On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 17:53 -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
On 22 July 2011 17:17, Ben Cooksley bcooks...@kde.org wrote:
Now lets go into something more productive and perhaps we can fix this
before the sunny Desktop Summit.
Hi Olav,
In terms of being productive surrounding this, I have several questions:
Screenshots on your live wiki indicate that GNOME developers were
aware of the use of the System Settings name by KDE. Why did your
developers deliberately proceed with the use of this name, knowing it
would cause a conflict? (This was the primary reason why I was
particularly angry about the discovery of your use of this name)
Is there any reason why it cannot be renamed once more as soon as is
possible so that the next release your team makes fixes this issue?
I would prefer to resolve this issue as soon as possible, to minimise
the work packagers will inevitably do to block KDE System Settings
under GNOME, and the resulting KDE application user support issues
that will arise.
Regards,
Ben Cooksley
KDE System Settings Maintainer
To be more specific about the problem, installing kde-workspace to a
GNOME installation results in 2 indistinguishable apps named System
Settings and 2 named System Monitor. On Ubuntu at least, if I want the
GNOME version, I have to remember to click the first System Monitor
but the second System Setting which is awfully frustrating. Here's a
screenshot from my Ubuntu install:
https://launchpadlibrarian.net/75745040/Gnome%20Shell%20screnshot.png
GNOME happily has the OnlyShowIn:Gnome,Unity key set for
gnome-control-center but KDE is unwilling to do the same because that
is the only way to change important preferences that affect KDE apps
in general.
I'd like to suggest that the GNOME developers consider changing the
public name of their app to System Preferences. This matches the Mac
OS X design and arguably GNOME follows some parts of OS X design.
Furthermore, it is more in line with Gnome 2's SystemPreferences and
SystemAdministration.
I very much doubt users will be any less confused when confronted
with System Settings and System Preferences. We should work on
shared groundwork so that our settings are interoperable. If a user
has to set his language in two different applications just because
he happens to use applications written in two different toolkits,
we have failed miserably.
However, if the here-and-now requires this duplication, then I don't
think it's right for any application to use a generic name outside
its target desktop. Having the KDE System Settings show up as just
System Settings under GNOME is confusing to GNOME users. Just as
it would be confusing if I made Yelp show up as Help in KDE.
There's a very easy way to use a different application name under
different desktops. Just install two .desktop files. One looks
like this:
Name=System Settings
OnlyShowIn=KDE
The other looks like this:
Name=KDE System Settings
NotShowIn=KDE
You just can't expect to own generic names across desktops.
--
Shaun
