mailing list software (which
> >> makes sense given that they're both age-old and haven't seen much
> - if
> >> any - exciting feature development in years).
> >> So I (personally, not speaking for the board) would really like us to
> >> test it out and see if we can replace first our forum and
> hopefully some
> >> day Mailman with Discourse.
> >> Thanks,
> >> Thomas
> >>
> >
> > +1, I'm also quite in favor of this. Having used it in other
> communities, I
> > find that it works well as a sort of half-forum-half-mailing-list
> tool that
> > can succeed in replacing both.
> 
> I may have already asked this: do we have a plan to evaluate also
> hyperkitty
> (mailman 3 frontend) before completely replacing also the mailing
> lists? It
> provides a forum-like interface.
> 
> -- 
> Luigi
> 
> 
> I'm using the Mailman 3/hyperkitty for genealogy mail lists at
> Rootsweb.com. I was not in on the setup, which IMO is not done very well
> at Rootsweb, so maybe these comments are unfair.
> 
> So far though, I Do Not Like MM3, or hyperkittly. If there is a way to
> administer lists via the commandline, as we have now with Listadmin,
> I've not found it. Hyperkitty (besides being an extraordinarily bad
> name) is not a good forum replacement at ALL. The search barely works,
> for starters. True, the way our KDE list archives is set up is bad as well. 
> 
> That said, I'm not sold on Discourse. I've tried the one ubuntu has set
> up [1], and have not yet figured out how to get the email interface to
> work correctly. Aha, while clicking around in it I see that they didn't
> enable that feature. I find Discourse hard to move around it. I keep
> having to mess with the URL to get back to Home. So far, old mailman
> lists + IRC/T/Matrix wins. 
> 
> Whether Discourse could replace our KDE forums is an open question.

I haven't really tried Discourse's mailing features yet (apart from
getting digests of new forum messages), all I can say is that the forum
part is far better than our current forum (which isn't even
mobile-friendly at all).
That's why I said "forum first, mailman maybe at some point in the future".

Re: Testbed Discourse Server For Trial discuss.kde.org.uk

[Jonathan Riddell]

How can we progress with this?

It was discussed at Akademy and everyone seemed in favour
https://phabricator.kde.org/T11675

The issues we had with it seem to have useful responses from Discourse
developers
https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-setup-for-kde/128193

I'm very happy to help lead if empowered to do so by sysadmins.

Jonathan



On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 at 16:44, Jonathan Riddell  wrote:

> I've set up a Discourse server for a trail to see if it's something we
> should add to KDE's infrastructure.
>
> Discourse is a modern Free Software web forum and mailing list app.
>
> Give it a trial now at http://discuss.kde.org.uk/
>
> If you want to be an admin do ask me.
>
> If you want a new Category (equivalent to a forum topic or mailing list)
> do ask me.
>
> There's no integration with identity (yet) so you'll need to set up a new
> account.
>
> If you want to use it as a mailing list replacement you need to Watch the
> category.  Categories will need to have an e-mail address added to be able
> to start new threads on from e-mail so ask if you want that.  To get a
> mailing list experience turn it on in Preferences -> emails -> Enable
> mailing list mode
>
> Eventually I would like to see this replace forum.kde.org and allow
> projects to move their mailing lists over to it as they wish.
>
> Jonathan
>
>

Re: Testbed Discourse Server For Trial discuss.kde.org.uk

[Ben Cooksley]

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 2:58 AM Jonathan Riddell  wrote:
>
> How can we progress with this?
>
> It was discussed at Akademy and everyone seemed in favour 
> https://phabricator.kde.org/T11675
>
> The issues we had with it seem to have useful responses from Discourse 
> developers
> https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-setup-for-kde/128193
>
> I'm very happy to help lead if empowered to do so by sysadmins.

If we could delay this for a little bit so we've got some time to
complete the migration of the Git repositories (and thus code review)
to Gitlab that would be appreciated.
We're currently in the middle of preparing to move it to the final
production server (hoping to do that this weekend)

>
> Jonathan
>

Cheers,
Ben

>
>
> On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 at 16:44, Jonathan Riddell  wrote:
>>
>> I've set up a Discourse server for a trail to see if it's something we 
>> should add to KDE's infrastructure.
>>
>> Discourse is a modern Free Software web forum and mailing list app.
>>
>> Give it a trial now at http://discuss.kde.org.uk/
>>
>> If you want to be an admin do ask me.
>>
>> If you want a new Category (equivalent to a forum topic or mailing list) do 
>> ask me.
>>
>> There's no integration with identity (yet) so you'll need to set up a new 
>> account.
>>
>> If you want to use it as a mailing list replacement you need to Watch the 
>> category.  Categories will need to have an e-mail address added to be able 
>> to start new threads on from e-mail so ask if you want that.  To get a 
>> mailing list experience turn it on in Preferences -> emails -> Enable 
>> mailing list mode
>>
>> Eventually I would like to see this replace forum.kde.org and allow projects 
>> to move their mailing lists over to it as they wish.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>