D19952: Added 2 icons (1 16px and 1 22px) named "input-num-on" that shows a num-lock key

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  will move to invent.kde.org

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D19952: Added 2 icons (1 16px and 1 22px) named "input-num-on" that shows a num-lock key

[t-ask]

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  As I'm quite busy right now I will upload my current SVG version. I did add a 
very simple more Breeze styled icon (which I think is not the best fit to 
identify it as a NUM button).
  
  F6759017: image.png 
  
  Maybe someone else has the time to alter this one. If it's not urgent, let me 
know the changes you like to see and I will modify this version later on - can 
take up to 3 weeks.
  
  F6759011: input-numlock-on.22.svg 

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D19952: Added 2 icons (1 16px and 1 22px) named "input-num-on" that shows a num-lock key

[Noah Davis]

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  Alright. I'll finish it when I have time.

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D19952: Added 2 icons (1 16px and 1 22px) named "input-num-on" that shows a num-lock key

[Arvid Hansson]

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  In D19952#439120 , @ndavis wrote:
  
  > In D19952#439031 , @arvidhansson 
wrote:
  >
  > > In D19952#438965 , @ndavis 
wrote:
  > >
  > > > The rounded corners and bold 1 are not very breeze like, so I don't 
think so, unless he changes his design. Unless you still plan to do the icon 
yourself, you should probably hand off responsibility for the patch to someone 
else.
  > >
  > >
  > > Sorry for the confusion, as I'm new to this I really need help and aren't 
able to do this alone, just just wanted to bring some attention to this and 
learn how to work with KDE. Thanks for all help, should we now use t-ask's 
first icon(the right one) or something else?
  >
  >
  > No problem, it's just unfortunate that you picked an issue where other 
people already had their own ideas planned. If there weren't more than 1 design 
to look at, it would be easier for me to work with you 1-on-1. Why don't you 
try making an icon for an app you like that doesn't already have an icon in 
Breeze Icons? Not Firefox, Thunderbird or proprietary software (although there 
might be some exceptions). If you have questions, bring them up in the VDG chat.
  
  
  Okay, I don't think I should work with this anymore, just wantet to fix this 
bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391134. Please complete this yourself.

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D19952: Added 2 icons (1 16px and 1 22px) named "input-num-on" that shows a num-lock key

[Noah Davis]

ndavis added a comment.


  In D19952#439031 , @arvidhansson 
wrote:
  
  > In D19952#438965 , @ndavis wrote:
  >
  > > The rounded corners and bold 1 are not very breeze like, so I don't think 
so, unless he changes his design. Unless you still plan to do the icon 
yourself, you should probably hand off responsibility for the patch to someone 
else.
  >
  >
  > Sorry for the confusion, as I'm new to this I really need help and aren't 
able to do this alone, just just wanted to bring some attention to this and 
learn how to work with KDE. Thanks for all help, should we now use t-ask's 
first icon(the right one) or something else?
  
  
  No problem, it's just unfortunate that you picked an issue where other people 
already had their own ideas planned. If there weren't more than 1 design to 
look at, it would be easier for me to work with you 1-on-1. Why don't you try 
making an icon for an app you like that doesn't already have an icon in Breeze 
Icons? Not Firefox, Thunderbird or proprietary software, but there might be 
some exceptions. If you have questions, bring them up in the VDG chat.

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D19952: Added 2 icons (1 16px and 1 22px) named "input-num-on" that shows a num-lock key

[Arvid Hansson]

arvidhansson added a comment.


  In D19952#438965 , @ndavis wrote:
  
  > The rounded corners and bold 1 are not very breeze like, so I don't think 
so, unless he changes his design. Unless you still plan to do the icon 
yourself, you should probably hand off responsibility for the patch to someone 
else.
  
  
  Sorry for the confusion, as I'm new to this I really need help and aren't 
able to do this alone, just just wanted to bring some attention to this and 
learn how to work with KDE. Thanks for all help, should we now use t-ask's 
first icon(the right one) or something else?

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[Noah Davis]

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  The rounded corners and bold 1 are not very breeze like, so I don't think so, 
unless he changes his design. Unless you still plan to do the icon yourself, 
you should probably hand off responsibility for the patch to someone else.

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D19952: Added 2 icons (1 16px and 1 22px) named "input-num-on" that shows a num-lock key

[Arvid Hansson]

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  In D19952#438310 , @ndavis wrote:
  
  > In D19952#438130 , @arvidhansson 
wrote:
  >
  > > In D19952#437726 , @ndavis 
wrote:
  > >
  > > > In D19952#437670 , 
@arvidhansson wrote:
  > > >
  > > > > In D19952#437419 , @ndavis 
wrote:
  > > > >
  > > > > > This can be done in the system tray widget instead of making a 
separate icon for off. Ever notice how the notifications icon is grey when it's 
not active?
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > > Sorry, I don't understand, never had noticed anything special with 
the notifications.
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > Top icon is for notifications (partly transparent), bottom icon is for 
Redshift (100% opacity)
  > > >  F6718240: Screenshot_20190324_184101.png 

  > > >
  > > > In D19952#437664 , 
@arvidhansson wrote:
  > > >
  > > > > [...] is it just me or is the transparent icon more like grey?
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > It's not just you, but that's how partly transparent black on a white 
background is supposed to look.
  > >
  > >
  > > Okay, I get it, what should we do now?
  >
  >
  > We only make `input-numlock-on`, no off version
  
  
  Yeah, but which icon should we use? T-ask's icon maybe?

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[Noah Davis]

ndavis added a comment.


  In D19952#438130 , @arvidhansson 
wrote:
  
  > In D19952#437726 , @ndavis wrote:
  >
  > > In D19952#437670 , 
@arvidhansson wrote:
  > >
  > > > In D19952#437419 , @ndavis 
wrote:
  > > >
  > > > > This can be done in the system tray widget instead of making a 
separate icon for off. Ever notice how the notifications icon is grey when it's 
not active?
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > Sorry, I don't understand, never had noticed anything special with the 
notifications.
  > >
  > >
  > > Top icon is for notifications (partly transparent), bottom icon is for 
Redshift (100% opacity)
  > >  F6718240: Screenshot_20190324_184101.png 

  > >
  > > In D19952#437664 , 
@arvidhansson wrote:
  > >
  > > > [...] is it just me or is the transparent icon more like grey?
  > >
  > >
  > > It's not just you, but that's how partly transparent black on a white 
background is supposed to look.
  >
  >
  > Okay, I get it, what should we do now?
  
  
  We only make `input-numlock-on`, no off version

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[Arvid Hansson]

arvidhansson added a comment.


  In D19952#437726 , @ndavis wrote:
  
  > In D19952#437670 , @arvidhansson 
wrote:
  >
  > > In D19952#437419 , @ndavis 
wrote:
  > >
  > > > This can be done in the system tray widget instead of making a separate 
icon for off. Ever notice how the notifications icon is grey when it's not 
active?
  > >
  > >
  > > Sorry, I don't understand, never had noticed anything special with the 
notifications.
  >
  >
  > Top icon is for notifications (partly transparent), bottom icon is for 
Redshift (100% opacity)
  >  F6718240: Screenshot_20190324_184101.png 

  >
  > In D19952#437664 , @arvidhansson 
wrote:
  >
  > > [...] is it just me or is the transparent icon more like grey?
  >
  >
  > It's not just you, but that's how partly transparent black on a white 
background is supposed to look.
  
  
  Okay, I get it, what should we do now?

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[Noah Davis]

ndavis added a comment.


  In D19952#437670 , @arvidhansson 
wrote:
  
  > In D19952#437419 , @ndavis wrote:
  >
  > > This can be done in the system tray widget instead of making a separate 
icon for off. Ever notice how the notifications icon is grey when it's not 
active?
  >
  >
  > Sorry, I don't understand, never had noticed anything special with the 
notifications.
  
  
  Top icon is for notifications (partly transparent), bottom icon is for 
Redshift (100% opacity)
  F6718240: Screenshot_20190324_184101.png 

  
  In D19952#437664 , @arvidhansson 
wrote:
  
  > [...] is it just me or is the transparent icon more like grey?
  
  
  It's not just you, but that's how partly transparent black on a white 
background is supposed to look.

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[Arvid Hansson]

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  In D19952#437419 , @ndavis wrote:
  
  > In D19952#436853 , @arvidhansson 
wrote:
  >
  > > In D19952#436834 , @taskf 
wrote:
  > >
  > > > There is one issue I'm not sure about. The user might feel pressured to 
check something if the symbol is stroked as it fells like "something is wrong". 
In that case I would suggest just using the ON version and make it 50% 
transparent in OFF mode.
  > >
  > >
  > > I agree, it isn't  even an caps-lock-off key. A 50% tranparent icon would 
fit better
  >
  >
  > This can be done in the system tray widget instead of making a separate 
icon for off. Ever notice how the notifications icon is grey when it's not 
active?
  
  
  Sorry, I don't understand, never had noticed anything special with the 
notifications.

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[Arvid Hansson]

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  In D19952#436919 , @taskf wrote:
  
  > Hmm, still I somehow like the stroked version, while I wouldn't recommend 
using it this particular case. Even the transparent version can easily be 
controlled the `disabled` state of this icon object. Currently, I think it 
would be good to add both icons to Breeze iconset, just in case there is 
another use case for it some day. I added all the other mockups I did just to 
let you know.
  >  F6716206: image.png 
  
  
  Yes, both icon may be the best alternative, is it just me or is the 
transparent icon more like grey?

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[Noah Davis]

ndavis added a comment.


  In D19952#436853 , @arvidhansson 
wrote:
  
  > In D19952#436834 , @taskf wrote:
  >
  > > There is one issue I'm not sure about. The user might feel pressured to 
check something if the symbol is stroked as it fells like "something is wrong". 
In that case I would suggest just using the ON version and make it 50% 
transparent in OFF mode.
  >
  >
  > I agree, it isn't  even an caps-lock-off key. A 50% tranparent icon would 
fit better
  
  
  This can be done in the system tray widget instead of making a separate icon 
for off.

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[Nathaniel Graham]

ngraham added a comment.


  In D19952#436919 , @taskf wrote:
  
  > Hmm, still I somehow like the stroked version, while I wouldn't recommend 
using it this particular case. Even the transparent version can easily be 
controlled the `disabled` state of this icon object. Currently, I think it 
would be good to add both icons to Breeze iconset, just in case there is 
another use case for it some day. I added all the other mockups I did just to 
let you know.
  >  F6716206: image.png 
  
  
  Try to follow the Breeze icon style as much as possible. These locks look 
distinctly different from other Breeze lock icons, and the colors and shapes 
are different too. The goal is to blend in with other Breeze-style icons, not 
to stand.

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[t-ask]

taskf added a comment.


  Hmm, still I somehow like the stroked version, while I wouldn't recommend 
using it this particular case. Even the transparent version can easily be 
controlled the `disabled` state of this icon object. Currently, I think it 
would be good to add both icons to Breeze iconset, just in case there is 
another use case for it some day. I added all the other mockups I did just to 
let you know.
  F6716206: image.png 

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[Arvid Hansson]

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  In D19952#436834 , @taskf wrote:
  
  > There is one issue I'm not sure about. The user might feel pressured to 
check something if the symbol is stroked as it fells like "something is wrong". 
In that case I would suggest just using the ON version and make it 50% 
transparent in OFF mode.
  
  
  I agree, it isn't  even an caps-lock-off key.

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[t-ask]

taskf added a comment.


  There is one issue I'm not sure about. The user might feel pressured to check 
something if the symbol is stroked as it fells like "something is wrong". In 
that case I would suggest just using the ON version and make it 50% transparent 
in OFF mode.

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[t-ask]

taskf added a comment.


  Here is another try with rounded corners to mimik a keyboard key. To me the 
stroke is not that a of problem if it goes the other direction, as it feels 
more natural. Right handed people would probably stroke something that way than 
it is done with traffic signs or is it something else I need to consider?
  F6715635: image.png 

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[Noah Davis]

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  Here's my attempt: F6711669: montage-breeze-Background.png 

  
  F6711673: input-numlock-on.16.svg 
  
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[t-ask]

taskf added a comment.


  In D19952#436429 , @arvidhansson 
wrote:
  
  > Nice! This icons are really good!
  
  
  Thanks.
  
  > Well, I think you (Taskf) know what to do, just tell us if you need a hand.
  
  Well, first I need an info which version you prefer, then I would polish them 
and make Breeze/dark versions in 16px and 22px if I'm not mistaken.
  
  Afterwards, I'm not sure what to do. I guess, commit them via git. I will ask 
in #kde-vdg then, ok?

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[Arvid Hansson]

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  In D19952#436427 , @ndavis wrote:
  
  > In D19952#436425 , @taskf wrote:
  >
  > > Hi, I created some icons a week ago, just didn't post them as 
@arvidhansson was already on the task.
  > >
  > > They are not polished as you can see from the screenshot. The left 
version symbolizes a lock, while the right one, which I like more, symbolizes a 
keyboard key.
  > >
  > > F6711403: Screenshot_20190322_211216.png 

  >
  
  
  Nice! This icons are really good!
  
  > I like the one on the right more. Our locks don't look like the once on the 
left.
  > 
  > Normally, our strikethroughs (the red diagonal line) go from the top left 
to the bottom right, similar to the No symbol 
.
  
  Well, I think you (Taskf) know what to do, just tell us if you need a hand.

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  Yes, the cross is a bit twisted as with a 45° angle it crosses right through 
the '1' and makes it not that readable.
  F6711431: image.png 

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[Noah Davis]

ndavis added a comment.


  In D19952#436425 , @taskf wrote:
  
  > Hi, I created some icons a week ago, just didn't post them as @arvidhansson 
was already on the task.
  >
  > They are not polished as you can see from the screenshot. The left version 
symbolizes a lock, while the right one, which I like more, symbolizes a 
keyboard key.
  >
  > F6711403: Screenshot_20190322_211216.png 

  
  
  I like the one on the right more. Our locks don't look like the once on the 
left.
  
  Normally, our strikethroughs (the red diagonal line) go from the top left to 
the bottom right, similar to the No symbol 
.

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[t-ask]

taskf added a comment.


  Hi, I created some icons a week ago, just didn't post them as @arvidhansson 
was already on the task.
  
  They are not polished as you can see from the screenshot. The left version 
symbolizes a lock, while the right one, which I like more, symbolizes a 
keyboard key.
  
  F6711403: Screenshot_20190322_211216.png 


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[Noah Davis]

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  You need to make the icons on 16x16px and 22x22px canvases. If you use a grid 
with 1 line every pixel, it will be easier to make icons look sharp.

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[Arvid Hansson]

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  In D19952#435940 , @ndavis wrote:
  
  > That "1" is too blurry. Did you use the font tool or did you draw it with 
the pen or rectangle tools?
  
  
  I used the font tool in Inkscape and pasted the 1 in the input-caps-on.svg I 
found in my local directory. Then I used the "export to PNG" option and 
attached the PNG to the summary. The SVG isn't blurry if you open it in 
Inkscape.
  
  > Since this is "numlock" Wouldn't it make more sense to put a "1" inside of 
a lock or next to a lock?
  
  That's true! I will see what I can do tomorrow.

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  That "1" is too blurry. Did you use the font tool or did you draw it with the 
pen or rectangle tools?
  
  Since this is "numlock" Wouldn't it make more sense to put a "1" inside of a 
lock?

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