Re: Getting involved in SoK

[Mariam Fahmy]

Hi,
I am so enthusiastic to start  working in this project, and it will be ok
if we set a call to understand more about the project, it will help me a
lot, I am beginner in open source so there might be a lot of things which
isn't clear to me yet, but I will do my best to finish this project in a
perfect way with your help, I am a student, and I have exams nowdays, I
will finish exams on 1 December, if it is suitable for you, we can set a
call and start working on it.
Thanks.

On Mon, 23 Nov 2020, 8:10 pm Timothée Ravier,  wrote:

> Hi Miriam, Aleix,
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 5:07 AM Aleix Pol  wrote:
>
>> Including Timothée who will be co-mentoring the project. :)
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 5:03 AM Aleix Pol  wrote:
>> > Adding the mentors list to know what the exact process for students is.
>> >
>> > Mariam, in the meantime, if you want to start working on it or want to
>> > have some kind of call to get started, tell me and I'll see to it.
>>
>
> Fee free to send all rpm-ostree questions my way.
>
> Setting up a call to get things started may be good.
>
> Thanks,
> --
>
> Timothée Ravier
>
> Red Hat & Fedora CoreOS Engineer
>
> Red Hat 
>
> trav...@redhat.comIM: travier
> 
>

Re: Getting involved in SoK

[Carl Schwan]

Hi,

Le mercredi, novembre 18, 2020 5:07 AM, Aleix Pol  a écrit :

> Including Timothée who will be co-mentoring the project. :)
>
> Aleix
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 5:03 AM Aleix Pol aleix...@kde.org wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 10:42 AM Mariam Fahmy mariamfahm...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > > Thanks alot for helping me.
> > > I have basically understand what you have provided me, what next step 
> > > shall I do to start in this project?
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > > On Mon, 9 Nov 2020, 3:40 pm Aleix Pol, aleix...@kde.org wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 7:37 PM Mariam Fahmy mariamfahm...@gmail.com 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > Thanks alot for your advice.
> > > > > I have installed the project locally and I start discovering how 
> > > > > backends work with codebase.
> > > > > I have understood but I am missing things.
> > > > > After doing some research and gathering information, here's what I 
> > > > > can't clearly understand: (Sorry if questions are little bit silly)
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mariam,
> > > > No need to worry, feel free to ask away.
> > > >
> > > > > 1- what does it mean by resource?
> > > > > When I searched about it, I found that resources may be data required 
> > > > > by user or requests from clients, is it right ?
> > > >
> > > > You can see here the class that defines a resource, should help you
> > > > see what it represents:
> > > > https://invent.kde.org/plasma/discover/-/blob/master/libdiscover/resources/AbstractResource.h
> > > > In general, it's an asset: be it an application, a wallpaper or
> > > > anything that can be listed and installed.
> > > >
> > > > > 2- to create a new resources backend we need to implement two classes,
> > > > > The first class is the basic class which saves all created resources 
> > > > > and install & remove application or cancel transactions.
> > > > > The second class, I didn't understand it's functionality, I found 
> > > > > that it is related to plugins but didn't understand it.
> > > >
> > > > The second important one is the resource I just mentioned above.
> > > > Please explain a bit more what you don't understand.
> > > >
> > > > > 3-Filters in the base class: its target to filter the new requested 
> > > > > resources?
> > > >
> > > > filters we just use when searching, to see what's being searched.
> > > > In the case of this project it shouldn't be very important, since we
> > > > will just be listing a system image.
> > > >
> > > > > 4- for each new resource backend, it should include all the methods 
> > > > > of base class, right?
> > > > > As these methods acts as properties for each new resource.
> > > >
> > > > You need to implement all the abstract (i.e. virtual = 0) methods. The
> > > > rest of virtuals you can override if you want to give it a different
> > > > functionality.
> > > >
> > > > > 5- I have searched about plugins, but I didn't fully understand it, 
> > > > > plugins enable programmers to update host program while keeping the 
> > > > > user within the program's environment, but I can't understand what is 
> > > > > the role of plugins here if we receive new requests and make new 
> > > > > resources?
> > > > > It is meant that while creating a new resource, we need plugin in 
> > > > > order to keep the user with the program's environment without 
> > > > > altering it or affecting it while creating new resources?
> > > >
> > > > It's just a way to build the applications so the whole project doesn't
> > > > depend on a specific technology. You can see the ones we implement
> > > > right now here:
> > > > https://invent.kde.org/plasma/discover/-/tree/master/libdiscover/backends
> > > > This project should be adding a new OSTreeRPMBackend folder in here
> > > > that will only take care of this one implementation.
> > > > I hope this helps,
> > > > Aleix
> >
> > Adding the mentors list to know what the exact process for students is.
> > Mariam, in the meantime, if you want to start working on it or want to
> > have some kind of call to get started, tell me and I'll see to it.
> > Aleix

I just finished fixing the last few issues in the new season.kde.org website.
The timeline hasn't been published yet, but I hope Caio will soon publish it.

But you should already be able to start writing a proposal. There is some
instructions about that in 
https://community.kde.org/GSoC#Student_proposal_guidelines.
This is for GSoC but SoC is similar.

Mentors should create an account in season.kde.org and request their mentor
account. And then after I accept their request, should be able to see the 
proposals
and comment them, if there is no bug in the software ;)

Cheers,
Carl

Re: Getting involved in SoK

[Aleix Pol]

Including Timothée who will be co-mentoring the project. :)

Aleix

On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 5:03 AM Aleix Pol  wrote:
>
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 10:42 AM Mariam Fahmy  wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> > Thanks alot for helping me.
> > I have basically understand what you have provided me, what next step shall 
> > I do to start in this project?
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > On Mon, 9 Nov 2020, 3:40 pm Aleix Pol,  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 7:37 PM Mariam Fahmy  
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hello,
> >> > Thanks alot for your advice.
> >> > I have installed the project locally and I start discovering how 
> >> > backends work with codebase.
> >> > I have understood but I am missing things.
> >> > After doing some research and gathering information, here's what I can't 
> >> > clearly understand: (Sorry if questions are little bit silly)
> >>
> >> Hi Mariam,
> >> No need to worry, feel free to ask away.
> >>
> >> > 1- what does it mean by resource?
> >> > When I searched about it, I found that resources may be data required by 
> >> > user or requests from clients, is it right ?
> >>
> >> You can see here the class that defines a resource, should help you
> >> see what it represents:
> >> https://invent.kde.org/plasma/discover/-/blob/master/libdiscover/resources/AbstractResource.h
> >>
> >> In general, it's an asset: be it an application, a wallpaper or
> >> anything that can be listed and installed.
> >>
> >> > 2- to create a new resources backend we need to implement two classes,
> >> > The first class is the basic class which saves all created resources and 
> >> > install & remove application or cancel transactions.
> >> > The second class, I didn't understand it's functionality, I found that 
> >> > it is related to plugins but didn't understand it.
> >>
> >> The second important one is the resource I just mentioned above.
> >> Please explain a bit more what you don't understand.
> >>
> >> > 3-Filters in the base class: its target to filter the new requested 
> >> > resources?
> >>
> >> filters we just use when searching, to see what's being searched.
> >> In the case of this project it shouldn't be very important, since we
> >> will just be listing a system image.
> >>
> >> > 4- for each new resource backend, it should include all the methods of 
> >> > base class, right?
> >> > As these methods acts as properties for each new resource.
> >>
> >> You need to implement all the abstract (i.e. virtual = 0) methods. The
> >> rest of virtuals you can override if you want to give it a different
> >> functionality.
> >>
> >> > 5- I have searched about plugins, but I didn't fully understand it,  
> >> > plugins enable programmers to update host program while keeping the user 
> >> > within the program's environment, but I can't understand what is the 
> >> > role of plugins here if we receive new requests and make new resources?
> >> > It is meant that while creating a new resource, we need plugin in order 
> >> > to keep the user with the program's environment without altering it or 
> >> > affecting it while creating new resources?
> >>
> >> It's just a way to build the applications so the whole project doesn't
> >> depend on a specific technology. You can see the ones we implement
> >> right now here:
> >> https://invent.kde.org/plasma/discover/-/tree/master/libdiscover/backends
> >>
> >> This project should be adding a new OSTreeRPMBackend folder in here
> >> that will only take care of this one implementation.
> >>
> >> I hope this helps,
> >> Aleix
>
> Adding the mentors list to know what the exact process for students is.
>
> Mariam, in the meantime, if you want to start working on it or want to
> have some kind of call to get started, tell me and I'll see to it.
>
> Aleix

Re: Getting involved in SoK

[Aleix Pol]

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 10:42 AM Mariam Fahmy  wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Thanks alot for helping me.
> I have basically understand what you have provided me, what next step shall I 
> do to start in this project?
> Thanks in advance.
>
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2020, 3:40 pm Aleix Pol,  wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 7:37 PM Mariam Fahmy  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> > Thanks alot for your advice.
>> > I have installed the project locally and I start discovering how backends 
>> > work with codebase.
>> > I have understood but I am missing things.
>> > After doing some research and gathering information, here's what I can't 
>> > clearly understand: (Sorry if questions are little bit silly)
>>
>> Hi Mariam,
>> No need to worry, feel free to ask away.
>>
>> > 1- what does it mean by resource?
>> > When I searched about it, I found that resources may be data required by 
>> > user or requests from clients, is it right ?
>>
>> You can see here the class that defines a resource, should help you
>> see what it represents:
>> https://invent.kde.org/plasma/discover/-/blob/master/libdiscover/resources/AbstractResource.h
>>
>> In general, it's an asset: be it an application, a wallpaper or
>> anything that can be listed and installed.
>>
>> > 2- to create a new resources backend we need to implement two classes,
>> > The first class is the basic class which saves all created resources and 
>> > install & remove application or cancel transactions.
>> > The second class, I didn't understand it's functionality, I found that it 
>> > is related to plugins but didn't understand it.
>>
>> The second important one is the resource I just mentioned above.
>> Please explain a bit more what you don't understand.
>>
>> > 3-Filters in the base class: its target to filter the new requested 
>> > resources?
>>
>> filters we just use when searching, to see what's being searched.
>> In the case of this project it shouldn't be very important, since we
>> will just be listing a system image.
>>
>> > 4- for each new resource backend, it should include all the methods of 
>> > base class, right?
>> > As these methods acts as properties for each new resource.
>>
>> You need to implement all the abstract (i.e. virtual = 0) methods. The
>> rest of virtuals you can override if you want to give it a different
>> functionality.
>>
>> > 5- I have searched about plugins, but I didn't fully understand it,  
>> > plugins enable programmers to update host program while keeping the user 
>> > within the program's environment, but I can't understand what is the role 
>> > of plugins here if we receive new requests and make new resources?
>> > It is meant that while creating a new resource, we need plugin in order to 
>> > keep the user with the program's environment without altering it or 
>> > affecting it while creating new resources?
>>
>> It's just a way to build the applications so the whole project doesn't
>> depend on a specific technology. You can see the ones we implement
>> right now here:
>> https://invent.kde.org/plasma/discover/-/tree/master/libdiscover/backends
>>
>> This project should be adding a new OSTreeRPMBackend folder in here
>> that will only take care of this one implementation.
>>
>> I hope this helps,
>> Aleix

Adding the mentors list to know what the exact process for students is.

Mariam, in the meantime, if you want to start working on it or want to
have some kind of call to get started, tell me and I'll see to it.

Aleix

Re: Getting involved in SoK

[Mariam Fahmy]

Hello,
Thanks alot for helping me.
I have basically understand what you have provided me, what next step shall
I do to start in this project?
Thanks in advance.

On Mon, 9 Nov 2020, 3:40 pm Aleix Pol,  wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 7:37 PM Mariam Fahmy 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> > Thanks alot for your advice.
> > I have installed the project locally and I start discovering how
> backends work with codebase.
> > I have understood but I am missing things.
> > After doing some research and gathering information, here's what I can't
> clearly understand: (Sorry if questions are little bit silly)
>
> Hi Mariam,
> No need to worry, feel free to ask away.
>
> > 1- what does it mean by resource?
> > When I searched about it, I found that resources may be data required by
> user or requests from clients, is it right ?
>
> You can see here the class that defines a resource, should help you
> see what it represents:
>
> https://invent.kde.org/plasma/discover/-/blob/master/libdiscover/resources/AbstractResource.h
>
> In general, it's an asset: be it an application, a wallpaper or
> anything that can be listed and installed.
>
> > 2- to create a new resources backend we need to implement two classes,
> > The first class is the basic class which saves all created resources and
> install & remove application or cancel transactions.
> > The second class, I didn't understand it's functionality, I found that
> it is related to plugins but didn't understand it.
>
> The second important one is the resource I just mentioned above.
> Please explain a bit more what you don't understand.
>
> > 3-Filters in the base class: its target to filter the new requested
> resources?
>
> filters we just use when searching, to see what's being searched.
> In the case of this project it shouldn't be very important, since we
> will just be listing a system image.
>
> > 4- for each new resource backend, it should include all the methods of
> base class, right?
> > As these methods acts as properties for each new resource.
>
> You need to implement all the abstract (i.e. virtual = 0) methods. The
> rest of virtuals you can override if you want to give it a different
> functionality.
>
> > 5- I have searched about plugins, but I didn't fully understand it,
> plugins enable programmers to update host program while keeping the user
> within the program's environment, but I can't understand what is the role
> of plugins here if we receive new requests and make new resources?
> > It is meant that while creating a new resource, we need plugin in order
> to keep the user with the program's environment without altering it or
> affecting it while creating new resources?
>
> It's just a way to build the applications so the whole project doesn't
> depend on a specific technology. You can see the ones we implement
> right now here:
> https://invent.kde.org/plasma/discover/-/tree/master/libdiscover/backends
>
> This project should be adding a new OSTreeRPMBackend folder in here
> that will only take care of this one implementation.
>
> I hope this helps,
> Aleix
>

Re: Getting involved in SoK

[Aleix Pol]

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 7:37 PM Mariam Fahmy  wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Thanks alot for your advice.
> I have installed the project locally and I start discovering how backends 
> work with codebase.
> I have understood but I am missing things.
> After doing some research and gathering information, here's what I can't 
> clearly understand: (Sorry if questions are little bit silly)

Hi Mariam,
No need to worry, feel free to ask away.

> 1- what does it mean by resource?
> When I searched about it, I found that resources may be data required by user 
> or requests from clients, is it right ?

You can see here the class that defines a resource, should help you
see what it represents:
https://invent.kde.org/plasma/discover/-/blob/master/libdiscover/resources/AbstractResource.h

In general, it's an asset: be it an application, a wallpaper or
anything that can be listed and installed.

> 2- to create a new resources backend we need to implement two classes,
> The first class is the basic class which saves all created resources and 
> install & remove application or cancel transactions.
> The second class, I didn't understand it's functionality, I found that it is 
> related to plugins but didn't understand it.

The second important one is the resource I just mentioned above.
Please explain a bit more what you don't understand.

> 3-Filters in the base class: its target to filter the new requested resources?

filters we just use when searching, to see what's being searched.
In the case of this project it shouldn't be very important, since we
will just be listing a system image.

> 4- for each new resource backend, it should include all the methods of base 
> class, right?
> As these methods acts as properties for each new resource.

You need to implement all the abstract (i.e. virtual = 0) methods. The
rest of virtuals you can override if you want to give it a different
functionality.

> 5- I have searched about plugins, but I didn't fully understand it,  plugins 
> enable programmers to update host program while keeping the user within the 
> program's environment, but I can't understand what is the role of plugins 
> here if we receive new requests and make new resources?
> It is meant that while creating a new resource, we need plugin in order to 
> keep the user with the program's environment without altering it or affecting 
> it while creating new resources?

It's just a way to build the applications so the whole project doesn't
depend on a specific technology. You can see the ones we implement
right now here:
https://invent.kde.org/plasma/discover/-/tree/master/libdiscover/backends

This project should be adding a new OSTreeRPMBackend folder in here
that will only take care of this one implementation.

I hope this helps,
Aleix

Re: Getting involved in SoK

[Mariam Fahmy]

Hello,
Thanks alot for your advice.
I have installed the project locally and I start discovering how backends
work with codebase.
I have understood but I am missing things.
After doing some research and gathering information, here's what I can't
clearly understand: (Sorry if questions are little bit silly)

1- what does it mean by resource?
When I searched about it, I found that resources may be data required by
user or requests from clients, is it right ?

2- to create a new resources backend we need to implement two classes,
The first class is the basic class which saves all created resources and
install & remove application or cancel transactions.
The second class, I didn't understand it's functionality, I found that it
is related to plugins but didn't understand it.

3-Filters in the base class: its target to filter the new requested
resources?

4- for each new resource backend, it should include all the methods of base
class, right?
As these methods acts as properties for each new resource.

5- I have searched about plugins, but I didn't fully understand it,
plugins enable programmers to update host program while keeping the user
within the program's environment, but I can't understand what is the role
of plugins here if we receive new requests and make new resources?
It is meant that while creating a new resource, we need plugin in order to
keep the user with the program's environment without altering it or
affecting it while creating new resources?

Sorry for annoying you.
Thanks in advance.

On Fri, 6 Nov 2020, 4:00 am Aleix Pol,  wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 9:36 PM Mariam Fahmy 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> > I am Mariam, I am studying computer engineering, I am beginner and I
> want to get involved in the open source community, I have good knowledge in
> c++, OOP, data structure and algorithms.
> > I have read all projects provided by SoK, I am interested in Plasma
> discover rpm-ostree backend, what contributions shall I start related to
> this project to fully understand it and get familiar with it?
> > Any advice will be very helpful.
> > Thanks in advance
>
> Hi Mariam,
> Glad you are interested in this project, I'm one of the people who put
> the idea forward.
>
> I'd say a good first step would be to install the project locally and
> tinker with it a bit:
> https://invent.kde.org/plasma/discover/
>
> You can also read up on how discover backends work within the codebase.
> This would be a good starting point:
>
> https://invent.kde.org/plasma/discover/-/blob/master/libdiscover/resources/AbstractResourcesBackend.h
>
> For any further questions don't hesitate to ask directly.
> Aleix
>

Re: Getting involved in SoK

[Aleix Pol]

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 9:36 PM Mariam Fahmy  wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I am Mariam, I am studying computer engineering, I am beginner and I want to 
> get involved in the open source community, I have good knowledge in c++, OOP, 
> data structure and algorithms.
> I have read all projects provided by SoK, I am interested in Plasma discover 
> rpm-ostree backend, what contributions shall I start related to this project 
> to fully understand it and get familiar with it?
> Any advice will be very helpful.
> Thanks in advance

Hi Mariam,
Glad you are interested in this project, I'm one of the people who put
the idea forward.

I'd say a good first step would be to install the project locally and
tinker with it a bit:
https://invent.kde.org/plasma/discover/

You can also read up on how discover backends work within the codebase.
This would be a good starting point:
https://invent.kde.org/plasma/discover/-/blob/master/libdiscover/resources/AbstractResourcesBackend.h

For any further questions don't hesitate to ask directly.
Aleix

Getting involved in SoK

[Mariam Fahmy]

Hello,
I am Mariam, I am studying computer engineering, I am beginner and I want
to get involved in the open source community, I have good knowledge in c++,
OOP, data structure and algorithms.
I have read all projects provided by SoK, I am interested in Plasma
discover rpm-ostree backend, what contributions shall I start related to
this project to fully understand it and get familiar with it?
Any advice will be very helpful.
Thanks in advance