Re: Proposal: DBus activation of Accessibility
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Frederik Gladhorn wrote: > Hi, > sorry for cross-posting. I would just like to have this looked at by everyone > so we can simply implement it. > > During the ATK/AT-SPI hackfest it came up a few times that we have no solution > to enable accessibility (eg Screen Readers) on the fly. The conclusion was > that > using DBus would fit everyones needs and make it easy for third partys to > adapt. > > > Proposal: DBus activation of Accessibility I'm not sure how things work on the KDE side, but for GTK+ based applications, this does not really solve the problem. Since GTK+ a11y implementation lives in a module that needs to be loaded by all applications before a11y tools talk to it. We can load the module at runtime, but at that time widgets may already have instantiated no-op a11y implementations.
Re: Formal complaint concerning the use of the name "System Settings" by GNOME
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Luca Ferretti wrote: > What about, instead, Shaun's proposal? It seems reasonable to me > (while I like to test it) and we could do the same in GNOME stuff > (while it's additional work for maintainers and tranlators). I don't think Shauns proposal addresses the issue, really. If you want an app to be usable in different environments, then there are some good solutions: - make sure the app is self-contained and manages all of its settings itself - make your app smart enough to pick up the relevant settings from the different environments you want to support And there are bad solutions, including: - making the app drag along half of its original environment, via dependencies
Re: Formal complaint concerning the use of the name "System Settings" by GNOME
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On 22 July 2011 17:17, Ben Cooksley wrote: > To be more specific about the problem, installing kde-workspace to a > GNOME installation results in 2 indistinguishable apps named System > Settings and 2 named System Monitor. On Ubuntu at least, if I want the > GNOME version, I have to remember to click the first System Monitor > but the second System Setting which is awfully frustrating. Here's a > screenshot from my Ubuntu install: > https://launchpadlibrarian.net/75745040/Gnome%20Shell%20screnshot.png This is what happens when you mix and match bits and pieces from different operating systems. There is really not much that can be done about it. Since that is what both KDE and GNOME are trying to do: build complete, self-contained systems. Arguably, KDE is a little further along, with their big monolithic modules like kde-workspace that drag in most of the desktop, while GNOME apps can often still be installed without much of the desktop. > I'd like to suggest that the GNOME developers consider changing the > public name of their app to "System Preferences." This matches the Mac > OS X design and arguably GNOME follows some parts of OS X design. > Furthermore, it is more in line with Gnome 2's System>Preferences and > System>Administration. That is an absurd proposal. What next, rename gnome-terminal to 'Commandline Window' because Xfce also ships a 'Terminal' ?! Generic names don't come with exclusive ownership... And as has already been pointed out, offering the user a meaningless choice between 'System Settings' and 'System Preferences' is no less of a failure than having 2 identical items.
Re: Formal complaint concerning the use of the name "System Settings" by GNOME
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 4:41 AM, Ben Cooksley wrote: > @Matthias: please explain how this doesn't solve the issue. It certainly solves the immediate symptom of 'two things in the menu are named the same'.
